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Wheat and receiving communion at church?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created January 23, 2012 at 12:55 PM

Are there any religious paleos out there? If so, do you receive communion? Werid thought that crossed my mind this am while reading wheat belly, by William Davis. because I haven't taken communion since I became paleo. I am a non practicing roman catholic but do go to Church on occasion.

Really people, read the question. it's not about religion. Its about eating the gluten product in your respective area of worship. I'm not dogging any religion, just wanted some insite to what other people do when it comes to communion. A since - no i don't or yes I do would do the trick.

Thank you so much to those that answered the question!!!! I"ll take it for what it's worth. I'm sure other people were thinking the same thing. I never really thought about it till I started reading this book for some reason.

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on July 26, 2013
at 11:32 PM

"I quickly reminded myself that Christianity is my religion and Paleo is what I do with food. Not the other way round." Bingo. As I said in another context, stress is the great anti-nutrient. The nutritional content of a communion wafer or small hunk of bread (what we do at my Church) is negligible. Stressing over your faith over that negligible nutritional issue is worse for you than the gluten/carbs/etc.

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on January 22, 2013
at 02:05 PM

Fictional characters can be fed anything you like, so if you want him to be grass-fed, go for it. Personally, I'd prefer a dilithium crystal-fed, warp drive Jesus.

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on January 22, 2013
at 12:50 PM

If you were born in Delhi, you'd be worried about eating beef, don't you find that at all strange?

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on January 22, 2013
at 11:43 AM

What do you have to worry about? It's no longer bread, it's the body of Christ. Last time I checked, the body of Christ was wheat-free.

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on October 23, 2012
at 12:37 AM

Kelly--right! --gluten free options to receiving bread are not an option, but low gluten is an option. Caveman formally known as Dan explains that Canon Law requires wheat (gluten) in communion host. As wildwabbit says,the other choice would be receiving the wine if you are wheat sensitive.

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on June 04, 2012
at 02:29 PM

Thank you for your response. It was insightful. Exactly how I viewed it this weekend when they served communion at church.

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on January 25, 2012
at 12:56 PM

Kelly - wrong, gluten free options ARE available, but arrangements have to be made with a particular parish to have it available, or to bypass the bread and take the wine instead.

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on January 25, 2012
at 04:31 AM

Ouch! I certainly am not cynical about religion! I'm sad to have left this impression. Shame on me for not anticipating this response and being more careful in choosing my words.

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on January 25, 2012
at 02:39 AM

@gagnon-being cynical about religion-especially Catholic- is so 1970 or 1993. get over it, it's just plain cheesy.

A7768b6c6be7f5d6acc76e5efa66464c

on January 25, 2012
at 02:34 AM

Fair enough wildwabbit, I have revised my response to remove the suggestion that I had an opinion about the Catholic Church.

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on January 25, 2012
at 02:14 AM

Cannon law requires the host be made of wheat and water.

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on January 25, 2012
at 12:34 AM

It would be nice if you kept your opinion about the Church out of this since religion is not supposed to be discussed. "Catholic Church still has a way to go on this." ???

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on January 24, 2012
at 10:20 PM

Depending on the type of church you are going to, maybe it doesn't bother you because it's been transubstantiated into something else :)

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on January 24, 2012
at 03:42 PM

Great answer, thank you.

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on January 24, 2012
at 12:51 PM

And I don't doubt that Nikki. I'm not saying that people who are incredible allergic and sensitive to just take their communion wafer. But reality is most people are not highly sensitive to wheat. A few milligrams of gluten in a tiny communion wafer will have zero effect in the majority of paleo folks. That's the whole point of my post, brainless paleo is the problem, not gluten!

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on January 24, 2012
at 05:43 AM

Traditional passover bread, Matzo has quite a bit of gluten (unless it's made from gluten-free oats, which is rare and hard to come by). It's just water and flour and a little salt.

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on January 24, 2012
at 04:26 AM

Matt-For some people, it has nothing to do with being mindless paleo devotees. Some people will genuinely get sick and disrupt gastrointestinal healing by any gluten dose at all. Please keep in mind that some people NEED to avoid gluten at ALL times... not just because they are paleo, but because it could potentially cause stomach and intestinal cancers as well as chronic inflammation that makes day-to-day life pretty unpleasant.

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on January 23, 2012
at 11:29 PM

Also the wheat would have been einkorn or emmer, certainly not the midget frakenstein's monster stuff.

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on January 23, 2012
at 06:39 PM

As wheat tends to increase my appetite, I would just be afraid of not being able to control myself. I'd take that box of hosties and eat it in front of everyone. Then run home and eat lots of pizza, since I hate doing things half-assed.

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on January 23, 2012
at 06:29 PM

Hi everyone, we have a policy about discussing religion on PH: we don't do it. So we have to keep the discussion here about gluten and not general theological issues, otherwise the question will have to be closed.

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on January 23, 2012
at 05:03 PM

Agreed. But I just have to *facepalm* when folks worry about minute amounts of of gluten that may be found in a communion wafer! Are paleo folks so mindless as to not consider that the dose makes the poison? Well, that's my refrain on PH more often than not. So I guess I answered my question.

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on January 23, 2012
at 04:35 PM

The Catholic church has no intention of offering gluten-free options for communion.

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on January 23, 2012
at 04:08 PM

Some might say it already is....what with all the infighting between the "gods" it is a little Roman or Greek though. But then I suppose Zeus' father did eat his children (allegedly) - that's pretty extreme Paleo to get some decent protein!!!

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on January 23, 2012
at 04:05 PM

Ooh..now I'm in a sect. What does that make me...An insect? Have to be careful no extreme Paleos try to eat me...Seriously though, try to watch the inflammatory language on here please.

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on January 23, 2012
at 03:18 PM

Point taken, Dave. But I think mine still stands.

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on January 23, 2012
at 03:01 PM

Perhaps. But there are other sects that take regaular communion. Lutherans, Anglicans, etc.

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on January 23, 2012
at 02:54 PM

Mindlessly adhering to religious dogma is not cool either. ;)

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on January 23, 2012
at 02:44 PM

Mash - I am with you on returning to the sort of bread that the early Christians would have eaten, very different from the plastic mass produced sacks of air that masquerade today! I used to be at a church where one of the ladies would sometimes make her own bread rolls from sourdough that she had going for years...was somewhat closer to the "real" thing. But as I said in my answer, the piece of bread is so small that it can't be an issue for any but the most intolerant.

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on January 23, 2012
at 02:42 PM

Gluten free is not always so straightforward. I am in a small free church where we have about 20 members who take communion (once a month). One small square of gluten free for the 1 person who is intolerant of it was considered by many to be a little over the top. But fortunately, we did it anyway to give everyone the choice.

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on January 23, 2012
at 01:42 PM

yes eating bread

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on January 23, 2012
at 01:37 PM

I think it's the thought and the intention that counts. Unless you take it literally, and then gluten wouldn't be an issue...

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on January 23, 2012
at 01:32 PM

I've thought about this too. I like going to the church (it's so relaxing), but I don't want to eat bread or drink wine :D.

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6cdc6b1e75690cfcc4804a6c9eaa910a

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on January 23, 2012
at 01:58 PM

Yes there are religious Paleos out there and I am one of them. Yes I do take communion. Last Sunday I have to admit, for the first time, I thought to myself that this was a piece of bread coming my way on the tray and did I really want to eat it? I quickly reminded myself that Christianity is my religion and Paleo is what I do with food. Not the other way round. The piece of bread is tiny so I took it, ate it, suffered no ill dietary consequences from it, and fully set my mind to the meaning of the communion not the fact I had just eaten a small piece of bread.

My church normally provide gluten free bread for the insensitive/intolerant. Of course I mean GLUTEN insensitive/intolerant - there would never be anyone generally insensitive or intolerant found in MY church :-)

There is a whole other can of worms of questions out there on Paleo and religion though...

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on January 24, 2012
at 03:42 PM

Great answer, thank you.

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on June 04, 2012
at 02:29 PM

Thank you for your response. It was insightful. Exactly how I viewed it this weekend when they served communion at church.

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on July 26, 2013
at 11:32 PM

"I quickly reminded myself that Christianity is my religion and Paleo is what I do with food. Not the other way round." Bingo. As I said in another context, stress is the great anti-nutrient. The nutritional content of a communion wafer or small hunk of bread (what we do at my Church) is negligible. Stressing over your faith over that negligible nutritional issue is worse for you than the gluten/carbs/etc.

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on January 23, 2012
at 01:16 PM

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on January 25, 2012
at 04:31 AM

Ouch! I certainly am not cynical about religion! I'm sad to have left this impression. Shame on me for not anticipating this response and being more careful in choosing my words.

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on January 25, 2012
at 02:34 AM

Fair enough wildwabbit, I have revised my response to remove the suggestion that I had an opinion about the Catholic Church.

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on January 25, 2012
at 02:39 AM

@gagnon-being cynical about religion-especially Catholic- is so 1970 or 1993. get over it, it's just plain cheesy.

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on January 25, 2012
at 12:34 AM

It would be nice if you kept your opinion about the Church out of this since religion is not supposed to be discussed. "Catholic Church still has a way to go on this." ???

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on January 24, 2012
at 10:20 PM

I know a lot of celiacs who aren't paleo and some have told me that they just discuss it with their local priest. For some types of Christianity they have to just not have the bread (like Orthodoxy), but some Catholic churches now offer gluten-free host. Protestants are particularly lax about this since most don't believe in transubstantiation, so I've heard of people being allowed to use rice crackers.

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on January 23, 2012
at 02:20 PM

Not just Paleos are gluten intolerant and some people get very sick from just a small taste. Maybe the Catholic Church should just completely switch to gluten-free to eliminate the issue. After all today's wheat is not the same as ancient wheat.

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Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

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on January 23, 2012
at 01:04 PM

Why is it weird, do you mean in terms of eating bread?

Edit: Well there are certain things one could think about.

  • The type of bread used for the Jewish Passover. Communion comes from the last Passover meal Jesus had with his disciples and they would have certainly kept the Jewish custom of having unleavend bread (no yeast). It would be interesting to look at traditional unleaved bread composition.

  • From a theological point of view, if one is asking how God could prescribe the use of an apparently damaging ingredient, one would have to ask why we get sick, die or even get eaten by animals in the first place if God is sovereign over the entire creation and ongoing process of the natural world. But this would be answered when one looks at the Biblical record, that before the universe existed the plan for the substitutional sacrifice of Jesus on the cross for the world so that he would bring them to God existed; it has always existed. Thus God ordained, planned and allowed the greatest harm so that ultimately we would receive the greatest life.

6cdc6b1e75690cfcc4804a6c9eaa910a

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on January 23, 2012
at 02:44 PM

Mash - I am with you on returning to the sort of bread that the early Christians would have eaten, very different from the plastic mass produced sacks of air that masquerade today! I used to be at a church where one of the ladies would sometimes make her own bread rolls from sourdough that she had going for years...was somewhat closer to the "real" thing. But as I said in my answer, the piece of bread is so small that it can't be an issue for any but the most intolerant.

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on January 23, 2012
at 11:29 PM

Also the wheat would have been einkorn or emmer, certainly not the midget frakenstein's monster stuff.

41e79168f1df5d656b6c4f3fef8c9b46

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on January 23, 2012
at 01:42 PM

yes eating bread

F15e0bae42dbf0b8cfc71e62902497b4

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on January 24, 2012
at 05:43 AM

Traditional passover bread, Matzo has quite a bit of gluten (unless it's made from gluten-free oats, which is rare and hard to come by). It's just water and flour and a little salt.

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3b0b95dfc6dc5c18e535945f4aab0866

on January 25, 2012
at 12:17 AM

I discussed this with my pastor (Catholic) just last week.

The Catholic church has capability to provide gluten-free hosts for communion. Of course make sure to talk to your pastor if you are Catholic, and gluten free, so that this can be arranged. Also it is usually possible to taking just the wine as that is equally "communion" as the bread.

I won't get into the religious aspect of communion in the church as thats not what this topic is about :)

I will say, since I am not obviously to myself gluten intolerant much less celiac, I do take communion, and that is the only wheat I willingly consume. I do realize that I am lucky, there are people who can't handle so much as a dusting of gluten

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on January 23, 2012
at 03:10 PM

I am religious, but we regard all outward sacraments as unnecessary so the problem never comes up. We do have plenty of gluten-intolerant attenders, so any causal get-togethers are usually mostly gluten-free.

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on January 23, 2012
at 02:34 PM

The church I attend has gluten free wafers available. There is one celiac boy of about 10 or 11, but it is offered to everyone. I tend to eat the wheat bread, though I am considering changing. But then again I still drink beer so what does that say? :-)

But I can't imagine a church that would not offer gluten free communion if asked.

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on January 23, 2012
at 02:42 PM

Gluten free is not always so straightforward. I am in a small free church where we have about 20 members who take communion (once a month). One small square of gluten free for the 1 person who is intolerant of it was considered by many to be a little over the top. But fortunately, we did it anyway to give everyone the choice.

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on January 25, 2012
at 02:14 AM

Cannon law requires the host be made of wheat and water.

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on January 23, 2012
at 04:35 PM

The Catholic church has no intention of offering gluten-free options for communion.

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on January 25, 2012
at 12:56 PM

Kelly - wrong, gluten free options ARE available, but arrangements have to be made with a particular parish to have it available, or to bypass the bread and take the wine instead.

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on October 23, 2012
at 12:37 AM

Kelly--right! --gluten free options to receiving bread are not an option, but low gluten is an option. Caveman formally known as Dan explains that Canon Law requires wheat (gluten) in communion host. As wildwabbit says,the other choice would be receiving the wine if you are wheat sensitive.

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on January 23, 2012
at 02:19 PM

Shouldn't this question read 'Christian paleo' or 'Catholic paleo'? Because there are many religions out there that have absolutely nothing to do with Catholicism or Christianity or Judaism or wheat wafers.

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on January 23, 2012
at 03:01 PM

Perhaps. But there are other sects that take regaular communion. Lutherans, Anglicans, etc.

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on January 23, 2012
at 04:05 PM

Ooh..now I'm in a sect. What does that make me...An insect? Have to be careful no extreme Paleos try to eat me...Seriously though, try to watch the inflammatory language on here please.

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on January 23, 2012
at 03:18 PM

Point taken, Dave. But I think mine still stands.

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on January 23, 2012
at 02:06 PM

Mindlessly adhering to paleo dogma is not cool.

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on January 23, 2012
at 05:03 PM

Agreed. But I just have to *facepalm* when folks worry about minute amounts of of gluten that may be found in a communion wafer! Are paleo folks so mindless as to not consider that the dose makes the poison? Well, that's my refrain on PH more often than not. So I guess I answered my question.

Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

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on January 23, 2012
at 02:54 PM

Mindlessly adhering to religious dogma is not cool either. ;)

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on January 24, 2012
at 04:26 AM

Matt-For some people, it has nothing to do with being mindless paleo devotees. Some people will genuinely get sick and disrupt gastrointestinal healing by any gluten dose at all. Please keep in mind that some people NEED to avoid gluten at ALL times... not just because they are paleo, but because it could potentially cause stomach and intestinal cancers as well as chronic inflammation that makes day-to-day life pretty unpleasant.

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on January 24, 2012
at 12:51 PM

And I don't doubt that Nikki. I'm not saying that people who are incredible allergic and sensitive to just take their communion wafer. But reality is most people are not highly sensitive to wheat. A few milligrams of gluten in a tiny communion wafer will have zero effect in the majority of paleo folks. That's the whole point of my post, brainless paleo is the problem, not gluten!

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on January 23, 2012
at 02:00 PM

I attend church regularly and I do take communion (once a month), which is the ONLY wheat I have had in over a year, but I am not gluten intolerant. I think gluten intolerant people are in a different boat than I am.

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on July 26, 2013
at 10:38 PM

There are two options for the super-cautious: 1. receive Communion in the form of the Precious Blood only, which is sufficient for the Sacrament. -- if you are super-duper-cautious, you can talk to the Priest before-hand and ask that he consecrate a separate chalice without the particle of the Precious Body that normally is put into the Precious Blood. -- note: for parishes where Communion is received only under one species (the Precious Body), you may have to ask the Priest for special permission to receive Communion under the other species... hopefully the Priest is friendly to the idea.

  1. request the low-gluten hosts at your parish. Most Archdioceses/Dioceses are okay with this, and often there is an altar-server standing-by with a separate ciborium or pyx with the low-gluten hosts ready to be called-over. -- the amount of gluten is nominal, and there are Celiac Sprue societies that have even signed-off on the consumption of this amount... ref. link text

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Note: Catholics, as told in the precepts of the Church, are only obligated to receive Communion once a year, during the Easter season (when one attend Mass, one is not obligated to always receive Communion), ref. link text

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For those angry about or wondering why the Church limits the bread to wheat bread, I really recommend this article: "Why Wheat Bread?" (David P. Lang, Catholic Answers)

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on January 24, 2012
at 11:52 PM

This is an easy one: the communion wafer becomes the flesh of Christ, the consumption of flesh is completely Paleo. Eat up! God Bless!

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on January 22, 2013
at 11:45 AM

Was Christ grass-fed?

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on January 22, 2013
at 02:05 PM

Fictional characters can be fed anything you like, so if you want him to be grass-fed, go for it. Personally, I'd prefer a dilithium crystal-fed, warp drive Jesus.

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on January 22, 2013
at 11:26 AM

I have though of same issue. I do take bread for communion every Sunday as a catholic. Ive accepted myself as a catholic caveman. quite nice really.

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on January 25, 2012
at 05:06 AM

I am solidly Catholic but I find the whole argument from the church on this ridiculous. The argument among the archdiocese papers and commentary center around the gluten content. Some bishops/priests claim that if no gluten is present then the bread does not transubstantiate and remains matter...leading to idolatry by the innocents. (That's us.) There is an order of nuns who makes the low-gluten wafers at our church. In any case, it is impossible to mimic the symbolism anyway since as we know from Wheat Belly, wheat has been altered to the dwarf variety and not traditional wheat from biblical times. Low-gluten bread

And here are nuns who brew beer

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on January 25, 2012
at 03:01 AM

If I were celiac or was extremely bothered by any amount of gluten, I might consider opting out or finding another alternative. However, small amounts of gluten do not make me feel immediately terrible, as such I don't even consider it when taking communion. What the act itself represents means far more to me than dietary preferences.

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on January 24, 2012
at 11:36 PM

At our Presbyterian church, I think a more gluten sensitive member of the congregation approached the elders about going gluten free before I got a chance to approach them about it. The change was made, and we now take what I believe to be a rice flour-based bread.

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on January 24, 2012
at 07:03 PM

My church offers alcohol free wine and gluten free bread for communion. Can you ask the admin at your church to provide this as well?

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on January 23, 2012
at 03:31 PM

I thought you were asking if there is anyone who is religious about Paleo. Woo how long has it been since I thought about religion?! I think it is a personal decision, when I go to church or if I do, I used to take communion but never drink wine (I don't like sharing the cup with all the other peeps). Personally, if I believed I could worship God without eating bread I would not eat it, but if bread wasn't a problem for me (health wise) and I truly believed I needed to consume it as part of communion for religious adherence, I would eat the bread, I would eat the bread!!!! But I could also be up to starting a Paleo religion, sorry if sounding blasphemous. I'm a bit of a Paleo fanatic.

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on January 23, 2012
at 04:08 PM

Some might say it already is....what with all the infighting between the "gods" it is a little Roman or Greek though. But then I suppose Zeus' father did eat his children (allegedly) - that's pretty extreme Paleo to get some decent protein!!!

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on January 23, 2012
at 03:28 PM

I have not found it to cause a reaction, and now, after a few years of paleo, I do rather easily get reactions from wheat. Some people like to put breadcrumbs in their hamburgers, for instance, and I definitely get a reaction from stuff like that, but not from communion.

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on January 24, 2012
at 10:20 PM

Depending on the type of church you are going to, maybe it doesn't bother you because it's been transubstantiated into something else :)

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