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What is your single greatest piece of Paleo advice?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created November 12, 2011 at 2:48 AM

It's pretty hard to navigate the heaps of information online. Every argument for a specific facet to health is opposed by a seemingly viable counter-argument. Ultimately, experience is the only way we can learn, and so I ask:

What is the single most valuable lesson you learned in your pursuit of optimal health?

F5a8a14fc6a4d33c2563d0dd3066698a

(714)

on May 29, 2012
at 09:58 PM

"Think for yourself." Exactly. Exercising the muscle in our skulls is a big part of being healthy, too.

A08b210e4da7e69cd792bddc1f4aae4b

(1031)

on May 06, 2012
at 12:50 AM

Indeed, that is an on-going voyage of discovery rather than a final, definitive endpoint that so many wish/hope to believe; hence why we have active forums such as PH. The best we can do is build a body of knowledge on well-founded rational principles, supported by sound evidence (not dogma) and continuously refined and challenged.

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

(6097)

on May 05, 2012
at 04:47 PM

The question is: what are we intended to eat?

74ef42f84872a68af5a652d0ebcfb94c

(0)

on December 20, 2011
at 12:44 AM

going from 40% to 30%... you still fat. going from 12% to 10%, now we're talking model status.

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

(6097)

on November 15, 2011
at 03:18 PM

Sure, but Travis surprisingly misses one key issue: that a state of obesity and metabolic derangement is a whole new environment to work with. You can't necessarily apply advice that works for lean people, and it would be naive to assume you could (without having first-hand experience in both of these states.)

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(8239)

on November 15, 2011
at 04:52 AM

Travis makes a succinct, unambiguous, opening statement. The rest? Responses to same. Rhetorically alone, all points to Travis. Facts? These may be widely distributed throughout the ensuing discourse. Whatever you've tried, whatever you've succeeded with or failed at, and I don't care for how long you've tried: if you are fatter than I want to be, don't tell me how to get lean.

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(8239)

on November 15, 2011
at 04:49 AM

Travis makes a succinct, unamibiguous opening statement. The rest? Responses to same. Rhetorically alone, all points to Travis. Facts? These may be widely distributed throughout the ensuing discourse. Whatever you've tried, whatever you've succeeded with or failed at, and I don't care for how long: if you are fatter than me, don't tell me how to lean out.

Cc7381bd787721575ea9198048132adb

(5541)

on November 15, 2011
at 02:40 AM

This entire exchange can be summed up as "Everyone's different, see what works for you." Lots of +1's Rose.

4fca5e11d50731edbf4cf2ec38691aa3

(961)

on November 15, 2011
at 02:31 AM

No grain, no sugar, and the only fruit I eat is berries...1/4 cup if I eat them... some day when I reach my goal weight..I will play with a little more fruit in season as long as my blood sugar does not go up, or just add more vegetables.

4fca5e11d50731edbf4cf2ec38691aa3

(961)

on November 15, 2011
at 02:28 AM

Yes..I like this...

4fca5e11d50731edbf4cf2ec38691aa3

(961)

on November 15, 2011
at 02:27 AM

I stay at 20. I am so insulin resistant that I do not eat carbs on purpose, Most of what I eat are by accident..I do eat raw spinach on purpose though.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on November 15, 2011
at 01:42 AM

Rose and Ambimorph you have my admiration. Plus one.

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19235)

on November 14, 2011
at 05:06 PM

Fair enough :)

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on November 14, 2011
at 04:28 PM

Matthew - I didn't want to get into a debate about cognitive processes and the like so I just conceded the point

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19235)

on November 14, 2011
at 04:23 PM

In fact many actions precede any thought, this explains much of human decision making...

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on November 14, 2011
at 01:03 PM

Yes Quilt, thought precedes action.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on November 14, 2011
at 01:02 PM

Yes Quilt. Thought precedes action. I don't need a minute to ponder that

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on November 14, 2011
at 12:58 PM

@Quilt - yes I agree thought precedes action. By definition to be in the Paleo paradigm, we have changed our way of thinking. The question asked was amongst the various Paleo thoughts, what is essential. This is what I've answered.

218f4d92627e4289cc81178fce5b4d00

on November 14, 2011
at 09:24 AM

MEAT. MOTION. All the REST ...........actually kind of like my handle...... :-)

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

(6097)

on November 13, 2011
at 05:07 PM

^ But I dont want to kill the craving. I want to flesh it out and fully enjoy my filthy urge.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on November 13, 2011
at 04:44 PM

Aravind to come to this conclusion would you first not have to change the manner in which you thought? I would ask you to ponder that for a minute. Every action we complete begins with a thought.

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

(6097)

on November 13, 2011
at 04:44 AM

I strongly disagree. I think most conventional advice is actually right (protein is good, fruit and vegetables are good, sugar is bad, etc.) Any sort of information that is propagated to the point of being considered "conventional advice" has to be somewhat rooted in reality.

Cc7381bd787721575ea9198048132adb

(5541)

on November 13, 2011
at 04:02 AM

Dr. Kurt Harris is the man. Plus uno.

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(39831)

on November 12, 2011
at 11:01 PM

Yeah I'm not saying any of you should do this, I just want to know if you have and it has failed. Regarding body temperature, I was often around 96.* throughout the day, so if you have a thermometer handy....

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on November 12, 2011
at 10:58 PM

LOL. I knew that was coming. Honestly, I think it's an interesting thought, and if I were looking to be cut (I could still lose another 10 pounds, although my husband, bless him, begs me not to) I could try it. But right now I'm in the "it ain't broke so don't fix it" camp. Going low-fat sounds like a high price to pay for a -- forgive me -- damn yam. But I support the experiment -- on other people. ;D

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(39831)

on November 12, 2011
at 10:47 PM

OK so both times it was pretty high fat when you introduced yams, right? Have you tried just eating a lot of lean meat and yams since going paleo? I guess that would still have the mitochondrial deficit issue in play. I suppose you need to be paleo in all aspects minus fat to make what I'm talking about work.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on November 12, 2011
at 10:41 PM

The potato/yam experiments, though, were after going VLC. The first time I was trying Kwasniewski's Optimal Diet to break a stall at 190, going from 20g to 60g of carbs. I was eating clean-ish, high-fat VLC, and gained 17 lbs in 7 weeks. Second time was last Thanksgiving, when I was already quite Paleoish ZC, so the diet was pretty damn clean. This time the damage was limited to 14 lbs, but I cut it short, despite people saying it might be water weight. Didn't seem worth it to me just to eat a yam; they're not all that. To me, anyway, lol.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on November 12, 2011
at 10:38 PM

Nope; nutritionist was when I was working out like a fiend, in fact. Right at that time is when I found out about my birth mother (!), and that she had weighed over 300 at one time. This lit a big fire under my ass, and I was *frantic* to get down from the 200s, since I'd always known my future was in the 300s, but now I knew *why* I knew that (if that makes sense).

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(39831)

on November 12, 2011
at 10:28 PM

OK so were the yam experiments during periods of relative inactivity? How about the nutritionist's diet (which sounds clean enough, grain notwithstanding).

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on November 12, 2011
at 10:18 PM

BTW, the nutritionist's diet was all lean meat and organic whole grains. She was really big on that; I never bought so much from Trader Joe's, lol. Did I mention I was miserably hungry and crying? And didn't lose a single pound?

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on November 12, 2011
at 10:15 PM

If someone's an insulin-producing monster, then "safe starches," plain or not, or going to put BF on 'em. No mystery there; it's the same process that puts fat on previously skinny Type 1 diabetics when they inject insulin. I've tried adding "safe" plain potatoes/yams back twice since starting this journey in 2007, and each time the weight came roaring back. When I drop the starches, the weight drops. Insulin's currently undergoing an PR rehabilitation, but for those who can't eat carbs without putting on pounds, it proves its villainy to us over and over again.

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(39831)

on November 12, 2011
at 10:10 PM

Have you guys measured your body temperatures upon waking?

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(39831)

on November 12, 2011
at 10:08 PM

It seems to me that you have not yet tried specifically what I'm describing since what you've done before involved packaged foods and crap. I just can't see how paleo-ifying a standard cutting diet (most of which actually are consistent with paleo to begin with) is going to fail. If we're talking about unsustainability because it's boring or something that's one thing, but it should produce sufficient satiety and fat loss. If it outright fails, then I really don't understand why.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on November 12, 2011
at 10:04 PM

Wow; well, what can I say other than I believe you. I've heard from several people who didn't thrive on LC/VLC -- many on this site -- and who choose other options. For that matter, I've always got the option to re-try my 500 cal/day approach; it "worked," after all, but I ended up weak and sick. VLC/ZC doesn't seem to have that effect on me at all; in fact, I don't recall being sick in the last 2 years. So for me, the choice is obvious, even at the "cost" of colder hands, which I do have (but no other thyroidish symptoms). In my case, the health gains way outweigh that.

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(39831)

on November 12, 2011
at 10:02 PM

More to the point, I'm not an advocate of calorie counting and have probably counted my daily calories once in my life, and not because I am automatically lean. I simply don't understand how a high meat, low fat diet (with or without carbs) is going to fail. Does not compute.

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(39831)

on November 12, 2011
at 09:58 PM

I'm not disputing that low carb works, I'd be a damned fool if I did. I've tried it out and I got leaner, but my waking and intra-day body temperature was about 1.5 degrees cooler and that reverse fever resulted in viral infections both times after not too long. I never get sick otherwise. I can only conclude that it impairs thyroid function and that a 96 degree body temperature is unhealthy.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on November 12, 2011
at 09:57 PM

And while I'm ranting in the comments here (I apologize, but I seem to have lost my -ahem, again- *willpower*), I don't understand why individual variance in insulin secretion and sensitivity is held to discredit the insulin hypothesis. Is variance in height a "hole" in the theory that IGF-1 is involved in growth?

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on November 12, 2011
at 09:54 PM

Of course! And I also ate those things my first time on Atkins, too. I did the whole Frankenfood/Atkins bar shtick (shudder; yes). But here's the deal: I lost weight, even on FrankenAtkins. And my first time ZC I was still drinking diet soda and lost even more weight. I don't think these things are healthy, mind you, and I avoid them now, but they weren't what was keeping my weight up. For that, the best theory I've found that fits all my personal facts is the one that is currently enduring scorn among Paleos: Insulin. I think I'm an insulin hyper-secreter, as was my birth mother and her mom.

D31a2a2d43191b15ca4a1c7ec7d03038

(4134)

on November 12, 2011
at 09:54 PM

Oops, that should read "the work of many doctors...."

D31a2a2d43191b15ca4a1c7ec7d03038

(4134)

on November 12, 2011
at 09:53 PM

Rose, yes, it does seems that way. And that they work of many doctors is being ignored. Dr. Benjamin Sandler's research and work with patients showed that acute and chronic stress disrupts the body's ability to utilize carbohydrates, and that inability can be for a lifetime. Dr. Wolfgang Lutz found the same thing. Dr. Richard MacKarness, Dr. Alfred Pennington, Drs. Kekwick and Pawan, and Dr. Blake Donaldson, to name a few, worked with many thousands of people, who all had a metabolic inability to utilize certain particular foods, including carbohydrates.

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(39831)

on November 12, 2011
at 09:49 PM

Is it possible that during your low calorie phases that you were eating a lot of sugar substitutes like aspartame? Is it possible that you were eating packaged food that had weasel-y MSG ingredients like autolyzed yeast extract?

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on November 12, 2011
at 09:49 PM

Here's a thought: I didn't suddenly develop willpower, or even a newfound counting ability, in my forties. What changed wasn't my mind or personality or (ahem) recalcitrance, but rather I tried a new physiological approach -- cutting carbs, eventually to virtually zero -- and whaddyaknow, it worked.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on November 12, 2011
at 09:47 PM

I understand that LC is under attack as a paradigm, but I can't help but feel that in the new thinking's zeal to discredit Taubes and the CIH, we've lost ten years of progress and are now firmly re-entrenched in CICO and "those lazy fatties" all over again.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

(18696)

on November 12, 2011
at 09:45 PM

I'm sorry to have implied you were calling Rose a liar, Travis. It just seemed like a short leap from what you actually said, and I've heard it enough times to be over-sensitized.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on November 12, 2011
at 09:44 PM

Never tried any "fad" diets, including Atkins, until my 40s. Always worked out, belonged to a gym, etc. Strictly CW: Eat less, move more. Except I got fatter and fatter, only losing when doing my 500/cal diet every couple years -- but each time losing less and ending higher than the previous low. Very frustrating, not to mention dangerous and unsustainable. At age 40 tried Atkins for the 1st time and success! Except then my doctor told me I was killing myself, so I quit & got fatter than ever. That's when I saw the nutritionist and white-knuckled my way to failure.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

(18696)

on November 12, 2011
at 09:40 PM

Greater potential for adverse health outcomes? Oh, you mean like lowered triglycerides, lowered CVD risk, curing NAFLD, neuroprotection, the usual lower carb outcomes?

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on November 12, 2011
at 09:38 PM

I'll give you this, Travis -- you *are* genuinely interested, as I am, in what actually goes on. I don't think my story is that unusual, especially among middle-aged women (which the Stanford A-Z study mostly comprised, e.g.). And it's hard to pick up someone's full story from the bits and pieces scattered around a site like PH. I'll see if I can put together a FB page or something with my fuller tale, but briefly, I've been chubby since menarche at age 12. Tried cutting cals *numerous* times; had to get to starvation levels (500/day) to lose. Decades of failed attempts, including 2 with WW.

Cf4e7d927a48582cc22adbe59bfd0b2d

(753)

on November 12, 2011
at 09:35 PM

I was meaning something along the lines of viewing it as a sort of diet, the mindset where you're restricting and basically forcing yourself to do the "healthy" thing. You'll never truly enjoy that.

D31a2a2d43191b15ca4a1c7ec7d03038

(4134)

on November 12, 2011
at 09:29 PM

Ambimorph, that is an excellent point about the relative nature of what is viewed as being extreme. Thank you very much for posting that.

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(39831)

on November 12, 2011
at 09:29 PM

I'm not calling you a liar, I'd like to know what all actually failed. What amount of weight lifting/exercise and what amount of food coupled with a metabolic rate that is much higher than mine was unable to produce any results. As described, it doesn't make sense, so I would like to know the specifics. A throwaway "yeah, I tried that" doesn't say anything.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on November 12, 2011
at 09:23 PM

Just a little note: I understand that people underreport their caloric intake. I understand that I might have also done that, even keeping a log. But that underreporting happens no matter what the diet in question is, right? So if I'm underreporting on a low-fat diet, I should also be underreporting on a high-fat, low-carb diet. Unless, of course, the charge of underreporting calories only applies to diets the accuser happens to favor.

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(39831)

on November 12, 2011
at 09:15 PM

Carb-starving, when it actually works, creates the same deficit with a greater potential for adverse health outcomes. Eating a chicken breast while twiddling your thumbs is not the same as regenerating mitochondrial density while keeping fat intake to only an essential amount.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

(18696)

on November 12, 2011
at 08:53 PM

Travis, this is enlightening. It turns out you don't realize that fat people have tried that stupid advice and it doesn't work for them. You're one of the "fat people are lying (did you really keep a log)" crowd. Cutting calories and working out hard may work for the lean to get ultralean, but it absolutely doesn't work for the majority of obese. This is why the low carb realization is so very important.

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

(6097)

on November 12, 2011
at 07:46 PM

Incidentally, I actually didn't have any vegetation for a few months. Which is why I can comfortably say: it is important.

6714718e2245e5190017d643a7614157

on November 12, 2011
at 07:33 PM

Yes, empty calories are yummy, but eating a big spoon of butter can often kill those cravings for empty calories. ;-)

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(39831)

on November 12, 2011
at 07:26 PM

Aravind: It'd be like taking muscular hypertrophy advice from me. I know from reading a lot of studies roughly what the minimum amount of lifting it takes to fend off sarcopenia and continually get slightly stronger, but I'm *very* hesitant to offer lifting advice to people unless it's to convince them to do that bare minimum rather than nothing. I'm simply not qualified to tell someone how to gain muscle because I don't have a lot nor really any desire to gain much. If you want to get huge, ask a huge guy, if you want to get lean, ask a lean guy, provided that most variables line up.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on November 12, 2011
at 07:22 PM

Travis - I agree you should vet your sources. However, I do not think that you can disqualify or qualify someone simply based on their current weight vis-a-vis an ideal target. Unless I misunderstood, you seemed to suggest otherwise

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(10611)

on November 12, 2011
at 07:21 PM

Everyone has vegetation, but paleo is more opportunistic than that. I suppose someone could be a vegan paleo, but why?

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

(6097)

on November 12, 2011
at 07:18 PM

^ "Adipomancy." Travis wins.

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(10611)

on November 12, 2011
at 07:16 PM

Most people don't defy the law of averages. Believing that the sky is falling doesn't make it so. But those beliefs launch a LOT of bad science....fiction.

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(39831)

on November 12, 2011
at 07:16 PM

By what ungodly adipomancy does this occur? Did you happen to keep a food/workout log at the time?

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

(6097)

on November 12, 2011
at 07:15 PM

My experience tells me that having vegetation of some sort in your diet is equally important to meat and exercise.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on November 12, 2011
at 07:14 PM

Travis, that's exactly what I'm telling you. Yes.

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

(6097)

on November 12, 2011
at 07:13 PM

After decades of further advancements in our understanding of human biochemistry, our dietary recommendations for optimal health will likely converge at Sisson's "eat plants and animals."

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(39831)

on November 12, 2011
at 07:12 PM

Why the hell would you insist on making all the same mistakes as someone did instead of fast-forwarding to what actually worked and cutting out all of the delays, plateaus and bullshit?

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(39831)

on November 12, 2011
at 07:11 PM

Aravind: The truth that you should carefully vet your sources. Match them to your gender, your age, your goals, etc. etc. and ask them what the hell they did **for the last stretch** to actually achieve *your* goal and do that from the beginning.

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

(6097)

on November 12, 2011
at 07:11 PM

But empty calories taste so good

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(39831)

on November 12, 2011
at 07:09 PM

So you're telling me that going to the gym for an extended amount of time and eating one of the typical bodybuilder cutting diets (lean meats, plain starch) didn't result in a reduction in body fat but that eating a high fat diet while taking the occasional stroll did?

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(10611)

on November 12, 2011
at 07:08 PM

Gluten avoidance is an aftermarket accessory, like wearing a "kick me" sign.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on November 12, 2011
at 07:01 PM

I don't think all activity is worthless -- far from it. But crazy amounts of gym rattery didn't budge weight off me; it might have even helped to keep some on. Did it help with depression, and maybe even some more directly physical issues like bone strength? I'm sure it did. But lower my BF%? No evidence of that. And my normal BMI is currently maintained with no workouts at all, other than walking a dog. I don't think my story is misleading to fat people; rather the reverse. Cut the carbs -- drastically, if need be. That's the first step for those in the 40% BF camp. Get "cut" later.

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(10611)

on November 12, 2011
at 07:01 PM

I like stories about dogs. Eating shoes is paleo.

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(10611)

on November 12, 2011
at 06:59 PM

Perseverance. Good point.

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(10611)

on November 12, 2011
at 06:58 PM

Gluten avoidance is an aftermarket accessory, like wearing on a "kick me" sign.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on November 12, 2011
at 06:57 PM

What *truth* would that be? That you can't get advice from someone overweight on how to lose weight? And I didn't realize that disagreeing with you was tantamount to be recalcitrant.

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(39831)

on November 12, 2011
at 06:54 PM

The weight actually becomes an advantage from an efficiency standpoint since simply walking around is so much more strenuous.

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(10611)

on November 12, 2011
at 06:53 PM

My body told me it wanted to be fat. So I take its advice with a grain of salt and another helping of bacon.

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(39831)

on November 12, 2011
at 06:52 PM

Because that show's a crock of shit doesn't then mean that all activity is worthless. The amount of anaerobic activity needed in order to restore mitochondrial capacity in an obese person is miniscule compared to what those idiots make them do.

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(10611)

on November 12, 2011
at 06:51 PM

A piece of wood is empty calories. It's food if you can digest it. Our ancestors weren't picky eaters.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on November 12, 2011
at 06:48 PM

Sorry, Travis, but bullshit. Yes, you can work some poor fat person the way Gillian Michaels and her crew of sadists do on The Biggest Loser, but that's been shown -- over and over and over -- to be unsustainable.

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(39831)

on November 12, 2011
at 06:48 PM

They're the same mechanisms at work, only the room for error is far more narrow in the lean getting leaner than the obese getting less obese. As such, it will take far less time. Tell me about how adipocytes in the obese require bacon in order to shrink.

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(39831)

on November 12, 2011
at 06:45 PM

Aravind: Telling new users the truth is *far* more important than coddling the recalcitrant. I've made my choice.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on November 12, 2011
at 06:45 PM

And pardon me for pointing out the bleedin' obvious, but going from 12% to 10% is less important than going from 40% to 30%. It's an aesthetic choice, not a health-saving choice, whereas at a BF of 40%, we're talking about some potentially very serious health issues. At that point, you're going to want to do what has been demonstrated to actually work in other people that size, not waste precious time (that's what life is, folks -- time) screwing around with what works to microtune the BF% of the naturally lean.

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(39831)

on November 12, 2011
at 06:37 PM

Of course it will work, and a hell of a lot faster to boot. This is assuming the person hasn't totally nuked their oxidative capacity via near-comatose levels of activity.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on November 12, 2011
at 06:23 PM

My advice for the day - don't use a shovel to dig yourself out of a hole

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on November 12, 2011
at 06:18 PM

Ofercryinoutloud. Going from 12% to 10% is *different* than going from 40% to 30%. The advice that gets someone from ultralean to obsessivelean just isn't going to to work that well for someone who weighs 220+ pounds. Ask me how I know.

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(39831)

on November 12, 2011
at 06:14 PM

Because it is harder to go from 12% to 10% bodyfat than it is to go from 40% to 30%. Having been fat is an unimpressive credential.

2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

(4994)

on November 12, 2011
at 05:29 PM

Exactly that ;D

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on November 12, 2011
at 05:28 PM

That I agree with, Ambimorph. We are considered extreme by many for eating ancestral. It felt pretty extreme to me to give up doughnuts! :-))

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on November 12, 2011
at 05:25 PM

Personally, I will only visit an OB/GYN with a mangina. And *fantastic* makeup.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on November 12, 2011
at 05:13 PM

I totally agree Rose. I just didn't want to seem insensitive to individuals that might have life threatening illnesses (i.e. cancer). Searching for every last hack available is very different in that case.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on November 12, 2011
at 05:11 PM

I completely agree with this. Even your further clarification above, re "significant health issues," can often still be shoehorned into the Stop Injuring Yourself paradigm. Those of us with special health issues may just find that substances which are not toxic to those in the middle are toxic to us, is all.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

(18696)

on November 12, 2011
at 05:10 PM

Extreme is only defined in a relative way. Many would say that a diet without grains is extreme. If my diet is extreme to you, that doesn't make it extreme to me.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on November 12, 2011
at 05:10 PM

+1 Rose and Ambi. It is as absurd as saying that men can't be OB/GYNs because they don't have a mangina

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on November 12, 2011
at 05:08 PM

So fatties can't take advice from fatties, and the fatties don't want advice from the lifelong thin people. Rules out quite a few people then, don't you think?

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on November 12, 2011
at 05:08 PM

LOL -- we posted simultaneously!

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on November 12, 2011
at 05:08 PM

Don't take bodyfat reduction advice from people who have never been as fat as you've been.

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(18696)

on November 12, 2011
at 05:08 PM

How about don't take bodyfat reduction advice from someone who has never been fat?

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on November 12, 2011
at 05:05 PM

+1 for KISS approach

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on November 12, 2011
at 04:59 PM

Upvoted to try and give you some balance Paul.

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on November 12, 2011
at 04:59 PM

Why did everyone downvote this?? Beacuse it's an outside link? Clearly Paul did not write this editorial, and I doubt he works for the Atlanta Examiner, and whether or not the dude who wrote the article eats SAD or not, he gives some seriously good advice for those that hadn't already considered this line of thought!

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on November 12, 2011
at 04:54 PM

Oh, come on, Korion. Many people do their best to "eat healthy" as defined under SAD but they eat grains and sugar. They don't eat a lot of chips, etc., and they eat fruits and vegetables. They deserve the "moderate" label.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on November 12, 2011
at 04:43 PM

Let me translate for some of the others here - Kepp Relax. Enjoy your sucess. And the lovely time

Bdf98e5a57befa6f0877f978ba09871c

on November 12, 2011
at 04:36 PM

this is why sometimes I can avoid the ice cream, and sometimes I can't.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on November 12, 2011
at 04:34 PM

And to further clarify - if you have a significant health issue, getting in the weeds is a different matter altogether. My statement is applicable to most people in the middle of the curve.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on November 12, 2011
at 04:33 PM

And to further clarify - if you have a significant health issue, getting in the weeds is a different issue. My statement is applicable to most people in the middle of the curve

De641ff2accb4975e1f42886b43009db

(2227)

on November 12, 2011
at 04:26 PM

So true, I would be 100% if I had my own place. I only get to about 80% living with my family..

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on November 12, 2011
at 04:06 PM

The first step to detox is to stop ingesting additional toxins. Hence toxin avoidance comes first

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on November 12, 2011
at 04:05 PM

The first step to detox is to stop ingesting additional toxin. Hence toxin avoidance

421492f8989c426af583520a3d5fd136

(522)

on November 12, 2011
at 04:04 PM

'Try as hard as you can at whatever you're doing, then do as little as you can the rest of the time'... Absolutely fantastic outlook!

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

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on November 12, 2011
at 04:00 PM

^ I agree with Korion. Proper health --> proper functioning of neurotransmitters --> CHEMICAL HAPPINESS.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on November 12, 2011
at 03:24 PM

Great advice. Avoiding sugar is not nearly that important as understanding it.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on November 12, 2011
at 03:22 PM

We can't solve much with toxin avoidance. We should focus on detoxing systems i.e. liver/kidney.

7255a87872b75e6f691d84dca769b87e

on November 12, 2011
at 02:45 PM

Gonna jump in front of a bus to stop us?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on November 12, 2011
at 02:28 PM

Cauliflower rice is the greatest ;)

218f4d92627e4289cc81178fce5b4d00

on November 12, 2011
at 01:08 PM

sugar is huge: Fructose, sucrose, glucose, mono/di/polysaccharides, grains, carbs, insulin, metabolic syndrome etc. They all boil down to sugar. Understand and master sugar and its role in your life a you'll have a good many of your "ducks in a row" Question was What is your single greatest piece of Paleo advice? and for me that paramount.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on November 12, 2011
at 12:00 PM

How does one not enjoy their health :P?

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on November 12, 2011
at 10:01 AM

I have never seen a moderate-SAD eater in my life. Or is eating different kinds of crap in small amounts multiple times daily considered moderation?

27e79ef3308bb5f2d7bd04ee7eea7b79

(2038)

on November 12, 2011
at 09:59 AM

Plus one for naming the thing in me that goes berserk when I have a lick of sugar.

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on November 12, 2011
at 06:48 AM

I too am insulin resistant, and can't lose weight, how much carbs do you consume in a day?

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on November 12, 2011
at 05:12 AM

Even if you do start out at the same point, doing what someone did for that last 20 or 10 pounds would result in mind-blowingly rapid fat loss. Maybe that would be too fast and you'd get loose skin issues, though.

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(39831)

on November 12, 2011
at 05:09 AM

Then it's good advice if you are as fat as they were or plan on becoming that fat before you start losing. If they lost 100 pounds but stalled out 50 pounds from your goal, and you are 20 pounds from your goal, their advice is going to be very poorly applicable.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on November 12, 2011
at 04:50 AM

What if that fatter person has lost 100 pounds in the last year? Just askin'

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

(6097)

on November 12, 2011
at 04:25 AM

In what sense should I be mastering my sugars?

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(39831)

on November 12, 2011
at 04:21 AM

Don't take bodyfat reduction advice from people who are fatter than you want to be.

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on November 12, 2011
at 03:37 AM

YES!!! Thanks for the clarification!

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on November 12, 2011
at 03:28 AM

animal fats ... of course!

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on November 12, 2011
at 03:03 AM

Yeah in this community it has become cool to reject moderation as a reaction to the moderate-SAD eaters.

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D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on November 12, 2011
at 03:21 AM

"You don't need fixing so much as to just stop injuring yourself" - Dr Kurt Harris http://www.archevore.com/panu-weblog/2011/2/8/therapy-versus-life.html

Focus on neolithic toxin avoidance. The rest is in the weeds. There are diminishing returns to nutritional inquiry (intellectual curiosity notwithstanding). Sometimes good enough is good enough.

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(78467)

on November 12, 2011
at 03:22 PM

We can't solve much with toxin avoidance. We should focus on detoxing systems i.e. liver/kidney.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on November 12, 2011
at 04:33 PM

And to further clarify - if you have a significant health issue, getting in the weeds is a different issue. My statement is applicable to most people in the middle of the curve

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on November 12, 2011
at 05:13 PM

I totally agree Rose. I just didn't want to seem insensitive to individuals that might have life threatening illnesses (i.e. cancer). Searching for every last hack available is very different in that case.

Cc7381bd787721575ea9198048132adb

(5541)

on November 13, 2011
at 04:02 AM

Dr. Kurt Harris is the man. Plus uno.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on November 12, 2011
at 04:05 PM

The first step to detox is to stop ingesting additional toxin. Hence toxin avoidance

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on November 12, 2011
at 05:11 PM

I completely agree with this. Even your further clarification above, re "significant health issues," can often still be shoehorned into the Stop Injuring Yourself paradigm. Those of us with special health issues may just find that substances which are not toxic to those in the middle are toxic to us, is all.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on November 13, 2011
at 04:44 PM

Aravind to come to this conclusion would you first not have to change the manner in which you thought? I would ask you to ponder that for a minute. Every action we complete begins with a thought.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on November 12, 2011
at 04:06 PM

The first step to detox is to stop ingesting additional toxins. Hence toxin avoidance comes first

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on November 12, 2011
at 04:34 PM

And to further clarify - if you have a significant health issue, getting in the weeds is a different matter altogether. My statement is applicable to most people in the middle of the curve.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on November 14, 2011
at 01:03 PM

Yes Quilt, thought precedes action.

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(19235)

on November 14, 2011
at 05:06 PM

Fair enough :)

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19235)

on November 14, 2011
at 04:23 PM

In fact many actions precede any thought, this explains much of human decision making...

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on November 14, 2011
at 01:02 PM

Yes Quilt. Thought precedes action. I don't need a minute to ponder that

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on November 14, 2011
at 04:28 PM

Matthew - I didn't want to get into a debate about cognitive processes and the like so I just conceded the point

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on November 14, 2011
at 12:58 PM

@Quilt - yes I agree thought precedes action. By definition to be in the Paleo paradigm, we have changed our way of thinking. The question asked was amongst the various Paleo thoughts, what is essential. This is what I've answered.

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(10611)

on November 12, 2011
at 06:46 PM

Meat. Motion.

All the rest is aftermarket accessories.

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

(6097)

on November 12, 2011
at 07:46 PM

Incidentally, I actually didn't have any vegetation for a few months. Which is why I can comfortably say: it is important.

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

(6097)

on November 12, 2011
at 07:15 PM

My experience tells me that having vegetation of some sort in your diet is equally important to meat and exercise.

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(10611)

on November 12, 2011
at 07:21 PM

Everyone has vegetation, but paleo is more opportunistic than that. I suppose someone could be a vegan paleo, but why?

218f4d92627e4289cc81178fce5b4d00

on November 14, 2011
at 09:24 AM

MEAT. MOTION. All the REST ...........actually kind of like my handle...... :-)

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Cc7381bd787721575ea9198048132adb

on November 12, 2011
at 02:59 AM

You can't eat it if it's not in your house. Stay strong at the grocery store.

De641ff2accb4975e1f42886b43009db

(2227)

on November 12, 2011
at 04:26 PM

So true, I would be 100% if I had my own place. I only get to about 80% living with my family..

Bdf98e5a57befa6f0877f978ba09871c

on November 12, 2011
at 04:36 PM

this is why sometimes I can avoid the ice cream, and sometimes I can't.

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Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on November 12, 2011
at 05:05 AM

The one thing you must do before you choose to be optimal is to change they manner in which you think. That is optimal paleo in action and is a cornerstone principle.

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218f4d92627e4289cc81178fce5b4d00

on November 12, 2011
at 03:52 AM

Two words: dominus saccharide

*master the sugars.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on November 12, 2011
at 03:24 PM

Great advice. Avoiding sugar is not nearly that important as understanding it.

218f4d92627e4289cc81178fce5b4d00

on November 12, 2011
at 01:08 PM

sugar is huge: Fructose, sucrose, glucose, mono/di/polysaccharides, grains, carbs, insulin, metabolic syndrome etc. They all boil down to sugar. Understand and master sugar and its role in your life a you'll have a good many of your "ducks in a row" Question was What is your single greatest piece of Paleo advice? and for me that paramount.

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

(6097)

on November 12, 2011
at 04:25 AM

In what sense should I be mastering my sugars?

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(988)

on November 12, 2011
at 04:26 AM

Keep it simple. Dont eat things that come in boxes or sealed plastic bags. Keep in mind that the giant food barons aren't there to make you good foods, they're there to make a profit by selling you garbage for as much money as they can squeeze out of you. Try as hard as you can at whatever you're doing, then do as little as you can the rest of the time, take a que from any reasonable dog, run hard, sleep hard, eat old fashion things.

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(10611)

on November 12, 2011
at 07:01 PM

I like stories about dogs. Eating shoes is paleo.

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on November 12, 2011
at 05:05 PM

+1 for KISS approach

421492f8989c426af583520a3d5fd136

(522)

on November 12, 2011
at 04:04 PM

'Try as hard as you can at whatever you're doing, then do as little as you can the rest of the time'... Absolutely fantastic outlook!

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96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on November 12, 2011
at 02:59 AM

For many people, diet extremes don't work. Buy fresh, whole meats, vegetables and fruits. Use the Sisson pyramid or some other moderate approach.

Stick with the moderate path until/unless you have a specific goal and then consider all your options before going to extremes!

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

(6097)

on November 12, 2011
at 03:03 AM

Yeah in this community it has become cool to reject moderation as a reaction to the moderate-SAD eaters.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on November 12, 2011
at 10:01 AM

I have never seen a moderate-SAD eater in my life. Or is eating different kinds of crap in small amounts multiple times daily considered moderation?

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(4134)

on November 12, 2011
at 09:29 PM

Ambimorph, that is an excellent point about the relative nature of what is viewed as being extreme. Thank you very much for posting that.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on November 12, 2011
at 04:54 PM

Oh, come on, Korion. Many people do their best to "eat healthy" as defined under SAD but they eat grains and sugar. They don't eat a lot of chips, etc., and they eat fruits and vegetables. They deserve the "moderate" label.

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(18696)

on November 12, 2011
at 05:10 PM

Extreme is only defined in a relative way. Many would say that a diet without grains is extreme. If my diet is extreme to you, that doesn't make it extreme to me.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on November 12, 2011
at 05:28 PM

That I agree with, Ambimorph. We are considered extreme by many for eating ancestral. It felt pretty extreme to me to give up doughnuts! :-))

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A994080d499afca98cdc9de896701ebd

on November 12, 2011
at 10:40 AM

listen to YOUR body!

VLC is promoted a lot but it doesn't have to be the ideal diet for you. If you're not metabolically deranged, there is no reason for you to go zero/very low carb.

Just try everything out! Go with tubers, then go without. Go moderate fat, then high fat etc. Nobody here can tell you what works best for you. It's your own hunting and gathering now...and it takes a while till you have your routine and the result you desire.

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on November 12, 2011
at 06:53 PM

My body told me it wanted to be fat. So I take its advice with a grain of salt and another helping of bacon.

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Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32556)

on November 12, 2011
at 03:20 AM

(ANIMAL) Fat is your friend.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32556)

on November 12, 2011
at 03:37 AM

YES!!! Thanks for the clarification!

8508fec4bae4a580d1e1b807058fee8e

(6244)

on November 12, 2011
at 03:28 AM

animal fats ... of course!

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4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

on November 13, 2011
at 02:34 AM

Eat WHOLE Food ONLY when actually hungry.

All the bad stuff is processed, wheat, sugar, veg oil. Etc.

Eating for social reasons or by the clock or because you're bored and the food is available will hamper your health even if eating real food only.

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4fca5e11d50731edbf4cf2ec38691aa3

on November 12, 2011
at 04:23 AM

I am insulin resistant...So eating Paleo saves my life...My advice is to myself..."Don't wake the Monster!!!" I eat so my body will not release excess insulin into my blood stream . Insulin left over in my blood stream will not allow me to burn my own fat. Since I learned that..I have lost 35 pounds and still losing... I have gotten off of all my blood pressure meds and allergy meds....just ...Don't wake the MOnster!

27e79ef3308bb5f2d7bd04ee7eea7b79

(2038)

on November 12, 2011
at 09:59 AM

Plus one for naming the thing in me that goes berserk when I have a lick of sugar.

4c197bf333480ae7c349acddb781cb40

(360)

on November 12, 2011
at 06:48 AM

I too am insulin resistant, and can't lose weight, how much carbs do you consume in a day?

4fca5e11d50731edbf4cf2ec38691aa3

(961)

on November 15, 2011
at 02:27 AM

I stay at 20. I am so insulin resistant that I do not eat carbs on purpose, Most of what I eat are by accident..I do eat raw spinach on purpose though.

4fca5e11d50731edbf4cf2ec38691aa3

(961)

on November 15, 2011
at 02:31 AM

No grain, no sugar, and the only fruit I eat is berries...1/4 cup if I eat them... some day when I reach my goal weight..I will play with a little more fruit in season as long as my blood sugar does not go up, or just add more vegetables.

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(3024)

on November 13, 2011
at 05:32 AM

One, single best piece of advice?

Eat real food.

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8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on November 12, 2011
at 04:33 PM

Just eat meat and veggies and don't stress out about it.

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

(6097)

on November 12, 2011
at 07:13 PM

After decades of further advancements in our understanding of human biochemistry, our dietary recommendations for optimal health will likely converge at Sisson's "eat plants and animals."

4fca5e11d50731edbf4cf2ec38691aa3

(961)

on November 15, 2011
at 02:28 AM

Yes..I like this...

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on November 12, 2011
at 04:25 PM

Avoid eating empty calories and eat nutrient dense foods even if they are not "paleo" Strive to improve your diet, and don't worry about perfection or 100% strict paleo.

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(10611)

on November 12, 2011
at 06:51 PM

A piece of wood is empty calories. It's food if you can digest it. Our ancestors weren't picky eaters.

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

(6097)

on November 12, 2011
at 07:11 PM

But empty calories taste so good

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

(6097)

on November 13, 2011
at 05:07 PM

^ But I dont want to kill the craving. I want to flesh it out and fully enjoy my filthy urge.

6714718e2245e5190017d643a7614157

on November 12, 2011
at 07:33 PM

Yes, empty calories are yummy, but eating a big spoon of butter can often kill those cravings for empty calories. ;-)

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7255a87872b75e6f691d84dca769b87e

on November 12, 2011
at 03:15 PM

It's YOUR diet. Eat according to your needs and think for yourself.

F5a8a14fc6a4d33c2563d0dd3066698a

(714)

on May 29, 2012
at 09:58 PM

"Think for yourself." Exactly. Exercising the muscle in our skulls is a big part of being healthy, too.

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3eca93d2e56dfcd768197dc5a50944f2

(11697)

on November 12, 2011
at 06:22 AM

"Stay off gluten. If you gotta cheat, cheat with something else".

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(10611)

on November 12, 2011
at 07:08 PM

Gluten avoidance is an aftermarket accessory, like wearing a "kick me" sign.

Medium avatar

(10611)

on November 12, 2011
at 06:58 PM

Gluten avoidance is an aftermarket accessory, like wearing on a "kick me" sign.

7255a87872b75e6f691d84dca769b87e

on November 12, 2011
at 02:45 PM

Gonna jump in front of a bus to stop us?

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Medium avatar

on November 12, 2011
at 04:53 AM

Stick to your guns to achieve your (Paleo or otherwise) goals. You and I both know this is the right way, who gives a s**t what anyone else thinks?

Medium avatar

(10611)

on November 12, 2011
at 06:59 PM

Perseverance. Good point.

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5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

(6097)

on November 12, 2011
at 02:53 AM

Mine is:

Don't forget fruits and vegetables. Adding them into my diet was my missing link. Conventional wisdom may not be infallible, but it often reaches correct conclusions.

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(10611)

on November 12, 2011
at 07:16 PM

Most people don't defy the law of averages. Believing that the sky is falling doesn't make it so. But those beliefs launch a LOT of bad science....fiction.

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on November 13, 2011
at 01:25 PM

If in doubt? Paleohack it!

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2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

(4994)

on November 12, 2011
at 04:34 PM

"Don't worry, be happy" :) relax and enjoy life as much as possible with paleo eating complimenting that lifestyle. It's so easy to get worked up about things like "OMG have I caused inflammation with my omega 3 to 6 ratio today?!?!" or "Am I going to die if eat a vegetable oil coated raisin?!" sometimes you can worry so much about the little details that you undo any health benefits you have aquired through your diet! So yes, my advice is relax a bit and have fun.

2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

(4994)

on November 12, 2011
at 05:29 PM

Exactly that ;D

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on November 12, 2011
at 04:43 PM

Let me translate for some of the others here - Kepp Relax. Enjoy your sucess. And the lovely time

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Cf4e7d927a48582cc22adbe59bfd0b2d

on November 12, 2011
at 09:14 AM

Umm... Enjoy your health? I mean, the others are wonderful, but I would say that it's most important that you have some sort of happiness or fulfillment derived from being good to your body.

Cf4e7d927a48582cc22adbe59bfd0b2d

(753)

on November 12, 2011
at 09:35 PM

I was meaning something along the lines of viewing it as a sort of diet, the mindset where you're restricting and basically forcing yourself to do the "healthy" thing. You'll never truly enjoy that.

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

(6097)

on November 12, 2011
at 04:00 PM

^ I agree with Korion. Proper health --> proper functioning of neurotransmitters --> CHEMICAL HAPPINESS.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on November 12, 2011
at 12:00 PM

How does one not enjoy their health :P?

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(7223)

on November 12, 2011
at 03:11 AM

Start with the core principles but don't be afraid to experiment after that to find out what works best for your body.

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F3583667d653163c121640a015ffa93a

(784)

on November 12, 2011
at 01:55 PM

Allow yourself to say "wait a minute, I know I hate liver, but maybe I should try it again."

Once you release yourself from the conventional wisdom diet of today and step backwards towards our more ideal nutrition, you can try organ meats and not instantly think "YUCK!" And in fact you'll probably find out after some time and repeated tasting, that they are good.

I think this is a mind set as well as a nutritional thing, and it's like I am finally growing into an adult with adult tastes and leaving behind the sugar filled diet of childhood. The new mind set allows me to think I can go to bed at a reasonable hour instead of watching that last hour of TV that I always knew wasn't that interesting, anyway. Things like that. It has changed me in ways no "diet" has ever done before.

I don't know that that's advice, more my perspective of what Paleo has done for me. Anyway, good luck. :)

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on November 12, 2011
at 09:04 AM

Check out the Paleo Diet I'm on (the noun, not the verb). http://www.examiner.com/diets-in-atlanta/diet-verb-or-noun

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on November 12, 2011
at 04:59 PM

Upvoted to try and give you some balance Paul.

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on November 12, 2011
at 04:59 PM

Why did everyone downvote this?? Beacuse it's an outside link? Clearly Paul did not write this editorial, and I doubt he works for the Atlanta Examiner, and whether or not the dude who wrote the article eats SAD or not, he gives some seriously good advice for those that hadn't already considered this line of thought!

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on November 12, 2011
at 02:07 PM

Remember that you are doing this for yourself, and for reasons that seemed vital to you when you started. Your -personal- reasons for doing this are what are going to keep you strong in the face of a culture that is going in a completely different direction... so cultivate those reasons, and remember their importance to you.

If you get your head in place first, everything else falls out in the logistics -- if you lose your head, you lose the map -- if you lose the map, you lose the journey.

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on November 12, 2011
at 05:06 PM

Eat big and then stop ingesting stuff all day long.

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on November 12, 2011
at 03:34 AM

Avoid: vegetables oils, artificial colors/flavors, preservatives, grains except occasional rice!

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on November 12, 2011
at 02:28 PM

Cauliflower rice is the greatest ;)

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on November 15, 2011
at 01:11 AM

Being a newbie, I've decided that it's better to just do the best you can and not beat yourself up. Meat, veggies, good fats, some fruits, movement... today I had hard boiled eggs and some ham for breakfast, homemade soup w/ chicken, carrots & green onions for lunch, an apple and ground beef and cabbage for supper... no grains, so sugars... wasn't the most delicious food I've ever had but I feel good!

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on November 13, 2011
at 02:09 AM

The first step is to realise that most of the conventional nutritional advice we receive is wrong.

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on November 13, 2011
at 04:44 AM

I strongly disagree. I think most conventional advice is actually right (protein is good, fruit and vegetables are good, sugar is bad, etc.) Any sort of information that is propagated to the point of being considered "conventional advice" has to be somewhat rooted in reality.

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on May 05, 2012
at 07:47 AM

Eat what nature intended us to eat. In other words, don't f*ck with mother nature, she knows best!

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on May 05, 2012
at 04:47 PM

The question is: what are we intended to eat?

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on May 06, 2012
at 12:50 AM

Indeed, that is an on-going voyage of discovery rather than a final, definitive endpoint that so many wish/hope to believe; hence why we have active forums such as PH. The best we can do is build a body of knowledge on well-founded rational principles, supported by sound evidence (not dogma) and continuously refined and challenged.

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