Woke up this morning to emails from Robb Wolf and Chris Kresser advertising their new "Paleologix" product line.
$169.95 buys you what looks like 30-45 days of 4 products.
AdaptaClear detoxification support containing: B6, Folate, B12, Molybdenum, Trimethylglycine, Milk Thisle Seed Extract, Broccili seed Extract, Gotu Kola Extract, N-Acetyl L-Cysteine, Cordyceps sinensis, L-Glutamine, L-Glycine, Kale, Acerola fruit Extract, Collard Greens, Acai berry, Blueberry, Dulse, Kelp, Red Algae
AdaptaGest Core digestive support: Pancreatin, Ox Bile, Pirotease, Lipase, Amylase, Acid Stable Protein, Bromelain, Ginger (root), Beet (root), Dandelion leaf, Milk Thistle Seed Extract, Kale, Acerola fruit Extract, Collard Greens, Acai berry, Blueberry, Dulse, Kelp, Red Algae
AdaptaGest Flex digestive support: Betaine HCL (400mg/serving)
AdaptaBoost energy support: Biotin, Mangesium (glycinate), Manganese (sulfate), Chromium (chelate), Alpha Lipoic Acid, Banaba, L-Carnitine, Acetyl L-Carnitine, Choline (Choline Bitartrate), Taurine, ECGC, Vanadium, Gymema sylvestre, Kale, Acerola fruit Extract, Collard Greens, Acai berry, Blueberry, Dulse, Kelp, Red Algae
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on December 13, 2012
at 12:28 AM
This is a copy of my comment on Reddit about it:
Cavemen didn't have most of the kinds of fruits and vegetables we have today (or modern cows, which are highly selected and different in composition and milk from ancient cows). Most of the veg. species these people ate, are now long dead, or not used anymore. We feed on a narrow selection of selected food (even if they're organic). So with that in mind, what we're eating is not "Paleo", but the "most natural diet possible in these modern times we live in". So pills do fit in quite a lot. Please allow me to explain.
These supplements are only for the beginning of transitioning to Paleo, and only for those who have gut/stomach problems (like me). Today, there are a LOT of people with deranged bodies, making their transition to Paleo problematic. For some people, Paleo works right out of the bat. For others, it doesn't -- not so well at least.
You see, I had just spent 9 months on Paleo, eating a lot of fish/meat, and a lot of animal organs, only to find that I was B12 deficient. I couldn't believe it. I really thought that the blood test was wrong! Apparently, after 10 years with IBS, I just couldn't absorb nutrients. These supplements are for that kind of people, like me. Kresser and Wolf are clear in their description page: These pills are not for everyone, and not for forever. They only help out in the beginning, to put the stomach/gut back to a normal state -- for those who need it. If you read the ingredients individually, you will find research backing these up. I bet that the formula was put together by Chris Kresser, who's more into this kind of supplementation than Wolf.
Personally, I don't have a problem with these products. They're a bit expensive, but if you don't need them, don't buy'em. I'm not going to buy them since I own most of these ingredients individually in separate supplements (so I control better what I take). My way of doing things is way more expensive than buying these 4 bottles, but I feel that without them, I wouldn't have fixed my health as much as I have in the 15 months I do Paleo.
on December 12, 2012
at 06:00 PM
Fonzy, meet shark.
I did not listen to their podcast introduction yet, but that statement sums up my opinion at the moment. When I got the email I was hoping it was fraudulent.
on December 12, 2012
at 06:30 PM
In general the supplements seem fine to me, but I am certainly not qualified to comment on each of them individually. The Betaine HCL digestive support really helped me make the switch from a low-fat to a high-fat diet.
I'm a little confused by the 45-day count. Maybe this is to make it harder to compare to other products! I just threw together a quick comparison list based on Now Foods/Amazon and I bet you could build this basic system from around $50/month. That leaves another $35/month to add in some special ingredients found in Paleologix not found in the Now Foods stuff. Cannot speak to comparing the manufacturing processes.
(shameless amazon affiliate links included in below comparison)
Paleo Blend / Seaweed Blend
Each product includes some kind of greens components. Compare to:
Vibrant Health Green Vibrance Family Size Power ??? 60 Day Supply, 25.4-Ounce, $50 for 60 days which is high
Paleologix Adaptaclear (Detox) 45 servings
Compare to Now Foods Liver Detoxifier & Regenerator, 100caps for $10
Paleologix Adaptagest (Digestive Core)
Paleologix Adaptagest (Digestive Flex)
Paleologix AdaptaBoost (Energy)
on December 12, 2012
at 07:06 PM
I was pretty excited when I first heard because they are guys that have earned my trust over the time I have been reading them. But when I heard the product names -- I mean come on guys, get a marketing department. Adaptaclear? Did you kids come up with these names?
I for one am happy about having clear key ingredients and allowing the consumer to make an educated decision. Too many supplements list crap that cannot be verified.
on December 12, 2012
at 06:10 PM
It seems to be the typical overpriced/underdosed supplements. I've seen a lot of better products for cheaper and just by buying individual nutrients and tailoring dosages to your needs.
on February 12, 2013
at 05:30 PM
First: I have the utmost respect for Robb Wolf, Mark Sisson, Chris Kresser. I wanted to make that clear.
For all of Robb Wolf's and mark sisson's and chris kresser's talk about wanting to get paleo-type ideas into a real medical sphere-- saying that there is no reason why paleo/primal isn't real medicine, or saying the american public has been done a real disservice by the USA food pyramid, American doctors have it all wrong, etc. - in the end they don't explain to you why you need their supplements on top of the paleo or primal type eating.
and you know what? when you offer a superficial explanation, or tell people to pay for your supplement and then maybe you'll offer an explanation, you downgrade your brand, and you come out looking faddish. you guys are good! but you look like people who just want to make a buck because they are, but they don't seem anywhere like real authorities on health, despite the fact that they are VERY knowledegable and they have helped many!
Why can't they explain things to you like the Perfect Health Diet book and list supplements that you can buy on amazon from their pages? I mean, someone can tell you that you need to take Magnesium, Vitamin C, molybdenum, chromium, etc. but until you understand how it works in the body (and you can back it up with research, like the Jaminets), you're still shilling supplements, with things which are not necessarily proven to help.
you can't just sell these supplements and complain about how the medical community is not willing to take your ideas when you don't explain how you formulated your supplement, why those minerals or herbs are important, and finally, why it is necessary to sell the supplements at such an exorbitant price! (and mark sisson, I'm including you in this too).
because you know who else sells supplements? hydroxycut. red yeast rice co. costco. Walgreens. Kroger. GNC. besides paleo people, be honest - who buys supplements and why? the supplements industry is a bunch of companies that the general american public does not trust because a) they don't understand what the supplement does, and b) it's not regulated by the FDA, and c) many doctors (traditional MD's, not naturopaths or homeopaths or allopaths, etc., who, let's face it, most Americans actually go to see FIRST) dismiss them as bunk.
I understand they have kids and need to make a living. But, tell people what the supplement is doing!
Only when you appropriately teach doctors (and your users) WHAT the supplement is doing for them, and can, for example, list statistics like why molybdenum, magnesium, selenium, and chromium are important, - like that these minerals are at lowered levels in autopsided bodies. Magnesium is deficient in many heart attack patients! Then, will you convert users and the medical community.
I guess this is fine that they are doing this. but I wonder if they would make a lot more money if they put links on their pages to supplements that they got a commission off of and explained why those supplements are useful for which conditions, rather than trying to make this or that herbal blend + minerals + vitamins.
It's just fishy. the process to convert MD's and others in the medical community will be slow, until they understand, and my money is on the Jaminets and their recommendations of weekly amounts of those vitamins and minerals.
I like this quote from benjamin franklin: ???Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.???
The aforementioned have done the first part. the second and third - where people are taught and involved in their health with supplements and WHY - the chronic infections component! - they are not doing justice to people's health in the same way perfect health diet is.
I've bought in this order all these books: robb wolf paleo diet, mark sisson primal solution (whatever the first book was), whole30, chris kresser's paleo plan (not a book, an online plan for dealing with problems, which I didn't find any different from the whole30 except there are all these worksheets you can fill out), and GAPS book, and finally PerfectHealthDiet. sure it was the journey that was probably important, but only perfecthealthdiet really nails the science and nutrition of the human body. the other programs are temporary fixes - you'll lose weight/feel great!/whatever! but likely you'll end up with some other problem in the long run.
and even perfect health, you have to read through the perfect health diet blog to make sure you really understand what it means to supplement well and wisely, to really get the full impact of the book.
good luck guys. i wish you all the best. but shilling your own supplements makes paleo/primal look hokey. I think the payoff and the respect from the medical industry could be greater...but maybe I am misguided.
Again, I mean no disrespect. thank you for your contributions to the paleo/primal industry.
on July 10, 2013
at 05:36 PM
I'd be interested in hearing if anyone has used these products recently and what their results were. Improvements? Set backs? Anything at all?
on February 20, 2013
at 02:08 PM
I have had some digestive issues that go back to before I started eating Paleo. Paleo seemed to exacerbate the problem. I tried NOW Foods Digestive Enzymes, different probiotics, and a multitude of foods that are suppose to help with digestion, but none of them worked. After two weeks on the Paleologix Digestive Core and Flex pills I am seeing wonderful improvements. They may be expensive, but they are convenient and I don't know I would have ever been able to find the right combination of supplements to help me get over this issue otherwise. These pills worked great for me so I would happily drop a lot of money for them. As Robb and Chris have said, these aren't meant for everybody but they can really help some people.
on February 01, 2013
at 10:11 PM
I agree, a bit expensive. But it is only for a certain time as to clean and detox the body. Also, the use is to ingest them three times a day with meals so you get a fair dosage for the average people. You could build it yourself by buying the supplements (which I am doing), it also gives you a better understanding of why you are taking those supplements because you will do research and then trial and error until you get the right dosage for you.
It seemed weird at the beginnning I must say, coming from Robb and Chriss but like someone said earlier I got nothing against them for making an extra money and helping people who are too busy and don't want to go into figuring out everything. They have done so much already for all of us.
on December 12, 2012
at 07:16 PM
If this helps to fund more great work from these guys, I'm all for it. But hey kids, pay your heating bill first.
on February 20, 2013
at 03:48 PM
I must say, I'm not impressed. The price is wow, uh, crazy? I've also asked Chris more than once about how his products may affect someone with some intolerance to some of his ingredients. He did not respond.