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What are you still confused about?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created September 18, 2011 at 11:15 PM

Is there a subject that you've questioned and studied about but still don't feel that you understand?

19acef0aed67ef8dc1118d8e74edb349

(2954)

on November 28, 2011
at 12:40 AM

When I was growing up in a very rural area in Portugal, if we had spaghetti and meat sauce, it's 3/4 the plate meat sauce, and 1/4 plate of spaghetti. Same with other pasta dishes. If we had bread it was a little bread (homemade) and tons of butter and cheese. Remember one or two homemade loaves are a lot of work to make, and they were shared by 6-8 people in the family. It had to last the week. Unfortunately, the food pyramid now is like the USA one, so many people now eat much more grains... and not much meat, just like USA :-(

5191b0931c9389e780c6334fe5cc2879

(10)

on September 25, 2011
at 06:57 PM

thank you very much

7c9f81d68c78de1a31eab9c91c17b4b8

on September 25, 2011
at 01:33 PM

LC and VLC subjective but I think Sisson, Jaminet and Kresser are under 100-150 for low carb range. If you are talking something like VLC for most people that is 20-25 grams per day. Dr.Kruse leptin reset protocol is 25 grams or less a day.

6371f0ae0c075ded1b8cd30aafd4bf16

on September 19, 2011
at 09:06 PM

Yeah I listened to one podcast in which a type 1 diabetic was saying she was on a 80% fat 20% protein diet but when she started talking about what she ate it seemed that the ratio's were off. She listed dairy as a fat. I would think dairy would be all three, right?

6b365c14c646462210f3ef6b6fecace1

(1784)

on September 19, 2011
at 06:44 PM

i think that's pretty accurate!

64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

(15236)

on September 19, 2011
at 06:09 PM

'Real' salt by itself tastes just fine. It's the processed stuff you should avoid. Many people get too little salt on a paleo diet and it can cause issues. I'd suggest either himalayan crystal salt or pink salt. I add it to my water when cycling as well as adding it liberally to my foods. There are a lot of health benefits associated with it.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on September 19, 2011
at 06:09 PM

salt is essential in a paleo diet

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on September 19, 2011
at 06:08 PM

Good points about LCHF

A727956fa3f943057c4edb08ad9e864e

(4183)

on September 19, 2011
at 06:03 PM

Italians also have huge rates of celiac, remember 'better' is not necessarily good. I've been to Italy and my friend lives there, they are slim until their mid-30's and then bam, the middle age spread kicks in.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on September 19, 2011
at 05:52 PM

Me too. I read her book when it first came out. Enjoyed it. Very low protein which is fine biologically I suppose but I have a hard time envisioning what her plates of food look like. No starch and very little protein with a LOT of fat...salads with like 2 ounces meat and one cup of olive oil or something? Doesn't strike me as practicable

5e6a6f5c0fd3ab048f81c0a500206f41

(956)

on September 19, 2011
at 04:07 PM

perfect! thanks so much! ill definitely check these out!

D30ff86ad2c1f3b43b99aed213bcf461

on September 19, 2011
at 01:48 PM

I'm going to use nutritional advice that presupposes me doing CrossFit for now, since that's something I'm already committed to trying.

E35e3d76547b18096a59c90029e7e107

(15613)

on September 19, 2011
at 10:24 AM

http://www.theiflife.com/intermittent-fasting-101-how-to-start-part-i/ and http://www.theiflife.com/advantages-intermittent-fasting-feeding/

E35e3d76547b18096a59c90029e7e107

(15613)

on September 19, 2011
at 10:22 AM

Calories consumed - calories burnt definitely counts, but you can't control this balance by counting calories, because your body can simply adapt by burning fewer calories or demanding you ingest more. Eat good fats until satiation. @Harry I think starch is now 'allowed', because it's been recognised that lots of healthy cultures and individuals do fine on 80%+ starch diets. You personally may or may not be a 'healthy' individual in this sense- I'm certainly not and I'm a lean, fit 25 year old.

C836b2644e7319bb957fbb794a97708e

on September 19, 2011
at 09:24 AM

This question motivated me into looking into historical Italian diets. Basically they were pretty paleo until they were taken over by the "barbarians" who introduced bread and pastry. I find that to be a bit odd (barbarians/bread) but I will have to look into it more. The used to eat chickpeas, lupins, dry figs, pickled olives, salted and dry fish and pork. Interesting! I wonder how many other cultures started out fairly paleo!

2f931662684a7747be36255c8b486228

(1049)

on September 19, 2011
at 09:13 AM

Italians do eat a lot of pasta, every single day, often twice per day. I live in Italy and the children can't live without pasta, bread, potatoes or rice. BUT- it is hard to get fast food here, packaged food is nill, and when you do get it the list of ingredients is very brief. If you want to eat off hours or between meals, impossible unless you go home or to a grocery store. Also, no billboards with food on them to "make you hungry" by making you drool. Pasta in Italy is NOT a side (Germany yes), it is about 1/2 of the meal, for children often the whole meal. Obesity is now on the rise.

C836b2644e7319bb957fbb794a97708e

on September 19, 2011
at 07:54 AM

(I am trying to *become* more educated so I welcome being told I am wrong!! I thank you for it)

C836b2644e7319bb957fbb794a97708e

on September 19, 2011
at 07:53 AM

Sorry if I said something inaccurate. Even if they do not eat tons they do eat it. Lasagna..fettuccine Alfredo among others. Maybe the Italians I have known (such as one of my grandmothers) have been very Americanized *shrugs* so their portions are different. Point being is it is a part of their diet so why is it they can eat wheat based stuff and not suffer.

306905a32e76b5c0764a663ea7e88426

(1072)

on September 19, 2011
at 06:52 AM

Italians *don't* eat tons of pasta - it's usually served as a side and the focus on the meal is very much with the meat / sauce.

306905a32e76b5c0764a663ea7e88426

(1072)

on September 19, 2011
at 06:24 AM

Definitely! What counts? Calories? Carbs? Both? And why am I now allowed starches? :)

Medium avatar

(39821)

on September 19, 2011
at 05:04 AM

My advice would be to ditch CF, eat all of the carbs right before bed and do *lots* of walking in the fasted state. Works for me.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32564)

on September 19, 2011
at 04:59 AM

No way to track/tag the questions. I'd suggest deleting it.

C2502365891cbcc8af2d1cf1d7b0e9fc

(2437)

on September 19, 2011
at 03:53 AM

I don't mind a little bit of salt. I grind rock salt into my drinking water, and I'm happy to pick up the spillage and eat it

40449b985898b088a64660b40f329f0f

(951)

on September 19, 2011
at 03:44 AM

I could not agree more.

40449b985898b088a64660b40f329f0f

(951)

on September 19, 2011
at 03:44 AM

Amen, brother. Someone please step up to this one.

40449b985898b088a64660b40f329f0f

(951)

on September 19, 2011
at 03:43 AM

I actually think it is a great question! Please don't delete it. There is certainly something unique about trying to address the things that get posted about ALL THE TIME, and you STILL aren't clear about in a focused thread.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on September 19, 2011
at 03:23 AM

well try eating salt by itself. Salt is put on all kinds of food, so you really have no idea how something affects you untill you have it by itself. Salt feels like the worst thing for you when you have it by itself, so I think it's actually extremely bad for you.

6371f0ae0c075ded1b8cd30aafd4bf16

on September 19, 2011
at 03:19 AM

I may delete it

6371f0ae0c075ded1b8cd30aafd4bf16

on September 19, 2011
at 03:19 AM

Yeah, I thought of that after posting the question.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on September 19, 2011
at 01:43 AM

I think there is indeed a pretty strait forward answer to this one but I too need to hear it.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on September 19, 2011
at 01:43 AM

Good one. The term is thrown around a lot and it's almost never actually explained. Tell me simply: what is inflammation. reminds of derivatives when wall street got in trouble: everybody pointing the finger and talking around it but noone could simply explain what one is to the public.

51b472fa449ab0e5433f27dcd799fedd

(1091)

on September 19, 2011
at 01:39 AM

Isn’t the whole point of PaleoHacks.com to ask questions about what you’re confused about? Seems like consolidating it into one thread defeats the point…

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0a2dd50f2d3951bf3fb83fc4638c9512

(1960)

on September 19, 2011
at 12:09 AM

Great question!

I would still like to better understand the fundamental causes of what is referred to in our Paleo circles as "inflammation," and what that actually means. For instance, it has been argued that people like me who were always in the past diagnosed with hypercholesterolemia and treated with statin drugs may in fact be doing more harm than good over time. One theory claims that people with high cholesterol levels may actually be suffering not from a dysfunction in the body's production of cholesterol, but instead are actually suffering from an inflammation of some type, to which the body is responding by producing more cholesterol to help the blood address and heal the inflammation. (It still stuns me to think about the implications of this if it is correct -- and I happen to believe that it has at least some if not a lot of merit.)

So, I'd like to know if, for example, this "inflammation" takes the form of shredding along the interior of vascular walls? And what causes the inflammation? Are the walls being torn by something? Or am I interpreting "inflammation" incorrectly?

Thanks for your feedback!

40449b985898b088a64660b40f329f0f

(951)

on September 19, 2011
at 03:44 AM

Amen, brother. Someone please step up to this one.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on September 19, 2011
at 01:43 AM

Good one. The term is thrown around a lot and it's almost never actually explained. Tell me simply: what is inflammation. reminds of derivatives when wall street got in trouble: everybody pointing the finger and talking around it but noone could simply explain what one is to the public.

3
F4d04667059bc682540fdfd8b40f13a7

on September 19, 2011
at 12:07 AM

I'm really interested in Leptin and reading Jack Kruse's blog with interest. However, it still hasn't quite clicked - I think I need an entire book devoted to to.

2
40449b985898b088a64660b40f329f0f

(951)

on September 18, 2011
at 11:53 PM

I still don't fully understand the difference between the way the liver deals with insulin relative to muscles, fat and the rest of the body. A short answer would be VERY appreciated.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on September 19, 2011
at 01:43 AM

I think there is indeed a pretty strait forward answer to this one but I too need to hear it.

2
23e12b6f370a326165c219ea46b06a18

on September 18, 2011
at 11:32 PM

YES! How much FAT! what about good ol grassfed saturated fat! Some do some stay away, coconut oil some do some say NO WAY, at times the whole 'paleo" itself feels confusing. Also DO calories count? some say yes some say no... :)

306905a32e76b5c0764a663ea7e88426

(1072)

on September 19, 2011
at 06:24 AM

Definitely! What counts? Calories? Carbs? Both? And why am I now allowed starches? :)

E35e3d76547b18096a59c90029e7e107

(15613)

on September 19, 2011
at 10:22 AM

Calories consumed - calories burnt definitely counts, but you can't control this balance by counting calories, because your body can simply adapt by burning fewer calories or demanding you ingest more. Eat good fats until satiation. @Harry I think starch is now 'allowed', because it's been recognised that lots of healthy cultures and individuals do fine on 80%+ starch diets. You personally may or may not be a 'healthy' individual in this sense- I'm certainly not and I'm a lean, fit 25 year old.

1
5191b0931c9389e780c6334fe5cc2879

on September 25, 2011
at 01:13 PM

could someone actually define VLC and low carb in grams per day ie how many grams of carb per day = VLC? these terms are always bandied around but never actually a spelt out.

7c9f81d68c78de1a31eab9c91c17b4b8

on September 25, 2011
at 01:33 PM

LC and VLC subjective but I think Sisson, Jaminet and Kresser are under 100-150 for low carb range. If you are talking something like VLC for most people that is 20-25 grams per day. Dr.Kruse leptin reset protocol is 25 grams or less a day.

5191b0931c9389e780c6334fe5cc2879

(10)

on September 25, 2011
at 06:57 PM

thank you very much

1
27e79ef3308bb5f2d7bd04ee7eea7b79

(2038)

on September 19, 2011
at 05:57 PM

"Leaky gut." What, precisely, does that mean? I envision holes in the intenstine walls, with slime oozing through them.

6b365c14c646462210f3ef6b6fecace1

(1784)

on September 19, 2011
at 06:44 PM

i think that's pretty accurate!

1
Ef9f83cb4e1826261a44c173f733789e

on September 19, 2011
at 05:40 PM

I wish I could wrap my head around Nora Gedgaudas' material, pun intended.

6371f0ae0c075ded1b8cd30aafd4bf16

on September 19, 2011
at 09:06 PM

Yeah I listened to one podcast in which a type 1 diabetic was saying she was on a 80% fat 20% protein diet but when she started talking about what she ate it seemed that the ratio's were off. She listed dairy as a fat. I would think dairy would be all three, right?

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on September 19, 2011
at 05:52 PM

Me too. I read her book when it first came out. Enjoyed it. Very low protein which is fine biologically I suppose but I have a hard time envisioning what her plates of food look like. No starch and very little protein with a LOT of fat...salads with like 2 ounces meat and one cup of olive oil or something? Doesn't strike me as practicable

1
C836b2644e7319bb957fbb794a97708e

on September 19, 2011
at 05:28 AM

I would like to know if there are any long term examples of cultures following a high fat low carb diet OTHER than the Inuit? Are there any examples of members here who have been healthy for 10+ years or long enough to determine long term effects? The human body is super adaptable and can survive any number of things. Cultures can adapt to different diets and be healthy.

One extreme case does not make the overall case for paleo. Plus the Inuit evolved to carry a fair amount of body fat in order to stay warm. They lived in a VERY extreme environment! I am not sure I am going for the traditional "fluffy" Inuit body (I hope I am not being offensive).

And Italians eat TONS of pasta that is made from wheat and they are fine? I am just finding a lack of solid proof that this is the best way. It makes sense logically which is why I am doing it but I would feel better with some solid evidence that is NOT just a quote from the 2-3 paleo gurus or the 5 scientific studies they cite. I am 12 days in and am not adapted yet so I feel pretty crummy. I guess I want to be 100% sure I am not hurting myself!!

C836b2644e7319bb957fbb794a97708e

on September 19, 2011
at 07:53 AM

Sorry if I said something inaccurate. Even if they do not eat tons they do eat it. Lasagna..fettuccine Alfredo among others. Maybe the Italians I have known (such as one of my grandmothers) have been very Americanized *shrugs* so their portions are different. Point being is it is a part of their diet so why is it they can eat wheat based stuff and not suffer.

A727956fa3f943057c4edb08ad9e864e

(4183)

on September 19, 2011
at 06:03 PM

Italians also have huge rates of celiac, remember 'better' is not necessarily good. I've been to Italy and my friend lives there, they are slim until their mid-30's and then bam, the middle age spread kicks in.

C836b2644e7319bb957fbb794a97708e

on September 19, 2011
at 07:54 AM

(I am trying to *become* more educated so I welcome being told I am wrong!! I thank you for it)

C836b2644e7319bb957fbb794a97708e

on September 19, 2011
at 09:24 AM

This question motivated me into looking into historical Italian diets. Basically they were pretty paleo until they were taken over by the "barbarians" who introduced bread and pastry. I find that to be a bit odd (barbarians/bread) but I will have to look into it more. The used to eat chickpeas, lupins, dry figs, pickled olives, salted and dry fish and pork. Interesting! I wonder how many other cultures started out fairly paleo!

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on September 19, 2011
at 06:08 PM

Good points about LCHF

306905a32e76b5c0764a663ea7e88426

(1072)

on September 19, 2011
at 06:52 AM

Italians *don't* eat tons of pasta - it's usually served as a side and the focus on the meal is very much with the meat / sauce.

2f931662684a7747be36255c8b486228

(1049)

on September 19, 2011
at 09:13 AM

Italians do eat a lot of pasta, every single day, often twice per day. I live in Italy and the children can't live without pasta, bread, potatoes or rice. BUT- it is hard to get fast food here, packaged food is nill, and when you do get it the list of ingredients is very brief. If you want to eat off hours or between meals, impossible unless you go home or to a grocery store. Also, no billboards with food on them to "make you hungry" by making you drool. Pasta in Italy is NOT a side (Germany yes), it is about 1/2 of the meal, for children often the whole meal. Obesity is now on the rise.

19acef0aed67ef8dc1118d8e74edb349

(2954)

on November 28, 2011
at 12:40 AM

When I was growing up in a very rural area in Portugal, if we had spaghetti and meat sauce, it's 3/4 the plate meat sauce, and 1/4 plate of spaghetti. Same with other pasta dishes. If we had bread it was a little bread (homemade) and tons of butter and cheese. Remember one or two homemade loaves are a lot of work to make, and they were shared by 6-8 people in the family. It had to last the week. Unfortunately, the food pyramid now is like the USA one, so many people now eat much more grains... and not much meat, just like USA :-(

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5e6a6f5c0fd3ab048f81c0a500206f41

on September 19, 2011
at 04:45 AM

intermittent fasting - the benefits of IF, how to do it, who should do it, the science behind it, etc. I've tried reading lean gains but that site is just totally overwhelming.

5e6a6f5c0fd3ab048f81c0a500206f41

(956)

on September 19, 2011
at 04:07 PM

perfect! thanks so much! ill definitely check these out!

E35e3d76547b18096a59c90029e7e107

(15613)

on September 19, 2011
at 10:24 AM

http://www.theiflife.com/intermittent-fasting-101-how-to-start-part-i/ and http://www.theiflife.com/advantages-intermittent-fasting-feeding/

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D30ff86ad2c1f3b43b99aed213bcf461

on September 19, 2011
at 01:56 AM

Even if I'm in the range of 0-75 g carbs daily, how should I best use those carbs (when to eat them, etc.) if Crossfitting early in the morning - yet still manage to lose weight?

Some people say train fasted, some say you need to front-load some glycogen.

Some say you can train on VLC no problem, others say that they tank and require carbs to do regular Crossfit.

All of these debates over carb consumption v. food reward only serve to further confuse me. :-\

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(39821)

on September 19, 2011
at 05:04 AM

My advice would be to ditch CF, eat all of the carbs right before bed and do *lots* of walking in the fasted state. Works for me.

D30ff86ad2c1f3b43b99aed213bcf461

on September 19, 2011
at 01:48 PM

I'm going to use nutritional advice that presupposes me doing CrossFit for now, since that's something I'm already committed to trying.

40449b985898b088a64660b40f329f0f

(951)

on September 19, 2011
at 03:44 AM

I could not agree more.

0
51b472fa449ab0e5433f27dcd799fedd

(1091)

on September 19, 2011
at 01:38 AM

Isn’t the whole point of PaleoHacks.com to ask questions about what you’re confused about? Seems like consolidating it into one thread defeats the point…

0
34d0dfe6cb1a477bd2b5f984c2af29a9

on September 19, 2011
at 01:34 AM

How important is avoiding salt?

C2502365891cbcc8af2d1cf1d7b0e9fc

(2437)

on September 19, 2011
at 03:53 AM

I don't mind a little bit of salt. I grind rock salt into my drinking water, and I'm happy to pick up the spillage and eat it

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on September 19, 2011
at 03:23 AM

well try eating salt by itself. Salt is put on all kinds of food, so you really have no idea how something affects you untill you have it by itself. Salt feels like the worst thing for you when you have it by itself, so I think it's actually extremely bad for you.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on September 19, 2011
at 06:09 PM

salt is essential in a paleo diet

64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

(15236)

on September 19, 2011
at 06:09 PM

'Real' salt by itself tastes just fine. It's the processed stuff you should avoid. Many people get too little salt on a paleo diet and it can cause issues. I'd suggest either himalayan crystal salt or pink salt. I add it to my water when cycling as well as adding it liberally to my foods. There are a lot of health benefits associated with it.

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