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Water weight vs. Fat loss

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Created January 19, 2011 at 3:53 PM

I have been on warrior/paleo for about four days straight.. longest I have been on a diet haha. After four days it said I lost six pounds!! On the fifth day I gave in and BINGED on sugar foods like it was my last day on earth. Anyways I stepped on the scale after one night of sugar binge.. I gained all six pounds back. Wow. So I figured it was all water weight. How long does it take to start getting into those fat stores? I heard you don't really lose weight on paleo.. you just don't gain any. Is this true? I need to lose just that last bit of stubborn fat to get lean. Any suggestions? Fasting?

Bf21fb723238775fa323ba58cbac802e

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on August 16, 2011
at 02:22 PM

and maybe my advice is wrong - I just read on paleohacks that someone said to have a fruit ALONE, not with anything. My nutritionist told me not to have a fruit alone as it will spike my blood sugar, but not sure if it is true for everyone...

03f2fb1c6cc60da437adc85027c8a89e

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on July 21, 2011
at 01:12 AM

Why do people have to analyse everything and turn it into something else? Gees, who cares if someone wants to go on a diet to lose fat, no point lying about it, if they don't succeed they don't, the way I see it, some people choose a diet..oops sorry (meant lifestyle)..to get healthy, some just to get lean and there is nothing wrong with that

74f5d2ff6567edd456d31dfb9b92af61

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on February 08, 2011
at 05:06 AM

Thank you, Alan. I appreciate that. It's great to be surrounded by so many intelligent, like-minded people. :)

5de2fffda92c0bf2be7ede10cad55546

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on February 08, 2011
at 04:16 AM

@Kaz, that's a really great answer. I wish it could be a "sticky" for everyone to read. A lot of people are under the impression that this is a "diet" to be followed for a few months before returning to their old SAD WOE. Once you're in the mindset that this is how you are going to eat for the rest of your life, (with minor tweeking) the better you will feel.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

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on January 20, 2011
at 02:44 PM

I had a glass of wine last night with dinner and no water retention today! AWESOME.

74f5d2ff6567edd456d31dfb9b92af61

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on January 20, 2011
at 03:37 AM

I agree, Melissa. I almost never hear of a man refer to "bingeing," especially not in the context that a woman does. If they do over-eat, the usually don't associate it with guilt, either. Despite this, both genders to fall victim to EDs; it's just how we classify it that's different.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

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on January 20, 2011
at 02:48 AM

I absolutely got the same feeling. I think men don't think of them as "eating disorders" though as much as women do.

74f5d2ff6567edd456d31dfb9b92af61

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on January 20, 2011
at 12:06 AM

Thank you for adding to this, WayfinderAli. :) I think you were able to pick up on the same things I did, but you articulated them much better than I could.

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on January 19, 2011
at 11:27 PM

@mac389: I think that Kaz came to that conclusion from 3 things the poster said: 1. that 4 days is the longest Bronson has been on a diet 2. he or she has a pretty impatient and unrealistic view of weight loss="I just need to get those last few pounds off" as if paleo for 2 weeks will get it off and somehow it will stay off after going back on SAD and 3. the binge itself after 4 days. I think eating disorders aren't just limited to anorexia and bulimia. I think it applies to anyone whose got mental or emotional problems dealing in regards to food.

74f5d2ff6567edd456d31dfb9b92af61

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on January 19, 2011
at 11:23 PM

Mac389, I'm going off the fact that he struggles with recurrent binges. It sounds like a classic case of BED-COE to me. I admit, I see a bit of myself in him, and I've struggled with binge eating in the past. I'm also basing it off the possible false premise that this Bronson is the same as this one: http://paleohacks.com/questions/18717/foods-highest-in-fat/18785#18785, who has since not returned to paleohacks since asking his binge-eating question. I hope I'm addressing the correct person here. :)

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on January 19, 2011
at 10:10 PM

@Kaz: Why do you think Bronson has an eating disorder? I didn't catch that from the post.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

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on January 19, 2011
at 06:20 PM

I'm adding it back in because I'm not interested in losing anymore, just maintenance. It was a happy day. I just need to make sure it's not affecting water retention too much. Nothing better than a wonderful glass of red while I am cooking delicious meat.

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

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on January 19, 2011
at 06:03 PM

I drink 1 glass whenever I feel like it, probably 4 days a week. It's not good for weight loss, probably bot good for overall health despite some studies, but it lowers MY stress significantly and makes me happy, so I compromise

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on January 19, 2011
at 05:25 PM

stop binging on crap. just decide not to. make a mature decision. you're the only one that can decide and take the path to a more comfortable you.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

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on January 19, 2011
at 04:57 PM

So, you don't drink wine on your high carb days? I am just adding red wine back in, but I do have a water retention problem sometimes. This past weekend it didn't seem to affect me, which was exciting. I am looking forward to experimenting with what the after affects of wine is with different food combos.

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74f5d2ff6567edd456d31dfb9b92af61

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on January 19, 2011
at 05:30 PM

Something important to remember here is that you are not "on" a paleo diet. I know you're not trying to be rude, but I find that as offensive as somebody accusing me of being GF to shed a few pounds. I eat paleo because if I eat SAD, I get sick. I am not "on" a diet; I'm eating according to what's best for my body, for the rest of my life, not just for a week to slim up.

You need to stop being "on" diets, especially with your propensity to binge. Being "on" any diet triggers a restriction response in your brain which results in a subsequent binge. The binge/restrict cycle is a vicious one, and until you stop going on diets, your brain and body will never trust you. You need to approach paleo as a lifestyle, something permanent that you can live with for the rest of your life, not just some quick fix to shed a few pounds. If paleo isn't sustainable for you, then perhaps you ought not to attempt it until you are able to fix your BED (binge-eating disorder).

I don't mean to imply that you ought not be paleo, or that paleo is a diet or a fad, but it feel as though you are approaching it in that manner. You have much deeper issues and right now being "on" any diet is not good for your mental health.

It seems as though you are not mentally ready to be paleo, and until you are able to work through those issues that are motivating you to binge, you need to ditch the diet mentality and give yourself NO forbidden foods. I assure you, once sweets and pastries lose their verboten appeal, you'll stop bingeing on them. However, right now you're not "allowing" yourself to eat them, which makes them all the more alluring. Permit yourself to eat cakes and sweets, but remind yourself of how rubbish they make you feel, then CHOOSE not to eat them for /yourself/ -- I used to binge on cakes and cookies and ice cream because I never "allowed" myself sweets; I'd pay for it in the following week with bloating, constipation, acne...the list goes on. However, by no means should you make a "good food" and "bad food" list because right now, you are too vulnerable to adhere to any rigid, restrictive diet.

I wish you the best and hope you're able to work your way through whatever is hurting you and overcome your eating disorder. :)

74f5d2ff6567edd456d31dfb9b92af61

(5227)

on January 19, 2011
at 11:23 PM

Mac389, I'm going off the fact that he struggles with recurrent binges. It sounds like a classic case of BED-COE to me. I admit, I see a bit of myself in him, and I've struggled with binge eating in the past. I'm also basing it off the possible false premise that this Bronson is the same as this one: http://paleohacks.com/questions/18717/foods-highest-in-fat/18785#18785, who has since not returned to paleohacks since asking his binge-eating question. I hope I'm addressing the correct person here. :)

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(2169)

on January 19, 2011
at 11:27 PM

@mac389: I think that Kaz came to that conclusion from 3 things the poster said: 1. that 4 days is the longest Bronson has been on a diet 2. he or she has a pretty impatient and unrealistic view of weight loss="I just need to get those last few pounds off" as if paleo for 2 weeks will get it off and somehow it will stay off after going back on SAD and 3. the binge itself after 4 days. I think eating disorders aren't just limited to anorexia and bulimia. I think it applies to anyone whose got mental or emotional problems dealing in regards to food.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on January 20, 2011
at 02:48 AM

I absolutely got the same feeling. I think men don't think of them as "eating disorders" though as much as women do.

4e40d2b9e1a762949a25b958762aa10d

(762)

on January 19, 2011
at 10:10 PM

@Kaz: Why do you think Bronson has an eating disorder? I didn't catch that from the post.

74f5d2ff6567edd456d31dfb9b92af61

(5227)

on January 20, 2011
at 03:37 AM

I agree, Melissa. I almost never hear of a man refer to "bingeing," especially not in the context that a woman does. If they do over-eat, the usually don't associate it with guilt, either. Despite this, both genders to fall victim to EDs; it's just how we classify it that's different.

74f5d2ff6567edd456d31dfb9b92af61

(5227)

on January 20, 2011
at 12:06 AM

Thank you for adding to this, WayfinderAli. :) I think you were able to pick up on the same things I did, but you articulated them much better than I could.

74f5d2ff6567edd456d31dfb9b92af61

(5227)

on February 08, 2011
at 05:06 AM

Thank you, Alan. I appreciate that. It's great to be surrounded by so many intelligent, like-minded people. :)

5de2fffda92c0bf2be7ede10cad55546

(1781)

on February 08, 2011
at 04:16 AM

@Kaz, that's a really great answer. I wish it could be a "sticky" for everyone to read. A lot of people are under the impression that this is a "diet" to be followed for a few months before returning to their old SAD WOE. Once you're in the mindset that this is how you are going to eat for the rest of your life, (with minor tweeking) the better you will feel.

03f2fb1c6cc60da437adc85027c8a89e

(50)

on July 21, 2011
at 01:12 AM

Why do people have to analyse everything and turn it into something else? Gees, who cares if someone wants to go on a diet to lose fat, no point lying about it, if they don't succeed they don't, the way I see it, some people choose a diet..oops sorry (meant lifestyle)..to get healthy, some just to get lean and there is nothing wrong with that

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15e684f6f716f88c99f641098a6e06ca

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on January 19, 2011
at 04:20 PM

I heard you don't really lose weight on paleo.. you just don't gain any. Is this true?

I'm down over 35 pounds and dropped from a 44 waist to a 40 waist in a bit over 3 months.

I assure you that's not all water weight but sure if you lose six pounds in your first 4 days then you can assume some of it was. Along the same lines, I lost 15 pounds in my first 2 weeks and a more reasonable 20 pounds in the following 12 weeks.

Do it for a month and see where you're at and probably forget about the Warrior thing for now. You want this to be sustainable for more than 4 days. I'd say adjust to paleo for a while first before experimenting with occasional intermittent fasting.

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7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

on January 19, 2011
at 04:42 PM

I need to lose just that last bit of stubborn fat to get lean. Any suggestions? Fasting?

Not binging on the sugar food is probably the best way to move forward. If you can't make it four days without "giving in", you have a lot more work to do before you worry about leaning out.

If you can tough it out and stick to true Paleo eating for a month, you will have less of the urges to binge on the sugar food. Work with yourself, talk yourself out of it. It's worth it. Right now, fasting is more likely to cause you to binge when you come off of a long fast. Eat good food. Exercise smart.

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4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

on January 19, 2011
at 04:23 PM

all that sugar you ingested has your body holding water. If you back off the carbs, youll watch those pounds melt back off. If I go carb heavy, I retain water.

I have a glass of Cabernet with a low carb day and its all gone in the morning.

as for losing that last little bit, we have posts all over explaining the how-to.

http://paleohacks.com/questions/19501/what-paleo-foods-should-i-avoid-while-leaning-out/19508#19508

http://paleohacks.com/questions/18531/plateaued-or-stalled-help/18541#18541

http://paleohacks.com/questions/14315/portion-size-question-and-fat-loss/14316#14316

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22923)

on January 19, 2011
at 06:03 PM

I drink 1 glass whenever I feel like it, probably 4 days a week. It's not good for weight loss, probably bot good for overall health despite some studies, but it lowers MY stress significantly and makes me happy, so I compromise

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on January 19, 2011
at 04:57 PM

So, you don't drink wine on your high carb days? I am just adding red wine back in, but I do have a water retention problem sometimes. This past weekend it didn't seem to affect me, which was exciting. I am looking forward to experimenting with what the after affects of wine is with different food combos.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on January 20, 2011
at 02:44 PM

I had a glass of wine last night with dinner and no water retention today! AWESOME.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on January 19, 2011
at 06:20 PM

I'm adding it back in because I'm not interested in losing anymore, just maintenance. It was a happy day. I just need to make sure it's not affecting water retention too much. Nothing better than a wonderful glass of red while I am cooking delicious meat.

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691f120a3e7a1a036845d105d86c99a3

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on January 19, 2011
at 04:39 PM

This is not really a serious response but my comment got long:

Water weighs about 8.35 pounds a gallon.

My beer belly weighed about 30 pounds.

Thus if I lost all my beer belly, and you only lose water on Paleo:

I lost about 3.5 gallons of beer I had been storing in my beer belly for years.

For optimal evaporation you need to avoid binging on sugar. Try 30 days of no sugar and sub 50 carbs a day no cheating. You could see 5 lbs of beer evaporate in that time period.

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Bf21fb723238775fa323ba58cbac802e

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on August 16, 2011
at 01:28 PM

Hi all - what a great community. I just found you. I was recently diagnosed with PCOS after over a decade of being extremely overweight and not understanding why (PCOS can make you extremely insulin resistant). No doctor ever told me what was wrong, they just said I was lazy (even though I was hardly eating and walking 5 miles a day!)

Anyway, for the OP and anyone else who cares to know - and this may be covered in other threads as I am newnd dont know my way around yet - now that I am Paleo, if ever (rarely) I have a sugar craving, I have So Delicious sugar free, dairy free cocnut milk ice cream. Delicious, sweet, creamy (no I dont work for them, ha!) - they use monk fruit to sweeten it.

Of course binging is a separate issue - I'd assume not only the psychological feeling of "I can't eat what I want" - but also possible hormones/blood sugar fluctuations are causing the cravings and subsequent binging. Maybe your blood sugar got so low that you tried to overcompensate.

Next time try a piece of fruit, slowly, with a nut butter. I used to get the urge to eat 3-4 tiny candy bars (which adds up if yo uhave em every day) before Paleo, when i didnt know I had PCOS - that would happen when my blood sugar dipped big time, every day at 3.30 pm. I'd crave sugar like clockwork.

Now with Paleo, plus Metformin which I'm hoping to get off, I dont crave the sugar anymore. So if your body gets hormonally, neurochemically and blood sugar balanced, you may not experience the cravings anymore. but know in advance how to manage them so when they hit you dont feel out of control - coconut sigar free ice cream, fruit, and probably people here have better suggestions.

I definitely agree that not looking at this as a diet but a lifestyle is empowering. This has been a gift and if it works I will stick with it for life. So far I have lost 13 pounds in a week and two days - I assume a lot of it is water weight! But still - I can tell a difference and can only hope it continues. Good luck to all!

Bf21fb723238775fa323ba58cbac802e

(15)

on August 16, 2011
at 02:22 PM

and maybe my advice is wrong - I just read on paleohacks that someone said to have a fruit ALONE, not with anything. My nutritionist told me not to have a fruit alone as it will spike my blood sugar, but not sure if it is true for everyone...

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04293f705870e1837b8670d3c1cd5f67

on January 19, 2011
at 05:38 PM

Yes, you can lose weight on the Paleo Diet. It works for me and my mother. My mother cannot exercise due to her emphysema, so she HAD to change her SAD diet to get any weight loss.

Paleo is so darn satiating. (meaning it satsify's your belly)

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