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Vomiting after eating non paleo?

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Created June 15, 2011 at 2:12 AM

So today ate some "candied" pecans, maybe a half cup of them on an empty stomach after being pretty strict paleo and not eating nuts. I had almost an instant stomach ache and then bad diarrhea and vomiting until my stomach was empty and feel much better.

What do you think is the probability of my body rejecting the sugar vs. maybe just bad nuts?

095ef76482234d3db444b77d7ed01c29

(2755)

on June 23, 2011
at 03:13 PM

Amerindian, I agree at how sad it is to see it. LOL, over here on the Cherokee Reservation, I'm the white seminole. My mother is seminole and my father...well I got my light hair and blue eyes from him. :) What is sad to me is when I see the people my age now who would come to my school 25 years ago and kill us in football, basketball, etc... now they are all diabetics, in renal failure, on dialysis... dying slowly... and all from eating the wrong foods. I'm not even half btw... my mother is 1/2 seminole and 1/4 cherokee...the rest is european/mostly italian.

34b560c8b9ce660d7839fb7e29d7be89

on June 18, 2011
at 09:26 AM

Additionally I've noticed my brother, who is full NA, had some awesome success when I introduced him to paleo stopped taking a littany of med's. But couldn't resist the lure of disgusting chewy, sugary candy and pasta. It was like crack to him, he even quit the HIIT I showed him and started doing this low-fat low-impact cardio crap. He's the fattest he's ever been now and back on most of the med's he came off. It's sad because he's one of the most athletic people I've ever known. Sucks to see a natural 175 lb.er at 250+ even if he does school people in basketball.

34b560c8b9ce660d7839fb7e29d7be89

on June 18, 2011
at 09:15 AM

Hey thanks for the lengthy response. I really have so few people to discuss this with. Full disclosure I'm only half NA, but my father being of European decent actually has gluten allergies, not that it stops him from eating wheat daily he's a typical ectomorph, been 5'10" and 165 +/- 5 lbs. almost his entire adult life. Me on the other hand am for some reason 6'3" 310 and can put on 8 lbs just looking at a plate of pasta. But my folks are raising my cousin's two boys that are under 12 y.o. and very overweight. It's like pulling teeth to get them to cut back on any bread/pasta/etc...

095ef76482234d3db444b77d7ed01c29

(2755)

on June 17, 2011
at 11:46 PM

And since teaching his bio father about this way of eating... he's getting healthier too. Dammit. :( Oh well... better luck next time. Maybe I should have kept my boy at home and told his father to eat castor beans and lima beans with corn every day.

095ef76482234d3db444b77d7ed01c29

(2755)

on June 17, 2011
at 11:44 PM

Use insluin any more...nor metformin...nor even french lilac (an old world "witchcraft" herb used to treat DM, prevent some cancers, and a few other things...(french lilac and metformin are the same thing BTW). My boy is 1/2 cherokee, 1/2 white... so he's more succeptable to the damage from the modern diet than I am. You, being native, are at higher risk for modern foods, neolithic foods, grain based poisons, etc... than someone of more Middle Eastern or European ancestry would be.

095ef76482234d3db444b77d7ed01c29

(2755)

on June 17, 2011
at 11:41 PM

Your body...they will take care of you, they will fix it. Hence the sorry state of health for American Indians today. Less incentive to take care of one's self...and being poisoned by foods that the chance for natural selection to adapt people for didn't happen to because the "change" to a more neolithic, then even worse...modern SAD diet until more recently. So yeah, although I'm only 1/4 Seminole and 1/8 cherokee, I'm still succeptable to illness from this kind of food...that's where I believe the IDDM and MS came from. Once these foods were eleminated...I got better, I don't even have

095ef76482234d3db444b77d7ed01c29

(2755)

on June 17, 2011
at 11:38 PM

Well it's like this. My European ancestors had between 12 and 17 thousand years for natural selection to adapt to the neolithic, agricultural way of life. Those who couldn't survive on it, died and didn't pass on their DNA. Over time, my white ancestors got able to survive quite well on a grain based diet. Good for them? Well, I think the sorry state of the world's health says not, but they survived. My AI ancestors, were "civilized" over the barrel of a gun only a few hundred years ago. Then along came modern medicine, insulin, free health care (so that it doesn't matter what you do to

34b560c8b9ce660d7839fb7e29d7be89

on June 16, 2011
at 10:28 PM

Same here, I wonder if it's a coincidence that I'm native american as well. I don't experience the vomiting but nausea for sure.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

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on June 15, 2011
at 03:53 PM

okeedoke, thanks.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on June 15, 2011
at 12:13 PM

Frosting has trans-fat in it for one thing. Probably some nasty dye colors in there too. And who knows what all else.

Aa1d5fbb9d8051538161c9a03afd384e

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on June 15, 2011
at 07:04 AM

I'm with you Tomas. "almost an instant stomach ache and then bad diarrhea": to me it sounds just like an eating disorder...

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on June 15, 2011
at 04:46 AM

GAPS is excellent. That's the best advice I can give you. Inulin and probiotics are fabulous for keeping the gut healthy but people in your situation might be made worse by them. Do what feels right and do consider GAPS.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on June 15, 2011
at 04:34 AM

Hey Stabby, I think I need to heal my gut, and i'm not sure i'm down for a full-on GAPS run. yet. Can you tell me more, or point me in a direction that will give me some more info on what you're recommending about the inulin/gelatin and stuff? Do you have any thoughts on probiotic/fermented foods vis-a-vis gut-health/permeability? I react really badly to most of them now - my M.O. has been to avoid.

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on June 15, 2011
at 04:34 AM

It was a crappy one from the store. You are probably right it was all the other horrible stuff in it!

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on June 15, 2011
at 03:12 AM

Vomiting can be a sign of IgE mediated allergy. Those are the "real" allergies, not the intolerances. http://www.aaaai.org/patients/publicedmat/tips/foodallergy.stm

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on June 15, 2011
at 03:07 AM

I agree with this. I remember when my husband and I ate kosher for a few years, just the smell of Bacon or the thought of cheese on my ground beef made me want to vomit. I remember when we stopped eating kosher my first shellfish after a few years actually did make me vomit. I was convinced I had food poisoning (even though that takes at least 8 hours to really take hold.) It was just in my head because I was indoctrinated to think it was "unclean."

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on June 15, 2011
at 02:59 AM

That's probably smart.

Ab0369a70755bd07f44292b4ca8b2260

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on June 15, 2011
at 02:52 AM

I've not had an issue with sugar in the past and I'm not obsessive about the Paleo so don't think it was mental. I'm not planning to eat anything until tomorrow, just to be sure my stomach is better.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on June 15, 2011
at 02:47 AM

What kind of cake? A good one or one of those crappy ones people get at grocery stores (or make from boxes)? I would be highly surprised that sugar were the culprit. It's not quite as evil as it is made out to be.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on June 15, 2011
at 02:32 AM

If it was anything, it was that the nuts were rancid. I know that people hate it when I say this, but it may be a psychological reaction also. A little bit of sugar is not going to normally cause this. Why don't you try something else with sugar that you know is fresh? That way, you can see if it is the sugar that's causing the problem.

Ab0369a70755bd07f44292b4ca8b2260

(1579)

on June 15, 2011
at 02:52 AM

I've not had an issue with sugar in the past and I'm not obsessive about the Paleo so don't think it was mental. I'm not planning to eat anything until tomorrow, just to be sure my stomach is better.

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

(10904)

on June 15, 2011
at 03:07 AM

I agree with this. I remember when my husband and I ate kosher for a few years, just the smell of Bacon or the thought of cheese on my ground beef made me want to vomit. I remember when we stopped eating kosher my first shellfish after a few years actually did make me vomit. I was convinced I had food poisoning (even though that takes at least 8 hours to really take hold.) It was just in my head because I was indoctrinated to think it was "unclean."

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on June 15, 2011
at 02:59 AM

That's probably smart.

Aa1d5fbb9d8051538161c9a03afd384e

(226)

on June 15, 2011
at 07:04 AM

I'm with you Tomas. "almost an instant stomach ache and then bad diarrhea": to me it sounds just like an eating disorder...

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9a5e2da94ad63ea3186dfa494e16a8d1

on June 15, 2011
at 03:07 PM

I've gotten very sensitive to sugar and processed food substances after only a couple of months on Paleo. My wife brought home those Boston Fruit Slices (basically corn syrup in the shape of little fruit slices, like gum drops). I used to love them as a kid, and in a weak moment I had a couple. They tasted terrible, like plastic and food dye, and I felt like the inside of my throat and stomach were coated with varnish for about an hour. This might have been from the food colorings and stabilizers more than the sugar.

Another time I had a couple of malted milk balls (same thing, used to love them as a kid). Rather than being a treat, they tasted gross, and I was in the bathroom about 30 minutes later.

Another time I nibbled at some dried mango we have for the kids lunches, I did not realize how much sugar is in that. I had about a piece and a half and could literally feel the insulin surge, I felt a tingling below my sternum (my pancreas?) and felt something rush around my blood stream, and got a little dizzy (sugar rush). It was not a nice feeling. I looked at the label and 2 slices had 24g of sugar -- about 6 teaspoons I think! That is more sugar than I've had in the past 2 months combined.

These days I won't even lick my fingers clean if I am making something for the kids that is sugary.

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095ef76482234d3db444b77d7ed01c29

(2755)

on June 15, 2011
at 01:31 PM

It's probably the sugar. Just anecdotal evidence here, but then most of the primal / paleo evidence is just anecdotal. My boy has to be allowed to see his father on occasion...grrr... Anyway, I got myself a fat little Indian boy 3 years ago when I married his mother. I put him on a primal type eating program just like I am. The boy is now full of energy, feels great all the time, is slender and athletic, strong as any 9 year old should be...and doing great...much better than the sluggish, lazy, sleepy, fat 6 year old I met. Of course parental involvement, taking him out to play, taking him to run sprints and making a game of it, playing ball, etc... didn't hurt at all either.

But back on topic... When he goes to his father's house for a weekend he comes home sick. The culprit? Pasta, pizza, burritos, and ice cream. The same reason his grandparents no longer get to see him...we were tired of them bringing him back sick as in nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea for 2-3 days. When I remind his father how all humans, especially Native Americans, Indians, or whatever the proper word is these days should be eating... he says, "oh yeah, right, I forgot that's probably why all my family died from diabetes." Then does better for the next couple of visits.

Then back to eating bad and getting a sick child home a couple of months later.

I mean if the man wants to eat that stuff and croak himself over sooner...just better for me and my family...then I don't have to share my boy (hey, he is mine now)... But I do wish he wouldn't do this to my kid... But since it's his kid too, I can't stop him. But the anecdotal evidence for how the body rejects the "bad" foods is pretty clear in him.

*NOTE* When my Checz wife eats that stuff, after being primal with me for a year, it's not so rough on her, even though she doesn't feel well for a day afterwards. But my daughter (Scotch Irish, Cherokee, and Seminole like me) gets ill when she eats it, the boy child does too, and so do I.

34b560c8b9ce660d7839fb7e29d7be89

on June 16, 2011
at 10:28 PM

Same here, I wonder if it's a coincidence that I'm native american as well. I don't experience the vomiting but nausea for sure.

095ef76482234d3db444b77d7ed01c29

(2755)

on June 17, 2011
at 11:41 PM

Your body...they will take care of you, they will fix it. Hence the sorry state of health for American Indians today. Less incentive to take care of one's self...and being poisoned by foods that the chance for natural selection to adapt people for didn't happen to because the "change" to a more neolithic, then even worse...modern SAD diet until more recently. So yeah, although I'm only 1/4 Seminole and 1/8 cherokee, I'm still succeptable to illness from this kind of food...that's where I believe the IDDM and MS came from. Once these foods were eleminated...I got better, I don't even have

095ef76482234d3db444b77d7ed01c29

(2755)

on June 17, 2011
at 11:46 PM

And since teaching his bio father about this way of eating... he's getting healthier too. Dammit. :( Oh well... better luck next time. Maybe I should have kept my boy at home and told his father to eat castor beans and lima beans with corn every day.

34b560c8b9ce660d7839fb7e29d7be89

on June 18, 2011
at 09:15 AM

Hey thanks for the lengthy response. I really have so few people to discuss this with. Full disclosure I'm only half NA, but my father being of European decent actually has gluten allergies, not that it stops him from eating wheat daily he's a typical ectomorph, been 5'10" and 165 +/- 5 lbs. almost his entire adult life. Me on the other hand am for some reason 6'3" 310 and can put on 8 lbs just looking at a plate of pasta. But my folks are raising my cousin's two boys that are under 12 y.o. and very overweight. It's like pulling teeth to get them to cut back on any bread/pasta/etc...

095ef76482234d3db444b77d7ed01c29

(2755)

on June 17, 2011
at 11:38 PM

Well it's like this. My European ancestors had between 12 and 17 thousand years for natural selection to adapt to the neolithic, agricultural way of life. Those who couldn't survive on it, died and didn't pass on their DNA. Over time, my white ancestors got able to survive quite well on a grain based diet. Good for them? Well, I think the sorry state of the world's health says not, but they survived. My AI ancestors, were "civilized" over the barrel of a gun only a few hundred years ago. Then along came modern medicine, insulin, free health care (so that it doesn't matter what you do to

34b560c8b9ce660d7839fb7e29d7be89

on June 18, 2011
at 09:26 AM

Additionally I've noticed my brother, who is full NA, had some awesome success when I introduced him to paleo stopped taking a littany of med's. But couldn't resist the lure of disgusting chewy, sugary candy and pasta. It was like crack to him, he even quit the HIIT I showed him and started doing this low-fat low-impact cardio crap. He's the fattest he's ever been now and back on most of the med's he came off. It's sad because he's one of the most athletic people I've ever known. Sucks to see a natural 175 lb.er at 250+ even if he does school people in basketball.

095ef76482234d3db444b77d7ed01c29

(2755)

on June 17, 2011
at 11:44 PM

Use insluin any more...nor metformin...nor even french lilac (an old world "witchcraft" herb used to treat DM, prevent some cancers, and a few other things...(french lilac and metformin are the same thing BTW). My boy is 1/2 cherokee, 1/2 white... so he's more succeptable to the damage from the modern diet than I am. You, being native, are at higher risk for modern foods, neolithic foods, grain based poisons, etc... than someone of more Middle Eastern or European ancestry would be.

095ef76482234d3db444b77d7ed01c29

(2755)

on June 23, 2011
at 03:13 PM

Amerindian, I agree at how sad it is to see it. LOL, over here on the Cherokee Reservation, I'm the white seminole. My mother is seminole and my father...well I got my light hair and blue eyes from him. :) What is sad to me is when I see the people my age now who would come to my school 25 years ago and kill us in football, basketball, etc... now they are all diabetics, in renal failure, on dialysis... dying slowly... and all from eating the wrong foods. I'm not even half btw... my mother is 1/2 seminole and 1/4 cherokee...the rest is european/mostly italian.

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Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on June 15, 2011
at 02:25 AM

I have a hypothesis that the gut tends to go into a stoical mode after all of the abuse on the SAD. We only have pain mechanisms to get us to stop doing stupid stuff that gets us hurt, but it makes little evolutionary sense that if someone is forced to subside on junk (grains were paleo, but only if we were starving) to make them hurt, that makes an organism much less effective at doing its job. When we detox off of the bad neolithic junk our pain mechanisms reset and when we go back to eating junk it's that "hey that's bad for you don't eat that" response once again.

As for gut health, once you're back on paleo and feeling good I think you should take fermentable fiber (like inulin) and plenty of gelatin to give your gut more resilience, they tend to heal it for good. I definitely feel it when I eat junk wheat and stuff like that but it's not as bad as it was, I attribute it to fixing the gut. Paleo doesn't necessarily fix the gut, only take the antagonists away. Paleo can fix the gut but I think too much methionine and not enough glycine as well as too little fiber (not always necessary to have fiber for good health, but it definitely helps) can be paleo downfalls that make us less resilient to neolithic baddies.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on June 15, 2011
at 04:34 AM

Hey Stabby, I think I need to heal my gut, and i'm not sure i'm down for a full-on GAPS run. yet. Can you tell me more, or point me in a direction that will give me some more info on what you're recommending about the inulin/gelatin and stuff? Do you have any thoughts on probiotic/fermented foods vis-a-vis gut-health/permeability? I react really badly to most of them now - my M.O. has been to avoid.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on June 15, 2011
at 04:46 AM

GAPS is excellent. That's the best advice I can give you. Inulin and probiotics are fabulous for keeping the gut healthy but people in your situation might be made worse by them. Do what feels right and do consider GAPS.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on June 15, 2011
at 03:53 PM

okeedoke, thanks.

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on June 15, 2011
at 04:26 AM

Sugar can certainly have this kind of effect, not on everyone and not all the time. Combined with other crap food it can overwhelm a person. People will react as per their unique physical % mental dispositions at the time.

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Fd6828063b88c5a50e43a09f2cd51e51

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on June 15, 2011
at 02:40 AM

I have eaten very strict for 6 months. Last weekend I decided to eat some birthday cake with a lot of icing. Within 30 minutes I was really nauseas and the vomited until my stomach was empty. I felt bad until the next day too. I learned my lesson with the sugar.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

(20436)

on June 15, 2011
at 12:13 PM

Frosting has trans-fat in it for one thing. Probably some nasty dye colors in there too. And who knows what all else.

Fd6828063b88c5a50e43a09f2cd51e51

(0)

on June 15, 2011
at 04:34 AM

It was a crappy one from the store. You are probably right it was all the other horrible stuff in it!

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on June 15, 2011
at 02:47 AM

What kind of cake? A good one or one of those crappy ones people get at grocery stores (or make from boxes)? I would be highly surprised that sugar were the culprit. It's not quite as evil as it is made out to be.

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