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Vegan Paleo - can it be done?

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Created March 28, 2011 at 1:43 PM

So I found this article this morning and it doesn't make any sense to me - aren't soy products ultimately detrimental to one's health?

I can understand wanting to eat vegan for an animal welfare standpoint, but I can't justify killing oneself (however slowly) just so that an animal which will be slaughtered anyway will still be ultimately slaughtered for someone else to eat.

http://www.livestrong.com/article/401432-vegan-paleo-diet/

What do you guys think?

3327924660b1e2f8f8fc4ca27fedf2b2

(2919)

on April 27, 2012
at 12:46 PM

Source for the inference that there were vegan Paleolithic people who didn't die off within a year?

0eba2cda101e1ef460ca0291aeb2e975

(120)

on April 19, 2012
at 10:34 PM

I'm a vegan, I can't remember what the specific variety of veganism is called, but the type that eats meat on a daily basis :P

F040035b2008ec80b205481afbd39ad4

(1837)

on March 21, 2012
at 08:43 AM

Indeed there have been several ice ages and seasonal variation of ice cover within each. Tubers, veg, fruit and nuts DO qualify as paleo. How can I best phrase this? 'Abstinence from a principle food source such as meat is not paleo'.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on March 21, 2012
at 01:18 AM

Any evidence this happened?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on March 21, 2012
at 01:15 AM

Source for the claim that no Paleolithic era peoples subsisted off a plant based diet that lacked access to meat?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on March 21, 2012
at 01:11 AM

I'm with AC. There are plenty of cultures that aren't big game hunters. I hate dip-shit stuff like this.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on March 21, 2012
at 01:07 AM

You get that the ice age didn't cover the whole planet right? There were lots of zones that were dry and arid etc... just because some migrated out of Africa doesn't mean everyone did. I also fail to see how eating Tubers, veg, fruit and nuts would not qualify as a Paleo-style diet (modern usage of Paleo).

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on September 04, 2011
at 02:03 PM

Are you vegan or vegetarian? Dairy and potatoes are paleo approved by most and can make the bases for a pretty solid diet imo. If your full on vegan supplements+paleo plant foods could make a decent diet.

Medium avatar

(154)

on September 04, 2011
at 01:59 PM

Regarding the raw veganism issue, there are studies and experiments that indicate one of the big leaps in human evolution is the nutrients released from food when it is cooked. They've done experiments with animals (such as where they feed snakes cooked vs. uncooked meat) and the animals who ate cooked food, expended less energy when resting because they didn't need to get more food all the time. Great link here on a BBC Documentary: http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/cooking-human/

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on September 04, 2011
at 01:57 PM

it depends where you live korion, you could easily eat raw vegan all year in a tropical zone.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on September 04, 2011
at 01:00 PM

Storm probably doesn't call his diet paleo though, he says he eats raw vegan. Paleo might not include meat and dairy, but I challenge you to eat raw vegan during the winter. It wouldn't be a lot of fun. Unless you eat imported vegetables and fruits all the time. But that ain't paleo. Maybe nuts? I don't think anyone who eats only nuts is very healthy.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on September 04, 2011
at 09:05 AM

this is a good answer. Why give it a downvote?! Its answers the qeustion. The question is not are there healthy vegans? Some people here answer on a question which snt asked? If there is a vegan period in paelo time. You can label it veganpaleo why not.

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

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on September 04, 2011
at 07:40 AM

I think it is a basic human right to decide what food actually nourishes your body. Any organization/religion that puts limits on your ability to nourish yourself is violating your human rights. I hate to "go there" but a common tactic with cults is to limit protein and fat in adherents diets because it reduces the ability for rational thought and the floaty/spacey feeling from vitamin and mineral deficiencies are interpreted as religious experience.

3327924660b1e2f8f8fc4ca27fedf2b2

(2919)

on September 04, 2011
at 07:13 AM

Except vegans don't eat any animals or anything derived from animals so no, insects aren't vegan. "Real" vegans even avoid chitosan (which is often made from crushed beetles or something like that) or red food coloring.

7d0c3ea9bf8be00b93e6433d8f125ac3

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on September 04, 2011
at 07:07 AM

By the way, it's ok to eat dairy if you tolerate it well. It's miles better than soy for a protein source.

7d0c3ea9bf8be00b93e6433d8f125ac3

(7540)

on September 04, 2011
at 07:06 AM

Maybe you should evaluate how important it is to you to have a healthy body. A diet where all your protein comes from soy is likely to be detrimental to your health eventually. Veganism really doesn't seem to be a healthy, appropriate diet for humans. If nothing else, the B12 issue is pretty good evidence of that. Also, what religious beliefs require veganism (instead of the more common vegetarianism)?

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on May 13, 2011
at 11:05 PM

@Asclepius: More like claiming to be promiscuous but without doing any foreplay ever. Odd, but still fits the definition.

Ffc7e0ecad8e8831b528c5d4921377cc

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on May 13, 2011
at 03:57 PM

I agree. We have this image of paleo hunters bringing home a nice big game animal every day. There may have been times and places that happened, especially when people migrated to places like the western hemisphere. But mostly, no. There were eras when people survived by the ocean or streams and mostly lived on what they could catch or collect. In very cold climates and periods, yes, lots of meat. In East Africa, not so much. Don't lump every homo creature for the last 2.5 million years together.

Ffc7e0ecad8e8831b528c5d4921377cc

(942)

on May 13, 2011
at 03:50 PM

Mark Sisson's wife is piscatarian. And by all accounts she is very healthy. Different strokes for different folks I guess.

F040035b2008ec80b205481afbd39ad4

(1837)

on May 13, 2011
at 11:48 AM

'Paleo' comes from 'paleolithic'. The paleolithic heralded the migration of humans out of the savannah of East Africa. The evidence we have is that they were hunter gatherers. They survived an ice-age which would only be possible with recourse to hunting. Cave art from the neolithic depicts hunting. The tools from this time were engineered for hunting and animal-butchery. So being 'paleo' without the fat/meat from hunting is like claiming to be promiscuous but without having sex.

F040035b2008ec80b205481afbd39ad4

(1837)

on May 13, 2011
at 08:47 AM

'Paleo' comes from 'paleolithic'. The paleolithic heralded the migration of humans out of the savannah of East Africa. The evidence we have is that they were hunter gatherers. They survived an ice-age which would only be possible with recourse to hunting. Cave art from the neolithic depicts hunting. The tools from this time were engineered for hunting and animal-butchery. So being 'paleo' without hunting is like claiming to be promiscuous but without having sex.

F040035b2008ec80b205481afbd39ad4

(1837)

on May 13, 2011
at 08:33 AM

'Paleo' comes from 'paleolithic'. The paleolithic heralded the migration of humans out of the savannah of East Africa. The evidence we have is that they were hunter gatherers. The survived an ice-age which would only be possible with recourse to hunting. Cave art from the neolithic depicts hunting. The tools from this time were engineered for hunting and animal-butchery. So being 'paleo' without hunting is like claiming to be promiscuous but without having sex.

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on May 13, 2011
at 12:42 AM

Sensible answer. Thanks.

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on May 13, 2011
at 12:41 AM

Yeah paleo vegan would occasionally include insects, bugs, small mammals, and other humans. Really good insight there, pal.

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on May 13, 2011
at 12:40 AM

OMG everything but fruits, vegetable, and nuts/seeds?? HOLY SHIT that's only like 5,000 million different kinds of foods!!!!11 How could anybody bare it? Google "Storm Talifero". He seems to be doing fine.

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on May 13, 2011
at 12:39 AM

Stupid answer, but fleetingly amusing. Downvoted anyway.

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on May 13, 2011
at 12:37 AM

Uh, why? Care to substantiate?

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on May 13, 2011
at 12:36 AM

***meat OR dairy

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on May 13, 2011
at 12:36 AM

What about Storm Talifero? He eats paleo just without eating meat or dairy and without cooking anything. And he seems to be doing pretty well. How exactly can't there be a 100% vegan paleo diet? Are you using the phrase "paleo diet" such that in its very definition, it includes eating meat and dairy?

E7dc4f2e3998906dd3213973a3c10d50

on May 12, 2011
at 07:20 PM

I love this answer. :D

F040035b2008ec80b205481afbd39ad4

(1837)

on March 29, 2011
at 10:02 AM

There is already confusion about what constitutes a 'paleo diet' - with disagreement over carbohydrate content and dairy etc... Stretching paleo to include a vegan element introduces unneccesary confusion. If you eat meat, vegans will not consider you vegan. Period. If you don't eat foods recogniseable to HG, then it isn't paleo. Period. Livestong's adivce that vegans can "...opt mostly for foods that can be gathered, but supplement with legumes and soy products to ensure a sufficient intake of protein." is basically what vegans do anyway. It is tautological and in no way 'paleo'.

47a42b6be94caf700fce9509e38bb6a4

(9647)

on March 29, 2011
at 07:53 AM

That's a good story. I was going to say that I also know a vegan who says she never gets colds (and I believe her). And I was going to say: must be the no-gluten and the no-industrial oils and the no sugar. But then I remembered that she occasionally eats fish .... I feel like vegan + fish wouldn't be all that bad of a diet. Hope your friend continues to do better ....

65430e39d7e9e9322718d016fe668051

(2944)

on March 28, 2011
at 11:07 PM

@oranges- I live in hawaii and grew up eating nori plain. It's really common here, you can probably find it at your local asian store if not in the asian food isle of most grocery stores.

Aead76beb5fc7b762a6b4ddc234f6051

(15239)

on March 28, 2011
at 08:35 PM

oh totally. my friend who went GF owns a vegan grocery store and has been vegan for about 30 years. she and her husband opened the store and literally sold nothing but vegan junk food (vegan marshmallows, vegan gummie candy, vegan skittles, etc). after going GF, she started eating so radically differently that her store slowly started to transition to vegan healthy food- fermented veggies, bobs red mill, less soy, raw nuts, sea veggies... DEFINITELY a good transition, especially since she had end stage renal disease and a kidney transplant a few years earlier!

9aa2a816c61170cc0183a68be0386ba5

(1702)

on March 28, 2011
at 06:00 PM

Gotta love sushi nori. I need to find a new way to eat it as my favorite nori wrapped crackers are now out of the question.

47a42b6be94caf700fce9509e38bb6a4

(9647)

on March 28, 2011
at 05:54 PM

I feel like I know a lot of vegans who are also gluten-free. I kind of just assumed that was one of the reasons why people who go vegan often report feeling so great for the first time in their lives. (And also because they cut out processed foods.)

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on March 28, 2011
at 04:58 PM

It's hard enough being vegan to get nutritional requirements met. B12 and protein come to mind (along with certain minerals). The mainstay for vegans is beans/soy to get enough protein, which the article mentions. First thing we say to eat on paleo: MEAT - eggs, beef, fish, etc. Kinda hard to follow when you rule all that out (and dairy).

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22913)

on March 28, 2011
at 03:16 PM

algae. mmm. ocean sludge is so tasty.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on March 28, 2011
at 02:31 PM

Very interesting question here with vegetarian/paleo discussion http://paleohacks.com/questions/17059/hopelessly-vegetarian#axzz1Hu8suGXC

9aa2a816c61170cc0183a68be0386ba5

(1702)

on March 28, 2011
at 01:51 PM

That's what I thought, reading the article (especially on such a really well reputed site) I was really confused. This is really bad, then.

F040035b2008ec80b205481afbd39ad4

(1837)

on March 28, 2011
at 01:49 PM

In that case I am a vegan...in between meals! ;)

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Ef9f83cb4e1826261a44c173f733789e

on March 28, 2011
at 01:53 PM

There can't be a 100% vegan paleo diet, but the article says "vegans can adapt some of the principles behind the Paleo Diet," which is correct.

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on May 13, 2011
at 12:36 AM

What about Storm Talifero? He eats paleo just without eating meat or dairy and without cooking anything. And he seems to be doing pretty well. How exactly can't there be a 100% vegan paleo diet? Are you using the phrase "paleo diet" such that in its very definition, it includes eating meat and dairy?

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on May 13, 2011
at 12:36 AM

***meat OR dairy

Medium avatar

(154)

on September 04, 2011
at 01:59 PM

Regarding the raw veganism issue, there are studies and experiments that indicate one of the big leaps in human evolution is the nutrients released from food when it is cooked. They've done experiments with animals (such as where they feed snakes cooked vs. uncooked meat) and the animals who ate cooked food, expended less energy when resting because they didn't need to get more food all the time. Great link here on a BBC Documentary: http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/cooking-human/

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on September 04, 2011
at 01:00 PM

Storm probably doesn't call his diet paleo though, he says he eats raw vegan. Paleo might not include meat and dairy, but I challenge you to eat raw vegan during the winter. It wouldn't be a lot of fun. Unless you eat imported vegetables and fruits all the time. But that ain't paleo. Maybe nuts? I don't think anyone who eats only nuts is very healthy.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on September 04, 2011
at 01:57 PM

it depends where you live korion, you could easily eat raw vegan all year in a tropical zone.

6
F040035b2008ec80b205481afbd39ad4

on March 28, 2011
at 01:45 PM

No. It's an oxymoron.

F040035b2008ec80b205481afbd39ad4

(1837)

on March 29, 2011
at 10:02 AM

There is already confusion about what constitutes a 'paleo diet' - with disagreement over carbohydrate content and dairy etc... Stretching paleo to include a vegan element introduces unneccesary confusion. If you eat meat, vegans will not consider you vegan. Period. If you don't eat foods recogniseable to HG, then it isn't paleo. Period. Livestong's adivce that vegans can "...opt mostly for foods that can be gathered, but supplement with legumes and soy products to ensure a sufficient intake of protein." is basically what vegans do anyway. It is tautological and in no way 'paleo'.

9aa2a816c61170cc0183a68be0386ba5

(1702)

on March 28, 2011
at 01:51 PM

That's what I thought, reading the article (especially on such a really well reputed site) I was really confused. This is really bad, then.

F040035b2008ec80b205481afbd39ad4

(1837)

on May 13, 2011
at 08:33 AM

'Paleo' comes from 'paleolithic'. The paleolithic heralded the migration of humans out of the savannah of East Africa. The evidence we have is that they were hunter gatherers. The survived an ice-age which would only be possible with recourse to hunting. Cave art from the neolithic depicts hunting. The tools from this time were engineered for hunting and animal-butchery. So being 'paleo' without hunting is like claiming to be promiscuous but without having sex.

F040035b2008ec80b205481afbd39ad4

(1837)

on May 13, 2011
at 08:47 AM

'Paleo' comes from 'paleolithic'. The paleolithic heralded the migration of humans out of the savannah of East Africa. The evidence we have is that they were hunter gatherers. They survived an ice-age which would only be possible with recourse to hunting. Cave art from the neolithic depicts hunting. The tools from this time were engineered for hunting and animal-butchery. So being 'paleo' without hunting is like claiming to be promiscuous but without having sex.

F040035b2008ec80b205481afbd39ad4

(1837)

on May 13, 2011
at 11:48 AM

'Paleo' comes from 'paleolithic'. The paleolithic heralded the migration of humans out of the savannah of East Africa. The evidence we have is that they were hunter gatherers. They survived an ice-age which would only be possible with recourse to hunting. Cave art from the neolithic depicts hunting. The tools from this time were engineered for hunting and animal-butchery. So being 'paleo' without the fat/meat from hunting is like claiming to be promiscuous but without having sex.

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on May 13, 2011
at 12:37 AM

Uh, why? Care to substantiate?

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on May 13, 2011
at 11:05 PM

@Asclepius: More like claiming to be promiscuous but without doing any foreplay ever. Odd, but still fits the definition.

F040035b2008ec80b205481afbd39ad4

(1837)

on March 21, 2012
at 08:43 AM

Indeed there have been several ice ages and seasonal variation of ice cover within each. Tubers, veg, fruit and nuts DO qualify as paleo. How can I best phrase this? 'Abstinence from a principle food source such as meat is not paleo'.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on March 21, 2012
at 01:07 AM

You get that the ice age didn't cover the whole planet right? There were lots of zones that were dry and arid etc... just because some migrated out of Africa doesn't mean everyone did. I also fail to see how eating Tubers, veg, fruit and nuts would not qualify as a Paleo-style diet (modern usage of Paleo).

0eba2cda101e1ef460ca0291aeb2e975

(120)

on April 19, 2012
at 10:34 PM

I'm a vegan, I can't remember what the specific variety of veganism is called, but the type that eats meat on a daily basis :P

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2b3edde3c7b9393fe36a2dd9c8acf473

on March 28, 2011
at 01:58 PM

Turning immediately to soybeans for protein is kind of a lazy answer. Off the top of my head, you would probably do better eating a combination of sweet potato, coconut, and mushrooms. It would be fairly easy to get up to a minimal protein intake that way, and would be truly paleo. Obviously you could eat other things as well, but those would be your staples. Good luck finding a vegan source of B12 that is actually paleo, though, since most B12 nowadays is made using genetically engineered bacteria.

Or just don't be vegan. Problem solved.

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22913)

on March 28, 2011
at 03:16 PM

algae. mmm. ocean sludge is so tasty.

9aa2a816c61170cc0183a68be0386ba5

(1702)

on March 28, 2011
at 06:00 PM

Gotta love sushi nori. I need to find a new way to eat it as my favorite nori wrapped crackers are now out of the question.

65430e39d7e9e9322718d016fe668051

(2944)

on March 28, 2011
at 11:07 PM

@oranges- I live in hawaii and grew up eating nori plain. It's really common here, you can probably find it at your local asian store if not in the asian food isle of most grocery stores.

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B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on September 04, 2011
at 12:56 PM

Most vegans don't eat meat because of the "cruelty to animals". That's an ideology that isn't "paleolithic" at all. A caveman with such an ideology wouldn't last long. If you are paleo, you should at least believe that eating animals is totally normal.

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3327924660b1e2f8f8fc4ca27fedf2b2

(2919)

on September 04, 2011
at 07:11 AM

Veganism in general is pretty unhealthy, because if you're not getting a complete source of protein from SOMETHING at least like eggs (the next best thing to meat) then you're not eating a nutritionally complete diet.

Not to mention, the Omega-3 content in a vegetarian or vegan diet is extremely low. As we all know, ALA conversion is inefficient in humans and you can't simply rely on that for your Omega-3s.

Finally, veganism is an oxymoron to Paleo/Primal. Paleo men and women were not vegans and thus vegans are not paleo.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on March 21, 2012
at 01:15 AM

Source for the claim that no Paleolithic era peoples subsisted off a plant based diet that lacked access to meat?

3327924660b1e2f8f8fc4ca27fedf2b2

(2919)

on April 27, 2012
at 12:46 PM

Source for the inference that there were vegan Paleolithic people who didn't die off within a year?

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65430e39d7e9e9322718d016fe668051

(2944)

on May 12, 2011
at 07:05 PM

"Paleo" in today's sense of the word, no obviously not because it's come to mean meet. I personally have no problem with raw/'paleo' (no neolithic foods) vegans. I have friends who swear by raw or mostly raw diets. It works for them. It probably wouldn't work for me/ my body type but I'm going to try it for a week when I get settled down again. I think we should just let the raw/paleo vegans live and stop waving our steaks in front of them. I'm sometimes embarrassed to be put in the paleo box for that reason. I think the veggie chip munching vegetarians are more worth mentioning as not being healthy than a raw/paleo vegan.

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on May 13, 2011
at 12:42 AM

Sensible answer. Thanks.

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6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on May 12, 2011
at 06:59 PM

Sure. Do all the same stuff, just don't eat meat or dairy. I frequently go a few days without having eaten any meat or dairy. Sometimes I even go a day or two eating RAW vegan.

Ffc7e0ecad8e8831b528c5d4921377cc

(942)

on May 13, 2011
at 03:57 PM

I agree. We have this image of paleo hunters bringing home a nice big game animal every day. There may have been times and places that happened, especially when people migrated to places like the western hemisphere. But mostly, no. There were eras when people survived by the ocean or streams and mostly lived on what they could catch or collect. In very cold climates and periods, yes, lots of meat. In East Africa, not so much. Don't lump every homo creature for the last 2.5 million years together.

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C297c27e2469b23a9051cedabf02437b

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on March 28, 2011
at 06:40 PM

It would never be ideal, but maybe you could approximate the diet of one of our ancestors who couldn't hunt but still managed to produce viable offspring. I'm assuming he accomplished the later by trickery, and that the resulting resentment explains why no one shared their meat with him.

E7dc4f2e3998906dd3213973a3c10d50

on May 12, 2011
at 07:20 PM

I love this answer. :D

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on May 13, 2011
at 12:39 AM

Stupid answer, but fleetingly amusing. Downvoted anyway.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on March 21, 2012
at 01:11 AM

I'm with AC. There are plenty of cultures that aren't big game hunters. I hate dip-shit stuff like this.

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Aead76beb5fc7b762a6b4ddc234f6051

(15239)

on March 28, 2011
at 05:04 PM

my husband attempted paleo as a pescatarian and was miserable and hungry. it might be possible for a very short period of time, but certainly not healthy and not sustainable in the long run.

ETA: a very vegan friend of mine did a month GF, and felt great, but couldnt go longer than a month.

47a42b6be94caf700fce9509e38bb6a4

(9647)

on March 28, 2011
at 05:54 PM

I feel like I know a lot of vegans who are also gluten-free. I kind of just assumed that was one of the reasons why people who go vegan often report feeling so great for the first time in their lives. (And also because they cut out processed foods.)

47a42b6be94caf700fce9509e38bb6a4

(9647)

on March 29, 2011
at 07:53 AM

That's a good story. I was going to say that I also know a vegan who says she never gets colds (and I believe her). And I was going to say: must be the no-gluten and the no-industrial oils and the no sugar. But then I remembered that she occasionally eats fish .... I feel like vegan + fish wouldn't be all that bad of a diet. Hope your friend continues to do better ....

Aead76beb5fc7b762a6b4ddc234f6051

(15239)

on March 28, 2011
at 08:35 PM

oh totally. my friend who went GF owns a vegan grocery store and has been vegan for about 30 years. she and her husband opened the store and literally sold nothing but vegan junk food (vegan marshmallows, vegan gummie candy, vegan skittles, etc). after going GF, she started eating so radically differently that her store slowly started to transition to vegan healthy food- fermented veggies, bobs red mill, less soy, raw nuts, sea veggies... DEFINITELY a good transition, especially since she had end stage renal disease and a kidney transplant a few years earlier!

Ffc7e0ecad8e8831b528c5d4921377cc

(942)

on May 13, 2011
at 03:50 PM

Mark Sisson's wife is piscatarian. And by all accounts she is very healthy. Different strokes for different folks I guess.

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9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on March 28, 2011
at 01:47 PM

For short periods of time, I think yes, by relying on roots and fruit. I know people who have done this. But long-term the deficiencies will catch up to you unless you supplement.

Nutrition and Physical Regeneration has a post about Orthodox Christian fasting, which is mostly vegan with some shellfish allowed. I have met a few Orthodox paleos who manage this. Michael isn't paleo and uses lentils. Paleos have to rely on SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much coconut it's ridiculous- like 2-3 cans a day. That plus starch allows one to be OK and maybe even thrive, but it's very difficult to get all that food down the hatch. I've been palel-pescatarian before and you really do have to force yourself to eat a lot of very satiating starch and fat, which can be hard because it's so filling, but if you feel full and haven't gotten enough calories you will feel kind of sick later.

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(1837)

on March 28, 2011
at 01:49 PM

In that case I am a vegan...in between meals! ;)

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on September 04, 2011
at 09:06 AM

If there is an vegan period in paleo time! You can label it Paelo. If there were people eating a vegan diet in praehistoric times, why not call it vegan paleo*

Probably it was limited to some season. Later people start eating animals again.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on March 21, 2012
at 01:18 AM

Any evidence this happened?

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on September 04, 2011
at 07:01 AM

Im a born Vegan, and have to be a vegan because of religious reasons, i read the Paleo Solution by Robb Wolf but i figured that it's based mostly on meat. I don't know what to do. I have to get my proteins from Soy products, I just can't keep up with Vegan Paleo. I tried to eat paleo for a week but I stopped after the 3rd day because I was falling apart. I ate fruits, stir fried vegetables, salads. Things i can't eat > Meat, Fish, Eggs. and when you add paleo to that it greatly reduces eg. No Bread, Potato, Grains, Soy, Dairy. < Those things are basically all I used to eat. I need serious help here. too.

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(7540)

on September 04, 2011
at 07:06 AM

Maybe you should evaluate how important it is to you to have a healthy body. A diet where all your protein comes from soy is likely to be detrimental to your health eventually. Veganism really doesn't seem to be a healthy, appropriate diet for humans. If nothing else, the B12 issue is pretty good evidence of that. Also, what religious beliefs require veganism (instead of the more common vegetarianism)?

7d0c3ea9bf8be00b93e6433d8f125ac3

(7540)

on September 04, 2011
at 07:07 AM

By the way, it's ok to eat dairy if you tolerate it well. It's miles better than soy for a protein source.

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(24553)

on September 04, 2011
at 07:40 AM

I think it is a basic human right to decide what food actually nourishes your body. Any organization/religion that puts limits on your ability to nourish yourself is violating your human rights. I hate to "go there" but a common tactic with cults is to limit protein and fat in adherents diets because it reduces the ability for rational thought and the floaty/spacey feeling from vitamin and mineral deficiencies are interpreted as religious experience.

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(12857)

on September 04, 2011
at 02:03 PM

Are you vegan or vegetarian? Dairy and potatoes are paleo approved by most and can make the bases for a pretty solid diet imo. If your full on vegan supplements+paleo plant foods could make a decent diet.

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on March 28, 2011
at 06:46 PM

I would worry about the person's nutritional needs, it doesn't seem to be a very wise decision. The basis of the paleo diet is meat and if you take that away you are basicly ridding yourself of most everything save fruits, vegetables and nuts/seeds. It sounds like a death wish to me JMO!!

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on May 13, 2011
at 12:40 AM

OMG everything but fruits, vegetable, and nuts/seeds?? HOLY SHIT that's only like 5,000 million different kinds of foods!!!!11 How could anybody bare it? Google "Storm Talifero". He seems to be doing fine.

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on May 12, 2011
at 06:53 PM

Paleo Vegan would be live like apes. Lot of greens, and fruits. Occasianally insects and bugs and if you desire hunt some small mammals or be canibalistic.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15640434/ns/technology_and_science-science/t/early-pre-humans-enjoyed-extensive-diet/

http://www.pnas.org/content/97/25/13506.full

http://www.beyondveg.com/nicholson-w/hb/hb-interview1c.shtml

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on May 13, 2011
at 12:41 AM

Yeah paleo vegan would occasionally include insects, bugs, small mammals, and other humans. Really good insight there, pal.

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(2919)

on September 04, 2011
at 07:13 AM

Except vegans don't eat any animals or anything derived from animals so no, insects aren't vegan. "Real" vegans even avoid chitosan (which is often made from crushed beetles or something like that) or red food coloring.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on September 04, 2011
at 09:05 AM

this is a good answer. Why give it a downvote?! Its answers the qeustion. The question is not are there healthy vegans? Some people here answer on a question which snt asked? If there is a vegan period in paelo time. You can label it veganpaleo why not.

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