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Up 10KG??!! This is so F*#ked.

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created May 08, 2012 at 9:03 AM

Guys, I want to vomit. I am so sad. I had to go and register at the doctor's today and in order to do so they do a health check. During this time, they weigh you. I haven't really weighed myself in the past 9 weeks, and today was the first time I hopped on the scales. I am up 10KG?!?! SERIOUSLY WTF?!

I have been VLC Paleo this entire time. And I am so so strict! I have only been eating when I'm hungry and stopping when I'm full. I eat a good amount of protein and veg three times a day. I don't overeat, and I definitely don't undereat. I have also been crossfitting 4 - 5 times a week, and doing low-mod cardio by walking to work or riding my bike, and just going to play in the park etc. I was 82kg, and now I'm 92.4kg. I have PCOS so I understand it makes weightloss harder, but I do not get how I have put on so much weight. I just don't know what to do. How can I be up 10kg? I don't really know where to go from here. Any suggestions are welcome because I'm about ready to give up...

edit: I have been tracking what I eat recently on myfitnesspal.com which you can check here http://www.myfitnesspal.com/sradnan (except was away on weekend so not past 4 days without internet)

But a normal day could look like: Breakfast Generic - Avocado-Small, 1 avocado Sainsbury's - Sugar Snap Peas (Snow Peas), 120 g Eggs - Fried (whole egg), 2 large Nutivia - Coconut Oil - Organic Extra Virgin, 1 tablespoon

Lunch John West - Tuna Chunks In Brine (Drained) 130g, 1 container (130 gs ea.) Salad - Mixed Greens W Tom, Cucu, Avocado, 2 cup Olive Oil - Extra Virgin , 1 tbl Sainsbury's - Sugar Snap Peas (Snow Peas), 1 container (200 gs ea.)

Dinner Sweet potato - Cooked, baked in skin, without salt (Sweetpotato), 1 medium (2" dia, 5" long, raw) Cucumber - With peel, raw, 0.5 cucumber (8-1/4") Nutivia - Coconut Oil - Organic Extra Virgin, 1 tablespoon Giant - Steam Ready - Mixed Vegetables, 1.5 Cup Carrots - Raw, 1 small (5-1/2" long) Chicken - Breast, meat and skin, cooked, roasted, 1 cup, chopped or diced Kale - Cooked, boiled, drained, without salt, 2 cup, chopped

Da927135a179400e0928bd640841d10a

on May 15, 2012
at 04:09 PM

Oops, yeah, didn't mean that it was ALL muscle, but maybe some!

345c1755efe005edd162b770dc6fb821

(8767)

on May 09, 2012
at 02:44 PM

sorry to clarify, each tweek give a week to see how you react. Don't rush it, once it starts to melt off you it will be full force. I was in ketosis often (seriously bad breath). I never really 'cheat' except for 1-2 glasses wine on the weekend, dark chocolate for me is allowable, nuts and berries in moderation, never eating gluten or sugar. I found I didnt really have cravings.

345c1755efe005edd162b770dc6fb821

(8767)

on May 09, 2012
at 02:41 PM

Once I started to loose, I then stalled for a while, I started tinkering with If'ing, max 18 hours, eating from rising until 5pmish then ifing while sleeping. I had great results once I figured it out and figured out my % with food. I stayed below 50g carbs per day, limited nuts to 1-2oz max, always at dark chocolate snacks...I don't deny myself completely. Fat around 55-65% as I cant digest the fat higher. Its kind of a tweaking process and takes time, give yourself a week to tweek. I lost about 1/2 lbs a week if I was lucky. I'm now at goal weight, slightly below. It took me about 6mo

E7adfe31507efb7c935f618a829f56d6

(1507)

on May 09, 2012
at 02:38 PM

hey, i call 'em like I see 'em!! :)

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

(1489)

on May 09, 2012
at 10:24 AM

Lamb?!? YUMMMMMM I thought I was having too much fat, but I was told to put in more so I started having lots of coconut oil with cooking, plus eating egg yolks and chicken skin. But you think even more still?

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

(1489)

on May 09, 2012
at 10:22 AM

Hmmm this really intrigues me...I seem to be able to build muscle but never get definition cause still fat on top. Maybe time to lean out then tone up. Thanks!

345c1755efe005edd162b770dc6fb821

(8767)

on May 08, 2012
at 09:51 PM

yep, it was the only way for me to loose the fat first, my legs and bum tend to get huge if I exercise, so I stopped....mind you I kept continous movement and walking and taking stairs in where I could. Just don't stop moving. The only real draw back was the I was skinny fat, meaning I lost it too fast and didnt exercise so it was giggly...but you are younger than I! I just know thats what works for me, I have always been muscular with the fat hiding it!!

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

(1489)

on May 08, 2012
at 09:48 PM

Lets hope so!! I want lean muscle to be a lean mean fat fighting machine. Just have to hope the fat actually disappears!!

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

(1489)

on May 08, 2012
at 09:06 PM

wow so you stopped exercising to lean out? I really like exercise though but I understand my desire to exercise and lose weight might be at odds with each other and as I attempt both at the same time it will mean slow progression in both arenas. Maybe I should be cutting back the exercise so then I can eat less and lean out, and then build strength? I think I have a tendency to build muscle really easily, and I can get strong fast, but can't seem to drop weight at the same rate!!

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

(1489)

on May 08, 2012
at 09:04 PM

Ok I'll try for 50g max a day. If it doesn't work I'll switch it up to LC and drop some fat back.

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

(1489)

on May 08, 2012
at 09:03 PM

thanks paleovenus :)

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

(1489)

on May 08, 2012
at 09:02 PM

ahhh damn it's stephanie.radna[email protected] :)

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

(1489)

on May 08, 2012
at 09:00 PM

Thanks guys! I know. I was just bummed cause it was so far from what I expected :) I love the support from the community you get here :) definitely helps falling off the wagon!! Can't deny I don't feel great, so that means i must be doing something right

E6c676dcd53d2fceffb4533ac47cefd5

on May 08, 2012
at 08:02 PM

mzrdnan, i tried to find your email but could not. i tried to leave you a comment on you blog, but could not. haha, but, i'd love someone to bounce info off with.

345c1755efe005edd162b770dc6fb821

(8767)

on May 08, 2012
at 07:14 PM

another suggestion, go get yourself a new scale and use it as a guide...meaning don't worry about the exact numbers so much, but at least it will be a consistent number that you can gauge if its going up or down. Every scale is different and they need to be recalibrated every time they are moved, even the ones at home and should be on a hard surface, no carpet.

345c1755efe005edd162b770dc6fb821

(8767)

on May 08, 2012
at 07:12 PM

I just checked your blog and you do NOT look like you put on 10 kilos, in fact you look leaner. I'd guess you are putting on muscle. When I started I did not exercise, why, because I always bulk up and don't burn the fat, I just get bigger and bigger. So I stopped doing anything beyond occassional sprints, walking and leaned down, loosing most of the excess fat. Now I need the exercise!....maybe you are the same?? Last weekend we were at the beach and someone told my husband how athletic looking I was...of course he laughed and said she doesnt do anything!! Just a thought....

631b29d5ab1146e264e91d08103bb72c

(1277)

on May 08, 2012
at 07:00 PM

I wanted to say the same things as PaleoVenus but was afraid it would come off weird from a 35 yr old man. Anyway, something is wrong with the readings. It was either read too low to start or is too high now. The math just doesn't logically add up. But regardless of what the number actually is or was, the physique you have now is more desirable then those of the girls you have posted on your blog. Plus it is getting better. Just keep doing what you are doing.

Ccacf7567273244733bc991af4ac42ed

(5198)

on May 08, 2012
at 06:43 PM

Whether or not people agree with VLC, I think it's pretty clear that it doesn't work 'halfway'. If you want to try it, then aim for 20-50g max a day and if you're struggling then look for other ways to address this. Or just add more carbs, but then stop calling it VLC and don't expect it to work.

E7adfe31507efb7c935f618a829f56d6

(1507)

on May 08, 2012
at 04:48 PM

The pictures on your blog show TREMENDOUS progress. don't trust the scale!

E7adfe31507efb7c935f618a829f56d6

(1507)

on May 08, 2012
at 04:43 PM

HI, just want to say I looked at your wordpress blog (great blog!) and your before/after photos. YOU LOOK AMAZING. You are just gorgeous and your transformation is dramatic! Maybe it's hard to see it from within, but I can definitely see it. Are you SURE that 10kg isn't muscle? in any case, you look gorgeous and you have lost INCHES, i mean, it's just obvious. Keep doing what you're doing.

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

(1489)

on May 08, 2012
at 04:09 PM

thank you ... it's just such a shock and completely not what you hope for...just got to keep on keeping on

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

(1489)

on May 08, 2012
at 04:08 PM

MOLLY GET OUT OF MY HEAD! seriously. Like I can't love me like this, and for that reason can't get into a relationship with anyone else. I'm too self-conscious and I am no confident enough :( I miss being able to walk into stores and just put on anything to wear and it looked good...seriously though I know how you feel...p.s. please email me so we can converse in depth! I want to hear your story (in a really non-creepy way. it helps me because at least i'm not the only one)

E6c676dcd53d2fceffb4533ac47cefd5

on May 08, 2012
at 03:22 PM

weight means a lot to me. haha, i can't fit my clothes anymore. and, i feel unattractive, which makes me isolate and not pursue any relationships at all. that is no bueno. but, i will keep working with my dr. i have been vlc for two years now. so, the weight gain has to be thyroid/hormonal.

E6c676dcd53d2fceffb4533ac47cefd5

on May 08, 2012
at 03:19 PM

sounds good, will do!

07ca188c8dac3a17f629dd87198d2098

(7970)

on May 08, 2012
at 02:57 PM

But you say your clothes fit more or less the same, you feel about the same externally and better internally, and your pictures certainly aren't lying either ... I'm not seeing the problem here :) I think you're making excellent progress, and the crossfit is just adding to your lean mass.

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

(1489)

on May 08, 2012
at 02:28 PM

is 50g carbs enough to support crossfitting do you think? or you reckon lay low on the crossfit and do strength?

Ddfdaa75ac9f47e01fc71162dd0d38dc

on May 08, 2012
at 02:18 PM

Agreed try 50 carbs & 1500 calories - most women can lose weight around there.

8496289baf18c2d3e210740614dc9082

(1867)

on May 08, 2012
at 01:33 PM

@mollyringworm As someone with Type 1 DM, moderate protein and high amounts of good fats are probably good for you, at least as I understand it (CW is low-fat for DM of all types, but I think this is misguided). 100% of the pathology of DM is related to glucose control: tight glycemic control prevents disease, period. 30g carbs is VLC by definition: if you find this working for you, stick with it. You shouldn't feel afraid to play with your diet (and should, to optimize it) as long as you're monitoring both your blood sugar and how you feel.

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

(1489)

on May 08, 2012
at 01:26 PM

ah that's fantastic for you!! good job ... I wish that was my problem :P

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

(1489)

on May 08, 2012
at 01:19 PM

Stress I think is ok...and sleep could be better. I often wake in the middle of the night and just lay around for a few hours...am on magnesium and stuff which is meant to help but some nights are better than others. I rarely sleep solid though. and I'll try cutting the avocado and snaps and up the coconut oil :) thank you. all suggestions help!!

65bf1ca7071028018c6d8305d0ddcd76

(3049)

on May 08, 2012
at 01:13 PM

Your sweet potato only counts for 24 grams of carbs, which can easily still be included... Maybe cut down on the avocado and snap peas, up your fat intake with coconut oil, lard, etc?

65bf1ca7071028018c6d8305d0ddcd76

(3049)

on May 08, 2012
at 01:11 PM

Ok, found sugar snap peas: 100 gr is 7.5 grams of carbs, so 300 gr is an additional 22 carbs, plus your salad, cuc and more avocado... I think you are closer to 100 grams. The key is feeling good. If you feel better, just make subtle diet changes and you will lose weight. Muscle does weigh more, and you are doing a lot of cross fit. Are your stress levels and sleep dialed in?

8496289baf18c2d3e210740614dc9082

(1867)

on May 08, 2012
at 01:10 PM

Focus on how you're feeling. Your body will tell you when you're doing well and when you aren't, most of the time. Especially if you know what feeling bad re: PCOS was like, you're probably sensitive to that. Weight itself means very little.

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

(1489)

on May 08, 2012
at 01:09 PM

I don't usually have a sweet potato on my rest days only on my training days cause I tried the whole VLC all the time and I was dying!!

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

(1489)

on May 08, 2012
at 01:07 PM

You're right. I am being such a girl. I wish numbers didn't define me so much. Ok. Time to stop stressing.

65bf1ca7071028018c6d8305d0ddcd76

(3049)

on May 08, 2012
at 01:04 PM

Your avocado, kale, sweet potato and carrots already add up to over 60 grams of carbs, where most people consider less than 50 vlc... And thats not including the multiple servings of sugar snap peas. It's not that it's necessary to be vlc to lose weight, but I think that you may not be seeing the whole picture.

631b29d5ab1146e264e91d08103bb72c

(1277)

on May 08, 2012
at 12:58 PM

But your current plan is working. The positive things you are seeing in the mirror are actually happening. Who care's if it is 83kg, 72kg or 92kg? You look better and feel better. Isn't that the goal?

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

(1489)

on May 08, 2012
at 12:58 PM

sigh...I think you may be right! back to the calorie counting it is then

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

(1489)

on May 08, 2012
at 12:56 PM

Oh I was also eating low cal SAD diet...had all bran for brekky, salads and stir fries for dinner and lunch, but did eat quite a bit of low cal jelly, low cal yogurt and a ton of fruit...it seemed to work...but so different to this low carb/paleo stuff...hoping it works itself out in the long run!

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

(1489)

on May 08, 2012
at 12:48 PM

HAHHA my life story ... only time I was really thin was when I was on a strong dose of the Pill...but that made me mental and depressed so had to come off those...and with the attention you get when you're thinner it's hard to not want to be back there :'(

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

(1489)

on May 08, 2012
at 12:46 PM

I'm going to see how it is in another month ... I'll be able to weigh again at the doctors on the same scale and if it goes up then I'm really F&#ked!

E6c676dcd53d2fceffb4533ac47cefd5

on May 08, 2012
at 12:46 PM

the only time i ever lost a significant amount of weight was when i got really bad food poisoning and lost down to 120. i looked and felt great. but, i had to also take cipro to kill the bug inside me. everyone gave me so much attention on how great i looked. sigh. i'm up to 168 right now, i was 143 in august. yay.

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

(1489)

on May 08, 2012
at 12:45 PM

I did that just before I went to the doctors! I know every little bit does count but I didn't realise I had put on like 10KG when posting?!? I was writing this to see if there was anything anyone could suggest to try because my current plan obviously isn't working how I thought it would :(

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

(1489)

on May 08, 2012
at 12:44 PM

I have been tracking progress and keeping photos - http://www.crossfitforaqueen.wordpress.com - but I don't think that the difference is that drastic?! I would have hoped more :( I don't know that I feel firmer/flabbier...I feel the same pretty much externally I think but I feel better internally...

E6c676dcd53d2fceffb4533ac47cefd5

on May 08, 2012
at 12:43 PM

mzrdan, no, i don't! i'm in the us. so sorry. :(

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

(1489)

on May 08, 2012
at 12:42 PM

Wow thanks so much for your detailed response! I am definitely feeling better and my energy is better, and I am in no hurry to introduce high carbs again (150g+) but maybe I need to decrease fat and increase carbs...I will have to see what the blood tests show. I like how I feel on VLC/LC but I am just so sad that the scales are doing the exact opposite of what all my hard work should be doing :'(

E6c676dcd53d2fceffb4533ac47cefd5

on May 08, 2012
at 12:41 PM

so no low protein, and no low fat. i hear thyroids like carbs? what say you? dr B says to keep carbs around 30g a day. i'm a type 1 diabetic. i know you are not prescribing, but, i'd like to hear your thoughts. thank you.

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

(1489)

on May 08, 2012
at 12:38 PM

It was actually more protein, then fat, and finally carbs.

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

(1489)

on May 08, 2012
at 12:34 PM

@wedzir no change in going up in clothes size...still wearing the same ones..I don't know it's so hard :( @molly tell me about it girl...fml...this is going to be a lifelong battle won't it?! do you happen to live in the UK so that I could get in touch with your doctor?

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

(1489)

on May 08, 2012
at 12:33 PM

@molly ok I am about to see a new doctor in a new country so we will see where this goes but if you get any hints/tips PLEASE pass them on. I'll keep you updated as to how I go too

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

(1489)

on May 08, 2012
at 12:31 PM

yeah I'm female...and I dont think 22pounds of muscle is quite right at all! @david I only eat carbs around my training

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

(1489)

on May 08, 2012
at 12:29 PM

Hi David, yeah this was a crossfit day so I always make sure I have a sweet potato on training days but otherwise my carbs are below 70g. I tried without the sweet potato for 6 weeks and felt like death so had to up the carbs a litt.e

E6c676dcd53d2fceffb4533ac47cefd5

on May 08, 2012
at 12:25 PM

mzdan, i hate this for you. i feel you, the same thing happens to me all the time. 5 lb weight gain in the last month. sounds crazy, but, this is what our bodies do with pcos. everyone thinks you are lying or cheating, but, ugh. so frustrating. hang in there. i'm here, feeling your frustration too. you are not alone.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on May 08, 2012
at 12:25 PM

22 pounds of lean gain in 9 weeks for a female (I think the OP is female)? No way.

E6c676dcd53d2fceffb4533ac47cefd5

on May 08, 2012
at 12:23 PM

yes, pcos, hypothyroid, and type 1 diabetic. i really don't know where to go next. not going to just haul off and up the carbs though. trying to adjust things as time goes by with my new dr. she specializes in hormone therapy and told me i was going to be a tough puzzle for her. we shall see. i'm also going to read through interrobungs post below and see what's up. thanks.

E35e3d76547b18096a59c90029e7e107

(15613)

on May 08, 2012
at 12:20 PM

I would suggest that when you eat your carbs could be more important than the total amount. A small amount of carbs added to each meal of protein and fat could really stimulate the appetite, whereas only eating carbs as plain sweet potato after each workout, even if you're eating more carbs, may well stimulate appetite less. And yes, if you're eating more carbs, I would see if you can eat commensurately less fat.

E35e3d76547b18096a59c90029e7e107

(15613)

on May 08, 2012
at 12:10 PM

I don't see why you say that she's 'scared of carbs'; I just put a few of the above into nutritiondata.com (not the mixed vegetables, since I didn't know what they were) and there was already ~70g of carbs, which is low, but not VLC. Also it's looking pretty good micronutrition-wise. I don't see the point in variety personally.

956bcad1d462d433a4e1e22f6e3355d5

(1191)

on May 08, 2012
at 11:40 AM

After reading your posts, I'd say definitely not to stress over it. You seem to have gained muscles, so stop worrying about quantity and embrace quality.

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on May 08, 2012
at 10:56 AM

Not if you are diabetic. Then you have to find the level that will be somewhere in the middle. Does not increase BG levels, but keeps the symptoms in check. Experiment is the only way.

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(0)

on May 08, 2012
at 10:55 AM

A weightchange of 10 Kg would suggest a change in clothesize maybe even two..

34cf7065a6c94062c711eb16c0f6adc3

on May 08, 2012
at 10:54 AM

With those symptoms you do want to up the carbs. Don't worry about your looks more than your thyroid. VLC is great while you are losing fat, bad once you have achieved it. Get into Low carb zone (ie 100gms), maybe more if you exercise a lot.

4290b251413da20f5524202e302625b6

(0)

on May 08, 2012
at 10:54 AM

Íf you look leaner, and your clothes still fit... Maybe it would be better not to worry ORRR to check the composition of your body. If you are 90 Kg of lean body there is little to complain I would think.

4290b251413da20f5524202e302625b6

(0)

on May 08, 2012
at 10:52 AM

not every guy should be promotes to the one and all savier of human kind. Carbs are not pure evil, neither is protein or fat. I notice this all the time. In Holland we have a saying whitch translates to being to try more catholic than the pope... If one does crossfit 4-5 times a week you would surely need more carbs than when you are sedentary...(a lot more)

34cf7065a6c94062c711eb16c0f6adc3

on May 08, 2012
at 10:52 AM

If you look a little leaner then what's the problem. Don't ever just check weight, always check body fat %. If you have a lower body fat % its better. If you are leaner with a higher weight you must have built a lot of muscle, there is no other option. Muscle is twice as dense as fat. So you should have gained 20Kgs of muscles not 10Kgs :-). You should have seriously big muscles now. The other option is that the scale is wrong, or the previous one was wrong. Anything could have happened.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on May 08, 2012
at 10:49 AM

If worse comes to worse, contact my herbal doctor. I am sure there is a treatment for this! There must be!

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on May 08, 2012
at 10:48 AM

Thanks for posting... How are you meeting your micro nutritional needs? I think you have to up your starches and add more variety for vegetables. Sweet potato, pumpkin, beets - why are you so scared of carbs?

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

(1489)

on May 08, 2012
at 10:36 AM

Read Robb Wolf's paleo solution ... he advocates loads of meat and veg...says things like fruit are evil...too many carbs = weight gain cause of the insulin response etc

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

(1489)

on May 08, 2012
at 10:36 AM

I was standing on the scales and saw it myself :(

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

(1489)

on May 08, 2012
at 10:35 AM

Awesome! Exactly what you want to hear :P Yeah I had to register at the doctors today as I just moved to the UK and have been told to get my thyroid checked by my trainer. I have dry skin/super thirsty/don't sleep solidly since going VLC so have been told to get checked for the hypothyroidism ... how are you meant to deal with hypothyroidism though? I have blood tests next Tuesday so will see how that goes :'(

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

(4493)

on May 08, 2012
at 10:25 AM

did you actually see the 92.4kg readout on the scales for yourself? if it doesn't sound right, best jump on another set of scales somewhere else as a comparison. & allow for weight of clothes etc. It is possible to gain muscle quickly if you were previously under-nourished & your body is now getting what it needs, but i'm not sure about 10kg in 9 weeks, which is why i was thinking a scales error as well.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on May 08, 2012
at 10:24 AM

There's one thing I don't understand.... Why do people always say carbs necessarily make you fat?

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

(4493)

on May 08, 2012
at 10:23 AM

did you actually see the 92.4kg readout on the scales for yourself? if it doesn't 'feel' right, best jump on another set of scales somewhere else as a comparison. & allow for weight of clothes etc. It is possible to gain muscle quickly if you were previously under-nourished & your body is now getting what it needs, but i'm not sure about 10kg in 9 weeks, which is why i was thinking a scales error as well.

0faecc3397025eab246241f4dcd81f5e

(2361)

on May 08, 2012
at 10:22 AM

If your clothes are fitting the same - it is highly unlikely you have gained fat. I'd suggest keep measurements to track instead of scales

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

(1489)

on May 08, 2012
at 10:14 AM

I could try having a few more sweet potatoes maybe around training, but I am worried about have too many carbs now as I am trying to lose weight. Maybe up carbs and decrease fats?

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

(1489)

on May 08, 2012
at 10:13 AM

Yeah I didn't expect it at all. I have been feeling really good...my clothes more or less feel the same...I thought I was doing so well with the working out and eating right. Like I am a really dedicated person and I have been keeping to this trying to give it a real shot...I thought when I was going to weigh maybe a slight loss (didn't expect drastic cause I'm prone to building muscle quickly) but I did not expect a 10kg gain

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

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on May 08, 2012
at 10:10 AM

10kg of muscle though?? I went from 82kg to 92.4 kg...I am sure that's not just muscle :(

813cccf7c74bf8b20f41a317f796c243

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on May 08, 2012
at 10:07 AM

Read the answer from Elizabeth, she got a point on the catabolic state.

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

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on May 08, 2012
at 10:06 AM

I usually don't weigh because it makes me so sad, but when I do it's always first thing in the morning. And I am not on "that time of the month" or anything, so it should be relatively standardised. I'll keep going, but it's hard to stay positive when things like this happen :( quitting won't get me there either, I just wish I knew what to do...

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

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on May 08, 2012
at 10:00 AM

I don't know ... I just don't understand. I have been keeping other things like photos and I look a little leaner. But I do not understand 10kg. Even with different calibration it might be like 2 kgs +/- but 10?!??

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on May 08, 2012
at 09:21 AM

Could you post your daily meals? In that format Br. Lunch Dn. Snack etc. with portion sizes. Thanks.

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8496289baf18c2d3e210740614dc9082

on May 08, 2012
at 12:06 PM

If you are feeling good and look the same, your gain is probably not unhealthy. That being said, you have PCOS and signs/symptoms of hypothyroidism, both of which make unhealthy weight gain more likely.

Thyroid stimulating hormone is produced by the beta cells of your anterior pituitary gland, right alongside the FSH and LH that are screwed up in PCOS. Adrenocortical stimulating hormone is also produced in the beta cells, so if you're getting thyroid function tests, you might want to test for adrenocortical hormones as well (aldosterone, cortisol, and estrogens/androgens).

While all of these have a potential root in your pituitary gland (and in fact the same subdivision of the same division of your pituitary), they could all be rooted in the responding glands themselves. Tyrosine (ingested from protein-rich foods or made in the body from phenylalanine) is the amino acid at the base of dopamine, adrenaline, and thyroid hormone; so low protein is probably not the way to go. Cholesterol is the functional unit of estrogens, androgens, cortisol, and aldosterone; so low cholesterol is probably not the way to go.

Without more history and potentially lab work, there's very little more specific information I can give. Typically it's the case that VLC/LC helps PCOS (see my answer here regarding the theoretical mechanism: http://paleohacks.com/questions/117070/do-you-have-to-be-lifelong-vlc-or-lc-for-pcos-polycystic-ovarian-syndrome/117109#117109), but obviously everyone is different and it's certainly possible it's not the case for you. But I would suggest you not to start packing in the carbs right away, as that's not the most likely culprit and may make matters worse.

For a fuller explanation of the hormonal cycle in PCOS, see my answer here: http://paleohacks.com/questions/115543/hack-my-downward-spiral-to-rockbottom/115591#115591

EDIT: Will whoever down-voted this answer tell me why? I don't especially care about the down-vote, except inasmuch as I'd like to know if I'm doing something wrong or offensive. I just can't figure this one out. Thanks!

E6c676dcd53d2fceffb4533ac47cefd5

on May 08, 2012
at 08:02 PM

mzrdnan, i tried to find your email but could not. i tried to leave you a comment on you blog, but could not. haha, but, i'd love someone to bounce info off with.

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

(1489)

on May 08, 2012
at 12:42 PM

Wow thanks so much for your detailed response! I am definitely feeling better and my energy is better, and I am in no hurry to introduce high carbs again (150g+) but maybe I need to decrease fat and increase carbs...I will have to see what the blood tests show. I like how I feel on VLC/LC but I am just so sad that the scales are doing the exact opposite of what all my hard work should be doing :'(

E6c676dcd53d2fceffb4533ac47cefd5

on May 08, 2012
at 03:22 PM

weight means a lot to me. haha, i can't fit my clothes anymore. and, i feel unattractive, which makes me isolate and not pursue any relationships at all. that is no bueno. but, i will keep working with my dr. i have been vlc for two years now. so, the weight gain has to be thyroid/hormonal.

E6c676dcd53d2fceffb4533ac47cefd5

on May 08, 2012
at 12:41 PM

so no low protein, and no low fat. i hear thyroids like carbs? what say you? dr B says to keep carbs around 30g a day. i'm a type 1 diabetic. i know you are not prescribing, but, i'd like to hear your thoughts. thank you.

8496289baf18c2d3e210740614dc9082

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on May 08, 2012
at 01:33 PM

@mollyringworm As someone with Type 1 DM, moderate protein and high amounts of good fats are probably good for you, at least as I understand it (CW is low-fat for DM of all types, but I think this is misguided). 100% of the pathology of DM is related to glucose control: tight glycemic control prevents disease, period. 30g carbs is VLC by definition: if you find this working for you, stick with it. You shouldn't feel afraid to play with your diet (and should, to optimize it) as long as you're monitoring both your blood sugar and how you feel.

8496289baf18c2d3e210740614dc9082

(1867)

on May 08, 2012
at 01:10 PM

Focus on how you're feeling. Your body will tell you when you're doing well and when you aren't, most of the time. Especially if you know what feeling bad re: PCOS was like, you're probably sensitive to that. Weight itself means very little.

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

(1489)

on May 08, 2012
at 04:08 PM

MOLLY GET OUT OF MY HEAD! seriously. Like I can't love me like this, and for that reason can't get into a relationship with anyone else. I'm too self-conscious and I am no confident enough :( I miss being able to walk into stores and just put on anything to wear and it looked good...seriously though I know how you feel...p.s. please email me so we can converse in depth! I want to hear your story (in a really non-creepy way. it helps me because at least i'm not the only one)

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

(1489)

on May 08, 2012
at 09:02 PM

ahhh damn it's [email protected] :)

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Baa413654789b57f3579474ca7fa43d7

(2349)

on May 08, 2012
at 12:57 PM

Take a look at the second picture in this post: http://crossfitnewengland.com/2011/11/09/thursday-11-10-11/ The woman in this picture gained 9 lbs (4+ kg) but looks much better.

If you feel good and your clothes are not getting tighter, it doesn't sound like you just packed on 20 kg of fat.

With your other health issues, there may be something else going on as well. But if that is the case, you should work to address those issues and, as others have mentioned, not stress out about the numbers on a scale. I know that is easier said than done. But you need to reject the goal of being light because the leads you down the path to being "skinny-fat". Instead embrace the goal of being strong and beautiful. There is no number on a scale associated with that!

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E6c676dcd53d2fceffb4533ac47cefd5

on May 08, 2012
at 10:20 AM

i too have pcos and have gained 20 lbs since going strict paleo vlc per dr bernstein's recs. about 30g a day give or take. i have recently found out i am borderline hypothyroid, you might want to get your levels checked, i think i read somewhere in the paleosphere that vlc can eff with your thyroid. my weight gain is mos def not muscle. my brother so thoughfully pointed out my troubles assuming i had become a lazy ass and was not buying into my hormone issue. thanks bro. good luck, and keep us posted. oh, and something else i may try, cutting back on amount of protein. wonder what paleo has to say about this? dr bernstein said he has to usually cut it way back on the pcos ladies to help them lose and sometimes, even that doesn't work. yay for us!

34cf7065a6c94062c711eb16c0f6adc3

on May 08, 2012
at 10:54 AM

With those symptoms you do want to up the carbs. Don't worry about your looks more than your thyroid. VLC is great while you are losing fat, bad once you have achieved it. Get into Low carb zone (ie 100gms), maybe more if you exercise a lot.

34cf7065a6c94062c711eb16c0f6adc3

on May 08, 2012
at 10:56 AM

Not if you are diabetic. Then you have to find the level that will be somewhere in the middle. Does not increase BG levels, but keeps the symptoms in check. Experiment is the only way.

E6c676dcd53d2fceffb4533ac47cefd5

on May 08, 2012
at 12:23 PM

yes, pcos, hypothyroid, and type 1 diabetic. i really don't know where to go next. not going to just haul off and up the carbs though. trying to adjust things as time goes by with my new dr. she specializes in hormone therapy and told me i was going to be a tough puzzle for her. we shall see. i'm also going to read through interrobungs post below and see what's up. thanks.

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

(1489)

on May 08, 2012
at 12:33 PM

@molly ok I am about to see a new doctor in a new country so we will see where this goes but if you get any hints/tips PLEASE pass them on. I'll keep you updated as to how I go too

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on May 08, 2012
at 10:49 AM

If worse comes to worse, contact my herbal doctor. I am sure there is a treatment for this! There must be!

E6c676dcd53d2fceffb4533ac47cefd5

on May 08, 2012
at 03:19 PM

sounds good, will do!

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

(1489)

on May 08, 2012
at 10:35 AM

Awesome! Exactly what you want to hear :P Yeah I had to register at the doctors today as I just moved to the UK and have been told to get my thyroid checked by my trainer. I have dry skin/super thirsty/don't sleep solidly since going VLC so have been told to get checked for the hypothyroidism ... how are you meant to deal with hypothyroidism though? I have blood tests next Tuesday so will see how that goes :'(

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813cccf7c74bf8b20f41a317f796c243

on May 08, 2012
at 10:03 AM

DO NOT TRUST THE SCALE more than your own feelings about your fitness and health condition, and the mirror. Accepted that the scale is relative, let us state some fact. More weight does not necessarily mean more fat. Actually, muscles are heavier than fat. If you start to diet AND to train regularly, if you are good in these things and you don't burn your own muscles eating not enough for what you train, then it's normal that after some weeks you are as much heavy as before, or even more heavy, but at the same time you are more lean, less fat. Second. If you are checking your weight, how and when you check your weights? Because for example, if you take your weight monday morning 6am, empty stomach empty bladder, and then you take the weight after few weeks of diet and training but, for example, saturday late evening 22pm, after dinner, full bowels and so on, well then you can expect a real big oscillation between the two numbers. My suggestion, unless you don#t have some serious health problem, check your weight once a week, always the same day and at the same time, keep on working on your diet and training plans, and believe what you see in the mirror and the times you close your WOD, more, muchmore than any number in that small instrument called scale.

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on May 08, 2012
at 04:48 PM

The pictures on your blog show TREMENDOUS progress. don't trust the scale!

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

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on May 08, 2012
at 10:06 AM

I usually don't weigh because it makes me so sad, but when I do it's always first thing in the morning. And I am not on "that time of the month" or anything, so it should be relatively standardised. I'll keep going, but it's hard to stay positive when things like this happen :( quitting won't get me there either, I just wish I knew what to do...

813cccf7c74bf8b20f41a317f796c243

(162)

on May 08, 2012
at 10:07 AM

Read the answer from Elizabeth, she got a point on the catabolic state.

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

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on May 08, 2012
at 09:03 PM

thanks paleovenus :)

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on May 09, 2012
at 02:38 PM

hey, i call 'em like I see 'em!! :)

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on May 08, 2012
at 09:57 AM

Is there a chance that it's a different scale, or that the scale is calibrated differently from your last visit? It seems hard to believe you'd gain 10kg in 9 weeks without seeing a noticeable difference in appearance or in how you feel.

I realize that there's a certain wisdom in not weighing yourself too often, but you might look into getting your own scale for home use - or using one at the gym - so you can check your weight on the same scale every time. The benefit of using a scale at the gym is that you can put a dumbell on the thing and get a good idea of its accuracy.

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

(1489)

on May 08, 2012
at 10:00 AM

I don't know ... I just don't understand. I have been keeping other things like photos and I look a little leaner. But I do not understand 10kg. Even with different calibration it might be like 2 kgs +/- but 10?!??

4290b251413da20f5524202e302625b6

(0)

on May 08, 2012
at 10:54 AM

Íf you look leaner, and your clothes still fit... Maybe it would be better not to worry ORRR to check the composition of your body. If you are 90 Kg of lean body there is little to complain I would think.

34cf7065a6c94062c711eb16c0f6adc3

on May 08, 2012
at 10:52 AM

If you look a little leaner then what's the problem. Don't ever just check weight, always check body fat %. If you have a lower body fat % its better. If you are leaner with a higher weight you must have built a lot of muscle, there is no other option. Muscle is twice as dense as fat. So you should have gained 20Kgs of muscles not 10Kgs :-). You should have seriously big muscles now. The other option is that the scale is wrong, or the previous one was wrong. Anything could have happened.

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Ccacf7567273244733bc991af4ac42ed

on May 08, 2012
at 11:06 AM

Different scales could be a kg or two out, so that could add up to 3kg. Clothes could easily add another couple, and personally I can vary by 3-4kg during the day. Add to that you've probably gained muscle and your clothes all still fit the same and there's almost certainly nothing to worry about. That said, trying to work out 5 times a week and eating enough for that is not the easiest way to lose fat if that's your goal. You've got 3 significant meals there which makes it hard to leverage hunger as a guide for fat loss. And honestly, that looks a long long way from VLC. Percentage-wise I wouldn't be surprised if that was more carbs than anything else.

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

(1489)

on May 08, 2012
at 09:04 PM

Ok I'll try for 50g max a day. If it doesn't work I'll switch it up to LC and drop some fat back.

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

(1489)

on May 08, 2012
at 01:19 PM

Stress I think is ok...and sleep could be better. I often wake in the middle of the night and just lay around for a few hours...am on magnesium and stuff which is meant to help but some nights are better than others. I rarely sleep solid though. and I'll try cutting the avocado and snaps and up the coconut oil :) thank you. all suggestions help!!

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

(1489)

on May 08, 2012
at 01:09 PM

I don't usually have a sweet potato on my rest days only on my training days cause I tried the whole VLC all the time and I was dying!!

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

(1489)

on May 08, 2012
at 12:38 PM

It was actually more protein, then fat, and finally carbs.

65bf1ca7071028018c6d8305d0ddcd76

(3049)

on May 08, 2012
at 01:13 PM

Your sweet potato only counts for 24 grams of carbs, which can easily still be included... Maybe cut down on the avocado and snap peas, up your fat intake with coconut oil, lard, etc?

65bf1ca7071028018c6d8305d0ddcd76

(3049)

on May 08, 2012
at 01:04 PM

Your avocado, kale, sweet potato and carrots already add up to over 60 grams of carbs, where most people consider less than 50 vlc... And thats not including the multiple servings of sugar snap peas. It's not that it's necessary to be vlc to lose weight, but I think that you may not be seeing the whole picture.

65bf1ca7071028018c6d8305d0ddcd76

(3049)

on May 08, 2012
at 01:11 PM

Ok, found sugar snap peas: 100 gr is 7.5 grams of carbs, so 300 gr is an additional 22 carbs, plus your salad, cuc and more avocado... I think you are closer to 100 grams. The key is feeling good. If you feel better, just make subtle diet changes and you will lose weight. Muscle does weigh more, and you are doing a lot of cross fit. Are your stress levels and sleep dialed in?

Ccacf7567273244733bc991af4ac42ed

(5198)

on May 08, 2012
at 06:43 PM

Whether or not people agree with VLC, I think it's pretty clear that it doesn't work 'halfway'. If you want to try it, then aim for 20-50g max a day and if you're struggling then look for other ways to address this. Or just add more carbs, but then stop calling it VLC and don't expect it to work.

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Da927135a179400e0928bd640841d10a

on May 08, 2012
at 10:01 AM

How do you know it's not muscle?

On the other hand, if you've gone really low carb and you're doing lots of exercise, more or less every day- you may have driven your body into a cortisol/catabolic state and forcing it to conserve energy/fat storage. I'd read a few people like Matt Stone, Ray Peat and Danny Roddy to see where you might be going wrong here. Could be that you need some carbs to take you out of the stress cycle. A good clue is if you've been accumulating fat around the middle.

Or I could be totally wrong and you've just increased muscle mass, in which case, what's the problem?

4290b251413da20f5524202e302625b6

(0)

on May 08, 2012
at 10:52 AM

not every guy should be promotes to the one and all savier of human kind. Carbs are not pure evil, neither is protein or fat. I notice this all the time. In Holland we have a saying whitch translates to being to try more catholic than the pope... If one does crossfit 4-5 times a week you would surely need more carbs than when you are sedentary...(a lot more)

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on May 08, 2012
at 12:25 PM

22 pounds of lean gain in 9 weeks for a female (I think the OP is female)? No way.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on May 08, 2012
at 10:24 AM

There's one thing I don't understand.... Why do people always say carbs necessarily make you fat?

E35e3d76547b18096a59c90029e7e107

(15613)

on May 08, 2012
at 12:20 PM

I would suggest that when you eat your carbs could be more important than the total amount. A small amount of carbs added to each meal of protein and fat could really stimulate the appetite, whereas only eating carbs as plain sweet potato after each workout, even if you're eating more carbs, may well stimulate appetite less. And yes, if you're eating more carbs, I would see if you can eat commensurately less fat.

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

(1489)

on May 08, 2012
at 10:14 AM

I could try having a few more sweet potatoes maybe around training, but I am worried about have too many carbs now as I am trying to lose weight. Maybe up carbs and decrease fats?

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

(1489)

on May 08, 2012
at 12:31 PM

yeah I'm female...and I dont think 22pounds of muscle is quite right at all! @david I only eat carbs around my training

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

(1489)

on May 08, 2012
at 10:36 AM

Read Robb Wolf's paleo solution ... he advocates loads of meat and veg...says things like fruit are evil...too many carbs = weight gain cause of the insulin response etc

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

(1489)

on May 08, 2012
at 10:10 AM

10kg of muscle though?? I went from 82kg to 92.4 kg...I am sure that's not just muscle :(

Da927135a179400e0928bd640841d10a

on May 15, 2012
at 04:09 PM

Oops, yeah, didn't mean that it was ALL muscle, but maybe some!

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183f5c49a7a9548b6f5238d1f33cb35e

on May 08, 2012
at 09:19 PM

Just want to say, DON'T STRESS OUT ABOUT THIS! I looked at the pics on your blog and you definitely look leaner and as if you are going in a positive direction. Sure, some of the gain was probably fat, but I guarantee you that some of it was muscle. Take this as a windfall - you have 'bulked" a little and put on some lean mass, yay!

A similar thing has happened to me - I have not weighed for about half a year. Hopped onto the scale this morning and I have put on 10kg as well in that half a year. However, my waist measurement is the same, and my lower belly tire has dramatically reduced in the last half a year - it looks heaps better!

My hips and butt are slightly bigger because my pants around there are tighter, but they are solid. My thighs have leaned out considerably as well. I used to be extremely flabby before, and able to shove the fat into a smaller pant size. But this new muscle butt is unable to be squeezed into smaller jeans and it looks heaps more pert and is is not trying to crawl down the back of my legs anymore. I suspect that some of my fat gain includes muscle. Feeling good and healthy too :D

I think that you are going through a major recomp.

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

(1489)

on May 08, 2012
at 09:48 PM

Lets hope so!! I want lean muscle to be a lean mean fat fighting machine. Just have to hope the fat actually disappears!!

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Af9537cfa50562b67979624e9007e12a

(1334)

on May 08, 2012
at 12:56 PM

it sounds like you are doing it right overall. I would reduce overall calories a little personally, they still do count regardless of what some say, especially on women.

Ddfdaa75ac9f47e01fc71162dd0d38dc

on May 08, 2012
at 02:18 PM

Agreed try 50 carbs & 1500 calories - most women can lose weight around there.

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

(1489)

on May 08, 2012
at 12:58 PM

sigh...I think you may be right! back to the calorie counting it is then

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

(1489)

on May 08, 2012
at 02:28 PM

is 50g carbs enough to support crossfitting do you think? or you reckon lay low on the crossfit and do strength?

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543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

(4493)

on May 08, 2012
at 10:07 AM

Do you feel/look like you have gained 10kg, it sounds like the news came as a totally surprise.

Which makes me think there could be a couple of variables coming into play;
1. One or both of the scales you were weighed on are "out" (wrong).
2. You have gained muscle, not fat, which is why you may not have noticed putting any weight on and the gain came as a surprise. Muscle weighs more than fat for the same volume. (ie. muscle takes up less space than fat of an equal weight).

Probably a combination of the two.

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

(1489)

on May 08, 2012
at 10:36 AM

I was standing on the scales and saw it myself :(

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

(4493)

on May 08, 2012
at 10:23 AM

did you actually see the 92.4kg readout on the scales for yourself? if it doesn't 'feel' right, best jump on another set of scales somewhere else as a comparison. & allow for weight of clothes etc. It is possible to gain muscle quickly if you were previously under-nourished & your body is now getting what it needs, but i'm not sure about 10kg in 9 weeks, which is why i was thinking a scales error as well.

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

(1489)

on May 08, 2012
at 12:56 PM

Oh I was also eating low cal SAD diet...had all bran for brekky, salads and stir fries for dinner and lunch, but did eat quite a bit of low cal jelly, low cal yogurt and a ton of fruit...it seemed to work...but so different to this low carb/paleo stuff...hoping it works itself out in the long run!

E6c676dcd53d2fceffb4533ac47cefd5

on May 08, 2012
at 12:43 PM

mzrdan, no, i don't! i'm in the us. so sorry. :(

E6c676dcd53d2fceffb4533ac47cefd5

on May 08, 2012
at 12:46 PM

the only time i ever lost a significant amount of weight was when i got really bad food poisoning and lost down to 120. i looked and felt great. but, i had to also take cipro to kill the bug inside me. everyone gave me so much attention on how great i looked. sigh. i'm up to 168 right now, i was 143 in august. yay.

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

(4493)

on May 08, 2012
at 10:25 AM

did you actually see the 92.4kg readout on the scales for yourself? if it doesn't sound right, best jump on another set of scales somewhere else as a comparison. & allow for weight of clothes etc. It is possible to gain muscle quickly if you were previously under-nourished & your body is now getting what it needs, but i'm not sure about 10kg in 9 weeks, which is why i was thinking a scales error as well.

E6c676dcd53d2fceffb4533ac47cefd5

on May 08, 2012
at 12:25 PM

mzdan, i hate this for you. i feel you, the same thing happens to me all the time. 5 lb weight gain in the last month. sounds crazy, but, this is what our bodies do with pcos. everyone thinks you are lying or cheating, but, ugh. so frustrating. hang in there. i'm here, feeling your frustration too. you are not alone.

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

(1489)

on May 08, 2012
at 12:34 PM

@wedzir no change in going up in clothes size...still wearing the same ones..I don't know it's so hard :( @molly tell me about it girl...fml...this is going to be a lifelong battle won't it?! do you happen to live in the UK so that I could get in touch with your doctor?

3b3a449b6705e9ec8b141d0bd07c1a64

(1489)

on May 08, 2012
at 10:13 AM

Yeah I didn't expect it at all. I have been feeling really good...my clothes more or less feel the same...I thought I was doing so well with the working out and eating right. Like I am a really dedicated person and I have been keeping to this trying to give it a real shot...I thought when I was going to weigh maybe a slight loss (didn't expect drastic cause I'm prone to building muscle quickly) but I did not expect a 10kg gain

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on May 08, 2012
at 10:55 AM

A weightchange of 10 Kg would suggest a change in clothesize maybe even two..

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on May 08, 2012
at 10:22 AM

If your clothes are fitting the same - it is highly unlikely you have gained fat. I'd suggest keep measurements to track instead of scales

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on May 08, 2012
at 12:48 PM

HAHHA my life story ... only time I was really thin was when I was on a strong dose of the Pill...but that made me mental and depressed so had to come off those...and with the attention you get when you're thinner it's hard to not want to be back there :'(

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on May 09, 2012
at 10:07 AM

It appears your overcompensating calories because the lack of fat in your diet leaves you unsatisfied and hungry. Where is the beef, elk, buffalo,bison, pork etc ?...I find if I eat chicken it can make me pack on the pounds (high in protein, low in fat, a little higher in 06). When I'm sticking to steak, pork chops, eggs etc.. my muscles really start developing and body composition gets a lot better.Don't go for the lean cuts of meat and eat the fat:) Yum!What do you have to lose? I like to experiment because your body usually has a 60-90 cycle to see drastic improvements.

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on May 09, 2012
at 10:24 AM

Lamb?!? YUMMMMMM I thought I was having too much fat, but I was told to put in more so I started having lots of coconut oil with cooking, plus eating egg yolks and chicken skin. But you think even more still?

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on May 09, 2012
at 03:25 AM

I beg of you to read this: http://everydaypaleo.com/2011/06/22/attention-scale-addicts-part-2/ and see pictures of fitter, leaner, healthier, with-muscles-weighing-more-than-fat

I never even owned a scale until I got really fat. I only bought the scale because I was doing hcg (paleo, but stupid extreme). I only do once a day, in the a.m., but I do wish I could toss it. It was encouraging to measure, but now that I've stopped losing, it's quite annoying.

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on May 08, 2012
at 01:23 PM

I know I'm not in the same boat as you (different gender, height, body composition, diet, health issues, etc), but just to give you another data point. I lost about 20kg weight (mostly fat) and had to replace my wardrobe, all my old clothes were hanging off of me. I then made a conscientious effort to add lean mass. I put on about 7kg, but the good news is that the mirror still tells me I'm as lean or leaner than I was 7kg ago, and most importantly my smaller clothes still fit. My jeans are a little tighter in the thigh, but I'm attributing that to heavy squats. The waist is still as loose as ever :)

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on May 08, 2012
at 02:57 PM

But you say your clothes fit more or less the same, you feel about the same externally and better internally, and your pictures certainly aren't lying either ... I'm not seeing the problem here :) I think you're making excellent progress, and the crossfit is just adding to your lean mass.

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on May 08, 2012
at 01:26 PM

ah that's fantastic for you!! good job ... I wish that was my problem :P

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on May 08, 2012
at 04:09 PM

thank you ... it's just such a shock and completely not what you hope for...just got to keep on keeping on

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on May 08, 2012
at 12:33 PM

I am having trouble reconciling this post with your latest blog entry. In this one you say you are ready to give up and in the blog entry - also made today - you talk about how "every little bit counts" and you even make note of the positive changes in your body over the last four weeks.

What is going on?

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on May 08, 2012
at 01:07 PM

You're right. I am being such a girl. I wish numbers didn't define me so much. Ok. Time to stop stressing.

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on May 08, 2012
at 12:58 PM

But your current plan is working. The positive things you are seeing in the mirror are actually happening. Who care's if it is 83kg, 72kg or 92kg? You look better and feel better. Isn't that the goal?

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on May 08, 2012
at 12:45 PM

I did that just before I went to the doctors! I know every little bit does count but I didn't realise I had put on like 10KG when posting?!? I was writing this to see if there was anything anyone could suggest to try because my current plan obviously isn't working how I thought it would :(

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on May 08, 2012
at 12:31 PM

I'd guess there's a significant real weight gain component making up that 10 kg. At the same time, you used two different scales, so that could account for maybe 4 kg (assuming your initially reading was 2 kg low and the second reading with 2 kg too high. And then you have day-to-day weight fluctuations. I personally have a 4 kg variation from day-to-day. And going by your picture, you're female, you've got hormonal variations in weight as well (another 3-4 kilos possibly)?

You could have gotten extremely unlucky in that all your variations were on the low end when you first weighed in and now they're all on the high side. Or, more realistically, there's some variation and error in there, but there's a chunk of weight gain as well.

The scale is just a number, if you feel good and your clothes fit, why stress?

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on May 08, 2012
at 12:46 PM

I'm going to see how it is in another month ... I'll be able to weigh again at the doctors on the same scale and if it goes up then I'm really F&#ked!

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on May 08, 2012
at 11:45 AM

Like everyone is saying, every scale is different so it could be off from yours at home, allow 5lbs+/-.

Next, are you busting out of your clothing? 10 kilos is a lot to NOT have noticed before, if you aren't I'd say its muscle, that is a good thing! (especially if you are hulking out of your clothes, 5 kilos is normally a dress size up/down).

Don't stress, that will make it worse!!!

I think you should try to omit the scale numbers from your mind and focus on what is happening with your body, is it bigger? bulkier? flabbier? take your measurements if needed for future reference.

If your body is leaner and muscular start working on converting your mind about muscle mass good!!!

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on May 08, 2012
at 12:44 PM

I have been tracking progress and keeping photos - http://www.crossfitforaqueen.wordpress.com - but I don't think that the difference is that drastic?! I would have hoped more :( I don't know that I feel firmer/flabbier...I feel the same pretty much externally I think but I feel better internally...

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on May 08, 2012
at 09:06 PM

wow so you stopped exercising to lean out? I really like exercise though but I understand my desire to exercise and lose weight might be at odds with each other and as I attempt both at the same time it will mean slow progression in both arenas. Maybe I should be cutting back the exercise so then I can eat less and lean out, and then build strength? I think I have a tendency to build muscle really easily, and I can get strong fast, but can't seem to drop weight at the same rate!!

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on May 08, 2012
at 09:51 PM

yep, it was the only way for me to loose the fat first, my legs and bum tend to get huge if I exercise, so I stopped....mind you I kept continous movement and walking and taking stairs in where I could. Just don't stop moving. The only real draw back was the I was skinny fat, meaning I lost it too fast and didnt exercise so it was giggly...but you are younger than I! I just know thats what works for me, I have always been muscular with the fat hiding it!!

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on May 09, 2012
at 02:44 PM

sorry to clarify, each tweek give a week to see how you react. Don't rush it, once it starts to melt off you it will be full force. I was in ketosis often (seriously bad breath). I never really 'cheat' except for 1-2 glasses wine on the weekend, dark chocolate for me is allowable, nuts and berries in moderation, never eating gluten or sugar. I found I didnt really have cravings.

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on May 08, 2012
at 07:12 PM

I just checked your blog and you do NOT look like you put on 10 kilos, in fact you look leaner. I'd guess you are putting on muscle. When I started I did not exercise, why, because I always bulk up and don't burn the fat, I just get bigger and bigger. So I stopped doing anything beyond occassional sprints, walking and leaned down, loosing most of the excess fat. Now I need the exercise!....maybe you are the same?? Last weekend we were at the beach and someone told my husband how athletic looking I was...of course he laughed and said she doesnt do anything!! Just a thought....

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on May 09, 2012
at 02:41 PM

Once I started to loose, I then stalled for a while, I started tinkering with If'ing, max 18 hours, eating from rising until 5pmish then ifing while sleeping. I had great results once I figured it out and figured out my % with food. I stayed below 50g carbs per day, limited nuts to 1-2oz max, always at dark chocolate snacks...I don't deny myself completely. Fat around 55-65% as I cant digest the fat higher. Its kind of a tweaking process and takes time, give yourself a week to tweek. I lost about 1/2 lbs a week if I was lucky. I'm now at goal weight, slightly below. It took me about 6mo

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on May 08, 2012
at 07:14 PM

another suggestion, go get yourself a new scale and use it as a guide...meaning don't worry about the exact numbers so much, but at least it will be a consistent number that you can gauge if its going up or down. Every scale is different and they need to be recalibrated every time they are moved, even the ones at home and should be on a hard surface, no carpet.

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on May 09, 2012
at 10:22 AM

Hmmm this really intrigues me...I seem to be able to build muscle but never get definition cause still fat on top. Maybe time to lean out then tone up. Thanks!

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