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Trouble Pooping on paleo

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created January 31, 2013 at 3:35 PM

I'm on day 24 of the Whole 30. I've been having trouble pooping. My stools are not hard but it feels like everything is all stuck inside my gut and I can feel I need to poop but nothing wants to move. Feels like it's sludge inside :( When I pass it's soft and all piles up not diarrhea but I no longer have snake like solid easy stools. I am constantly feeling bloated, discomfort and like I need to poop :( WHAT is going on??

I eat eggs, veggies, raisins, nuts, green tea, apples and pears. I don't eat much fruit- not even 1 a day. Every few days I'll have an apple or a pear. I eat salads and spinach, meats. Maybe I'm not eating enough leafy greens? Ruffage? Or I should take out coffee in the morning? Can green tea cause problems?

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(2417)

on February 04, 2013
at 05:19 AM

Hemming, beef and lamb. Aussie stuff, I buy it here in Japan where handling is ultra clean. Paleonewbie, don't bother with the calcium. Completes with mag. Defeats the purpose of loading mag.

Dd939ae4d410ddad75ca6302f514c7b6

on February 02, 2013
at 06:18 PM

I don't think I'm eating too much roughage- I think it's not been enough of it or the meat- kinda been stuck ;) in the middle! lol

Dd939ae4d410ddad75ca6302f514c7b6

on February 02, 2013
at 06:18 PM

excellent- thanks!

Dd939ae4d410ddad75ca6302f514c7b6

on February 02, 2013
at 06:18 PM

I just got some beef bones to make a beef broth and I've been upping my salt- I've been wanting it where I normally don't AND I've just started increasing water!! Thanks ;)

Dd939ae4d410ddad75ca6302f514c7b6

on February 02, 2013
at 06:17 PM

I cook w/ Coconut oil but I have not tried it on an empty stomach or w/ warm water. I may do that soon ;) Thanks! Going to elim the raisins and nuts, look into fermented veggies and I have been thinking about adding more starch also- I've read that a few places. Thank you!

Dd939ae4d410ddad75ca6302f514c7b6

on February 02, 2013
at 06:16 PM

Checking this out ;) Thank you!

Dd939ae4d410ddad75ca6302f514c7b6

on February 02, 2013
at 06:15 PM

Thank you! I am researching Chelated Magnesium right now. I also see some with Calcium... Paragraph starting w/ "Thirdly..."~AWESOME! Good points! Thank you! I'm going to ditch the coffee, raisins and nuts and see how it goes! I will add add more meat too! Might as well check out the fermented veggies also :)

Ed0cb30f40daff568778b776b2a5a81d

(943)

on February 01, 2013
at 07:23 AM

Good answer. From which which animals and which cuts did you get the raw meat?

90ca1400d597cff69ec5f9c193c4d667

on February 01, 2013
at 04:53 AM

also if you do have muscle meat from beef, lamb, bison make sure to have it with bone broth or gelatin....it's important to balance the amino acids, doing so simulates eating the entire animal in a sense

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(2417)

on February 01, 2013
at 04:09 AM

RIGHT ANSWER. Agreed.

Medium avatar

(2417)

on February 01, 2013
at 04:08 AM

Awesome idea. For me, 400mg mag chelate a day and my poop is quite soft. 600mg and its darn near soft serve. 800mg and its a water hose.

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(2417)

on February 01, 2013
at 04:06 AM

The "veggie fiber helps us poop" THEORY is based on cellulose, or insoluble fiber. Soluble fiber dissolves in water and is supposed to help your bloodstream, not colon. That said I poop way better with sweet potatoes than veggies.

5616e8de3e99ae199d9fd896098a331a

(571)

on January 31, 2013
at 10:59 PM

Butyrate in butter is absorbed in the small intestine, so it won't be concentrated in the bowel like it is when it's produced from fiber. The blood concentration will also be cyclical rather than stable as it is when it's produced in the gut. I don't know if that has implications for its effects. Butter is a supplement to dietary fiber rather than a replacement.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on January 31, 2013
at 08:07 PM

You know whats cool.... butter for butyric acid. Funny how they sound so much alike eh?

F92e4ca55291c3f3096a3d4d3d854986

(11698)

on January 31, 2013
at 06:20 PM

Yes. add some more soluble fiber sources (tubers, bananas, plantains yams) should help firm it up. And more fat. And get into squatting which helps peristalsis.

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90ca1400d597cff69ec5f9c193c4d667

on February 01, 2013
at 04:00 AM

humans are not ruminant animals...stop eating salads and spinach...vegetables are either impossible to digest due to cellulose or contain goitrogens which inhibit metabolism, and therefore, can cause constipation...also nuts are not helping you either, i'd cut those out, stick w/ fruit, milk/cheese, ruminant meats, eggs, and below-ground vegetables like potatoes

coffee is also excellent for relieving constipation, but make sure to have it on a full stomach...also try magnesium

Medium avatar

(2417)

on February 01, 2013
at 04:09 AM

RIGHT ANSWER. Agreed.

90ca1400d597cff69ec5f9c193c4d667

on February 01, 2013
at 04:53 AM

also if you do have muscle meat from beef, lamb, bison make sure to have it with bone broth or gelatin....it's important to balance the amino acids, doing so simulates eating the entire animal in a sense

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Medium avatar

on February 01, 2013
at 04:23 AM

Firstly, the idea that humans need vegetable cellulose, ie insoluble fiber or roughage, to poop has been shown to be false, or at least unnecessary. Many studies show the fiber scrapes, aggravates, and destroys the lining of the intestines and CAUSES fissures, hemorrhoids, and IBS.

Secondly, veggies contain as many anti nutrients as they do nutrients in many cases. That's why ruminants have seven stomachs, to deal with and process all that crap, as it were. Ever seen a horse poop? There's STILL undigested matter in there. They process out the anti nutrients and we eat them, letting their stomachs do the work and spend all their day eating barely digestible fodder; we reap the benefits.

Thirdly, any change in diet, especially a drastic one like switching to paleo, makes your gut slow down and react, resisting a restart no matter what you eat. Coming off of a fast, traveling, returning from traveling, all cause what you are describing. Your body and your gut bacteria environment must adapt. Give them time. Don't fall into the over analysis over reaction yo yo pitfall. Eat good foods, stick with it, things will work out.

That said I went raw meat only paleo for four months and poop was never better. The hell with veggies, though I love them. Meat only, even adding tubers, works out just fine.

To help things, as well as give your body one of the most important minerals you can consume, take magnesium chelate (Albion, Blue Bonnet, Carlsons). Start with 200mg a day. Continue daily, and every three days increase by 100mg. Watch your reaction. When I get to 400mg, things are perfect. 600mg, things are a bit too eager. 800mg and I'm running. Some can take 1000+mg and are fine. Everyone is different. Find your limit.

I'd also ditch the veggies for more meat and the occasional tuber (best at night), and if you must eat veggies, take them fermented in smaller quantities. Fruit, knock yourself out, but the fructose isn't for me.

Ed0cb30f40daff568778b776b2a5a81d

(943)

on February 01, 2013
at 07:23 AM

Good answer. From which which animals and which cuts did you get the raw meat?

Medium avatar

(2417)

on February 04, 2013
at 05:19 AM

Hemming, beef and lamb. Aussie stuff, I buy it here in Japan where handling is ultra clean. Paleonewbie, don't bother with the calcium. Completes with mag. Defeats the purpose of loading mag.

Dd939ae4d410ddad75ca6302f514c7b6

on February 02, 2013
at 06:15 PM

Thank you! I am researching Chelated Magnesium right now. I also see some with Calcium... Paragraph starting w/ "Thirdly..."~AWESOME! Good points! Thank you! I'm going to ditch the coffee, raisins and nuts and see how it goes! I will add add more meat too! Might as well check out the fermented veggies also :)

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Cbda678b2a6bf0537d8c4ea0ce8aa9ad

(4319)

on February 01, 2013
at 02:00 PM

Gut Bacteria is what helped me. Sauerkraut did the trick for me.

Dd939ae4d410ddad75ca6302f514c7b6

on February 02, 2013
at 06:18 PM

excellent- thanks!

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C657d176db6f11f98aeb2a89071e3281

on February 03, 2013
at 07:34 AM

Are you getting enough fat? Coffee? Water? If you still have a problem, I use Formula 1 and Formula 2 from herbdoc.com Formula 1 helps you poop. Combined with Formula 2, it is a cleanse. Do not take if you suffer from IBS, ulcerative colitis or other stomach and intestine problems. The formula has habanero chile in it and will aggravate those conditions. I buy it online at www.herbdoc.com If you order it, you can ask for their free book on bowel issues.

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24a0a0d5073f0a77c3737ef9d0e4c426

on February 01, 2013
at 11:50 AM

More water and possibly salt (temporarily at least). Do a cup of beef broth.

Dd939ae4d410ddad75ca6302f514c7b6

on February 02, 2013
at 06:18 PM

I just got some beef bones to make a beef broth and I've been upping my salt- I've been wanting it where I normally don't AND I've just started increasing water!! Thanks ;)

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7eba3d743671649c1e06cacce0ba4e77

(1423)

on February 01, 2013
at 03:02 AM

Coconut oil helps constipation, but it should be taken on an empty stomach alone or in warm water.

If I were in this situation, I would eliminate the fruits and definitely the raisins and raw vegetables(salad) and eat easily digestible foods like slow cooked meats, fermented foods like sauerkraut, yogurt, kefir etc., and cooked starches like potatoes, sweet potatoes, yams, etc. and if I felt like eating fruits, maybe some blueberries.

If you are not going to eliminate the raw vegetable/fruits, atleast increase the amount of fermented foods you're eating. This has been a good method for people I know. Definitely try eliminating the coffee for a few days.

If you are going to try my suggestions, try it for around 5 days. I think this might help you out.

Dd939ae4d410ddad75ca6302f514c7b6

on February 02, 2013
at 06:17 PM

I cook w/ Coconut oil but I have not tried it on an empty stomach or w/ warm water. I may do that soon ;) Thanks! Going to elim the raisins and nuts, look into fermented veggies and I have been thinking about adding more starch also- I've read that a few places. Thank you!

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Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32564)

on January 31, 2013
at 09:27 PM

Try 400-600 mg Magnesium Citrate before bed. Most of us are deficient in Magnesium and can't get enough via diet these days, unless you are eating grains or a lot of seafood.

Dd939ae4d410ddad75ca6302f514c7b6

on February 02, 2013
at 06:16 PM

Checking this out ;) Thank you!

Medium avatar

(2417)

on February 01, 2013
at 04:08 AM

Awesome idea. For me, 400mg mag chelate a day and my poop is quite soft. 600mg and its darn near soft serve. 800mg and its a water hose.

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1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

(11157)

on January 31, 2013
at 05:52 PM

So you're having softer stools? Maybe you're eating TOO much roughage. In my experience, leafy greens make for looser stools.

F92e4ca55291c3f3096a3d4d3d854986

(11698)

on January 31, 2013
at 06:20 PM

Yes. add some more soluble fiber sources (tubers, bananas, plantains yams) should help firm it up. And more fat. And get into squatting which helps peristalsis.

Dd939ae4d410ddad75ca6302f514c7b6

on February 02, 2013
at 06:18 PM

I don't think I'm eating too much roughage- I think it's not been enough of it or the meat- kinda been stuck ;) in the middle! lol

Medium avatar

(2417)

on February 01, 2013
at 04:06 AM

The "veggie fiber helps us poop" THEORY is based on cellulose, or insoluble fiber. Soluble fiber dissolves in water and is supposed to help your bloodstream, not colon. That said I poop way better with sweet potatoes than veggies.

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5616e8de3e99ae199d9fd896098a331a

on January 31, 2013
at 05:02 PM

Wheat bran. Don't listen to the paleo propaganda, it won't tear your gut lining. Also, the critters in your gut will make butyric acid out of it, which is very cool. Also, the phytic acid is bound to the minerals already found in the wheat bran, it won't steal any iron or calcium from you. I would suggest though that you eat it with a bit of cheese, because of the oxalates.

5616e8de3e99ae199d9fd896098a331a

(571)

on January 31, 2013
at 10:59 PM

Butyrate in butter is absorbed in the small intestine, so it won't be concentrated in the bowel like it is when it's produced from fiber. The blood concentration will also be cyclical rather than stable as it is when it's produced in the gut. I don't know if that has implications for its effects. Butter is a supplement to dietary fiber rather than a replacement.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on January 31, 2013
at 08:07 PM

You know whats cool.... butter for butyric acid. Funny how they sound so much alike eh?

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