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To any Paleo Vegetarians- Could you share what do you eat each day?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created January 19, 2013 at 4:21 AM

Hi,

I am an ex vegetarian/vegan/raw foodist. I was meat free for 12 years, from about 12-24 years of age. I love animals. I was a fanatical PETA activist. I love cows, love pigs, love chickens, love love love- meaning I feel a deep connection with them, and I know were I to watch one being killed I would jump in to stop it. I save any animal I see in distress: spiders and bugs and earthworms- all animals.

I'm having an extremely difficult time coming to terms with eating meat. (Hypocritically, I am okay with eating fish and think I could catch a fish on my own and be okay with that). Two years ago I made the difficult decision to add back in animal products after struggling with health issues/reading a lot of Dr Mercola information.

I eat strictly 'humanely' raised animal products and feel much, MUCH better after adding them in, but am struggling emotionally. The problem is that who I am as my deepest self (cruelty free animal lover) is conflicting big time with my dietary/bodily needs.

I am extremely gluten sensitive, and cannot tolerate dairy. Eggs are fine. I find myself eating a TON of eggs because they are a non-dead animal source of protein.

I've researched paleo-vegetarianism but am confused over what I would eat to fill up my day.

If anyone here is a paleo-vegetarian would you mind sharing your tips? Could you type out a sample menu of your daily fare?

I'm thinking of trying to switch back, but feel nervous after reading all the GAPS, Perfect Health, etc info. I truly do feel that meat is necessary and healthy now :/

But why is my health more important than the life of another animal?

Sigh. Thanks for any thoughts, and please only be positive and helpful.

-I should add I generally don't do well with nuts, even organic/soaked/sprouted ones so those are not an option for me as a staple...

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VB, I LOVE PIGS- I could watch videos of 'Hamlet the mini pig' on youtube all day long! One day, I plan on totally having a pet pig. I avoid eating pigs as well... I do enjoy the taste of meat for the most part when cooked well- it is the emotional part of eating meat that I am struggling with- not so much taste or health. I like the idea of doing lots of fish, and eggs, maybe liver once a month...

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on January 23, 2013
at 08:53 PM

I noticed in one of your responses the fact that you were quite good friends with a cow. I understand this deep connection with non-humans, but the way I look at it is the difference between "pet" and "livestock". I have a dog. I love my dog. I could eat a dog. I could not eat SOMEONE'S dog. Same for horse, rabbit, monkey, beaver, sheep, cow, etc.

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on January 21, 2013
at 03:34 AM

Kris, what is your response to Lierre Keiths argument that in every bowl of vegetarian grains, or legumes or corn there is genocide of entire species. The mice, birds, bison, rabbits, insects, billions of not just invidiual microbiota but billions of entire species of micobiota destroyed. There may be a face on your plate that we can understand on a gut level. But there is a mutli species megadeath in vegetarian foods.

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on January 20, 2013
at 05:07 PM

*And you're welcome!

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on January 20, 2013
at 05:07 PM

I soak them well and clean them first. (Google for good instructions.) I usually cook them in garlic, lemon, oil, and broth or white wine with some parsley at the end. Or, sometimes with SE Asian flavors (ginger, scallions, etc.) and coconut milk or broth. They only take a few minutes to prepare. I tend to do the same kind of thing with clams.

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on January 20, 2013
at 03:33 PM

Yes blueballoon at least in Canada all venison available for sale is farmed. Inuit-taken caribou is the only wild meat available here by law. People have to make under-the-table arrangements with local hunters in order to get wild game meat other than Inuit-taken caribou.

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on January 20, 2013
at 02:07 PM

Well there are a ton of ways you can eat them, a lot of people will shuck them and eat them raw. I don't, it just makes more sense to me to cook them first. These oysters look delicious http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDvtmf8yal0&feature=youtube_gdata_player . The main thing you want to get right is that when you buy them make sure they are tightly closed. Once they loosen up they're going bad. Other than that, just find a recipe that appeals to you, and pick your company wisely, remember these are nature's #1 aphrodisiac so whoever you eat these with might fall in love with you. Be careful ;).

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on January 20, 2013
at 02:32 AM

That is helpful, thanks. I bought some wild salmon today but at $20 per lb it isn't the most economical option. How do you prepare mussels?

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on January 20, 2013
at 02:29 AM

I don't know the first the about buying/preparing oysters...do you have any suggestions? How do you eat them?

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on January 19, 2013
at 10:44 PM

Be careful when you buy venison. The stuff you might find in the store is usually farmed. I'd see if you can find hunters local to you.

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on January 19, 2013
at 10:35 PM

To be completely honest, most seafood I find is comparable in price to grass-fed/local meats. You can find inexpensive and expensive varieties. I tend to get shellfish because my family likes it best, but I get wild Alaskan salmon whenever I can afford it.

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on January 19, 2013
at 10:33 PM

I don't know--how do you feel about other fish? Different varieties of shellfish and finfish can be inexpensive. I buy mussels quite often because they're about $3/lb. (Not that much if you don't count the shells, but I buy 2 lbs and it feeds my family with a healthy side of roasted potatoes and some green veggies.) I'd say maybe other fish if you're okay with them? Check out seafoodwatch.org for the most sustainable species. Sometimes we don't do any major protein source for dinner. I'll roast sweet potatoes and make a tahini dressing (fat/some protein) or make veggie soup. That help?

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on January 19, 2013
at 07:54 PM

Clearly we have different moral/possibly political POV's, which is fine. I wish you the best in trying to find what fits best for you :). David Moss also didn't agree with my opinion on importance of life, but we did have a lot of overlap in our dietary suggestions to you. I as well would like to stress the importance of dietary seafood, specifically shellfish since it is great for high quality health and low on the moral dilemma scale (no CNS/don't really feel pain like us). Oysters are a great addition and I encourage you to try and re'develop a taste for them.

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on January 19, 2013
at 06:57 PM

Thank you for finally answering my original question- I like the breakfast and lunch ideas...do you have any thoughts on what I could replace with meat with at dinner time?

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on January 19, 2013
at 06:55 PM

I agree! My grandmother is Hawaiian and and I find I feel great when I follow along with that way of eating-fish, coconut, taro, etc. I think there is a lot of be said about attempting to eat in line with your origins.

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on January 19, 2013
at 06:52 PM

I do agree about the plants- as well as being killed by a predator. I suppose as humans everything we are doing now is so incredibly out of line with the natural world that it brings a lot of things into question- if we were just another animal living in sync with our surroundings, none of this would be an issue. I should point out that I do not take issue with indigenous cultures and their killing/eating of animals.

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on January 19, 2013
at 06:47 PM

I don't think that questioning the ethics of killing another animal so you yourself can 'survive'(thrive) is a bad/defeatist thing. Do you think it is bad/defeatist to ask yourself - 'why is having cheap goods available to me more important than providing healthy working conditions/living wages to the people making them?' (with regard to sweatshops). It is important to think about these things. Also, I strictly eat organic, local, and CSA- We all have different outlooks and emotions on varying issues just trying to find what fits best with me. Thanks for the dietary suggestions.

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on January 19, 2013
at 06:37 PM

Thanks Marrten. It is a great suggestion to really sit with my emotions and try to look at the situation. I've done this a few times but just always come back to contradictions in eating meat and my feelings about doing so. I think that is why I have decided to try eating as vegetarian as possible while still following most Paleo guidelines- I think that is a happy medium for me.

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on January 19, 2013
at 06:35 PM

I attended Catholic schools K-12 but I do not believe in God. What resonates much more with me is the Buddhist philosophy which actually takes the ethical considerations of consuming animals to another level so wouldn't help. Thanks for the input though.

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on January 19, 2013
at 06:35 PM

@Sara S. You do lose chickens to wildlife if left out. It's great and all to let them roam free, but they're a pretty dumb defenseless animal.

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on January 19, 2013
at 06:32 PM

Ugh. I get it. I get that it is an oxymoron, OBVIOUSLY- so let me re-word: I AM LOOKING FOR PEOPLE WHO INCORPORATE ALL THE OTHER ASPECTS OF PALEO INTO THEIR VEGETARIAN DIET/LIFESTYLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Low-sugar, no-grain etc. to share what they eat on a daily basis!?

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on January 19, 2013
at 06:29 PM

I am aware of the food chain way of looking at things, as well as the fact that mixing morality with diet is a tricky thing. However, I have to ask, have you ever spent time sitting in a field with a cow (sounds silly) but my first 'best friend' was a cow. I spent days after school literally curled up on her in my backyard, and there was a huge connection between us. There is a connection you can have with other creatures that rises far above the dynamics of the food chain. There are a lot more facets to the relationship between man and animals that should be looked at.

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on January 19, 2013
at 06:29 PM

Let's make 2 assumptions here, let's first assume that 1) the life of one given animal IS absolutely necessarily and forever more important than yours. Let's now assume that 2) it is absolutely necessary for you to eat that one single animal if you want good health. Is it moral to eat that animal when it is necessarily more importantthanyou? Now let's say that you have an incurable disease, you will live the rest of your life in pain unless you kill and eat this animal, the animal is still more important, do you kill it? Is this moral? There comes a point where it just doesn't matter any more.

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on January 19, 2013
at 06:23 PM

Thanks Paul- I am going to look into where I could purchase venison/buffalo... I like the idea of eating wild game meat over domesticated animals.

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on January 19, 2013
at 06:20 PM

The better question is "If it were necessarily TRUE that the life of [any given animal] was more important than your life, and if the life of [any given animal] was what you needed to eat for good health, would you morally justify to yourself that you shouldn't eat it because it's 'TRUE' that the life of [any given animal] is more important than yours?" This is hogwash. My life is more important to me, and that animal's life is more important to him. Importance is 100% relevant this backwards moral dilemma indecisive paradoxical thinking is mental masturbation and a complete waste of time tbf.

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on January 19, 2013
at 06:20 PM

Thanks Derek- I do realize your points. I also am aware of sustainable/responsible animal husbandry methods and support them- but in the end these animals end up at the slaughterhouse- that is where I have a hard time coming to terms with it- I don't think any pig/chicken/cow isn't absolutely terrified when it is hosted upside down and sent down the line to be killed. There's a really violent element there that just hurts me to think about.

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on January 19, 2013
at 06:13 PM

Thanks David, your answer was helpful. I like the idea of having liver a few times a month to get important nutrients and then just eating mostly vegetarian with occasional fish. I have never been able to eat oysters, clams etc due to taste/texture but I could try again.

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on January 19, 2013
at 06:09 PM

Also, I'll try the lentils but feel a bit worried- usually lentils/grains/beans really upset my system regardless of how they are prepared, but I haven't done sprouted lentils in a very long time.

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on January 19, 2013
at 06:09 PM

I think it's important to ask *whether* [your health] is more important than [the life of another animal], when there's a choice between the two, so you can choose the most important thing. It's not a given that "what's optimal for me" is what's morally optimal. It's always appropriate to as whether x is more important y if you have a choice between x and y.

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on January 19, 2013
at 06:08 PM

I understand PETA's downsides, but there are a lot of positives as well and their messages reach a lot of people. I drifted away after learning things about the organization that were pretty bad, and also after realizing that the fanatical approach is not the best.

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on January 19, 2013
at 06:05 PM

I buy pasture-raised ones from Whole Foods for about 8.99 a dozen..imo that isn't expensive because they taste amazing and are so much better and the chickens are treated humanely. I know you can order them online as well from sites that specialize in pastured meats etc.

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on January 19, 2013
at 06:03 PM

Thanks David, love the other paleo oxymoron examples! obviously it is a contradiction- but I'm looking to take all the other principles of paleo and incorporate that into a vegetarian diet. @Sara- yes, I am looking for people to specifically list what their meal plan looks like :/

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on January 19, 2013
at 05:54 PM

killing. The list goes on and on and on of what you can't do, but who wants to live a life where the only thing they focus on is what they can't and shouldn't do? I'd rather focus on the next big step, next advancement, what I can do, how I can make it better. It's just a fundamental polar opposite mindset imho, but I think it's an important distinction.

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on January 19, 2013
at 05:53 PM

Yea, I plus 1ed you because you made a lot of the same points I did, but asking why my life is more important than the life of another animals is a flawed question. Why would it be more important? And why would it matter if it's more important or less important? As far as I'm concerned, the fact of the matter is I want what's optimal for me, because if I can't perform at my best, what good am I to anyone. And if you follow that trend long enough then you shouldn't eat vegetables because it destroys the habitat, you shouldn't eat meat because it's slavery, you shouldn't eat bugs because that's

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on January 19, 2013
at 05:30 PM

My point is that the meat is wasted :) PETA are NUTS, not even worth discussing.

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on January 19, 2013
at 05:29 PM

I think asking "why is my health more important than the life of another animal" is exactly the right question to be asking, but I agree with all the other points.

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on January 19, 2013
at 04:52 PM

+1 to balance out the -1 from the heathens.

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on January 19, 2013
at 04:51 PM

The amount of animals PETA kills ANNUALLY doesn't even put a dent in the amount of animals that are killed in pounds or animal shelters DAILY.

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on January 19, 2013
at 04:32 PM

If you can't find eggs from humanely raised chicken locally at farms or farmers markets, they do sell them at places like Whole Foods…however they are super expensive.

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on January 19, 2013
at 04:29 PM

I've hard a hard time finding eggs from chickens I think are actually humanely raised. There are some biodynamic farms that seem to get it, but since many farmers are worried about losing their chickens to wildlife if they're left outside, it's difficult to find chickens that actually get to be outside in the sun scratching around for bugs and stuff.

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on January 19, 2013
at 04:27 PM

I don't think even one answer actually answers the question asked: for paleo vegetarians to share what they eat each day.

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on January 19, 2013
at 03:59 PM

This is a good answer, imo. Eat eggs every day from humanely-raised chickens and oily ocean fish several times per week. If eating animals causes you a lot of stress, then it's not going to do you much good to force yourself.

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on January 19, 2013
at 03:47 PM

I eat when I'm hungry and I'm not someone who get bored of food. Breakfast is usually fruit, maybe a smoothy including coconut oil or eggs and salsa. Lunch is a salad sometimes with fish, dinner I might roast a whole head of cauliflower or broccoli. If I'm eating fish, it's about 6 oz at a time. I don't eat any dairy. If you look to Raw vegan recipes you'll find they are almost entirely Paleo and will give you a lot of variety. I am by no means underweight, I'm also very strong.

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on January 19, 2013
at 01:53 PM

Yeah I noticed that!! But that's ok!! It's all about respect & I respect those who do & don't. We are all here on paleohacks for different reasons. If some don't like my answer oh well!! I own my own business & get criticized all the time for what I have, have not, should or should not. I'm used to it!!!! To each their own & respect all. We obviously have common ground somewhere.... (We are on this site ;)

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on January 19, 2013
at 01:09 PM

No one from the paleolithic era would ever consider vegetarianism. They would be thankful they were capable of surviving another day.

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on January 19, 2013
at 01:08 PM

For whatever it's worth, I agree with you. Although anything that has even remote sense of religion on this forum is gonna get you shot down. Just an FYI.

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on January 19, 2013
at 12:32 PM

I like this answer, mixing morality with diet can definitely be a mistake for a lot of people because instead of listening to what their body wants they listen to a script in their head telling them what they should and shan't eat. I should know , being a former veg.

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on January 19, 2013
at 11:39 AM

Saying that paleo-vegetarian is an oxymoron is unhelpful. Strictly speaking non-seafood-paleo not-eating-any-plant-matter-paleo, not-eating-any-offal-paleo, not-walking 5-miles-a-day-paleo and using-beds-chairs-and-electric-light-paleo etc. are oxymoronic. A non-seafood-just-steak-paleo diet is probably less paleo, than a pescetarian-paleo one. Micronutritionally and macronutritionally, a diet without any animal flesh, but with egg yolks, can be close to 100% paleo.

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on January 19, 2013
at 11:14 AM

Paleo vegetarian is an oxymoron.

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on January 19, 2013
at 11:14 AM

Why is this getting downvotes? Paleo vegetarian IS an oxymoron.

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on January 19, 2013
at 06:45 AM

Liver is great with onions and creme-fraiche. Yum, yum, yum!!! Try it!

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on January 19, 2013
at 05:57 AM

Thanks- unfortunately I can't do nightshades or nuts :/ so those are out. Love avocado, and mushrooms so good there.

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on January 19, 2013
at 05:53 AM

Hi Rebecca, thanks for the input- what do your meals consist of- just mostly veggies? How to you set up your plate?

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on January 19, 2013
at 05:52 AM

I have read that book. I am super aware of all the health benefits/necessity of animal products (opposite of the China Study which I used to preach)- just hoping I can do it in a more vegetarian-friendly way :/ I will check out that blog VB, thanks.

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on January 19, 2013
at 05:28 AM

Vegetarianism made my health collapse. STUPIDEST fucking decision I ever made in my life and it's the only regret I have. I was a naive, easily-persuaded 16 year old who thought that vegetarianism would make me super healthy, super fit and would save the animals as well. Everybody wins! Except that's not how it works out for a good 90% of veggies. Supposedly. the only people who should even CONTEMPLATE vegetarianism, let alone actually become one, are Blood Type A individuals.

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on January 19, 2013
at 05:04 AM

And you can look up Denise Minger's blog. She was a vegan for the same reasons you are. She is totally pro-animals. Now she eats meat - she encountered too many health problems.

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on January 19, 2013
at 04:45 AM

I am not a Paleo vegetarian, but I also love pigs. I think they are so cute! They are probably the cutest animals around. I don't like any other animals like that and I can eat pretty much any other meat - I would even try dog meat if I could. Grass-fed beef tastes really great, especially with powdered ginger and celtic salt. Try it and you will forget about the other animal's life. It is just so tasty - you won't care. Fish is good too, and egg yolks. So if you have wild Alaskan salmon every day and pastured eggs and meat once in a while - you are all set!

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E35e3d76547b18096a59c90029e7e107

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on January 19, 2013
at 10:24 AM

I think it's definitely possible to eat a healthy vegetarian paleo diet.

If you eat a paleo-starch based diet, you're already most of the way there, because eating a lot of your calories from plain potatoes (if you deem them paleo) will give you most of your micro-nutritional needs and a pretty significant dose of your protein requirements (which will be lower anyway if you're not low carbing). Then you just need a small amount of fish or other 'meat'on the side.

If you're OK with eating fish, then again, it's extremely easy to be paleo. Just eat standard paleo but with mussels, prawns (sorry: 'shrimp') or normal fish in place of red meat. You might also find mussels/prawns/oysters etc. less of an ethical worry. I find it unlikely that you're missing anything terribly important by eating seafood rather than land animals (maybe l-carnitine, creatine, CLA or something, who knows, but this isn't the end of the world) and in fact it's quite possible that such a seafood diet would be healthier (and maybe even more paleo) than a standard red muscle meat paleo diet.

If you're not keen to eat a moderate amount of seafood and you want to follow a more standard protein + low calorie/low carb vegetable paleo diet, then it'll be a bit trickier. Basically here eat a large amount of any combination of paleo plants (vegetables/some fruit/tubers) however you like. This shouldn't be a challenge given your raw food background. That will give you a good background of micronutrients and fill up most of your plate. Then you just need to add some animal-specific nutrients, so I suppose that is going to have to be a lot of egg yolks by default. Egg white will give you nothing other than plain protein, so much as you'll need a source of protein, you may need to start eating some egg yolks separately in order to get enough. I find these are very tasty lightly fried, just like a normal fried egg, or you can do various things with them raw if you're so inclined. This figure for 'a cup' is, I think, around 14 egg yolks, which gives you an impression of how much nutrition you'll get just eating egg yolks (I'm just suggesting you eat 14 a day- you can work out the figures for a smaller number manually). Finally: if you are just concerned with getting those necessary meat-related nutrients and you can stomach it, then the simplest way would simply be to eat a small amount of liver now and again and just eat whatever paleo plants you like the rest of the time. This will ensure you get the necessary micronutrients a lot more than dutifully eating steak every day.

Feel free to comment if you have more specific questions.

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on January 19, 2013
at 06:13 PM

Thanks David, your answer was helpful. I like the idea of having liver a few times a month to get important nutrients and then just eating mostly vegetarian with occasional fish. I have never been able to eat oysters, clams etc due to taste/texture but I could try again.

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on January 19, 2013
at 05:33 PM

I'm not vegetarian, but I do eat a pretty small amount of meat compared to most people following a paleo/PHD/primal/whatever diet. I eat eggs daily, and shellfish a couple of times a week. I think that is most important to get the nutrients from animal products that you can't get easily from plants. I don't eat a ton of protein, honestly. I eat higher fat, moderate carb, adequate protein. There've been a few threads similar to yours, though I haven't done a search lately. I don't think large amounts of protein are necessary unless you really need it for sport recovery/performance. Of course everyone is different, but I usually try to get about 75-90g/day on a 2100-22200 cal/day eating pattern. That's about 13-15% of my calories from protein. I'm a 5'4, 135lb woman.

If you're up for eating bivalves and eggs regularly, I think you can have a perfectly healthful diet. Just please make sure you get enough fat and starch. "Paleo" is more about avoiding toxic stuff than subscribing to any particular macro ratio or eating bacon and steak regularly. Bivalves and other shellfish are incredibly complete as far as nutrition is concerned. Egg yolks are the same way.

I eat meat a few times a week, and enjoy it, but I can't afford a lot of it. (I only buy my meat from local farms that I can visit. I don't feel comfortable buying CAFO meat.) This is what I eat regularly:

Breakfasts: eggs in ghee or olive oil + kale + a sliced apple or bowl of berries (etc.), depending on the season. Sometimes I have chestnut or rice flour crepes (coconut milk, eggs, chestnut flour, vanilla)

Lunch: Usually potatoes or sweet potatoes. Often I'll make a Spanish tortilla (lots of olive oil, potatoes, onion, eggs) or a fritatta with veggies. Usually fruit or other veggie with. Sometimes I make soup with winter squash or potatoes. (If I do soup I usually use bone broth since I make it regularly, but if you would rather not you can use vegetable broth or water.)

Dinner: shellfish (shrimp or bivalves) or meat. My family of four (two adults, two kids) usually consumes about a pound of meat when we eat it. Lots of veggies, plenty of olive or coconut oil (or home-rendered lard, but I know you're not interested in that!). Usually either winter squash, sweet potatoes, white potatoes, or rice (I know, not "paleo," but it's cheap and relatively benign.)

As for the ethical question: I try to look at it this way: Humans are omnivores (teeth, gut, etc.). No other animal on the planet worries about not eating something because it's not ethical. They eat what keeps them alive and healthy. Herbivores eat plants (and probably some bugs accidentally). Carnivores don't eat potatoes because that'd be silly. We can and should eat a little of all sorts of different things. I think that as humans we have the responsibility to be conscious of our decisions. I don't think we're necessarily MORE important than other animals, but we are certainly not LESS important. We need to treat our own bodies with the respect that we give other animals. Unfortunately, when I was vegan I did not do that and ended up with terrible dental and joint problems, and my anxiety was through the roof. I don't see how that's ethical at all. (Also, I have children. My responsibility to them is to help them grow into healthy adults. Evolutionarily speaking, so that they can then have healthy children.) I don't think it's ethical to eat CAFO animals, but I also do not think that it's ethical to deny our own animal bodies of what is necessary for health.

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on January 19, 2013
at 06:57 PM

Thank you for finally answering my original question- I like the breakfast and lunch ideas...do you have any thoughts on what I could replace with meat with at dinner time?

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on January 19, 2013
at 10:35 PM

To be completely honest, most seafood I find is comparable in price to grass-fed/local meats. You can find inexpensive and expensive varieties. I tend to get shellfish because my family likes it best, but I get wild Alaskan salmon whenever I can afford it.

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on January 20, 2013
at 02:32 AM

That is helpful, thanks. I bought some wild salmon today but at $20 per lb it isn't the most economical option. How do you prepare mussels?

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on January 19, 2013
at 10:33 PM

I don't know--how do you feel about other fish? Different varieties of shellfish and finfish can be inexpensive. I buy mussels quite often because they're about $3/lb. (Not that much if you don't count the shells, but I buy 2 lbs and it feeds my family with a healthy side of roasted potatoes and some green veggies.) I'd say maybe other fish if you're okay with them? Check out seafoodwatch.org for the most sustainable species. Sometimes we don't do any major protein source for dinner. I'll roast sweet potatoes and make a tahini dressing (fat/some protein) or make veggie soup. That help?

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on January 20, 2013
at 05:07 PM

I soak them well and clean them first. (Google for good instructions.) I usually cook them in garlic, lemon, oil, and broth or white wine with some parsley at the end. Or, sometimes with SE Asian flavors (ginger, scallions, etc.) and coconut milk or broth. They only take a few minutes to prepare. I tend to do the same kind of thing with clams.

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on January 20, 2013
at 05:07 PM

*And you're welcome!

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on January 19, 2013
at 05:14 AM

I was vegan, now Paleo but I do eat fish from time to time and am very healthy. I also don't eat meat because I love animals. I eat a ton of organic veggies, healthy fats, organic cage free eggs, fruit, nuts, seeds. There is plenty to eat that doesn't involve dead animals.

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on January 19, 2013
at 06:35 PM

@Sara S. You do lose chickens to wildlife if left out. It's great and all to let them roam free, but they're a pretty dumb defenseless animal.

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on January 19, 2013
at 03:59 PM

This is a good answer, imo. Eat eggs every day from humanely-raised chickens and oily ocean fish several times per week. If eating animals causes you a lot of stress, then it's not going to do you much good to force yourself.

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on January 19, 2013
at 04:29 PM

I've hard a hard time finding eggs from chickens I think are actually humanely raised. There are some biodynamic farms that seem to get it, but since many farmers are worried about losing their chickens to wildlife if they're left outside, it's difficult to find chickens that actually get to be outside in the sun scratching around for bugs and stuff.

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on January 19, 2013
at 04:32 PM

If you can't find eggs from humanely raised chicken locally at farms or farmers markets, they do sell them at places like Whole Foods…however they are super expensive.

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on January 19, 2013
at 06:05 PM

I buy pasture-raised ones from Whole Foods for about 8.99 a dozen..imo that isn't expensive because they taste amazing and are so much better and the chickens are treated humanely. I know you can order them online as well from sites that specialize in pastured meats etc.

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on January 19, 2013
at 05:53 AM

Hi Rebecca, thanks for the input- what do your meals consist of- just mostly veggies? How to you set up your plate?

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on January 19, 2013
at 03:47 PM

I eat when I'm hungry and I'm not someone who get bored of food. Breakfast is usually fruit, maybe a smoothy including coconut oil or eggs and salsa. Lunch is a salad sometimes with fish, dinner I might roast a whole head of cauliflower or broccoli. If I'm eating fish, it's about 6 oz at a time. I don't eat any dairy. If you look to Raw vegan recipes you'll find they are almost entirely Paleo and will give you a lot of variety. I am by no means underweight, I'm also very strong.

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on January 19, 2013
at 04:27 AM

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on January 19, 2013
at 05:52 AM

I have read that book. I am super aware of all the health benefits/necessity of animal products (opposite of the China Study which I used to preach)- just hoping I can do it in a more vegetarian-friendly way :/ I will check out that blog VB, thanks.

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on January 19, 2013
at 05:04 AM

And you can look up Denise Minger's blog. She was a vegan for the same reasons you are. She is totally pro-animals. Now she eats meat - she encountered too many health problems.

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on January 21, 2013
at 03:34 AM

Kris, what is your response to Lierre Keiths argument that in every bowl of vegetarian grains, or legumes or corn there is genocide of entire species. The mice, birds, bison, rabbits, insects, billions of not just invidiual microbiota but billions of entire species of micobiota destroyed. There may be a face on your plate that we can understand on a gut level. But there is a mutli species megadeath in vegetarian foods.

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on January 19, 2013
at 01:23 PM

If you can do eggs/fish/shellfish. There's no reason in the world I can figure why you need to eat beef/pork/chicken/ect. . . . Rock the eggs and aquatic meals!! You won't be missing out and the emotional stress you would have forcing down a steak should be minimized.

Also, remembering that ALL life is finite could help. Your life. My life. Every plant and animal is a living organism that will someday move on from this world. Remembering that helps me everyday to get off my ass and try things. But, loving the animals, go meet your ranchers and chicken farmers!!! The ones who get the cows into the fields and feed them grass and don't continually poke them with antibiotics. Those animals are living as good of a life as we are, if not better. Lots of people all around us are killing ourselves and dying being fat and sick. We deserve to live better too. But I absolutely know that I would rather spend a few days in this world living wonderfully. Than many days sick and loathing my life. I am happy spending money for wonderfully humainly (tastier) raised animals. Yes, their life may come to an end, but so will everything else's. But I know I paid for it to have the best life possible until then. And I know that will be one more animal that rancher can take away from a factory farm of a death camp.

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on January 19, 2013
at 06:20 PM

Thanks Derek- I do realize your points. I also am aware of sustainable/responsible animal husbandry methods and support them- but in the end these animals end up at the slaughterhouse- that is where I have a hard time coming to terms with it- I don't think any pig/chicken/cow isn't absolutely terrified when it is hosted upside down and sent down the line to be killed. There's a really violent element there that just hurts me to think about.

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on January 19, 2013
at 06:22 AM

Ok this is not exactly paleo but neither is a vegetarian diet. Maybe it will be helpful. I am always sprouting lentils on my counter in a big jar. Soak for a few hours and drain. I don't even need to rinse or anything, they grow so quickly and easily. A good 3 days or so. I eat them less than I eat nuts, and sometimes simmered in bone broth until soft, then made into a 'loaf' with other ingredients ... I think it is a good compromise for a vegetarian 'paleo' eater.

As for the moral question of your life being more important than another animal-- it isn't. Nor is your life more important than another human. Yet, that's how life works, every day that you live it is at the expense of others. Even if you do not directly eat the flesh of an animal, animals died to feed you. You can try to minimize harm, but whether a vegetarian or vegan diet actually accomplishes that is debatable.

And, I mean this in all seriousness, plants have a kind of sentience and a right to live as well, and they also deserve compassion and respect when we take their life to feed ourselves.

Also, PETA?? Yikes. http://www.petakillsanimals.com/ Maybe we would kill less chickens pigs and cows if we could eat all the cats and dogs killed by PETA. Total waste of meat really.

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on January 19, 2013
at 06:09 PM

Also, I'll try the lentils but feel a bit worried- usually lentils/grains/beans really upset my system regardless of how they are prepared, but I haven't done sprouted lentils in a very long time.

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on January 19, 2013
at 04:51 PM

The amount of animals PETA kills ANNUALLY doesn't even put a dent in the amount of animals that are killed in pounds or animal shelters DAILY.

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on January 19, 2013
at 05:30 PM

My point is that the meat is wasted :) PETA are NUTS, not even worth discussing.

E45c5a1c8df73da5e03bb6e7e90f8420

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on January 19, 2013
at 06:08 PM

I understand PETA's downsides, but there are a lot of positives as well and their messages reach a lot of people. I drifted away after learning things about the organization that were pretty bad, and also after realizing that the fanatical approach is not the best.

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on January 19, 2013
at 02:49 PM

I'm not a vegetarian, but as to your morality struggles, I try to find wild caught local freshwater fish and wild game meat. That way I know the animal has lived its natural way for its natural lifetime (ending in its natural death between the teeth of a predator, i.e. me) which I find important both for health and morality. Organisms that are stressed and miserable have toxic flesh, and I don't want to eat that. Also I don't want to encourage inhumane penning, feed and butchering processes. In this country all commercially sold meat has to be slaughtered in a government certified abbatoir, with the exception of Inuit who are allowed to hunt caribou and market it. Maybe there are similar allowances in other parts of the continent. There are a few places around my city where I can buy it. Fish is more difficult. There is at least one major grocery chain in this area that sells whole local lake trout at one of its more outlying, cottage-country outlets, but they're most likely farmed or at least from a stocked pond rather than truly wild caught. When I was in the UK it was much easier to find wild caught ocean fish because most locations are not that far from the seaside.

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on January 19, 2013
at 06:23 PM

Thanks Paul- I am going to look into where I could purchase venison/buffalo... I like the idea of eating wild game meat over domesticated animals.

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on January 20, 2013
at 03:33 PM

Yes blueballoon at least in Canada all venison available for sale is farmed. Inuit-taken caribou is the only wild meat available here by law. People have to make under-the-table arrangements with local hunters in order to get wild game meat other than Inuit-taken caribou.

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on January 19, 2013
at 10:44 PM

Be careful when you buy venison. The stuff you might find in the store is usually farmed. I'd see if you can find hunters local to you.

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on January 19, 2013
at 01:19 PM

You're not asking how to be a paleo vegetarian, you're asking how to be a paleo pescatarian. Paleo pescatarian Might be at least as healthy as a regular paleo diet. I can't really think of any meat that's a better source of vitamins and minerals than shellfish and small oily fish.

You say "But why is my health more important than the life of another animal? Sigh". I don't like this, it's a defeatist frame. If you read leirre kieths book you know how agriculture decimates any given piece of land, destroying The ecosystem down to the insects and bacteria. So no matter what you decide to eat, you're having an effect on the rest of the world, for better or worse.

So to help get this pecimistic view out of your head I want to suggest you start including some oysters in your diet. They'll increase your libido and your outlook on life. You want to be on that optimistic conquering state, not that pessimistic defeatist state.

When it comes to meals it looks like the only animal products you're eating is eggs and seafood. If you eat a lot of eggs, I suggest you separate and throw out the whites, there are hardly any nutrients or calories in the whites and they tend to mess with digestion in a lot of people.

Since you aren't getting a lotta protein you're going to need some carbs and fats to meet your rda for calories. Paleo carbs include squashes and tubers, like potatoes, yucca, taro etc. This will be easier if you live near a good farmers market.

For fat, I'd suggest ghee, butter, lard or Coconut Oil.

Seafood and eggs are both good protein sources, you already know my opinion on shellfish, I really think you should meet your rda for protein from these animal products, as opposed to vegetable products. You said you love your avocados, so I'd watch your o3:o6 ratio but I think that's about it.

Let me know if you have any questions or think I'm wrong about something. The reason I know a little more/have more to say is because I grew up in a vegetarian household, so only now am I turning the tide in my fam to a more paleo lifestyle. Besides, I hate to see a pretty face in distress so you better figure this out or else!!!

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on January 19, 2013
at 05:53 PM

Yea, I plus 1ed you because you made a lot of the same points I did, but asking why my life is more important than the life of another animals is a flawed question. Why would it be more important? And why would it matter if it's more important or less important? As far as I'm concerned, the fact of the matter is I want what's optimal for me, because if I can't perform at my best, what good am I to anyone. And if you follow that trend long enough then you shouldn't eat vegetables because it destroys the habitat, you shouldn't eat meat because it's slavery, you shouldn't eat bugs because that's

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on January 19, 2013
at 06:47 PM

I don't think that questioning the ethics of killing another animal so you yourself can 'survive'(thrive) is a bad/defeatist thing. Do you think it is bad/defeatist to ask yourself - 'why is having cheap goods available to me more important than providing healthy working conditions/living wages to the people making them?' (with regard to sweatshops). It is important to think about these things. Also, I strictly eat organic, local, and CSA- We all have different outlooks and emotions on varying issues just trying to find what fits best with me. Thanks for the dietary suggestions.

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on January 19, 2013
at 05:29 PM

I think asking "why is my health more important than the life of another animal" is exactly the right question to be asking, but I agree with all the other points.

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(10989)

on January 19, 2013
at 06:20 PM

The better question is "If it were necessarily TRUE that the life of [any given animal] was more important than your life, and if the life of [any given animal] was what you needed to eat for good health, would you morally justify to yourself that you shouldn't eat it because it's 'TRUE' that the life of [any given animal] is more important than yours?" This is hogwash. My life is more important to me, and that animal's life is more important to him. Importance is 100% relevant this backwards moral dilemma indecisive paradoxical thinking is mental masturbation and a complete waste of time tbf.

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(10989)

on January 20, 2013
at 02:07 PM

Well there are a ton of ways you can eat them, a lot of people will shuck them and eat them raw. I don't, it just makes more sense to me to cook them first. These oysters look delicious http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDvtmf8yal0&feature=youtube_gdata_player . The main thing you want to get right is that when you buy them make sure they are tightly closed. Once they loosen up they're going bad. Other than that, just find a recipe that appeals to you, and pick your company wisely, remember these are nature's #1 aphrodisiac so whoever you eat these with might fall in love with you. Be careful ;).

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on January 19, 2013
at 06:29 PM

Let's make 2 assumptions here, let's first assume that 1) the life of one given animal IS absolutely necessarily and forever more important than yours. Let's now assume that 2) it is absolutely necessary for you to eat that one single animal if you want good health. Is it moral to eat that animal when it is necessarily more importantthanyou? Now let's say that you have an incurable disease, you will live the rest of your life in pain unless you kill and eat this animal, the animal is still more important, do you kill it? Is this moral? There comes a point where it just doesn't matter any more.

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on January 19, 2013
at 07:54 PM

Clearly we have different moral/possibly political POV's, which is fine. I wish you the best in trying to find what fits best for you :). David Moss also didn't agree with my opinion on importance of life, but we did have a lot of overlap in our dietary suggestions to you. I as well would like to stress the importance of dietary seafood, specifically shellfish since it is great for high quality health and low on the moral dilemma scale (no CNS/don't really feel pain like us). Oysters are a great addition and I encourage you to try and re'develop a taste for them.

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(15613)

on January 19, 2013
at 06:09 PM

I think it's important to ask *whether* [your health] is more important than [the life of another animal], when there's a choice between the two, so you can choose the most important thing. It's not a given that "what's optimal for me" is what's morally optimal. It's always appropriate to as whether x is more important y if you have a choice between x and y.

E45c5a1c8df73da5e03bb6e7e90f8420

(644)

on January 20, 2013
at 02:29 AM

I don't know the first the about buying/preparing oysters...do you have any suggestions? How do you eat them?

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(10989)

on January 19, 2013
at 05:54 PM

killing. The list goes on and on and on of what you can't do, but who wants to live a life where the only thing they focus on is what they can't and shouldn't do? I'd rather focus on the next big step, next advancement, what I can do, how I can make it better. It's just a fundamental polar opposite mindset imho, but I think it's an important distinction.

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on January 19, 2013
at 06:49 PM

Firstly, I recommend everyone (vegans and non) to track their calories and vitamins and minerals with something like http://nutritiondata.self.com

I use it and I love it because unlike myfitnesspal.com (I actually use both off and on), you actually get to see the daily values for all the vitamins and minerals as well as fats, etc. for most of the raw foods you eat.

I was going to try to be a lowfat raw (no beans) vegan 80/10/10, but I really like the idea of keeping my muscle mass! We may have been frugivores millenia ago, but I believe our bodies now require some animal protein. I am therefore striving to be as raw as possible, but including some form of fish in my diet (salmon, tuna, sardines -- traditional Japanese fish).

Yes, I am concerned about mercury, and am looking for a source of farmed fish with no mercury as we speak.

I eat LOTS of fruit (mainly bananas, apples, berries, oranges, grapefruit, tomatoes) and veggies (mainly salad greens, parsley, spinach, kale, carrots, celery).

I eat small amounts of fish for the essential fatty acids and protein.

I eat almonds for fat and protein as well.

That's about it. I do make it a point to prevent eating fats and sugars together in the same meal though, as I believe this is a huge reason that people stay fat or have a hard time losing fat.

I take only ONE supplement and it's a Centrum Chewable multi.

I quit smoking. I quit drinking. I quit eating processed foods, dairy, and grains.

When having impeccable health becomes more important than your so-called "cravings" and addictions, quitting cold turkey is EASY because you have had an IDENTITY CHANGE.

Good luck and keep an open mind always!

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on January 19, 2013
at 04:46 PM

I think you can be quite healthy with mostly vegetables and some seafood or eggs everyday. Some native cultures ( Pacific Islanders) thrive on this traditional diet. Coconut for additional healthy fats.

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(644)

on January 19, 2013
at 06:55 PM

I agree! My grandmother is Hawaiian and and I find I feel great when I follow along with that way of eating-fish, coconut, taro, etc. I think there is a lot of be said about attempting to eat in line with your origins.

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on January 19, 2013
at 03:13 PM

If you have ethical issues with eating animals, then I would recommend eating the underutilized cuts of meat, like the tongue, heart, liver, tendons etc. Let the mainstream eat their steaks, and ground beef, and tenderloins (which they will, gladly), but that also leaves a HUGE percentage of the animal that goes to waste. By eating less conventional cuts you should be able to feel better that an animal would have been killed to feed the masses anyway is not going to waste.

Also, it was mentioned earlier, but plants really ARE aware. There are many different and very interesting articles and videos you can find with just a preliminary Google search on this subject. The way I see it everything is just cells, and everything destroys cells in order to survive and one day I will be consumed as well. If I were to be killed and eaten by a bear, lion, or wolf (etc) I would not begrudge them for following their genetic imperative to survive, but I would also fight like hell to prevent them from eating me at that moment. Life is a struggle for all things, there are winners and losers, but the important thing is to be grateful for those who have lost so that you may win.

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on January 19, 2013
at 06:52 PM

I do agree about the plants- as well as being killed by a predator. I suppose as humans everything we are doing now is so incredibly out of line with the natural world that it brings a lot of things into question- if we were just another animal living in sync with our surroundings, none of this would be an issue. I should point out that I do not take issue with indigenous cultures and their killing/eating of animals.

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on January 23, 2013
at 08:53 PM

I noticed in one of your responses the fact that you were quite good friends with a cow. I understand this deep connection with non-humans, but the way I look at it is the difference between "pet" and "livestock". I have a dog. I love my dog. I could eat a dog. I could not eat SOMEONE'S dog. Same for horse, rabbit, monkey, beaver, sheep, cow, etc.

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on January 19, 2013
at 11:18 AM

Hi Kris,

This emotional struggle must be hard on you. I can relate, however in a less intense manner. I was raised as a vegetarian, and my mother has very strict beliefs about eating animals (and also poor health for that matter). She is really pissed about eating animals and the cruelty she percieves, but she did allow me to make my own choices. But it was totally clear to me that she wanted me to be a vegetarian. So to this day, every time I eat meat, I feel guilty or rebellious, not following in her footsteps.

From my own experience, I recommend you take some time to research your emotions about the meat-issue. What conversation do you need to have with yourselve? If you have done this, all practical choices will become clear.

E45c5a1c8df73da5e03bb6e7e90f8420

(644)

on January 19, 2013
at 06:37 PM

Thanks Marrten. It is a great suggestion to really sit with my emotions and try to look at the situation. I've done this a few times but just always come back to contradictions in eating meat and my feelings about doing so. I think that is why I have decided to try eating as vegetarian as possible while still following most Paleo guidelines- I think that is a happy medium for me.

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on January 19, 2013
at 09:49 AM

Are you religious at all? I was raised on a farm & we had our own cows, pigs & chickens. I jus always try o remember that God put them here for our benefit. Regardless of how much I loved my animals I knew they are as beneficial to us alive as they are dead.

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on January 19, 2013
at 01:53 PM

Yeah I noticed that!! But that's ok!! It's all about respect & I respect those who do & don't. We are all here on paleohacks for different reasons. If some don't like my answer oh well!! I own my own business & get criticized all the time for what I have, have not, should or should not. I'm used to it!!!! To each their own & respect all. We obviously have common ground somewhere.... (We are on this site ;)

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on January 19, 2013
at 06:35 PM

I attended Catholic schools K-12 but I do not believe in God. What resonates much more with me is the Buddhist philosophy which actually takes the ethical considerations of consuming animals to another level so wouldn't help. Thanks for the input though.

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on January 19, 2013
at 04:52 PM

+1 to balance out the -1 from the heathens.

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on January 19, 2013
at 01:08 PM

For whatever it's worth, I agree with you. Although anything that has even remote sense of religion on this forum is gonna get you shot down. Just an FYI.

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on January 19, 2013
at 08:17 AM

there is not such a thing PALEO and VEGETARIAN. it's a oxymoron. you need your meat!

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on January 19, 2013
at 06:32 PM

Ugh. I get it. I get that it is an oxymoron, OBVIOUSLY- so let me re-word: I AM LOOKING FOR PEOPLE WHO INCORPORATE ALL THE OTHER ASPECTS OF PALEO INTO THEIR VEGETARIAN DIET/LIFESTYLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Low-sugar, no-grain etc. to share what they eat on a daily basis!?

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on January 19, 2013
at 01:09 PM

No one from the paleolithic era would ever consider vegetarianism. They would be thankful they were capable of surviving another day.

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on January 19, 2013
at 11:14 AM

Why is this getting downvotes? Paleo vegetarian IS an oxymoron.

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on January 19, 2013
at 06:50 AM

Your simply respecting animals more than yourself. While your mind may be much more advanced than the animals you eat. Unfortunately, your body isn't. Trying to mix morality with diet is always going to be bad news. Your body simply needs meat.

Lions eat meat. If you had a lion as a pet would you force it to eat a vegetarian diet? Of course not. Because a lion is meant to eat other animals. So are you. By denying yourself this your denying yourself health. Much like the end of Titanic when there were only so many life boats, somebody is going to die or suffer. It can be you or the animal. You can try doing a ton of beans and avocados, but this won't work for long.

Respect the food chain, respect nature, and eat meat. If your really loved animals you would respect them for what they are animals. Some animals are meant to be eaten. A animal lover you are not. If you truly loved animals you would eat them and acknowledge them for what they are, food. Otherwise the animal in you will suffer.

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on January 19, 2013
at 12:32 PM

I like this answer, mixing morality with diet can definitely be a mistake for a lot of people because instead of listening to what their body wants they listen to a script in their head telling them what they should and shan't eat. I should know , being a former veg.

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on January 19, 2013
at 06:29 PM

I am aware of the food chain way of looking at things, as well as the fact that mixing morality with diet is a tricky thing. However, I have to ask, have you ever spent time sitting in a field with a cow (sounds silly) but my first 'best friend' was a cow. I spent days after school literally curled up on her in my backyard, and there was a huge connection between us. There is a connection you can have with other creatures that rises far above the dynamics of the food chain. There are a lot more facets to the relationship between man and animals that should be looked at.

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on January 19, 2013
at 06:23 AM

I've been heading the opposite way for quite a while now. I use kefir (made from raw milk/coconut milk), lots of eggs, raw cheese, some fish and bone broth. I stopped, for the most part, eating meat because it is expensive to get quality meat...and meat isn't a necessary menu item.

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on January 19, 2013
at 05:35 AM

I once tried paleo vegetarian for a day, I had nuts, eggs, eggplant, avocado, and mushrooms.

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on January 19, 2013
at 05:57 AM

Thanks- unfortunately I can't do nightshades or nuts :/ so those are out. Love avocado, and mushrooms so good there.

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