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Commented on December 04, 2013
Created November 30, 2013 at 10:31 PM

i am new to Paleo and i love it BUT i am already comparing it to Doc Furhman's offerings. for instance, i want to eat beans. beans are so darned healthy so why can i NOT eat beans on Paleo?

715308c614ad6928c9c78bacbeb9122e

on December 04, 2013
at 08:06 PM

well, that was easy enuf. wasn't i doing that already? i guess not. anyway, thanks for explaining for me but as i see it Paleo is not for me because i need a plan to follow not to "think for myself" and "decide for myself." i need something plain and simple to follow with foods to eat and foods to avoid kinda thing. i think i am switching over to Nutritarian by Doc Joel Furhman. he impresses me with all his enthusiasm and all the personal accts of those eating his way are very encouraging.

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on December 04, 2013
at 04:52 AM

And http://www.marksdailyapple.com/are-peas-and-green-beans-healthy/#axzz2mTiSNRSf

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on December 04, 2013
at 04:51 AM

@denipink56 I think the problem is wrt to eating & esp Paleo, you're a bit too rule bound. There are certain tenets that are more or less fixed... others tend to be a bit squishy.>>>Why do you recommend I eat them?<<< because you wrote >>>>I want to eat beans. Beans are so darned healthy so why can I not eat beans on Paleo? <<<<< There are no "Paleo Police" take a look at http://www.marksdailyapple.com/beans-legumes-carbs/#axzz2mTiSNRSf

715308c614ad6928c9c78bacbeb9122e

on December 03, 2013
at 02:20 PM

if beans are restricted on Paleo list of foods to eat, why do you recommend i eat them? this is really confusing to me because i like Paleo so much because they provide me with a good plan that i can follow. i don't have to make all these decisions myself. i just don't know enuf about good nutrition is all. i am getting better tho. thanks.

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on December 02, 2013
at 09:53 PM

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good luck, i have faith you can work it out...pls

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on December 02, 2013
at 09:33 PM

good question @CDone, idk the answer. you could try asking PJ in response to that quote i linked above to see if he can explain further...

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on December 02, 2013
at 09:03 PM

@denipink56 Your practice of "replying" to an answer or comment with an "answer" rather than an attached comment is making your question & the 'real' answers contributed by other PH'ers very difficult to follow. You see, answers can "move around" based on up votes or down votes. Comments move with the answer or comment to which they apply. For readability & making this thread useful in the future, please consider copying & pasting your answers into appropriately located comments.

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on December 02, 2013
at 08:37 PM

@CDone an excellent question... just a WAG but I figure that toxins created by plants come at some 'energy cost'. Energy that could have been put to use making a bigger plant, more seeds or thorns or irritant leaves... it's all about reproductive success. Different evolutionary paths.....

My understanding is that seeds tend to have the most "defenses"... leaves less.

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on December 02, 2013
at 08:30 PM

I'm with you on the string beans (growing them now Nov - Dec SoCal) but I believe string beans are less problematic because we consume them when they are not fully mature.

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on December 02, 2013
at 04:25 PM

Beans are not vegetables. They are legumes and they are on the list of harmful foods.

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on December 02, 2013
at 02:00 PM

Why are you posting your responses as answers and not comments to the person you are replying to? I'd suggest deleting non-answers, and replying to the answer you are responding to before your question gets closed.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

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on December 02, 2013
at 01:58 PM

why haven't all plants developed those toxins?

141c6b3d5e9506dd93881e3f9737f297

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on December 02, 2013
at 05:10 AM

one persons recent thoughts on legumes...

"Legumes are grassland plants that have been fed upon by grazing mammals for millions of years, thus they’ve evolved toxins that suppress mammalian digestion. Their saving grace is that many of these toxins can be destroyed by soaking and thorough cooking. However, most people are impatient cooks, so we recommend avoiding them" Paul Jaminet quote, Source

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on December 02, 2013
at 03:27 AM

I can't help but wonder why you're eating paleo in the first place.

141c6b3d5e9506dd93881e3f9737f297

(55)

on December 02, 2013
at 01:23 AM

"i am supposed to understand what you wrote?"...what who wrote?

...why do some people here ask questions or respond to comments with an 'Answer'.

pls use comments to respond to answers & comments if possible

56c28e3654d4dd8a8abdb2c1f525202e

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on December 02, 2013
at 01:15 AM

they are very good. asparagus shoots are only mildly toxic raw. you would die if you were to eat a mature plant, and you would die if you were to eat a pound of parsley. so the raw/cooked litmus test is not so clear cut for me….

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on December 01, 2013
at 11:54 PM

Paleo usually means no beans. The point is that if it works for you why not.

As previously stated, a pain to deal with and I really don't like them enough to bother with.

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on December 01, 2013
at 11:52 PM

I guess my natural instincts kicked in and I avoid them. Why would I want to eat furniture anyway?

56c28e3654d4dd8a8abdb2c1f525202e

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on December 01, 2013
at 08:31 PM

bamboo shoots, of course, being toxic raw (at least for some species of bamboo)...

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on December 01, 2013
at 08:25 PM

Are beans strict paleo? No.

Can one consume beans and maintain a healthy lifestyle? Yes.

Should you eat beans? I'd eliminate them for three weeks, then reintroduce them for three weeks. If you feel good with beans, then stay with it.

How do I consume beans? Buy them dried, soak them for a day or two, then cook.

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on December 01, 2013
at 03:58 PM

I agree with all you say EXCPET the water changes. I used to do that, but since reading to leave the water and allow the beans to ferment, I have found the beans much more digestible. About 24 / 36 hours so they are going bubbly, rinse well and cook (pressure cook for preference). NO nasty side effects such as wind (gas) or gurgling at all now.

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on December 01, 2013
at 06:34 AM

I'd say you should just soak em and eat them it that is what you want. No sense denying a food you enjoy if it isn't going to kill you.

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on December 01, 2013
at 06:32 AM

Don't have any a position to offer, other than I can eat raw asparagus but prefer it cooked. Wouldn't soak it however. Bamboo shoots, never tried them raw and don't really eat much of them cooked either.

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on December 01, 2013
at 06:31 AM

I don't particularly think they are good for me. All the people I know who eat beans as the main protein are overweight and soft looking. I did the Vegan thing for 7 years and ate a lot of beans and was never feeling great so I went back to meat and now that I don't do grains I feel much better.

56c28e3654d4dd8a8abdb2c1f525202e

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on December 01, 2013
at 04:05 AM

and yet the paleolithic period was well after people invented fire, 200,000 years after. You make an argument for pre-paleo foods, and of course the argument has merit. What is your position about asparagus then? Or bamboo shoots?

715308c614ad6928c9c78bacbeb9122e

on December 01, 2013
at 12:15 AM

so they are not bad for us then or they are not off limits when eating Paleo. they are simply too much work for you to want them. is this what you are saying?

715308c614ad6928c9c78bacbeb9122e

on December 01, 2013
at 12:13 AM

what is the website? what is it called?

56c28e3654d4dd8a8abdb2c1f525202e

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on November 30, 2013
at 11:44 PM

go to the website and see the evidence for yourself.

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543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

(4493)

on December 02, 2013
at 09:57 PM

this is a copy of one of my comments, so that @denipink56 can easily see it (i hope),

beneath each Answer on the left there is some text that reads 'Add comment', click on that text to add a comment responding to that answer.

also, beneath each Answer on the right there is some text that reads "Comment' or 'Comments', click on that text to display all the comments. You can then reply to comments as well.

good luck, i have faith you can work it out...pls

715308c614ad6928c9c78bacbeb9122e

on December 04, 2013
at 08:06 PM

well, that was easy enuf. wasn't i doing that already? i guess not. anyway, thanks for explaining for me but as i see it Paleo is not for me because i need a plan to follow not to "think for myself" and "decide for myself." i need something plain and simple to follow with foods to eat and foods to avoid kinda thing. i think i am switching over to Nutritarian by Doc Joel Furhman. he impresses me with all his enthusiasm and all the personal accts of those eating his way are very encouraging.

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715308c614ad6928c9c78bacbeb9122e

on December 02, 2013
at 09:43 PM

To: BobK, well, i am likely still not doing this right because i can't find your answer to me here just in my email, but yours Bob is the first answer of many that i can actually get and understand AND it makes good sense to me. so, that is what i will do -- an experiment and when i find the beans that agree with me best i will be sure to eat just 1 cup of them a day. perfect! i can do this. many thanks xo

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

(4493)

on December 02, 2013
at 09:53 PM

beneath each Answer on the left there is some text that reads 'Add comment', click on that text to add a comment responding to that answer.

also, beneath each Answer on the right there is some text that reads 'Comment' or 'Comments', click on that text to display all the comments. You can then reply to comments as well.

good luck, i have faith you can work it out...pls

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F291857fa12a0291688ea994343156dc

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on December 02, 2013
at 09:11 PM

@denipink56 Your practice of "replying" to an answer or comment with an "answer" rather than an attached comment is making your question & the 'real' answers contributed by other PH'ers very difficult to follow. You see, answers can "move around" based on up votes or down votes. Comments move with the answer or comment to which they apply. For readability & making this thread useful in the future, please consider copying & pasting your answers into appropriately located comments.

But to answer your question... imo beans are an "at the margin" paleo food. I like them but certain kinds with certain prep methods can give me mild gas. White beans seem better for me than pintos, black or kidney. Garbanzo beans seem fine as well. Prep method seems to matter for some type... canned beans that I pour off the liquid contents appear to be less problematic.

I'm fully capable of doing an elimination / reintroduction along with a "preparation matrix" shootoff.... but I'm too lazy. If you like beans, do some self experimentation to see which ones work best & how best to prep them. One serving per day, if you tolerate them well, is probably ok. Would I recommend that you make beans the center piece of your diet? Not so much.

715308c614ad6928c9c78bacbeb9122e

on December 03, 2013
at 02:20 PM

if beans are restricted on Paleo list of foods to eat, why do you recommend i eat them? this is really confusing to me because i like Paleo so much because they provide me with a good plan that i can follow. i don't have to make all these decisions myself. i just don't know enuf about good nutrition is all. i am getting better tho. thanks.

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715308c614ad6928c9c78bacbeb9122e

on December 02, 2013
at 02:52 PM

iv'e never in 56 years learned that parsley is toxic. we eat it in salads all the time by the handful.

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715308c614ad6928c9c78bacbeb9122e

on December 02, 2013
at 11:10 AM

why am i eating Paleo in the first place you ask? because it is a healthy way to eat. why are you eating Paleo?

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on December 02, 2013
at 02:00 PM

Why are you posting your responses as answers and not comments to the person you are replying to? I'd suggest deleting non-answers, and replying to the answer you are responding to before your question gets closed.

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715308c614ad6928c9c78bacbeb9122e

on December 02, 2013
at 01:33 AM

i don't know who wrote it. i can't see his post here right now. i am new to this and i find it confusing. i don't even know if this message goes back to you. sorry if i mix you up. it is because I am mixed up! or can't you tell that already? haha.

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715308c614ad6928c9c78bacbeb9122e

on December 02, 2013
at 01:29 AM

well i could fill a book with what i don't know about proper nutrition. that's why i eat Paleo -- it offers a plan that i can follow. i make up my grocery list from the list of Paleo approved foods. then i come here and i am told to do what i think is best. to decide for myself what i want to eat. well, uh huh, but, i don't know enuf about nutrition to decide these things for myself. like i said, i need a plan, meal plans. so i have no idea if i should eat beans. what i do know is the list online tells me beans are NOT Paleo.

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715308c614ad6928c9c78bacbeb9122e

on December 02, 2013
at 01:13 AM

how do you equate furniture to beans? people here speak in riddles like being part of some secret society. i am supposed to understand what you wrote?

141c6b3d5e9506dd93881e3f9737f297

(55)

on December 02, 2013
at 01:23 AM

"i am supposed to understand what you wrote?"...what who wrote?

...why do some people here ask questions or respond to comments with an 'Answer'.

pls use comments to respond to answers & comments if possible

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56c28e3654d4dd8a8abdb2c1f525202e

(1822)

on December 01, 2013
at 05:01 PM

you will have to figure it out on your own. It is like asking whether dairy is paleo. some people are bothered by dairy or beans, and some are not. try them in a variety of ways, try alternate foods, and come to your own conclusions.

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715308c614ad6928c9c78bacbeb9122e

on December 01, 2013
at 04:02 PM

Ok, so you say that beans ARE part of a healthy Paleo diet? i don't seem to get an answer to my question just a bunch of related comments.

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on December 01, 2013
at 11:54 PM

Paleo usually means no beans. The point is that if it works for you why not.

As previously stated, a pain to deal with and I really don't like them enough to bother with.

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715308c614ad6928c9c78bacbeb9122e

on December 01, 2013
at 11:24 AM

i ate vegan too and left it for Paleo. i don't do well with most grains but are beans restricted on Paleo. this is my question. if they are not i want to eat them. if they are restricted i don't want to eat them.

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715308c614ad6928c9c78bacbeb9122e

on December 01, 2013
at 11:20 AM

they are veggies and so i eat them. they are Paleo fare. look, i am new to all this. i am just learning. perhaps even some veggies are on the not allowed list. i don't know. i guess i need to learn more. that is why i am posting here. instead of having to look up a bunch of Paleo websites and read a ton of material i thot i would just ask straight out questions here. people seem to want to help here.

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on December 02, 2013
at 04:25 PM

Beans are not vegetables. They are legumes and they are on the list of harmful foods.

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715308c614ad6928c9c78bacbeb9122e

on December 01, 2013
at 12:17 AM

OK, but are they off limits when eating Paleo. are they on the restricted list like dairy for example?

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on December 01, 2013
at 06:34 AM

I'd say you should just soak em and eat them it that is what you want. No sense denying a food you enjoy if it isn't going to kill you.

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on December 01, 2013
at 12:06 AM

Here is my simple test. Can I eat a raw piece of meat, yes - not that I want to. Can I eat raw beans, sure but they are going to do bad things to me. IMO beans are a cheap form of protein that needs too much work to make them edible so I skip them.

56c28e3654d4dd8a8abdb2c1f525202e

(1822)

on December 01, 2013
at 04:05 AM

and yet the paleolithic period was well after people invented fire, 200,000 years after. You make an argument for pre-paleo foods, and of course the argument has merit. What is your position about asparagus then? Or bamboo shoots?

715308c614ad6928c9c78bacbeb9122e

on December 01, 2013
at 12:15 AM

so they are not bad for us then or they are not off limits when eating Paleo. they are simply too much work for you to want them. is this what you are saying?

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715308c614ad6928c9c78bacbeb9122e

on November 30, 2013
at 11:41 PM

so you are saying that Paleo does allow for beans? now i am confused because i read that they are not allowed. if there is lots of evidence showing that legumes were and are used then i am off to boil myself a pot. i have eliminated them since starting Paleo 2 months ago and i love them. thanks for answering. enjoy your garden. you are very lucky to have one. @username

56c28e3654d4dd8a8abdb2c1f525202e

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on November 30, 2013
at 11:44 PM

go to the website and see the evidence for yourself.

F291857fa12a0291688ea994343156dc

(720)

on December 02, 2013
at 09:03 PM

@denipink56 Your practice of "replying" to an answer or comment with an "answer" rather than an attached comment is making your question & the 'real' answers contributed by other PH'ers very difficult to follow. You see, answers can "move around" based on up votes or down votes. Comments move with the answer or comment to which they apply. For readability & making this thread useful in the future, please consider copying & pasting your answers into appropriately located comments.

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on November 30, 2013
at 10:36 PM

As luck may have it, there is a recent post on the whole health source blogspot. summary:

1) lots of evidence that legumes were and are used in paleo societies (cooked of course)

2) as you say, lots of nutrients

3) absolutely always soak them 24 hrs, with water changes, to start the sprouting

Me, I prefer my carbs from roots and tubers, but I may one day try them again. I do plant and eat a lot of string beans in my vegetable garden, and those do not bother me at all.

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(5005)

on December 01, 2013
at 03:58 PM

I agree with all you say EXCPET the water changes. I used to do that, but since reading to leave the water and allow the beans to ferment, I have found the beans much more digestible. About 24 / 36 hours so they are going bubbly, rinse well and cook (pressure cook for preference). NO nasty side effects such as wind (gas) or gurgling at all now.

F291857fa12a0291688ea994343156dc

(720)

on December 02, 2013
at 08:30 PM

I'm with you on the string beans (growing them now Nov - Dec SoCal) but I believe string beans are less problematic because we consume them when they are not fully mature.

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