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Still sick & manuka honey

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created April 02, 2010 at 12:29 PM

This is another honey related question. Does anyone know about 'Manuka' honey? Apparently manuka honey with a high UMF is very good for when you are sick. It originates in New Zealand. Any thoughts?

I have been quite sick for a couple of weeks now. Basically it's a very chesty cough and I can't seem to shake it. Hasn't been helped by the fact that I have been out drinking on weekends! I have been at home sick for 6 days straight eating paleo, occasionally having some tea and some manuka honey but no exercise, no drinking, no going out. Today I went to the beach to get some vitamin D and I played a bit of volleyball. Anyone have any ideas for how I can get better?! Most of my meals look like this:

Chicken cooked with coconut oil, spinach and pak choi cooked with coconut oil, baked sweet potato, avocado, scrambled eggs.

Sometimes I will change and have lamb or fish.

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on May 25, 2013
at 02:52 AM

the beneficial healing aspects of honey are dependant on its nectar source.. please keep that in mind. and Manuka honey is used as a wound dressing in MANY hospitals in NZ, amongst other uses..

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on March 18, 2012
at 08:04 AM

Any reason to believe that the Methylglyoxal is absorbed?

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on April 26, 2011
at 10:44 PM

False. I stated a reason -- it's chock full of poison. And to your point, this honey is from New Zealand so I'm not sure it's accurate to say lots of people have been eating it for a long time. I think enough people have eaten it for long enough to conclude that this particular poison doesn't kill quickly. But I don't know how you could say you have data to conclude it's safer than, say, smoking.

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on April 25, 2011
at 02:09 PM

Jay - people have been ingesting it longterm for quite a while now with, as you said, no reports of bad outcomes. So I think it's more correct to conclude that you know of no reason not to think it's safe to ingest longterm.

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on February 22, 2011
at 03:02 PM

well. maybe not a jerkwad tim, but maybe you are just misinformed and/or ignorant of what manuka honey really is. it's been studied extensively. their are indeed real factors to manuka honey that are quite different from regular honey, even raw honey. personally, manuka honey had the biggest positive effect on my issue with GERD. also, many medical professionals use manuka for burns and wounds.

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on April 02, 2010
at 08:55 PM

Also, cut out the eggs and sweet potato until you heal. Stick with broths, meats, nutrient-dense veggies, and fats.

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on April 02, 2010
at 04:55 PM

Yes, I forgot bone broth!

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on April 02, 2010
at 03:37 PM

The heating is only to get the honey to melt if you decide to add a little bit for taste. Personally, I'll just put some cayenne in a glass of water and stir it up before I drink it. This has worked both times that I have done it, knocking out about 90% of my symptoms.

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on April 02, 2010
at 01:16 PM

I did try cayenne pepper before and remembering it helping, I will try it again. If only sipping it every 10 minutes or so, won't the water get too cool or does that matter? Forgot to mention, I also went to a doctor on Sunday (probably wasn't the best idea) and he diagnosed me with a virus. Gave me some medicine, which I have been taking but not surprisingly it has not helped at all!

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on April 02, 2010
at 01:28 PM

Not to come off as a internet jerkwad, but I have to call "BS" on Manuka Honey being anything beneficial or healing, no more so that regular honey. At 17g of carbs (pure sugar, baby, pure sugar) per tablespoon, I can see no good coming from it's ingestion. The quick look I did for nutritional content doesn't brake down just what those sugars those are, but I'm assuming it is not far off from any honey one can buy at ye olde grocer.

I'd focus my efforts on rest, fasting (?), hydration, Vitamin D (supplement of sunshine), plenty of clean animal sourced fat and protein, perhaps a little coconut oil for the Lauric acid, and leave the sugar (Manuka or Agave or HFCS or table sugar) in the pantry where it belongs, or better yet in some one else's pantry.

Truly, good luck on turning the corner on your bout of illness. Consider keeping your immune system sharp with a zeroing of sugar in your diet.

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on February 22, 2011
at 03:02 PM

well. maybe not a jerkwad tim, but maybe you are just misinformed and/or ignorant of what manuka honey really is. it's been studied extensively. their are indeed real factors to manuka honey that are quite different from regular honey, even raw honey. personally, manuka honey had the biggest positive effect on my issue with GERD. also, many medical professionals use manuka for burns and wounds.

E9140ef0ca0a76ea14b9ebccad234608

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on May 25, 2013
at 02:52 AM

the beneficial healing aspects of honey are dependant on its nectar source.. please keep that in mind. and Manuka honey is used as a wound dressing in MANY hospitals in NZ, amongst other uses..

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on April 02, 2010
at 03:35 PM

Several days of ingesting nothing but bone broth can be so nourishing and healing, it's almost magical. I use mostly marrow bones, and either eat the marrow or put it back into the broth, emulsifying with an immersion blender. I got pneumonia while pregnant and couldn't shake it, not even with antibiotics, and this was what finally helped me to heal.

Also, I second the staying away from sugar. It just acts as fuel for the germs your body is trying to fight, in addition to wrecking havoc with your system. Manuka honey is anti-microbial, but so is garlic and coconut oil (good), and bleach (bad). My point is that you need to look at the food as a whole and what it offers to your body; just because something is antimicrobial doesn't mean it's good for you!

And if you really want to heal, give your body a break from the alcohol :)

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on April 02, 2010
at 08:55 PM

Also, cut out the eggs and sweet potato until you heal. Stick with broths, meats, nutrient-dense veggies, and fats.

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on April 02, 2010
at 04:55 PM

Yes, I forgot bone broth!

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on April 02, 2010
at 08:48 PM

the only thing I've ever found that works with honey is taking a spoonful and letting it run down the back of your throat, which seems to help a sore throat immensely.

when I have a sore throat, anything else with sugar or any dairy makes it way worse and feels like I just fed and caused a population overload in bad stuff in my throat but honey down the throat seems to have the same affect as the cayenne pepper in water or apple cider vinegar does for some reason.

but yeah its 17g of pure carbs, weird research on it though, so don't know if there's anything more to it.

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on May 24, 2013
at 09:59 PM

I have a tendency for having a lingering post viral cough after any upper respiratory tract infection for the last 25 years which continues for generally 3 month before it spontaneously stops. As a doctor, I have tried oral antibiotics that covers Mycoplasma (causes a irritating persistent dry cough), had Chest X-rays, inhaled asthma sprays including corticosteroids when it happens but nothing seems to work.

After my son gave me a cold 1 week ago and recovering from it, I developed the cough again 3 days ago. A patient of mine who came to see me suggested I take Manuka Honey ( 1 teaspoon 3 times a day without dilution) but have to be high strength type (25+). I thought...nothing to loose. Went to the health food stall, bought a 250g jar (cost me $65) and started taking it 2 days ago. Within 2 doses, my irritating cough was gone. Wow, amazing or what. I don't know if it's conclusive or not of it's medicinal properties but it's certainly worked in my case as an isolated case report. So if you have the same problem and don't suffer from bee/honey allergies, it's worth a try.

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on April 25, 2011
at 12:29 PM

The active ingredient in manuka honey is methylglyoxal, which is highly cytotoxic. I know of no reason to think it's safe to ingest longterm, other than the fact that there are no reports of bad outcomes yet.

4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

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on April 26, 2011
at 10:44 PM

False. I stated a reason -- it's chock full of poison. And to your point, this honey is from New Zealand so I'm not sure it's accurate to say lots of people have been eating it for a long time. I think enough people have eaten it for long enough to conclude that this particular poison doesn't kill quickly. But I don't know how you could say you have data to conclude it's safer than, say, smoking.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on April 25, 2011
at 02:09 PM

Jay - people have been ingesting it longterm for quite a while now with, as you said, no reports of bad outcomes. So I think it's more correct to conclude that you know of no reason not to think it's safe to ingest longterm.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on March 18, 2012
at 08:04 AM

Any reason to believe that the Methylglyoxal is absorbed?

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on April 25, 2011
at 06:33 AM

New Zealander here. As far as I can remember, the fuss about manuka honey was for its wound-dressing qualities, which have been borne out by a number of studies. I agree that the whole thing has become overhyped, with people claiming all sorts of healing properties for it. As a food, its certainly tasty - but I haven't read that it cures anything.

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on April 02, 2010
at 04:32 PM

For the chest congestion, I use Mullein. It's and herb that acts as an expectorant and cough suppressant. When I had flu last year, it knocked out the crap in my chest that the prescription and otc stuff couldn't budge. Going out is not bad, unless you are not getting rest. The alcohol is terrible, though. Not only is preventing healing, it is just bad for you.

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on April 02, 2010
at 12:57 PM

Elderberry (sambucus), garlic, ginger, and astragalus are all antiviral/antimicrobial. Coconut oil is, too. Manuka honey is the same. The last time I was sick with a respiratory thing, I took Sambucus, drank ginger tea with honey, and took garlic pills. It helped a lot.

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on April 02, 2010
at 12:50 PM

Cayenne pepper brother! Mix some up in a glass of water and take a sip every 10 minutes or so. Heat the water and add honey if you like. It should be spicy and make you sweat but don't kill yourself with it. The key word is sip.

and put the tequila down! ;)

Fcaeaac15cf6568f2825b230731d5a7d

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on April 02, 2010
at 03:37 PM

The heating is only to get the honey to melt if you decide to add a little bit for taste. Personally, I'll just put some cayenne in a glass of water and stir it up before I drink it. This has worked both times that I have done it, knocking out about 90% of my symptoms.

11db3c833e062fa16d0c45db2e9496c6

(55)

on April 02, 2010
at 01:16 PM

I did try cayenne pepper before and remembering it helping, I will try it again. If only sipping it every 10 minutes or so, won't the water get too cool or does that matter? Forgot to mention, I also went to a doctor on Sunday (probably wasn't the best idea) and he diagnosed me with a virus. Gave me some medicine, which I have been taking but not surprisingly it has not helped at all!

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