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Should there be an official organization to promote Paleo?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created October 25, 2012 at 9:55 AM

Reading this question thread about 'Paleo' vs 'Traditional' diets it struck me that, as far as I know, there's no 'official' organisation to promote Paleo diet, lifestyle and philosophy.

Traditional/ancestral diets have the Weston A Price Foundation for promotion and advocacy. Its mission statement includes the following:

The Foundation is dedicated to restoring nutrient-dense foods to the human diet through education, research and activism. It supports a number of movements that contribute to this objective including accurate nutrition instruction, organic and biodynamic farming, pasture-feeding of livestock, community-supported farms, honest and informative labeling, prepared parenting and nurturing therapies.

If it doesn't exist already, should a similar organisation be established to promote the Paleo lifestyle? Or is the semi-anarchic nature of the Paleo movement part of its beauty?

Would you join or support such an organisation?

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

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on October 26, 2012
at 07:04 AM

Fair enough, I admit I was writing with while thinking about what happenes more in the US than elsewhere (and I'm not in America lol). Anyway, I like your point. There is a huge balancing act between doing something to subvert of challenge and being copted or constrianed by what is dominant.

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

(2934)

on October 26, 2012
at 07:01 AM

Can't inclusive social democracy be adaptable and vibrant? Official doesn't connote only top down bereaucracy..

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on October 25, 2012
at 04:41 PM

^Well for me it really isn't about the paleo movement. Its about making the distinction between health and unhealthy choices. In that I find paleo to be a useful tool. But, I have other tools in the belt also :).

12358894be02c2da1862ea3f4422c195

(319)

on October 25, 2012
at 03:32 PM

I understand your point, though there is a counter-point to be made in making resources available. As a recent adherent, until I found this board I had very little trustworthy information. Books by gurus are great, but they are not a substitute for real people you can talk to and associate with. Though some may disagree with me, I would characterize PaleoHacks as an organization, albeit a loose one. I agree with living by example, but I'm not sure if the purpose must be proselytization. If the organization's main goal was instead to help others along, would you be more inclined to support it?

E246df7366ba4b48f75b53378ed33282

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on October 25, 2012
at 02:29 PM

Possibly. I still support the Organic movement despite its inconsistencies (I'm based in the UK and I get the impression that the UK organic scene is a different beast to the US one).

E246df7366ba4b48f75b53378ed33282

(424)

on October 25, 2012
at 02:26 PM

I like the big tent idea. FWIW I think there's far to much internicine feuding within Paleo and ancestral circles. We have so much in common yet we bicker over lentils and bacon. I'm trying to introduce friends to Paleo but don't know where to point them. Things like this make the whole movement appear slighlty unhinged.

E246df7366ba4b48f75b53378ed33282

(424)

on October 25, 2012
at 02:19 PM

Aha! My next PH question! Absolute monarchy - is it Paleo?

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

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on October 25, 2012
at 01:27 PM

No way! You need a king to rule yourselves efficiently. I declare myself such, and will be passing paleo laws in the coming weeks....stay tuned.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

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on October 25, 2012
at 01:21 PM

People are rallying against the use of words like Paleo or Primal, but these words are fine. Ancestral is nice cause it makes for a big tent that includes Paleo and WAPF. So it markets to a broader audience is all.

F694fc245d03b64d6936ddb29f4c9306

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on October 25, 2012
at 12:41 PM

Grok wouldn't care what other people ate, as long as it wasn't him. Advocacy groups aren't Paleo! :D

Ef9f83cb4e1826261a44c173f733789e

(13635)

on October 25, 2012
at 11:56 AM

This gets my vote, and I'm glad they used Ancestral instead of Paleo.

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

(2934)

on October 25, 2012
at 10:53 AM

you mean like 'organic'...

E246df7366ba4b48f75b53378ed33282

(424)

on October 25, 2012
at 10:37 AM

Must admit that's the way I'm leaning too. Love the evolutionary 'adaptability' angle!

E246df7366ba4b48f75b53378ed33282

(424)

on October 25, 2012
at 10:36 AM

Thanks for the link. This one didn't come up in my cursory Google search. That's one for my 'Favourites'. It's fascinating how organisations like this are springing up.

E246df7366ba4b48f75b53378ed33282

(424)

on October 25, 2012
at 10:32 AM

Good point about the 'disaster of capitalistic community'. I suppose it's a tradeoff between having a greater voice/collective identity and being eviscerated by commercial and political forces. Quite a dilemma.

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27621cab7e33bae904a7c433a3c4ebf9

on October 25, 2012
at 10:29 AM

A decentralized Paleo community will be much more adaptable, vibrant, and effective than a centralized top-down beauracracy.

E246df7366ba4b48f75b53378ed33282

(424)

on October 25, 2012
at 10:37 AM

Must admit that's the way I'm leaning too. Love the evolutionary 'adaptability' angle!

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on October 25, 2012
at 01:27 PM

No way! You need a king to rule yourselves efficiently. I declare myself such, and will be passing paleo laws in the coming weeks....stay tuned.

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

(2934)

on October 26, 2012
at 07:01 AM

Can't inclusive social democracy be adaptable and vibrant? Official doesn't connote only top down bereaucracy..

E246df7366ba4b48f75b53378ed33282

(424)

on October 25, 2012
at 02:19 PM

Aha! My next PH question! Absolute monarchy - is it Paleo?

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Eecc48184707bc26bce631485b5b7e34

on October 25, 2012
at 10:23 AM

www.ancestryfoundation.org

E246df7366ba4b48f75b53378ed33282

(424)

on October 25, 2012
at 10:36 AM

Thanks for the link. This one didn't come up in my cursory Google search. That's one for my 'Favourites'. It's fascinating how organisations like this are springing up.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on October 25, 2012
at 04:41 PM

^Well for me it really isn't about the paleo movement. Its about making the distinction between health and unhealthy choices. In that I find paleo to be a useful tool. But, I have other tools in the belt also :).

Ef9f83cb4e1826261a44c173f733789e

(13635)

on October 25, 2012
at 11:56 AM

This gets my vote, and I'm glad they used Ancestral instead of Paleo.

E246df7366ba4b48f75b53378ed33282

(424)

on October 25, 2012
at 02:26 PM

I like the big tent idea. FWIW I think there's far to much internicine feuding within Paleo and ancestral circles. We have so much in common yet we bicker over lentils and bacon. I'm trying to introduce friends to Paleo but don't know where to point them. Things like this make the whole movement appear slighlty unhinged.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on October 25, 2012
at 01:21 PM

People are rallying against the use of words like Paleo or Primal, but these words are fine. Ancestral is nice cause it makes for a big tent that includes Paleo and WAPF. So it markets to a broader audience is all.

1
2e6e673ce3eb647407d260d4d57a731b

(1021)

on October 25, 2012
at 04:30 PM

nope. .

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E6c14efded576a0bea38a2fe2beced6a

on October 25, 2012
at 01:30 PM

Take a look at any of the different posts/blogs/articles written about the recent Ancestral Health Symposium and you will quickly see that for every "Official Paleo Organization" you will see ten created to discredit it.

I can't wait for the day I get a call from school because my son was in a fight that started with "My dad is more Paleo than your dad."

And to answer your other question no, I would not join this group, even if it was based on MY Paleo.

Live by example and others will follow.

12358894be02c2da1862ea3f4422c195

(319)

on October 25, 2012
at 03:32 PM

I understand your point, though there is a counter-point to be made in making resources available. As a recent adherent, until I found this board I had very little trustworthy information. Books by gurus are great, but they are not a substitute for real people you can talk to and associate with. Though some may disagree with me, I would characterize PaleoHacks as an organization, albeit a loose one. I agree with living by example, but I'm not sure if the purpose must be proselytization. If the organization's main goal was instead to help others along, would you be more inclined to support it?

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12358894be02c2da1862ea3f4422c195

on October 25, 2012
at 10:17 AM

I like this concept - sort of. I guess the question is "To what end?" Having an organisation would increase awareness and possibly get "us" some more options for dining in public, but that courts the disaster of capitalistic community; the more we organize, the bigger the chance of too much money ruining a good thing. Could it be done? Maybe. Would I join (or be interested in being a charter member/admin)? Yes.

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

(2934)

on October 25, 2012
at 10:53 AM

you mean like 'organic'...

E246df7366ba4b48f75b53378ed33282

(424)

on October 25, 2012
at 02:29 PM

Possibly. I still support the Organic movement despite its inconsistencies (I'm based in the UK and I get the impression that the UK organic scene is a different beast to the US one).

E246df7366ba4b48f75b53378ed33282

(424)

on October 25, 2012
at 10:32 AM

Good point about the 'disaster of capitalistic community'. I suppose it's a tradeoff between having a greater voice/collective identity and being eviscerated by commercial and political forces. Quite a dilemma.

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

(2934)

on October 26, 2012
at 07:04 AM

Fair enough, I admit I was writing with while thinking about what happenes more in the US than elsewhere (and I'm not in America lol). Anyway, I like your point. There is a huge balancing act between doing something to subvert of challenge and being copted or constrianed by what is dominant.

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1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

on October 25, 2012
at 04:09 PM

I don't care for it because, for instance, many in the WAPF feel marginalized by Sally Fallon Morell's stances on various issues; donor breastmilk vs raw milk formula is a big one but there are others, and I think the decentralized paleo-sphere is much more adaptable, vibrant, and inclusive. I mean... it does a disservice to all involved to have one unified body telling us what is healthy and what is not, and there really is no one-true paleo diet. One person may need a more Jaminet approach to feel their best, another might feel great on the epi-paleo kruse, another the Terry Wahls protocol. I also like that, unlikethe WAPF, I can take an interesting blog from a paleo-inclined blogger and it isn't instantly dismissed as whackjob hogwash simply because it has the WAPF logo on it (even with numerous citations.)

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7bf306ada57db47547e9da39a415edf6

(11214)

on October 25, 2012
at 05:23 PM

The paleo-nazi party. They will say paleo is not low carb, but never mention that many low carb diets, even ketogenic ones, actually meet the definition of paleo. They will suggest that the science is settled and the consensus is correct, even though the science hasn't been done and there isn't a meaningful consensus. They will say Thou Must Believe in Evolution, and then go and demonstrate they don't know what evolution is, or how hypothesis about diet based on evolution should be verified. Some will confuse the issue further by using the verb evolving, to describe things like personal growth, turning their monologues into little more than word magic strung across every possible scale of human existence. This will, of course, have no relevance on any scale of human existence, and unbelieving creationists will still be able to get healthy by imitating us regardless of their beliefs.

And then, they'll totally flip and swear we all must eat grains, legumes, and dairy, especially the worst offenders, while insisting that they are still Paleo. Screw that. You know, in a country where there is a king, you can tell when someone kills him and steals the throne. In a Republic, as long as they keep putting that damn flag up everyday, the liars and the thieves can conceal the theft of an entire nation. The masses don't pay enough attention to notice the theft. Or, perhaps more pertinent, 'We the people' don't pay enough attention to notice the betrayal.

I'd leave it alone. There are people and even organizations that have or will earn respect. I would even like to work for one, given that most of what I see around me is freaking depressing, and I'd like to feel like I was contributing to human rehabilitation. Perhaps I am over-reacting a bit to the word official, but I don't want anyone getting traction because they are an expert or have credentials. People should be getting cred because people are healthier.

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