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Created July 10, 2011 at 1:03 AM

6'3 165 lbs.. 18 years old. Is it worth it to sacrifice my health and GOMAD (gallon of milk a day) for a couple months GAHhhhhhhh HACK THIS!

EDIT: Should I drink a gallon of milk a day in order to gain muscle mass? Or will it hurt more than it may help?

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on October 05, 2012
at 03:42 PM

+1 for eating rice krispies lol

64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

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on July 10, 2011
at 10:16 PM

Those steps should make it easier on your body to take in that many calories/fat/protein and overall anabolic food

64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

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on July 10, 2011
at 10:16 PM

so here's what I've dug up about cheese... 1 pound of cheese is equivalent in fat and protein to 1 gallon of milk (and eating 1 lb of cheese is actually pretty easy). There are 3 main steps in the ripening of cheese, the first is glycolysis in which lactose is metabolized. Then lipolysis, the breakdown of fat molecules to free fatty acids (which are further broken down to ketones,lactones, and esters). The final step is proteolysis, the breakdown of casein proteins into peptides and amino acids.

32937bdb4caf053e7aa39693fadd2282

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on July 10, 2011
at 07:06 AM

thanks man this was helpful.. i hope your right about the carbs. for awhile i was eating pretty much none besides fruits and vegetables.

2ab6415f5f20b8fe1d34a94c7be85e6a

on July 10, 2011
at 06:53 AM

brick o butter sounds awesome you should write an article advocating it like sisson tried with adead(dozen eggs a day)

2ab6415f5f20b8fe1d34a94c7be85e6a

on July 10, 2011
at 06:51 AM

No other animal uses plumbing but im not giving up my toilet so i agree with matt's logic if you can tolerate it try going for it.

6b8d12fc3e43179f9ae1765a4d1a9dc2

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on July 10, 2011
at 03:18 AM

Research shows that having fat will make it harder to gain muscle, even being detrimental. So the eat as much as you can and put on fat and muscle at the same time, then lose the fat method may work but it is inefficient. A lean person will be more efficient at putting on muscle.

226b10cbb6b1d3530b00d2d84a2dc86e

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on July 10, 2011
at 02:43 AM

A sample: Gluteomorphins and caseomorphins, partially digested proteins from gluten and milk, trigger an immune response and inflammation. They also leak into the body and brain, triggering messed up brain function as a result of their similarity to mind-altering drugs. http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=22375.0

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on July 10, 2011
at 02:38 AM

Also, I didn't say it's unnatural to drink milk. I asked, is it natural to breast feed at 18 off the teet of a different species?

226b10cbb6b1d3530b00d2d84a2dc86e

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on July 10, 2011
at 02:37 AM

I'm going mostly by Mark Hyman's book Ultramind Solution where he talks about high casein levels in large mammals not being conducive with our evolutionary biology. Simply put, we evolved with far less casein and for only a few years during breast feeding. He says casein in such high doses triggers immune response.

32937bdb4caf053e7aa39693fadd2282

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on July 10, 2011
at 02:06 AM

dude. this "its unnatural to drink milk" bs is nonsense. I think that raw milk is one of the healthiest foods we can eat. If u eat by this philosophy then u shouldnt eat fermented vegetables because no other animal eats fermented anything. I cant cite anything but ive definitly heard dr cate mention that we have good evidence that humans were herder gatherers for a significant amount of time before the advent of agriculture. haters can hate but raw milk is whats good

32937bdb4caf053e7aa39693fadd2282

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on July 10, 2011
at 02:01 AM

o yeah haha my bad i knew that

32937bdb4caf053e7aa39693fadd2282

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on July 10, 2011
at 01:58 AM

workouts are standard heavy lifts with back weighted lunges instead of squats (i agree with mike boyles philosophy) and i do kettlebell circuits to keep some conditioning. its not enough to make me think that its preventing mass gain tho

32937bdb4caf053e7aa39693fadd2282

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on July 10, 2011
at 01:55 AM

post workout ive been drinking some goats milk from trader joes

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on July 10, 2011
at 01:54 AM

i guess, you've been reading too many bodybuilding mags: this approach may work in theory, or for certain (genetically) gifted and dedicated people, but for the rest it is unlikely sustainable and, in the final analysis, self-defeating: all your life gets centered on lifting, consuming huge amounts of food, then trying to lean out (thinking, obsessing about food all the time), then you go nuts, and go on drinking that gallon of milk (or more) even at your leaning out phase, overeat, and get finally FAT! - been there, done that, and (despite of a nasty personality) would not wish for anyone

32937bdb4caf053e7aa39693fadd2282

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on July 10, 2011
at 01:54 AM

diet: i eat lots of grass fed ground beef. 1-2 lbs a day. lots of eggs prolly 3-6 on adverage and lots of fat.. from butter or grassfed lard... coconut milk, coconut oil, rice crispies and sweet potatoes for carbs. i probably eat 150-200g protein a day lots of fat and a decent amount of carbs. prolly around 4000 cal a day

64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

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on July 10, 2011
at 01:49 AM

(and it's reduced lactose). Lactase is an enzyme in our bodies

64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

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on July 10, 2011
at 01:42 AM

fermentation changes the chemistry. I can't go into detail off the top of my head but I'm sure many here would agree. I'll see what I can dig up and re-post later.

226b10cbb6b1d3530b00d2d84a2dc86e

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on July 10, 2011
at 01:42 AM

I am 130 and I have no probs with girls and no probs with strength, sports, fights, whatever. You will fill out over time. Paleo will give you an optimum body composition where you have more muscle, less fat, less bone because your frame would not have to carry as much total weight...but you'll look bigger.

32937bdb4caf053e7aa39693fadd2282

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on July 10, 2011
at 01:39 AM

haha fineeeeeee

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on July 10, 2011
at 01:37 AM

What is your diet and workout routine like now? How can we hack if we don't know what we're hacking?

C1c86f42410cd4788bd9c5cf801dcd8f

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on July 10, 2011
at 01:37 AM

What is your end result? Have you tried gaining without milk? Increasing food/meals lifting heavy? GOMAD is not the only solution, is it just a solution. What do you want to hit, are you training for something specific do you just want to be bigger? Are you training the major lifts now? backsquat, deadlift, bench? Have you stopped seeing gains in these lifts? Are you eating enough? More then willing to give you all the info I can, but we need some more info on what you are currently doing other then height and weight.

C1c86f42410cd4788bd9c5cf801dcd8f

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on July 10, 2011
at 01:34 AM

There is no need to dedicate one life to the gym, a lifting program like 5x5 starting strength and a gallon of milk will build a lot of size, fat will come as well. However after the size is hit, the milk is stopped muscle is maintained and the fat is cut.

32937bdb4caf053e7aa39693fadd2282

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on July 10, 2011
at 01:33 AM

do u really think there is that big a difference? i mean isnt cheese essentially just milk without the lactase

Aead76beb5fc7b762a6b4ddc234f6051

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on July 10, 2011
at 01:28 AM

ahhhh! now it all makes sense! an acronym.

64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

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on July 10, 2011
at 01:26 AM

its not JUST about calories, also consider how cheese will effect hormones like insulin, IGF-1, etc. It has similar anabolic qualities to milk.

32937bdb4caf053e7aa39693fadd2282

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on July 10, 2011
at 01:21 AM

it would be close to 2lbs a day for the calorie equivalent.. thats a ton of cheese

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on July 10, 2011
at 01:06 AM

for the life of me, i cant figure out what you are asking.

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Fbd2f71e901c267794d07c4b8cf2b5b0

on July 10, 2011
at 02:16 AM

You left out a vital part of the equation. "What are you doing physically to need that kind of caloric excess?" I did GOMAD when I did Starting Strength for about 12 weeks, simply because I couldn't gain at the rate necessary to really max out the novice lifting program.

If you are really pushing your caloric needs, then yes. The extra 128g of protein from milk will do wonders. If you're just doing some silly bicep curls, sit-ups, etc. Then you'll just get fat.

You're going to put on BF% on GOMAD, but if you're lifting heavy regularly, your lean muscle gains will exceed the fat gains. You can then focus on leaning up once you hit your target weight. Milk is for growing baby mammals, so "Are you a growing baby mammal?"

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on July 10, 2011
at 03:19 AM

I have a "slightly" different opinion than others here. GOMAD is certainly not Paleo, which I want to stress is my preferred diet at 35 years of age. I gained 20 pounds in about 4 months drinking 1/2 GOMAD a couple of years ago (to get up to 170 lbs) and have kept the weight on. Those 4 months were difficult as milk does not agree with me. However, it got my body used to wanting and needing more calories. You are 18; tall and lean; and underweight. I will presume you are asking about whether to implement GOMAD in conjunction with a Starting Strength or other program focused on heavy lifting. Presuming such to be the case, I say to give it a try and see how it works out for you. The best thing about being 18 is the experimentation. Work up to it. Don't just dive in Day 1 at GOMAD. You won't stay with it. If you prefer options other than milk, they are out there. The benefits of milk are the (i) significant calories; and (ii) hormonal response dairy provides. You can get both of these options from eating whole foods; however it is more difficult.

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on July 10, 2011
at 01:26 AM

What is your budget for milk? I assume you're talking about $3 gallons of RBST-free homogenized milk. If you want to do it cheap I'd drink nonfat milk and good butter like kerry gold to recreate milk. Or if you are willing to spend more $ you can buy non-homogenized pasteurized milk for about double, if you have a Trader Joe's around you they have a good one for $7/gallon.

You assume milk is bad for you but if you can digest lactose there is only hype to fear, no real studies on A1 or A2 casein for example.


I personally drink about a gallon of RBST-free nonfat milk and butter to equal the amount of fat in whole milk. I am 6'2" 165lbs and I am very active, I walk and do physical activities for about 15-20hrs per week. I eat about 4000-5000 calories. I don't restrict carbs or fat.

My goals are related to surfing, your goals will dictate your needs, if your goal is paleo, you should know Hunter-Gatherers work for 15-20hrs per week. Their work is walking and physical activities.

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2d5221fa80d04a3d8ac6f471f9feae81

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on July 10, 2011
at 03:18 AM

Dude, you need lots of carbs to fill out. Protein is unnecessary over about 150g/d and adding fat doesn't help with muscle at all. At your height, you need AT LEAST 500g carbs per day to keep glycogen and cortisol nice and happy to build muscle. That's pounds of potatoes/white rice! And way better than milk. And be sure to do a standard bodybuilding split with 1-2 bodyparts per day along with plenty of time to sleep. You'll fill in more and more each month. There's no faster way to do this, but if you're consistant with getting your carbs in you'll be there in under six months.

So, approx. ~150g PRO ~100g FFA ~500g CHO

Do it.

32937bdb4caf053e7aa39693fadd2282

(547)

on July 10, 2011
at 07:06 AM

thanks man this was helpful.. i hope your right about the carbs. for awhile i was eating pretty much none besides fruits and vegetables.

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Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on July 10, 2011
at 03:03 AM

I don't like the idea for health reasons. We have an example here of a high intake of milk causing insulin resistance in the short term, which is not goood. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15578035

I'm not entirely sure why that might be, but there it is.

Before somebody mentions the Masaai, maybe it's not as bad as eating the SAD. And anyway African milk dudes aren't particularly healthy so using them to make a point doesn't work, I'm not saying that lots of milk will completely kill you dead, just that it is probably not very healthy. I do like the idea of goBad (gallon o' blood per day) though.

How about a liter and some whey powder? BRICK O' BUTTER?!

2ab6415f5f20b8fe1d34a94c7be85e6a

on July 10, 2011
at 06:53 AM

brick o butter sounds awesome you should write an article advocating it like sisson tried with adead(dozen eggs a day)

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2870a69b9c0c0a19a919e54cb3a62137

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on July 10, 2011
at 02:39 AM

I wouldn't. There's no question it's healthier to do it without milk in such amounts. Anybody saying different must be high on casomorphins. You can get good results without going mad.

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Bcad307b240275ae3f5820ba6eb4a712

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on July 10, 2011
at 01:40 AM

Maybe try the Leangains approach, instead. It involves some pretty impressive PWO feeds, and you'll be less likely to pudge-out.

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226b10cbb6b1d3530b00d2d84a2dc86e

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on July 10, 2011
at 01:40 AM

Ask yourself this, is it natural to breast feed at 18?

If you think it is, why can't a human female produce milk from a pregnancy for more than 5 years?

Do you see where milk consumption is not Paleo?

32937bdb4caf053e7aa39693fadd2282

(547)

on July 10, 2011
at 02:06 AM

dude. this "its unnatural to drink milk" bs is nonsense. I think that raw milk is one of the healthiest foods we can eat. If u eat by this philosophy then u shouldnt eat fermented vegetables because no other animal eats fermented anything. I cant cite anything but ive definitly heard dr cate mention that we have good evidence that humans were herder gatherers for a significant amount of time before the advent of agriculture. haters can hate but raw milk is whats good

226b10cbb6b1d3530b00d2d84a2dc86e

(3313)

on July 10, 2011
at 02:38 AM

Also, I didn't say it's unnatural to drink milk. I asked, is it natural to breast feed at 18 off the teet of a different species?

226b10cbb6b1d3530b00d2d84a2dc86e

(3313)

on July 10, 2011
at 02:37 AM

I'm going mostly by Mark Hyman's book Ultramind Solution where he talks about high casein levels in large mammals not being conducive with our evolutionary biology. Simply put, we evolved with far less casein and for only a few years during breast feeding. He says casein in such high doses triggers immune response.

226b10cbb6b1d3530b00d2d84a2dc86e

(3313)

on July 10, 2011
at 02:43 AM

A sample: Gluteomorphins and caseomorphins, partially digested proteins from gluten and milk, trigger an immune response and inflammation. They also leak into the body and brain, triggering messed up brain function as a result of their similarity to mind-altering drugs. http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=22375.0

2ab6415f5f20b8fe1d34a94c7be85e6a

on July 10, 2011
at 06:51 AM

No other animal uses plumbing but im not giving up my toilet so i agree with matt's logic if you can tolerate it try going for it.

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64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

(15236)

on July 10, 2011
at 01:18 AM

cheese should help put on weight without doing as much damage to your health as a gallon of milk a day. Look for raw cheese from grass fed cows or sheep if possible.

32937bdb4caf053e7aa39693fadd2282

(547)

on July 10, 2011
at 02:01 AM

o yeah haha my bad i knew that

32937bdb4caf053e7aa39693fadd2282

(547)

on July 10, 2011
at 01:33 AM

do u really think there is that big a difference? i mean isnt cheese essentially just milk without the lactase

64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

(15236)

on July 10, 2011
at 10:16 PM

so here's what I've dug up about cheese... 1 pound of cheese is equivalent in fat and protein to 1 gallon of milk (and eating 1 lb of cheese is actually pretty easy). There are 3 main steps in the ripening of cheese, the first is glycolysis in which lactose is metabolized. Then lipolysis, the breakdown of fat molecules to free fatty acids (which are further broken down to ketones,lactones, and esters). The final step is proteolysis, the breakdown of casein proteins into peptides and amino acids.

32937bdb4caf053e7aa39693fadd2282

(547)

on July 10, 2011
at 01:21 AM

it would be close to 2lbs a day for the calorie equivalent.. thats a ton of cheese

64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

(15236)

on July 10, 2011
at 01:42 AM

fermentation changes the chemistry. I can't go into detail off the top of my head but I'm sure many here would agree. I'll see what I can dig up and re-post later.

64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

(15236)

on July 10, 2011
at 01:26 AM

its not JUST about calories, also consider how cheese will effect hormones like insulin, IGF-1, etc. It has similar anabolic qualities to milk.

64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

(15236)

on July 10, 2011
at 01:49 AM

(and it's reduced lactose). Lactase is an enzyme in our bodies

64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

(15236)

on July 10, 2011
at 10:16 PM

Those steps should make it easier on your body to take in that many calories/fat/protein and overall anabolic food

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on July 10, 2011
at 01:16 AM

are you sure you don't want/need to lose some fat before trying to gain mass? (unless you live in gym dedicating all your life to training that gallon of milk will just make you fatter)

6b8d12fc3e43179f9ae1765a4d1a9dc2

(5914)

on July 10, 2011
at 03:18 AM

Research shows that having fat will make it harder to gain muscle, even being detrimental. So the eat as much as you can and put on fat and muscle at the same time, then lose the fat method may work but it is inefficient. A lean person will be more efficient at putting on muscle.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on July 10, 2011
at 01:54 AM

i guess, you've been reading too many bodybuilding mags: this approach may work in theory, or for certain (genetically) gifted and dedicated people, but for the rest it is unlikely sustainable and, in the final analysis, self-defeating: all your life gets centered on lifting, consuming huge amounts of food, then trying to lean out (thinking, obsessing about food all the time), then you go nuts, and go on drinking that gallon of milk (or more) even at your leaning out phase, overeat, and get finally FAT! - been there, done that, and (despite of a nasty personality) would not wish for anyone

C1c86f42410cd4788bd9c5cf801dcd8f

(2246)

on July 10, 2011
at 01:34 AM

There is no need to dedicate one life to the gym, a lifting program like 5x5 starting strength and a gallon of milk will build a lot of size, fat will come as well. However after the size is hit, the milk is stopped muscle is maintained and the fat is cut.

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74c1777d7d39b053ca64c065dcdb0072

on July 10, 2011
at 04:23 PM

Personally, It really depends on your goals. If you want to put on size quickly, it might be worth it. What are you trying to get out of this? For me I would rather, stay lean and put on muscle slightly slower. I generally feel much healthier this way.

Either way, I would definitely recommend a large post workout starchy meal

As recommended by others, check out this guide:

http://www.leangains.com/2010/04/leangains-guide.html

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on July 10, 2011
at 02:09 PM

instead of adding one huge quantity why not enjoy what you are trying to achieve by eating healthy amounts and variety?

ie: full fat cream, coconut milk, butter, avocados, coconut meat, potatoes, sweet potatoes, rice?

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