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Should everything be scrutinized through a paleo lens?

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Created November 04, 2011 at 3:35 PM

I just can't help be chuckle at some of the topics folks try to apply paleo principles to, or try to find a paleo solution to the oddest thing For example: Why do I have a sudden dislike for cheese?

Is paleo the cure-all people want it to be? Do people put too much faith in it all? Has paleo become a religion to some?

goes to read from the Gospel of Robb Wolf

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on April 17, 2012
at 02:33 AM

Very well said!

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on April 17, 2012
at 02:31 AM

I'm pretty sure a Paleo Pope hat wound involve antlers...

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on November 05, 2011
at 12:41 PM

I did nightshades because I got them from my CSA. the CSA ended so I won't buy any. I'm cutting dairy to just cream and butter to address some nasal congestion issues. Hopefully I don't have to eliminate those. I got my best results and felt my best when doing strict Paleo. I'd like to get back to that.

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on November 05, 2011
at 12:32 PM

Goggles aren't Paleo. Goggles are STEAMPUNK!

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on November 05, 2011
at 12:19 PM

I thought Dr Cordain was the Pope! or maybe Art DeVaney?

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on November 05, 2011
at 04:08 AM

Man I need to take these classes.

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on November 05, 2011
at 04:02 AM

lol I think that paleopathology of Australia made me realize that life there sucked. People had all kinds of issues, like broken unset bones, amputations without anesthesia, yaws (an infection that pretty much melts your face off), etc.

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on November 05, 2011
at 01:02 AM

I think the correct term is "Paleo optic"

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on November 05, 2011
at 12:47 AM

No. But you just gave me a great idea for bedtime snack!

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on November 05, 2011
at 12:11 AM

Mer - you got any of those little cheese cracker things you make around? I have a craving..

Ce7e28769d92d5de5533e775b1de966e

on November 05, 2011
at 12:07 AM

You so know Paleo Pope will be out and about next Halloween.

Ce7e28769d92d5de5533e775b1de966e

on November 05, 2011
at 12:06 AM

Dittos to what Rose said and now I don't have to do it as I was going to write something similar, especially the last paragraph, but much less eloquently. Nicely done.

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on November 04, 2011
at 11:43 PM

Fantastic.

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on November 04, 2011
at 09:36 PM

Nice edit Adam! ;)

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on November 04, 2011
at 07:08 PM

If its a question pertaining to lifestyle then it is relevant.

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on November 04, 2011
at 06:44 PM

Well, when all you have is a hammer... I think you see this in a lot of things. Religion, politics, as well as diet. So it isn't unique.

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on November 04, 2011
at 06:44 PM

Is this like a California cow thing? :)

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on November 04, 2011
at 06:41 PM

ha ha this is a great comment and it surprises me that its irony has not been seen yet!

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on November 04, 2011
at 06:30 PM

"Our responsibility is much greater than we might have supposed, because it involves all mankind." - Sarte

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on November 04, 2011
at 06:20 PM

How do I know they were content? Because there was no alternative.. today's society is full of too many options, leaving people always wanting more and ungrateful for what they already have. Our ancestors only had one purpose: survival a.k.a. living. I know where I would be more content.

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on November 04, 2011
at 06:20 PM

Thanks for paleo-goggles tag!

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on November 04, 2011
at 06:19 PM

I like that quote. I do think paleo is a powerful framework that can provide a lot of answers to a lot of questions. I don't think the paleo framework is relevant to every question.

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on November 04, 2011
at 06:16 PM

Well, that was the first example I found on the front page of a stretch to apply a paleo POV to an issue, I'm sure there are others that are even further stretches

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on November 04, 2011
at 06:15 PM

Well, that was the first example of a stretch to apply a paleo POV to an issue, I'm sure there are others that are even further stretches.

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on November 04, 2011
at 06:13 PM

I have been having a little too much excess nose hair growth!

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on November 04, 2011
at 06:11 PM

You'll have to steal the paleo pope hat from Robb Wolf. :P

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on November 04, 2011
at 06:04 PM

Yes, everything should be viewed through a paleolithic lens. And a cenezoic lens as well.

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on November 04, 2011
at 05:56 PM

HAHHAHHAHHAHAHAHAH! sweet sauce.

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on November 04, 2011
at 05:36 PM

+1 for sarcasm :)

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on November 04, 2011
at 05:34 PM

I know the drought in Africa circa 100,000 BC was a call for celebration. Party time, let's migrate!

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on November 04, 2011
at 05:32 PM

I know the drought in Africa circa 100,000 BC was a call for celebration.

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on November 04, 2011
at 05:27 PM

Good question, as I think we all catch ourselves doing this from time to time.

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on November 04, 2011
at 05:10 PM

In general I agree with you, but I didn't think the cheese question is so bad. It's a "hey, has this ever happened to you?" type question that is pretty common for people trying different diets.

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at 04:23 PM

we know this because we have faith, yes, it is a religion

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on November 04, 2011
at 03:50 PM

Our ancestors were happy and content? How could anyone possibly know that?

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on November 04, 2011
at 04:34 PM

Yes, everything. Constantly. All existential questions (Socrates, Heidegger, Camus, Sartre) ultimately reduce to a neat Paleo lens. If you're not sweating the smallest aspects of your life, you're not doing Paleo right. Worse, you're doing it wrong. Which makes you BAD. For me, Paleo is a church. I get to be a deacon. No, make that: bishop. Hell, no. Pope. Yeah, that's the ticket. I am Paleo Pope. Forget "who stole my cheese?" Who's got my really cool tall jeweled pope hat? Bring it back, no questions asked.

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on November 05, 2011
at 12:19 PM

I thought Dr Cordain was the Pope! or maybe Art DeVaney?

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on November 04, 2011
at 05:36 PM

+1 for sarcasm :)

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on November 04, 2011
at 05:56 PM

HAHHAHHAHHAHAHAHAH! sweet sauce.

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on November 04, 2011
at 06:11 PM

You'll have to steal the paleo pope hat from Robb Wolf. :P

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on November 04, 2011
at 06:30 PM

"Our responsibility is much greater than we might have supposed, because it involves all mankind." - Sarte

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on November 05, 2011
at 12:07 AM

You so know Paleo Pope will be out and about next Halloween.

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on April 17, 2012
at 02:31 AM

I'm pretty sure a Paleo Pope hat wound involve antlers...

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on November 04, 2011
at 06:00 PM

Everything should be scrutinized. The unexamined life is all too common!

You should use a series of lenses to look closer and cross-compare what you see from each perspective, the paleo lens is just one of them!

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on November 04, 2011
at 06:21 PM

Oh, there's is nothing wrong with looking at everything through a paleo lens. I would say on the contrary, it has given me very interesting ideas.

The problem is not looking at things through a paleo lens, it is expecting to find an answer to all your questions. The problem is expecting paleo to be a cure-all.

So I would say: use those paleo goggles, but don't expect world peace...

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on November 05, 2011
at 12:32 PM

Goggles aren't Paleo. Goggles are STEAMPUNK!

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on November 04, 2011
at 11:28 PM

I???m going to take a few minutes to rant my opinion here because I was just writing about this observation earlier today (apologies to the English professors out there):

What you???re witnessing is something very fascinating about human nature. These questions are becoming somewhat ridiculous for a reason. People see that eating Paleo works. Some aspects more than others. It is only a matter of time before people are going to try and take these ideas and mish-mash them into "pillars of truth" until we have some sort of Paleo religion. Why? Because generally people want congruity and a place to turn when they have problems. Or looked at another way, something to blame when things go wrong or displacing responsibility for personal choices.

This pattern has happened many times before in history, it???s part of evolution, and generally evolution seems to prefer to work through groups of creatures rather than individual creatures; at least the social ones. That???s why some groups thrive together and some groups die together.

On the surface there was nothing wrong with the cheese question. It was a fair question and not abnormal for the period of time we live in. However, looking more deeply it appears that people have stopped trusting themselves and their instincts because a) we were taught in school that the foods our ancestors ate were bad and b) the emphasis placed on the authority of the so-called experts for which the bar is becoming lower and lower and of which some have questionable integrity regarding their handling of the evidence.

These things have tendency to cripple a lot of people from being able to think clearly and thus make reasonable choices on their own for the very fact that some ideas or assumptions in Paleo are just that. Assumptions. Which can be counter-intuitive to the individual. So one might say, well if this is different from what I thought, what else am I doing that is wrong. Again, sometimes the assumptions are reasonable sometimes they are ridiculous. This second guessing is what I like to call intelligent selection pressure.

I was recently reading a question and a knowledgeable individual with some education was welcomed to the site. The question was a good question and the answer given was technical but accurate. No problem with that. However, what I saw was an eagerness to justify a position. Essentially, what we used to call in the military as "pulling rank" i.e. I out rank you therefore since we can't decide--"I"--the person with rank will decide for you. In my opinion there is no room here for that type of culture. It's exclusion. We are dealing with real people in which their personal experiences sometimes differ from what the sciences proclaim. Does that mean the science is wrong? Not necessarily. But it does mean the theory is flawed. Some people on here often imply ???you???re flawed???. The conversation typically goes: I'm strict paleo for x number of months and have started to suffer with x, y, and z symptoms. To which people respond: Sounds like you need a-z supplements or try this percentage of that macronutrient or that. That???s good old fashioned group pressure. As if the strict dietary restriction couldn't possibly have anything to do with the individual's problem.

To be fair, a lot of the ideas that were once tenets of Paleo, have washed down the drain. So in one sense the PH community has demonstrated it's ability to evolve. I think that is promising. However, sometimes I still get the distinct impression that there are people on here trying to push some type of optimal diet. And some people are desperate to comply with all of the Paleo ideas even if what they are trying to apply is causing problems. Sadly, that???s just a form natural selection against that individual.

I want to be clear, because this is the one time I will stand firm on an issue, not that any of you should care or be offended; it???s an opinion. In my opinion there is no such thing as an optimal diet for all just like there is no suitable religion or lack thereof for all. Some might claim to have the optimal diet just like some claim to teach the ultimate religious truth. Our fear of bad health, early death, and living a miserable unfulfilled life drive us to think and dream that there is an optimal diet, but there is no such thing. It???s this pursuit, and it???s a very clever evolutionary mechanism, that makes us want to believe this. There never has been and never will be as long as our environment continues to change, our culture changes, and we continue to evolve along with that. We are creatures of continual evolution in my opinion and evolution is a dynamic process involving everything from the environment, to the nutrition available from that environment and the impacts this has on our gut flora, to more complex factors like culture, new movement patterns, and the new technological stimulus changing our brains.

The nutrition that was optimal in the past might not be optimal now and the nutrition that is optimal now might not be optimal in the future.

Don???t shoot yourself in the foot by looking at the world through paleo-goggles. The best goggles are those that allow you to see your own unique self-destructive habits and eating patterns. The best you can ever do is to stay away from things that make you feel bad, using your brain to decide whether or not your impulses are worthwhile, and using your intelligence to de-condition yourself from potentially harmful things. You don???t have to follow an impulse, but if you learn to listen and ask yourself why you are feeling the way you do, perhaps you can recondition yourself into a more functional and thus happier individual. I???ve never seen anybody who doesn???t get fulfillment out of solving their own problems unless they are conditioned to. It???s like watching a baby put the square peg through the square whole, when they do it they are so happy.

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on November 04, 2011
at 11:43 PM

Fantastic.

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on November 05, 2011
at 12:06 AM

Dittos to what Rose said and now I don't have to do it as I was going to write something similar, especially the last paragraph, but much less eloquently. Nicely done.

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on April 17, 2012
at 02:33 AM

Very well said!

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on November 04, 2011
at 04:17 PM

No. Everything should be scrutinized through the lens of "is this good for all of us?", "is this good for some of us?", and "is this good for any of us/bad for all of us?" Paleo is a useful tool that helps us figure out some of these by using what we know about our evolutionary adaptations. It is not a panacea that covers every single aspect of human life.

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on November 04, 2011
at 04:02 PM

You think the cheese question was bad? You should see some questions we have closed and there are still some very marginal ones on the site.

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on November 04, 2011
at 06:15 PM

Well, that was the first example of a stretch to apply a paleo POV to an issue, I'm sure there are others that are even further stretches.

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on November 04, 2011
at 06:16 PM

Well, that was the first example I found on the front page of a stretch to apply a paleo POV to an issue, I'm sure there are others that are even further stretches

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on November 04, 2011
at 03:47 PM

Personally, I'd rather experiment with nightshades, dairy, etc. before shunning them as sacrilegious anathemata.

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on November 05, 2011
at 12:41 PM

I did nightshades because I got them from my CSA. the CSA ended so I won't buy any. I'm cutting dairy to just cream and butter to address some nasal congestion issues. Hopefully I don't have to eliminate those. I got my best results and felt my best when doing strict Paleo. I'd like to get back to that.

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on November 04, 2011
at 05:46 PM

Magnifiers and "burning glasses" or "magnifying glasses" are mentioned in the writings of Seneca and Pliny the Elder, Roman philosophers during the first century A. D., but apparently they were not used much until the invention of spectacles, toward the end of the 13th century. They were named lenses because they are shaped like the seeds of a lentil.

Probably too recent to be considered paleo.

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on November 04, 2011
at 06:41 PM

ha ha this is a great comment and it surprises me that its irony has not been seen yet!

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on November 04, 2011
at 04:19 PM

I think there are some for whom it is akin to religion. Whether something actually works for them or not is far less important than adhering to paleo dogma and worshiping at the altars of their chosen paleo gods. Of course, this isn't a problem limited to the paleo diet. You see the same kind of thing in the vegetarian, vegan, low-fat, low-carb, and raw food communities. For many people food is very emotionally charged and heavily connected to identity, so this kind of behavior is hardly surprising.

However, I didn't think the cheese question was that bad. It is a bit odd to have something you enjoyed in the past suddenly taste terrible to you and I don't think it is way out of the realm of possibility to think radically changing your diet might have caused that. (I don't think it did cause it: pregnancy--or other hormonal change, product reformulation, or overemphasis of that food in the diet seem more likely to me.)

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on November 04, 2011
at 05:48 PM

The cheese question was great. What if somebody asked something way weirder, like "how come my nose hairs are growing so fast?", and then a hundred other folks answer, saying their's are growing at a gallop, too, ever since going paleo? Nose hair specialists in dozens of universities around the world would convene a big nose hair conference, and governments would institute nose hair guidelines. You just never know what the implications of a simple question might be.

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on November 04, 2011
at 06:13 PM

I have been having a little too much excess nose hair growth!

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on November 04, 2011
at 04:13 PM

Someone, Maslow possibly, said, "When all you have is a hammer everything looks like a nail."

I'm sure we're doing some of that, but I'm also sure it's a good thing that we've opened our eyes to more than just what we're eating. Do we really have to slather ourselves with chemicals constantly? Do we really need to drive or ride everywhere?

Okay, that sounded like a Yes didn't it? Anyhow, I still like sharp cheddar. :-))

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on November 04, 2011
at 07:08 PM

If its a question pertaining to lifestyle then it is relevant.

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on November 04, 2011
at 06:19 PM

I like that quote. I do think paleo is a powerful framework that can provide a lot of answers to a lot of questions. I don't think the paleo framework is relevant to every question.

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on November 04, 2011
at 03:52 PM

I don't see the problem with the cheese question...

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on November 04, 2011
at 03:42 PM

I think so. Our ancestors were super fit, happy and content. The more we can emulate them the closer we are going to get to feeling the same way. IMO

However I would agree, those types of questions are ridiculous.

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on November 04, 2011
at 06:44 PM

Is this like a California cow thing? :)

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on November 04, 2011
at 04:23 PM

we know this because we have faith, yes, it is a religion

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on November 04, 2011
at 03:50 PM

Our ancestors were happy and content? How could anyone possibly know that?

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on November 04, 2011
at 05:32 PM

I know the drought in Africa circa 100,000 BC was a call for celebration.

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on November 04, 2011
at 05:34 PM

I know the drought in Africa circa 100,000 BC was a call for celebration. Party time, let's migrate!

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on November 04, 2011
at 06:20 PM

How do I know they were content? Because there was no alternative.. today's society is full of too many options, leaving people always wanting more and ungrateful for what they already have. Our ancestors only had one purpose: survival a.k.a. living. I know where I would be more content.

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on November 05, 2011
at 04:02 AM

lol I think that paleopathology of Australia made me realize that life there sucked. People had all kinds of issues, like broken unset bones, amputations without anesthesia, yaws (an infection that pretty much melts your face off), etc.

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on November 05, 2011
at 04:08 AM

Man I need to take these classes.

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on April 17, 2012
at 02:05 AM

I asked a semi-simalar question asking if you've become a paleo junkie. Part of that question I think can be answered in part by the fact that some people have mastered the basics of this lifestyle and are simply exploring the fringes of paleo culture. That's my take anyway.

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on April 17, 2012
at 01:29 AM

Im starting to wonder if there is another factor here. Where else can we go to so comfortably and more importantly ANONYMOUSLY discuss our health issues than this community. If I had a nickle for every poop post....Heck Ive posted stuff on here I wouldnt tell a hard of hearing senior cat. This kind of freedom is downright glorious lol.

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on November 05, 2011
at 12:47 AM

Paleo lens does not equal guru lens FYI. Just saying, if your limited to viewing things like genetics and epigenetics from one persons reading of the evidence you may as well become their puppet....if you use the lens of "our healthiest ancestors did x" and compare it to what your doing, I can't see that as a bad thing. RCT's are good at reductionist thinking while and evolutionary/paleo approach to discovery is much more holistic of view. I like holistic lens myself.

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at 12:00 AM

oh yes absolutely. genetics has a lot to do with that but most paleo hacks don't get that part. no we aren't all the same......... you may think grok is all our relatives and if that works for you, stick with that belief. otherwise do some searching outside paleo.

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on November 04, 2011
at 09:18 PM

I liked the cheese question. I have Paleo Hacks in my Google Reader and only click on topics I want to read in full. I clicked on that one even though I don't eat cheese. I thought it raised the larger question of whether we should be eating foods that our bodies and/or minds are telling us not to eat, even though those foods might be Paleo.

To me, Paleo isn't just about a list of foods to eat and not eat, and so any question related to food is relevant: how much to eat of certain foods, what to do if you don't like a food that's Paleo, etc.

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