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Should diabetics eat dairy?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created February 01, 2011 at 1:45 AM

So, my father in law just asked me "Should diabetics eat dairy?" in regards to my mother in law, who is borderline diabetic.

I know what I answered to him, but I am curious to see if that's the same response I will get from you all.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on February 16, 2011
at 09:12 PM

what's this? just "no"?

7252d24b0b0a359774025c4f39bd395b

(95)

on February 08, 2011
at 06:54 PM

Borderline is not treated with insulin. Do not believe that for one instant. Insulin is the last line of treatment for Type II.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on February 02, 2011
at 04:10 PM

She is working on losing weight which she has been somewhat successful with using crappy SAD products. I don't think she would even think of drinking heavy cream right now. I've got some in my fridge though, if she changes her mind. :)

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on February 02, 2011
at 04:09 PM

Man, I wish something would get through to her. They live with us (attached related living) and my daughter is even more attached to her than most kids are with their grandmas because she's been her main caregiver most of her life. I want her to be there for my daughter's wedding (and she's only 9 now) but I just don't see it happening. She does the equivalent of putting her fingers in her ears and going *lalalalalala* when you try and talk to her. I only talk to her about nutrition when she asks questions now.

06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

(9948)

on February 01, 2011
at 08:25 PM

SnoDog Don't become a long distance runner with your new found energy. Long distance runners after years of running have overexercised their heart, basically overused the heart muscle to the point of deterioration and are good candidates for a coronary event. Tabata sprints...20 sec full out, rest 10 sec and repeat and do it for 8 reps. Then lay off for a day and repeat. YOu will give the heart muscle time to recover.

1d952d225819b0229e93160a90bf9bf8

(1600)

on February 01, 2011
at 08:18 PM

Have your father in law show her some pictures of advanced diabetes, and then explain that her organs are failing because of her diet.If she wants to live, she has to change.I got my mother off the Splenda/Nutrasweet train by explaining that they were closer to cleaning products than sweeteners, and pointed out patterns in her behavior(mood swings, headaches) that were directly related to them.She gave up soy, too, when she found it did the same thing.Every little step counts.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on February 01, 2011
at 06:25 PM

I agree SnowDog. I wish I could convince her, but it's not gonna happen.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on February 01, 2011
at 06:24 PM

I've lost 111lbs in the last 6 years. She'll ask questions, but then acts like my answers are the most ~crazy~ thing she ever heard.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on February 01, 2011
at 06:24 PM

That was what I was thinking too. I said heavy cream and butter were probably good, but ditch the sweetened fat free yogurt, 2% milk and ice cream.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on February 01, 2011
at 06:23 PM

That is so cool that you fixed that with your diet! I have no idea what her numbers are, just that every time she is tested she is "borderline" and the doc keeps threatening her with insulin.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on February 01, 2011
at 06:22 PM

Absolutely! I wasn't preaching, but second guessing my answer to the question that was presented to me. I'm not going to change her, that I'm aware of.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on February 01, 2011
at 06:22 PM

She's doing both. I think my FIL was just trying to get her to understand that it wasn't "health" food to eat a bunch of crappy Fit n' Active yogurts or "light" ice cream.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on February 01, 2011
at 06:02 PM

Gluten grains, dairy and MSG-laced processed/fast foods are the main things people don't want to give up because they are all drugs and reward the brain when consumed.

B2157bdf4a217ac943c41125d1a67845

(258)

on February 01, 2011
at 10:23 AM

I dropped 80 lbs, and am now living with blood sugars under 100, without medication. My energy levels are through the roof, and I can run again after 25 years of being unable. I had two choices when I discovered I was diabetic: follow the standard American path, and die early; or find a new way. It works.

06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

(9948)

on February 01, 2011
at 03:14 AM

Blow her away by going zero carb for 3 months. The weight will drop off like butter and she will have to ask you how you did it! And you can tell her it's a secret and drive her more crazy than she is aleady. Do it for yourself and maybe she might get it.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on February 01, 2011
at 02:49 AM

THANKS IDRISCKY!

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on February 01, 2011
at 02:48 AM

That's okay, my mom is also crazy. (Still smoking with lung issues) It's just different. WHAT DO THEY THINK CARBS ARE?! Seriously. And then she asks me weird questions, like what do I have with breakfast (zucchini sops up egg yolk nicely) and how do I eat sandwiches (I don't). I can't even really talk about this stuff with her anymore. I obviously know what I'm doing having lost a lot of weight and stopped taking blood pressure meds, but she just wants to believe I am wrong.

D30ff86ad2c1f3b43b99aed213bcf461

on February 01, 2011
at 02:38 AM

(And my folks and inlaws both insist that they don't eat many carbs, too, despite bread, crackers, oatmeal, cereals etc. that fill their pantries.)

D30ff86ad2c1f3b43b99aed213bcf461

on February 01, 2011
at 02:35 AM

Whoops, sorry for the brain fart, missed that it was MIL/FIL and not mom/dad.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on February 01, 2011
at 02:22 AM

It's not MY mom, she's another lost cause entirely. I pretty much said exactly what you did, but she doesn't want to hear it. But then she tells me she doesn't eat many carbs and her fridge is filled with bread and sweets. It's like she doesn't get it, but it's more that she doesn't WANT to get it.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on February 01, 2011
at 02:21 AM

Hahahaha DEXTER. Thank you for the chuckle. She's my MOTHER IN LAW, I don't know if that's really possible. And we mostly like each other.

06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

(9948)

on February 01, 2011
at 02:04 AM

Just print out this thread and give it to her with love and affection. With your magnetic personality, how can she refuse to at least look at it!

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on February 01, 2011
at 02:01 AM

That's amazing Dexter! I wish my MIL was actually interested in fixing herself.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on February 01, 2011
at 02:00 AM

Her diet is terrible for a lot of reasons, basically she has bought into Conventional Wisdom in a big way and won't believe it is wrong. She buys 5 different "Women's Magazine's" every week and loves Dr. Oz. I'm not going to fix her because she just wants to take medication and eat what she wants. Thanks for the answer though! I am comfortable with the information I gave my FIL.

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2b8c327d1296a96ad64cdadc7dffa72d

on February 01, 2011
at 01:57 AM

My short answer "it depends".

Dairy has been in the news in regards to diabetes, once camps FULL fat dairy can be helpful, another says avoid (in general because it is insulinogenic).

So, what to do?

The first issue is really what your mother in laws TOTAL diet looks like, how she moves, what her stress level is like, what her attitude is like, and how everything works together.

If she eats dairy to the exclusion of other nutrients (has she bought into eating low fat Dannon with an apple as a snack and won't hear of anything else), then I'd cut it out. If a sprinkle of cheese helps the eggplant go down, I say keep moving, and let's look at other things.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on February 01, 2011
at 02:00 AM

Her diet is terrible for a lot of reasons, basically she has bought into Conventional Wisdom in a big way and won't believe it is wrong. She buys 5 different "Women's Magazine's" every week and loves Dr. Oz. I'm not going to fix her because she just wants to take medication and eat what she wants. Thanks for the answer though! I am comfortable with the information I gave my FIL.

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06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

(9948)

on February 01, 2011
at 01:56 AM

Milk contains the sugar lactose and thus should be avoided if trying to reduce Blood Sugar down to normal of less than 100. There are worse items that should be cut out of a pre diabetic or diabetic diet....all the processed neolithic foods.

I have a 77 year old friend that has eliminated all carbs except salads with oil and vinegar and a few sweet potatos. He eats now eats 75% fat, 20% protein plus the few carbs. For the last 28 years he has had stints placed in him every 7 years. His Blood Glucose upon arising was over 200 without metformin and 120 with metformin. He has since ditched his medication for blood sugar and for high blood pressure and his BG is 95 with 120/75 BP. He has dropped 40 pounds since going paleo. Is taking D3 and feels fabulous. He was due for another stint attack this year and now he is hoping all that heart problem is just a memory.

This is how I know paleo works...for everyone.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on February 01, 2011
at 02:01 AM

That's amazing Dexter! I wish my MIL was actually interested in fixing herself.

B2157bdf4a217ac943c41125d1a67845

(258)

on February 01, 2011
at 10:23 AM

I dropped 80 lbs, and am now living with blood sugars under 100, without medication. My energy levels are through the roof, and I can run again after 25 years of being unable. I had two choices when I discovered I was diabetic: follow the standard American path, and die early; or find a new way. It works.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on February 01, 2011
at 02:21 AM

Hahahaha DEXTER. Thank you for the chuckle. She's my MOTHER IN LAW, I don't know if that's really possible. And we mostly like each other.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on February 01, 2011
at 06:25 PM

I agree SnowDog. I wish I could convince her, but it's not gonna happen.

06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

(9948)

on February 01, 2011
at 08:25 PM

SnoDog Don't become a long distance runner with your new found energy. Long distance runners after years of running have overexercised their heart, basically overused the heart muscle to the point of deterioration and are good candidates for a coronary event. Tabata sprints...20 sec full out, rest 10 sec and repeat and do it for 8 reps. Then lay off for a day and repeat. YOu will give the heart muscle time to recover.

06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

(9948)

on February 01, 2011
at 02:04 AM

Just print out this thread and give it to her with love and affection. With your magnetic personality, how can she refuse to at least look at it!

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D30ff86ad2c1f3b43b99aed213bcf461

on February 01, 2011
at 02:08 AM

Very much off the top of my head, I would have said, ghee is probably OK. Butter or heavy cream, might depend on the person/specifics.

Though I know you're working with a tough scenario with your folks and convincing your mom, in a perfect universe where she was really, truly interested, she could eliminate all dairy for a month, then reintroduce ghee (and measure blood glucose levels) and then a few weeks later butter (measure again), and then a few weeks later heavy cream (measure again), and adjust depending on how she's impacted.

Don't know if I'd go much beyond that though, dairy-wise.

D30ff86ad2c1f3b43b99aed213bcf461

on February 01, 2011
at 02:35 AM

Whoops, sorry for the brain fart, missed that it was MIL/FIL and not mom/dad.

06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

(9948)

on February 01, 2011
at 03:14 AM

Blow her away by going zero carb for 3 months. The weight will drop off like butter and she will have to ask you how you did it! And you can tell her it's a secret and drive her more crazy than she is aleady. Do it for yourself and maybe she might get it.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on February 01, 2011
at 02:22 AM

It's not MY mom, she's another lost cause entirely. I pretty much said exactly what you did, but she doesn't want to hear it. But then she tells me she doesn't eat many carbs and her fridge is filled with bread and sweets. It's like she doesn't get it, but it's more that she doesn't WANT to get it.

D30ff86ad2c1f3b43b99aed213bcf461

on February 01, 2011
at 02:38 AM

(And my folks and inlaws both insist that they don't eat many carbs, too, despite bread, crackers, oatmeal, cereals etc. that fill their pantries.)

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on February 01, 2011
at 02:48 AM

That's okay, my mom is also crazy. (Still smoking with lung issues) It's just different. WHAT DO THEY THINK CARBS ARE?! Seriously. And then she asks me weird questions, like what do I have with breakfast (zucchini sops up egg yolk nicely) and how do I eat sandwiches (I don't). I can't even really talk about this stuff with her anymore. I obviously know what I'm doing having lost a lot of weight and stopped taking blood pressure meds, but she just wants to believe I am wrong.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on February 01, 2011
at 06:24 PM

I've lost 111lbs in the last 6 years. She'll ask questions, but then acts like my answers are the most ~crazy~ thing she ever heard.

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39a1a0bc7855c084ac59df60fdf9c0dd

(1505)

on February 02, 2011
at 04:02 PM

Anything other than heavy cream spikes BG in everyone I know. When I'm hankering for dairy - which I do a lot - I pour out 1/4 cup of heavy cream and sip it like manna from heaven. I measure it b/c I think it has nearly 800 calories per cup, so you can go overboard on it.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on February 02, 2011
at 04:10 PM

She is working on losing weight which she has been somewhat successful with using crappy SAD products. I don't think she would even think of drinking heavy cream right now. I've got some in my fridge though, if she changes her mind. :)

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Ce0b5fd94b1034e96cf710b6f138c29d

on February 01, 2011
at 05:48 PM

I went paleo after being diagnosed with Type II diabetes. Had a morning fasting BG of 12.4 on diagnosis. After a year of Paleo it's typically down in the 5.4-6.2 range.

I've cut out pretty much all dairy except for butter and the odd bit of cheese now and again (I can go weeks without eating the stuff, though). It occurs to me, though, that I should try to experiment a bit and track my BG after chugging a quart of milk.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on February 01, 2011
at 06:23 PM

That is so cool that you fixed that with your diet! I have no idea what her numbers are, just that every time she is tested she is "borderline" and the doc keeps threatening her with insulin.

7252d24b0b0a359774025c4f39bd395b

(95)

on February 08, 2011
at 06:54 PM

Borderline is not treated with insulin. Do not believe that for one instant. Insulin is the last line of treatment for Type II.

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1d952d225819b0229e93160a90bf9bf8

on February 01, 2011
at 05:14 PM

Is it better to have her eat dairy, or be like the 60 pounds overweight elderly woman I saw in the grocery store last week, complaining her blood sugar was screwed up while eating Peanut M&Ms to "stabilize" it?

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on February 01, 2011
at 06:22 PM

She's doing both. I think my FIL was just trying to get her to understand that it wasn't "health" food to eat a bunch of crappy Fit n' Active yogurts or "light" ice cream.

1d952d225819b0229e93160a90bf9bf8

(1600)

on February 01, 2011
at 08:18 PM

Have your father in law show her some pictures of advanced diabetes, and then explain that her organs are failing because of her diet.If she wants to live, she has to change.I got my mother off the Splenda/Nutrasweet train by explaining that they were closer to cleaning products than sweeteners, and pointed out patterns in her behavior(mood swings, headaches) that were directly related to them.She gave up soy, too, when she found it did the same thing.Every little step counts.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on February 02, 2011
at 04:09 PM

Man, I wish something would get through to her. They live with us (attached related living) and my daughter is even more attached to her than most kids are with their grandmas because she's been her main caregiver most of her life. I want her to be there for my daughter's wedding (and she's only 9 now) but I just don't see it happening. She does the equivalent of putting her fingers in her ears and going *lalalalalala* when you try and talk to her. I only talk to her about nutrition when she asks questions now.

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0c0c5c65612425e497b7231c21516943

(1354)

on February 01, 2011
at 01:46 PM

Robb Wolf talks a lot about dairy and it causing an insulin response. Not to mention it is a growth promoter (cancer, anyone?) Perhaps testing sugar levels and experimenting? Unfortunately, it sounds as if, like most people, they just don't want to be told anything. People are more attached to their food than they are concerned about their health. It is very sad and very frustrating. Robb Wolf also has spoken a lot about preaching to our family members is pretty much a waste of time :(

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on February 01, 2011
at 06:02 PM

Gluten grains, dairy and MSG-laced processed/fast foods are the main things people don't want to give up because they are all drugs and reward the brain when consumed.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on February 01, 2011
at 06:22 PM

Absolutely! I wasn't preaching, but second guessing my answer to the question that was presented to me. I'm not going to change her, that I'm aware of.

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62ed65f3596aa2f62fa1d58a0c09f8c3

(20807)

on February 01, 2011
at 03:59 AM

I'd say ditch the high carb diary, milk, icecream, etc. Stuff like cheese, cream, butter, etc that are lowcarb are probably fine from a diabetic standpoint.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on February 01, 2011
at 06:24 PM

That was what I was thinking too. I said heavy cream and butter were probably good, but ditch the sweetened fat free yogurt, 2% milk and ice cream.

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Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on February 16, 2011
at 09:20 PM

mark sisson and stephan guyenet have written about this specifically. recent studies suggest that full fat dairy can be protective and helpful against diabetes. just because dairy has an effect on insulin doesn't necessarily mean it will negatively impact your health.

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/dairy-insulin/

http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2010/12/dairy-fat-and-diabetes.html

personally, i think unless you are specifically allergic or have adverse bodily reactions to dairy, that it can be a significant part of your diet, even for diabetics. but of course, the best way to know for sure is to eat dairy and closely track and monitor your blood glucose levels. taking the time to make a simple chart to see how it affects you personally is the most correct advice i can give.

cheers,

Jack Kronk

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D152935b415ad9388f24e00528c311c4

on February 01, 2011
at 02:44 AM

Should diabetics eat dairy? No.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on February 01, 2011
at 02:49 AM

THANKS IDRISCKY!

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on February 16, 2011
at 09:12 PM

what's this? just "no"?

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