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Questions about people and Paleo

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created November 26, 2012 at 5:09 PM

I have been wondering lately why so many people are against Paleo. For example:

Cheezeslave

I am not even going to list any counter arguments since most of the statements are just bogus. Raw cheese and milk are definitely Primal, and the last three statements are just made-up to make it an even number (7 top reasons would not sound as nice).

As for low-carb vs. higher-lower carb Paleo - to each their own. Insulin resistant people cannot go high-carb. On the contrary, insulin sensitive would do better with higher carbs. IBS sufferers cannot be high-carb either.

Anyway, I am really interested why people get so worked up about diets and food?

For example, die-hard vegetarians, fruitarians, raw-foodists, even Paleo. There are people who are ready to defend their diets to the last drop (crumb that is).

I also know people who would rather die than give up their coffee, diet soda, chocolate...

All ancestral health movements make sense. Eating close to what it was meant for our species is innately healthy. It is true, Paleo is a made-up diet, but the guidelines (eating grass-fed, local, organic, whole foods) are totally spot-on. Nutritionally dense, well-balanced Paleo is totally superior to SAD and vegetarianism - it just makes sense. Of course, it is still not as good as a traditional diet of some isolated people, but Paleo followers do not and cannot live in an isolated world. They have to deal with giving out candy for Halloween, relatives who demand cranberry sauce and watch all those advertisements for Happy meals.

So to me Paleo is an express-way to eating as healthy as possible in our urban environment. Who has the time to soak and germinate grains? Or change milk in kefir every day?

So, here is my question or rather my two questions - why are so many people get so defensive about their dietary habits? Is it because food is a part of culture and by denying our food we deny who we are?

Why so many people misunderstand Paleo and, as a result of their own misunderstanding, are all against it? Or is it something that Paleo gurus missed while explaining the whole idea? Is Paleo a movement where everybody is free to do whatever they want as long as they understand the principal or is it viewed as another weight-loss diet?

Just wondering...

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on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

Yes, I see we've done some of the same reading. systematic biases lead to predictable errors in thought.

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

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on November 27, 2012
at 01:11 PM

Also we're all biased, some just more reflexive and able to play around in the context of the bias..

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

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on November 27, 2012
at 01:10 PM

Agree totally with what you've said. Somewhat pedantically though I have to say that even amongst people who ostensibly know something of logic and reasoning, there can and will be disagreement.

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

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on November 27, 2012
at 01:07 PM

shouldn't be carictured and viewed as being representative...

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

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on November 27, 2012
at 01:07 PM

Yeah I agree a fair few if the of things he writes are unfleshed out and dubious, but that mantra and a lot of the writing was promoted (it seems to me) ito an audeitnce of peple prone to 'orthorexia' regrading paleo. I agree eating bagels all the time isn't really that good (understatement), and I'm pretty sure he would sa that too. The point though is something most paleo folk can also agree with and realtes to axioms regrading stressing less, 'eating to live, not lieving to eat', etc. This context is important- the mantra eat the food arguably

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on November 27, 2012
at 02:07 AM

It is not ironic- the word you are looking for is coincidental.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

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on November 27, 2012
at 12:17 AM

WORD. I'm not 100% Paleo or anything, but I'm at least 75% through my 12 step program.

A08b210e4da7e69cd792bddc1f4aae4b

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on November 26, 2012
at 10:50 PM

"A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defense of custom. But the tumult soon subsides. Time makes more converts than reason." Thomas Paine, Common Sense, 1776

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on November 26, 2012
at 07:09 PM

I wish I could give you 1,000 "thumbs up". I really like how you said that people are not taught logic and reasoning skills.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on November 26, 2012
at 06:06 PM

I have just browsed through Matt Stone. My ferritin levels must be getting higher since I am not as angry as I used to be. But I still hate people who say half-truths. I mean, it is worse than telling a lie. And many things he says are half-truths or rather opinions. I cannot stand it. Eat the food? Do you know anybody alive who is not doing just that? Oh, right, anorexics. But they would not listen to his advice anyway.

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on November 26, 2012
at 07:01 PM

People have a confirmation bias. They tend to believe more the things that they already sort of believe. And Paleos do it too. In my case, I was overweight eating a SAD and following guidelines. After years of thinking there was something wrong with me, I then thought it must be the diet, and then, voila, paleo. But I already had to start thinking like that.

People read one or two articles, by people who read one or two blogs, and they think that is the whole deal. We do it with everything, politics, religion/atheism, etc., etc.. On the whole, people are not taught logic and reasoning skills, and are not goot at identifying credible sources.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

Yes, I see we've done some of the same reading. systematic biases lead to predictable errors in thought.

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

(2934)

on November 27, 2012
at 01:10 PM

Agree totally with what you've said. Somewhat pedantically though I have to say that even amongst people who ostensibly know something of logic and reasoning, there can and will be disagreement.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on November 26, 2012
at 07:09 PM

I wish I could give you 1,000 "thumbs up". I really like how you said that people are not taught logic and reasoning skills.

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

(2934)

on November 27, 2012
at 01:11 PM

Also we're all biased, some just more reflexive and able to play around in the context of the bias..

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97d98cdf2f18fa2c0bd8567ea1159609

on November 26, 2012
at 05:27 PM

Very 'coincidental' you just posted this question, because about 20 minutes ago I randomly came across Cheezeslave's post against Paleo. I couldn't help but get a little angry because her arguments were supported with no evidence. It was basically full of opinions and rants. My problem with posts such as that is they produce misinformation for individuals trying to learn about Paleo, and thinking about trying out the lifestyle. Therefore, someone with some health problems who could possibly find a solution among Paleo may be turned away from Paleo because of posts such as the one from Cheezeslave.

Anyways; to each their own.

EDIT: BASED ON THE CORRECTION POSED BY FOREVERYOUNG.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on November 27, 2012
at 02:07 AM

It is not ironic- the word you are looking for is coincidental.

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3491e51730101b18724dc57c86601173

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on November 26, 2012
at 05:47 PM

Cheezeslave is now following Matt Stone. His theory, according to her, is "His bottom line: EAT THE FOOD. Eat what makes you feel good. Stop restricting, stop counting calories, carbs, fat grams. Just eat the food."

Yeah, well that's what got me obese, infertile, and sick in the first place. No thanks.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on November 26, 2012
at 06:06 PM

I have just browsed through Matt Stone. My ferritin levels must be getting higher since I am not as angry as I used to be. But I still hate people who say half-truths. I mean, it is worse than telling a lie. And many things he says are half-truths or rather opinions. I cannot stand it. Eat the food? Do you know anybody alive who is not doing just that? Oh, right, anorexics. But they would not listen to his advice anyway.

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

(2934)

on November 27, 2012
at 01:07 PM

shouldn't be carictured and viewed as being representative...

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

(2934)

on November 27, 2012
at 01:07 PM

Yeah I agree a fair few if the of things he writes are unfleshed out and dubious, but that mantra and a lot of the writing was promoted (it seems to me) ito an audeitnce of peple prone to 'orthorexia' regrading paleo. I agree eating bagels all the time isn't really that good (understatement), and I'm pretty sure he would sa that too. The point though is something most paleo folk can also agree with and realtes to axioms regrading stressing less, 'eating to live, not lieving to eat', etc. This context is important- the mantra eat the food arguably

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on November 26, 2012
at 05:22 PM

Because they are addicted to their food and that is how addicts behave. It is too hard for them to stop so they instead get defensive and try to come up with crazy arguments why they are right.

The article you posted is from a self proclaimed "slave" to cheese and just basically bitches the entire article about how she can't eat whatever she wants and still be paleo.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

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on November 27, 2012
at 12:17 AM

WORD. I'm not 100% Paleo or anything, but I'm at least 75% through my 12 step program.

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on November 26, 2012
at 05:19 PM

I think in general people tend to feel threatened when somebody finds another path that works for themselves. Automatically becoming defensive, projecting their own doubts about their decision-making. Projecting their frustrations at their own lack of control. Or assuming that, because you've found something that works for you, somehow you make their choices invalid.

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