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purines and paleo

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Created April 18, 2011 at 12:14 AM

Could anyone give a reference(paleo/ketogenic friendly) to the relationship between purines, gout and meat/organ meat? All of the internet sources I'm seeing villify meat and organ meat specifically as leading sources of purines which they claim leads to gout. Is this research something to take seriously? If so, gout seems inevitable for the paleo crowd.

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on April 18, 2011
at 03:01 PM

And see this posting from Dr. Davis regarding dairy and insulin response. http://www.heartscanblog.org/2011/03/insulin-secretagogue.html

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on April 18, 2011
at 02:08 PM

except fear itself

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on April 18, 2011
at 03:44 AM

no fat issues, just concerned about joint health, gout, etc. Also 'metastatic calcification' you had mentioned in a previous reply(I have yet to investigate this topic but I assume the search word above would be a start).

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on April 18, 2011
at 02:51 AM

If you're trying to lean out and loose weight.....no fructose no dairy and serious cut back on omega sixes. I am just amazed about the flack on this site about these recs

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on April 18, 2011
at 02:46 AM

All dairy increases insulin hence why you might want to avoid it if you have issues with fat. See page 98 of Robb's book.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on April 18, 2011
at 01:23 AM

Perfect. Ever see 'wild strawberries' by ingmar bergman?

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on April 18, 2011
at 01:00 AM

Its been working, but improvements can always be made and I might have made the mistake of ramming fruit down my throat iff I hadn't discovered many of the things the helpful people on this site have thrown my way. A syllogism:Butter is insulinergic. Elevated insulin is a cause of gout(according to the article. Therefore butter may dispose one to gout[?]. Is this sound logic or am I off track again?

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at 12:55 AM

thanks for the link/info. Nothing to fear I suppose...

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at 12:39 AM

Thanks for the reference. I'll check it out.

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on April 18, 2011
at 12:41 AM

While I dont have any research to cite, like you, have not only found that meat fairly villified, but also seemingly every other thing under the sun can be responsible too.

Therefore, I can only speak anecdotally and personally. One of the main reasons I got on this diet was because of my bouts with gout. Flares were not only often, but vicious. There were days that I could barely walk. It always attacked my feet, and I had t to the point that I almost got used to just dealing with a little soreness on my big knuckle. I also used to be very acidic, and purines, so you know, have to do with uric acid. I would carry tums with me in my jacket pocket, had a roll in the car, at work, at home. I took a Priolec every morning and still needed those for the just in case stuff that came up often.

I have been paleo for about 5 mos now and can say I have not only not had a flare at all, but I have not needed any type of antacid either. It was amazing, literally like a switch. I spent the last 5-6 years dealing with this stuff, and a couple days into paleo, nothing.

Now, I will admit that this could be related to many different things. Before paleo I was a fairly heavy carb eater, and was in the beer industry, so I drank my fair share as well. Now I am VLC, getting more exercise, losing weight, drinking less, etc. But, that is what I love about this lifestyle, I dont care to disect every little thing to figure out cause and effect. I live this life, I feel better. I feel amazing. I feel better at 38 than I have in the last 20 years, and while that does not answer your question, thats enough for me.

You may just think about seeing what works for you.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on April 18, 2011
at 01:00 AM

Its been working, but improvements can always be made and I might have made the mistake of ramming fruit down my throat iff I hadn't discovered many of the things the helpful people on this site have thrown my way. A syllogism:Butter is insulinergic. Elevated insulin is a cause of gout(according to the article. Therefore butter may dispose one to gout[?]. Is this sound logic or am I off track again?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 18, 2011
at 03:44 AM

no fat issues, just concerned about joint health, gout, etc. Also 'metastatic calcification' you had mentioned in a previous reply(I have yet to investigate this topic but I assume the search word above would be a start).

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on April 18, 2011
at 02:46 AM

All dairy increases insulin hence why you might want to avoid it if you have issues with fat. See page 98 of Robb's book.

06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

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on April 18, 2011
at 03:01 PM

And see this posting from Dr. Davis regarding dairy and insulin response. http://www.heartscanblog.org/2011/03/insulin-secretagogue.html

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on April 18, 2011
at 02:03 AM

Robb Wolf touched on this in episode 65 of his podcast http://robbwolf.com/2011/02/01/the-paleo-solution-episode-65/

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on April 18, 2011
at 01:07 AM

Fructose has been inplicated in causing uric acid to form crystals. A paleo diet, by definition, will eliminate sugar which is 50% sucrose and 50% fructose. HFCS is even more of a problem.

http://www.beatinggout.com/2009/06/gout-and-high-fructose-corn-syrup/

Some fruit contains goodly amounts of fructose which is why I only consume strawberries, blueberries and blackberries.

Meat and fat and some tubers are no problem for gout.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on April 18, 2011
at 01:23 AM

Perfect. Ever see 'wild strawberries' by ingmar bergman?

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on April 18, 2011
at 02:51 AM

If you're trying to lean out and loose weight.....no fructose no dairy and serious cut back on omega sixes. I am just amazed about the flack on this site about these recs

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on April 18, 2011
at 12:36 AM

Well, it is certainly not the original source material, but a great discussion here:

http://www.fourhourworkweek.com/blog/2009/10/05/gout/

Gout appears to be more an issue of consuming Neolithic Agents of Disease. And no meat, organs or animal sourced foods are NAD.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on April 18, 2011
at 12:55 AM

thanks for the link/info. Nothing to fear I suppose...

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on April 18, 2011
at 02:08 PM

except fear itself

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on April 18, 2011
at 12:39 AM

Thanks for the reference. I'll check it out.

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