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Paleo-to-Vegan Convert?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created March 02, 2012 at 3:55 PM

We frequently hear about vegans/vegetarians converting to a paleo-like lifestyle. My question: has anyone ever heard of the opposite occurring?

C6032b723b12cf0073ec6d22c5f4e7ae

on July 29, 2014
at 02:32 AM

Boo this. On the reals.

192a2d6a31fe367deb913ccaa2c97460

(145)

on July 27, 2014
at 03:36 PM

i think that folks on paleo are the ones following lysenkoism considering that they are ignoring facts and continuing to eat so much animal food- but not all animal farming is bad, its super important to support small scale farming operations, but only if eating meat is really working for you. I had to be realistic and realize that it was not working for me and had been fucking with my hormones. We are all different! I am sharing because veganism has helped me immensely and maybe there are *some* (obviously not all) people who could benefit by trying veganism. It saved me years of frustration

192a2d6a31fe367deb913ccaa2c97460

(145)

on July 27, 2014
at 03:32 PM

the copy paste was my bad. I am sharing because that transition really helped me. i didn't change my diet for ideological reasons, I found veg to be more effective for me, i only realized later.

At least one third of the worlds greenhouse gas emissions come from agriculture & livestock without factoring in processing, transport, packing, and retail emissions (1) and consumption of animal products is related to higher rates of death, heart disease, cancer, obesity, and diabetes (2/3). Not to mention, high rates of protein have been shown to be as prohibitive to fat loss as high calorie diets

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19463)

on July 27, 2014
at 03:06 PM

You're repeating yourself, copypasta accident, or are you a bot?

Also switching your diet for political reasons smacks of Lysenkoism, and will likely produce similar results.

089dd41b18fbb95ebb5347cded708d98

(5635)

on August 09, 2013
at 12:06 AM

at least you gave it a good shot, kit!!! that's all you can do.

Afdf5873a082cd806c4d15c456f3614f

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on July 03, 2012
at 05:00 PM

Totally agree! I personally have found a huge benefit in eating vegan/raw for a periods...I don't think meat all the time is necessary or beneficial.

Cccb899526fb5908f64176e0a74ed2d9

(2801)

on May 05, 2012
at 08:08 PM

Are you eating more carbohydrate as a Primal-Veggie than you were as a meat-eater? I would be curious if you maintained or even experienced increased energy with a re-introduction of animal flesh while maintaining your current carb intake.

C8586fa2188272d5474d22aa8a500619

(358)

on May 05, 2012
at 12:05 PM

Lame Hunter Diet?

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on March 09, 2012
at 08:00 PM

Thanks and keep me updated! :)

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on March 05, 2012
at 01:09 PM

No offense, but the sheer simplicity of the google search shows that there's no way more paleo to vegan converts than vegan to paleo. Unless they are so ashamed they don't post about it on the net, which I guess is possible. But come on, that's a pretty tough one to try and believe.

87b7d250ea30415ed4c1afd809f4053f

(968)

on March 04, 2012
at 05:05 PM

Um, I recall the dude from freetheanimal.com mentioning a hardcore vegan posting 70 something anti paleo videos on utube all in one hit, I guess that was you. Wow, that's a weird thing to do.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on March 04, 2012
at 04:40 PM

Traditionally prepared legumes aren't all that bad.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on March 04, 2012
at 04:05 PM

So it sounds like a paleo diet...

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on March 04, 2012
at 03:58 PM

*"Created by someone who was nearly seduced by the Paleo Diet idea before going vegan, these videos provide a wide-ranging response to the evolution-inspired rationale for meat eating which so many have uncritically accepted."* Apparently he was never really paleo... He was *almost* seduced by it. The fact he doesn't show himself yet criticizes Loren Cordain for not being lean says enough to me.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on March 04, 2012
at 03:55 PM

There's no way in hell I'm watching more than 1 episode of that. The guy is arrogant. Love how this has been said over and over and over again : paleo may be about re-enactment for some, for us it's just about a whole foods diet fine-tuned to your personal needs. I went vegan, it sucked. Both low-carb and raw veganism are dogmatic for me, both lead to stress, isolation, just feeling bad overall.

81df028433e6bd160fe6130a8b2a4cb2

(100)

on March 04, 2012
at 09:49 AM

HI VB, I have 3 points of comparison, Veggie eating gluten & soy compared to Primal, & Primal compared to Primal Veggie: on the 1st mode of eating I felt steadily worse as the years progressed, as such when I switched to primal I immediately felt a difference for the better, there was less digestive discomfort when I ate initially, however I experienced bouts of acid reflux, severe indigestion & a tendency to 'binge'. Out of all 3, Primal-Veg gives me the most energy, gym performance & leaness & I feel peaceful knowing that nothing's died for my dinner (sorry, again, not preaching! :) Peace X

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on March 04, 2012
at 08:02 AM

I do have a question - please answer: how is your energy now? Do you feel a noticeable difference?

6d06945c5244687be2f6a9ca731b9cc6

(405)

on March 04, 2012
at 05:13 AM

okay, yeah. There's no way in hell I'm watching that entire series.

6d06945c5244687be2f6a9ca731b9cc6

(405)

on March 04, 2012
at 04:47 AM

He follows a plant-based diet supplemented with animal products.

Fb67dc30cead043d1d13ea503a3044dc

(3280)

on March 04, 2012
at 04:45 AM

After telling us we're not Paleo enough because we fail some kind of hardcore re-enactment scenario, you suggest we watch SEVENTY propaganda videos? Amusing.

6d06945c5244687be2f6a9ca731b9cc6

(405)

on March 04, 2012
at 04:45 AM

..But I digress.

6d06945c5244687be2f6a9ca731b9cc6

(405)

on March 04, 2012
at 04:45 AM

With all due respect this line of thinking, to me, indicates a misunderstanding of the concept of evolutionarily-appropriate eating. Most of us are not reenactors and we'll openly admit to not being keen on the idea of eating feces. That's not the point. As many others have here, I've reviewed literally hundreds of papers and studies regarding nutrition and anthropology and base my eating habits on equal parts science, convenience and personal preference. Plant-based is also not vegan, as far as I'm concerned.. I didn't watch the video but that's only because I don't have sound on this PC.

81df028433e6bd160fe6130a8b2a4cb2

(100)

on March 03, 2012
at 09:57 PM

have been causing my lethargy and funny blood :"> Therefore... crap feeling = gluten intolerance, not b12 deficiency & other funny business. Erego = go back to veggie -ve gluten = happy primal veggie :"> Sorry for the waffle-ee-nature of my response but I hope this helps! If more elaboration is needed I'd be happy to oblige :"> Peace Paleo Peeps xXx

81df028433e6bd160fe6130a8b2a4cb2

(100)

on March 03, 2012
at 09:56 PM

where I thought: one of the reasons I turned paleo was because of a Drs visit, where I had suspected b12 deficiency & low white-blood cell count; there was also a strange curiosity that had arisen after being veggie for five years: what would happen if I started eating meat again? When I was veggie before I'd only ever missed poulty, but that was only ever at 'that time of the month' (sorry, TMI). Therefore started eating meat again against my better moral judgement (no preachyness intended) I was diagnosed with a gluten intolerance late last year, and came to the conclusion that that might...

81df028433e6bd160fe6130a8b2a4cb2

(100)

on March 03, 2012
at 09:52 PM

Gosh, Hi everyone! Sorry for the late response! :) @cojadate I'm easy really, Dan said "vegans/vegetarians" in his original post so I thought my viewpoint might prove of interest :"> Everyone else: I eat an abundance of fruits & vegetables, moderate amounts of nuts & seeds, coconut oil, & only really have dairy in my tea & an occasional egg :) I still like to visit Paleohacks because it's a valuable source of information regarding aspects of a primal lifestyle that are not exclusively centered around food :"> I went veggie again mainly upon an 'epiphany' moment... run out of characters...

Fc64db6a555559762432d503a1dbad19

(1478)

on March 03, 2012
at 03:04 AM

I really tried to watch your video before I commented, but found it so boring and arrogant I could not finish it. Was this just a ploy to get us to check out your site? I have been a vegetarian for 20 years and started paleo 6 months ago. I only eat fish, no meat. I think many paleos consume too much meat. It should be once or twice a week at most. I determine what diet I do by how I feel. I felt like crap as a vegetarian and have never felt better on paleo. So there you go no sicence just experience.

E05b8d2c9ae8a9a92341785f342f131d

(346)

on March 02, 2012
at 09:18 PM

Olive oil, palm oil, coconut oil and avocado are all vegan, paleo and high calorie. Also, are we talking vegan or veggie? Eggs and cheese are nutritionally close to meat.

E05b8d2c9ae8a9a92341785f342f131d

(346)

on March 02, 2012
at 09:13 PM

Wasn't the question about vegans rather than vegetarians?

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(1163)

on March 02, 2012
at 07:51 PM

Thanks for that measured and thought-out response, Stabby. "Hypothesis generator"- I like it. @ScientificJournalReview- I view paleo much like Stabby does- an evolutionary framework for a science-based diet. No pond water for me, thanks.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on March 02, 2012
at 07:38 PM

Also most people who say that they are on the "paleo diet" aren't even doing the Cordain or Eaton diet anymore, because some of the assumptions they made were unwarranted. Like you can't exactly pool together macronutrient ratios from hunter-gatherers and decide that such a ratio is best. All you can really do is look at the history of a type of food in the human diet and how it was eaten and get a hypothesis. Paleo diets tend to be mostly for people who don't have time to read endless hours of science but want something that is time-tested. Im not paleo per se, but it is a good starting point

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on March 02, 2012
at 07:34 PM

generator, and open to refinement. If anybody actually did what you describe then they didn't really understand the paleo diet to begin with.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on March 02, 2012
at 07:31 PM

"Paleolithic caveman never ate it, so grassfed angus beef is not paleo and you can't say you're paleo if you eat it, but most paleos don't know it" (and the rest of that gigantic block of text). I'm pretty sure that most people who eat a "paleo diet" aren't trying to pursue a "true paleo diet" as you describe it. The paleo diet concept as it is a modern dietary trend has to do with basic food type eaten during the bulk of human evolution, noting that these types of foods are what we are most likely to be adapted to eat due to selection pressure time. It is above all a hypothesis...

Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

(8574)

on March 02, 2012
at 06:20 PM

I'm currently on a 3:2:6 ratio and almost never hit my nutrition targets. When I have a chance I would like to read some articles on vegan body-building just to see the amount of material they must eat.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on March 02, 2012
at 06:11 PM

Exactly, Mash. That's the biggest problem, really. You have to eat tons of fruit. Basically you need a vitamix, lots of money and lots of time. And you need to live in a sunny climate if you don't supplement vitamin D.

F92e4ca55291c3f3096a3d4d3d854986

(11698)

on March 02, 2012
at 05:44 PM

Wondering what's the appeal for you of visiting this site, in that case. Just curious. Also curious of why you went veggie again and how you feel on each diet.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on March 02, 2012
at 05:18 PM

"At the risk of making myself rather un-popular" this website is open-minded, Prudence. I actually respect this very much : I would never be able to go vegetarian anymore!

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on March 02, 2012
at 05:15 PM

Woops. I'm slow. Why did he change his mind again?

03bb06ced2ae02a265909342d4cf3e75

(793)

on March 02, 2012
at 05:14 PM

Prudence - I'd be really interested to hear why you went back to being veggie.

07243c7700483a67386049f7b67d90a4

on March 02, 2012
at 05:08 PM

Any interesting insights garnered from this transition ?

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on March 02, 2012
at 04:57 PM

Castle Grok isn't vegan anymore.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on March 02, 2012
at 04:33 PM

I never browsed through 30bananasaday. People there are so closed-minded! Really a shame, since we're all trying to achieve the same thing.

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(1652)

on March 02, 2012
at 03:57 PM

i believe someone went from paleohacks to here: http://www.30bananasaday.com/ but this predated my foray into paleohacks. ;-)

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Ca1150430b1904659742ce2cad621c7d

(12540)

on March 02, 2012
at 05:19 PM

I'm a seasonal eater -- so in past years, I've eaten a primarily vegetarian diet 3-4 months of the year (summer season here, where it's hot and where meat is still in the 'growing' phase and all the early spring 'cull' meat has been consumed). I find that it's completely in line with primal principles to eat according to both season and activity level. It's VERY hot here during the summer, and nobody moves much, except for the occasional dip in something watery, so we eat accordingly.

I spent time as a vegan when I was younger, and it didn't really work out well for me -- but that doesn't mean that my body doesn't respond well to PERIODS of vegetarianism/veganism. It's a nice break from the heavy winter options.

As I've mentioned in a couple of earlier posts/responses, I've had some issues towards the end of this past winter season, and I spoke with the neurologist that I've been working with for 4 years in managing my neurodegenerative congenital disorder -- I told him I was thinking about a couple of months of raw vegan to clean things up, and he thought it might just be what I need at this point to switch things around for the better... so there ya go. Maybe it doesn't have to be one or the other.

Afdf5873a082cd806c4d15c456f3614f

(336)

on July 03, 2012
at 05:00 PM

Totally agree! I personally have found a huge benefit in eating vegan/raw for a periods...I don't think meat all the time is necessary or beneficial.

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81df028433e6bd160fe6130a8b2a4cb2

on March 02, 2012
at 04:58 PM

Hi Dan,

At the risk of making myself rather un-popular, I'm one of them. Primal-veggie at your service. I was a vegetarian for about five years, primal for about one year, and I'm now veggie again. Is yours a leading question? Have you been considering going vegetarian or are you just curious to see who/why might have altered their eating habits this way?

Cheers, Prudence X

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on March 02, 2012
at 05:18 PM

"At the risk of making myself rather un-popular" this website is open-minded, Prudence. I actually respect this very much : I would never be able to go vegetarian anymore!

E05b8d2c9ae8a9a92341785f342f131d

(346)

on March 02, 2012
at 09:13 PM

Wasn't the question about vegans rather than vegetarians?

F92e4ca55291c3f3096a3d4d3d854986

(11698)

on March 02, 2012
at 05:44 PM

Wondering what's the appeal for you of visiting this site, in that case. Just curious. Also curious of why you went veggie again and how you feel on each diet.

07243c7700483a67386049f7b67d90a4

on March 02, 2012
at 05:08 PM

Any interesting insights garnered from this transition ?

03bb06ced2ae02a265909342d4cf3e75

(793)

on March 02, 2012
at 05:14 PM

Prudence - I'd be really interested to hear why you went back to being veggie.

81df028433e6bd160fe6130a8b2a4cb2

(100)

on March 03, 2012
at 09:57 PM

have been causing my lethargy and funny blood :"> Therefore... crap feeling = gluten intolerance, not b12 deficiency & other funny business. Erego = go back to veggie -ve gluten = happy primal veggie :"> Sorry for the waffle-ee-nature of my response but I hope this helps! If more elaboration is needed I'd be happy to oblige :"> Peace Paleo Peeps xXx

81df028433e6bd160fe6130a8b2a4cb2

(100)

on March 03, 2012
at 09:56 PM

where I thought: one of the reasons I turned paleo was because of a Drs visit, where I had suspected b12 deficiency & low white-blood cell count; there was also a strange curiosity that had arisen after being veggie for five years: what would happen if I started eating meat again? When I was veggie before I'd only ever missed poulty, but that was only ever at 'that time of the month' (sorry, TMI). Therefore started eating meat again against my better moral judgement (no preachyness intended) I was diagnosed with a gluten intolerance late last year, and came to the conclusion that that might...

81df028433e6bd160fe6130a8b2a4cb2

(100)

on March 04, 2012
at 09:49 AM

HI VB, I have 3 points of comparison, Veggie eating gluten & soy compared to Primal, & Primal compared to Primal Veggie: on the 1st mode of eating I felt steadily worse as the years progressed, as such when I switched to primal I immediately felt a difference for the better, there was less digestive discomfort when I ate initially, however I experienced bouts of acid reflux, severe indigestion & a tendency to 'binge'. Out of all 3, Primal-Veg gives me the most energy, gym performance & leaness & I feel peaceful knowing that nothing's died for my dinner (sorry, again, not preaching! :) Peace X

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on March 04, 2012
at 08:02 AM

I do have a question - please answer: how is your energy now? Do you feel a noticeable difference?

81df028433e6bd160fe6130a8b2a4cb2

(100)

on March 03, 2012
at 09:52 PM

Gosh, Hi everyone! Sorry for the late response! :) @cojadate I'm easy really, Dan said "vegans/vegetarians" in his original post so I thought my viewpoint might prove of interest :"> Everyone else: I eat an abundance of fruits & vegetables, moderate amounts of nuts & seeds, coconut oil, & only really have dairy in my tea & an occasional egg :) I still like to visit Paleohacks because it's a valuable source of information regarding aspects of a primal lifestyle that are not exclusively centered around food :"> I went veggie again mainly upon an 'epiphany' moment... run out of characters...

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on March 09, 2012
at 08:00 PM

Thanks and keep me updated! :)

Cccb899526fb5908f64176e0a74ed2d9

(2801)

on May 05, 2012
at 08:08 PM

Are you eating more carbohydrate as a Primal-Veggie than you were as a meat-eater? I would be curious if you maintained or even experienced increased energy with a re-introduction of animal flesh while maintaining your current carb intake.

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B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on March 02, 2012
at 04:17 PM

Castle Grok went vegan for a while after being paleo. Don Matesz also comes pretty close...

There's a thread on 30bananasaday about this, but the only person who said they transitioned from paleo to vegan said they never tried it for a long time. She said she was thirsty and was constipated. Probably an excess of muscle meat, if you ask me. High protein does this to me.

Please don't make me go back to 30bananasaday though :D! I have a hard time not creating an account and responding to all those weird threads!

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on March 02, 2012
at 04:33 PM

I never browsed through 30bananasaday. People there are so closed-minded! Really a shame, since we're all trying to achieve the same thing.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on March 02, 2012
at 04:57 PM

Castle Grok isn't vegan anymore.

6d06945c5244687be2f6a9ca731b9cc6

(405)

on March 04, 2012
at 04:47 AM

He follows a plant-based diet supplemented with animal products.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on March 02, 2012
at 05:15 PM

Woops. I'm slow. Why did he change his mind again?

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on March 04, 2012
at 04:05 PM

So it sounds like a paleo diet...

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Dd6d2c090d47c2045d4086e94e36f1da

on June 03, 2012
at 01:31 AM

Ex-Paleo here. I was lowcarb paleo (back when it was called Atkins... I was a "clean" atkins eater) and raised my carbs and did moderate carb paleo for 2yrs. I gained 50lbs and a host of health issues. I was also very outspoken in my low-carb dogma... and then paleo dogma. I read every book and studied nutrition like it was my JOB! I did not cheat and got tired of everyone telling me I just wasn't doing it right! I left quietly because I already knew how people would attack me. I left Facebook and went on living my own life. I have been Vegan for almost 4 months, mostly LFRV for about the last month. I have lost 14lbs and am in a heavy detox period, but I still feel SO much better than I have in the last 4yrs! I was unable to walk well due to inflammation and pain in my hip and that ceased about a month ago. I don't know how long I will stay raw, or if I will later settle into a high raw/vegan way of eating... but I do know that I will follow my own intuition now instead of any person, book, philosophy or guru.

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11b7b7ba720a5cd43c74a0ef99a16adb

(3448)

on March 02, 2012
at 05:13 PM

People switch diets when their current regime fails them.

The stories of people that failed on a vegan diet are legion. They didn't get the results they wanted, or they just didn't feel as healthy as they thought they should. Google "failed vegan diet" and you get pages of stories about people having problems with a vegan diet and eventually abandoning it.

There doesn't seem to be that many examples of people failing on paleo and abandoning it. Google "failed paleo diet" and most of the stories are about people that failed at other diets, then finally found some success with paleo.

Paleo, as a modern diet regime, is young compared to other diet regimes, so maybe it just hasn't had time to rack up the tons of failures other diet plans have. Or, maybe paleo works so effectively people don't abandon it for another plan. Only time will tell.

But, you never see stories like this with paleo: http://voraciouseats.com/2010/11/19/a-vegan-no-more/

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Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

(8574)

on March 02, 2012
at 06:05 PM

Honestly I just don't know how I would get enough calories in going vegetarian? The only thing would be having to shovel down potatoes and I love eating low-carb, never felt so good in 30 years. Not sure how it works with protein consumption if you don't eat beans, legumes, soy.

How do you get enough without resorting to supplements?

Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

(8574)

on March 02, 2012
at 06:20 PM

I'm currently on a 3:2:6 ratio and almost never hit my nutrition targets. When I have a chance I would like to read some articles on vegan body-building just to see the amount of material they must eat.

E05b8d2c9ae8a9a92341785f342f131d

(346)

on March 02, 2012
at 09:18 PM

Olive oil, palm oil, coconut oil and avocado are all vegan, paleo and high calorie. Also, are we talking vegan or veggie? Eggs and cheese are nutritionally close to meat.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on March 02, 2012
at 06:11 PM

Exactly, Mash. That's the biggest problem, really. You have to eat tons of fruit. Basically you need a vitamix, lots of money and lots of time. And you need to live in a sunny climate if you don't supplement vitamin D.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on March 04, 2012
at 04:40 PM

Traditionally prepared legumes aren't all that bad.

1
Dc77df0e0b3a7643c94ce84eb0ae1fb4

on March 02, 2012
at 04:00 PM

never heard of it here anyway, cos that would just be stupid

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192a2d6a31fe367deb913ccaa2c97460

on July 25, 2014
at 04:23 PM

I am a paleo to vegan convert. I never ever expected it to happen since I had been eating strict paleo for 2 years, but i actually came across a post on paleohacks making fun of this woman and for some reason... i decided to make a switch !!! I went high carb mostly raw vegan and unlimited calories (omg) after eating high fat high protein on paleo- and here i am a year and a half later FINALLY super lean without acne and with lots of energy and new fitness gains. I kept waiting for all that to happen for me on paleo but it never did. in the first week a huge amount of mucus left my body and i have been feeling lighter leaner and more mentally alert since. I thought paleo was working for me until i tried something else. I think paleo can work for people, but if you haven't been reaching your goals i would say try something else even for just a month! it might change your life

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96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19463)

on July 27, 2014
at 03:06 PM

You're repeating yourself, copypasta accident, or are you a bot?

Also switching your diet for political reasons smacks of Lysenkoism, and will likely produce similar results.

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(925)

on May 05, 2012
at 11:16 AM

I was a vegetarian for 13 years, even a vegan for a bit and tried being a raw foodie too (you have to eat WAY too much to maintain that). After we started raising our own animals I started eating them. My reasons for being vegetarian were mainly based on being opposed to factory-farming, use of antibiotics and hormones, etc. That said, even though i eat meat now, I probably don't eat near as much as someone who is very paleo. My husband has been out of the country for a couple weeks and I have managed to eat a piece of fish (local fish) and cooked a chicken, but left to my own devices I am still a veggie at heart.

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028e70a250f38bd61fa81b0e0789bb6e

on March 05, 2012
at 12:51 AM

Depends on what you are talking about. Usually, paleo implies very open minded, self-correcting, recognizing everybody's different, non-dogmatic and etc. Militant vegan is usually the opposite. I doubt people can shift from this paleo mindset to the militant vegan mindset.

Now, as a dietary choice is entirely possible. There are people whose bodies fit a higher carb, near-vegan diet. There are people who recognize the benefit of paleo diet but choose to go vegan for the animals. That's entirely possible.

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24df4e0d0e7ce98963d4641fae1a60e5

on March 04, 2012
at 03:38 PM

Don Matesz seems to be doing a good impression of one!

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on March 02, 2012
at 05:07 PM

Any interesting insights garnered from this transition ?

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A4f9da7d094aa72508853588682b65f7

(268)

on August 08, 2013
at 09:37 PM

Yes, me. As a 50+ woman who tried every version of paleo from primal to zero carb and everything in between, who read GCBC, mark Sissons books, Life Without Bread etc etc, and who still could not lose weight, who felt sick and ill and who tried for almost 3 years....so don't say I didn't give it long enough!

I eventually, through desperation tried the china study way of eating. Yes I have read and re read Denise mingers rebuttal.

I have lost 80kg, regained my health, and taken up running.

I was a member here for years but I forgot my login.

Enough said

089dd41b18fbb95ebb5347cded708d98

(5635)

on August 09, 2013
at 12:06 AM

at least you gave it a good shot, kit!!! that's all you can do.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on March 02, 2012
at 06:54 PM

Q: "We frequently hear about vegans/vegetarians converting to a paleo-like lifestyle. My question: has anyone ever heard of the opposite occurring?" ANSWER: YES.

YES. MANY FORMER PALEOS ARE MOVING ONWARD TO VEGETARIANISM & VEGANISM

There are perhaps an even larger amount of people who have renounced paleo, and gone on to vegetarianism or veganism instead. Usually they do this after learning that "The Paleo Diet" is not actually what paleolithic man actually ate at all (for example, grassfed angus beef isn't paleo, it was only genetically bred artificially by mankind in the 1800's, so Paleolithic caveman never ate it, so grassfed angus beef is not paleo and you can't say you're paleo if you eat it, but most paleos don't know it. yet. - And ladies, to be paleo, you'll need to introduce more Maggots into your meat dinners because stoneage man in the heat of the African sahara desert didn't have Stainless Steel fridges so the meat most-likely would be writing with magots, so to actually paleo you'll need to add more maggots into your dinners. Oh, and to be paleo, naturally you can't drink water from the tap in your house, you'll need to go OUTSIDE and drink out of an animal watering hole that animals bathed in, and perhaps with a few feces floating in it, because that's what our ancestors did for thousands of years. And no bottled water, of purified, or treated. So if you have a child, you'll want to obtain some pond water and feed that to your baby, or child, even though it may potentially give you, your family, or child cryptosporidia bacteria. But being 'paleo' you'll of course believe that it will not infect you because naturally you're "designed" for it, and you 'evolved' to eat paleo style meals which include cryptosporidia, botfly maggots, and feces. Because that's what a true paleo diet would consist of.) So when the few more scientifically-oriented people find out paleo is not based on facts or science, and is just a diet book, that's when they reject paleo and move to something more sound and based on medical science. However, those people who don't know this yet, usually still 'believe' in paleo and still argue for it and will even vehemently defend it as being 'true' and 'fact' and 'based on science', until they learn that it's not. Some may never learn and still 'fight' for it, but most will avoid it once they find out it's not factual.

HERE is a notable example of a REFORMED PALEO DIETER renouncing the paleo diet and moving up to VEGETARIAN & VEGAN INSTEAD:

LOOK: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egqf7k5Lzhk +

(Watch the video before you respond or begin typing a reply. There's actually a few videos in the sequence. You should view it 1st before you make a reply so that you don't post something about paleo that's been debunked already. Actually you might want to view them ALL, in case you are attempting to deny or debunk any of it. A reply without seeing it 1st will simply lack important information.)

Also, you will now find large volumes of increasing search results now showing up all over the place with the words "PaleoVegan" or "Paleo Vegan", "Paleo Vegetarian" and "Paleo-Vegan", which are combined numbers of vegans now co-opting and taking over the word Paleo in order to improve on it and take it to the next stage, plus former reformed paleos who have moved on to a more scientifically robust plant-based diet instead.

THE 1ST OF MULTIPLE VIDEOS EXPLAINING THE FACTS BEHIND THE PALEO DIET:

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Ee70ee808f748374744404a00e1c22ed

(1163)

on March 02, 2012
at 07:51 PM

Thanks for that measured and thought-out response, Stabby. "Hypothesis generator"- I like it. @ScientificJournalReview- I view paleo much like Stabby does- an evolutionary framework for a science-based diet. No pond water for me, thanks.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on March 02, 2012
at 07:38 PM

Also most people who say that they are on the "paleo diet" aren't even doing the Cordain or Eaton diet anymore, because some of the assumptions they made were unwarranted. Like you can't exactly pool together macronutrient ratios from hunter-gatherers and decide that such a ratio is best. All you can really do is look at the history of a type of food in the human diet and how it was eaten and get a hypothesis. Paleo diets tend to be mostly for people who don't have time to read endless hours of science but want something that is time-tested. Im not paleo per se, but it is a good starting point

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on March 02, 2012
at 07:31 PM

"Paleolithic caveman never ate it, so grassfed angus beef is not paleo and you can't say you're paleo if you eat it, but most paleos don't know it" (and the rest of that gigantic block of text). I'm pretty sure that most people who eat a "paleo diet" aren't trying to pursue a "true paleo diet" as you describe it. The paleo diet concept as it is a modern dietary trend has to do with basic food type eaten during the bulk of human evolution, noting that these types of foods are what we are most likely to be adapted to eat due to selection pressure time. It is above all a hypothesis...

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on March 02, 2012
at 07:34 PM

generator, and open to refinement. If anybody actually did what you describe then they didn't really understand the paleo diet to begin with.

Fc64db6a555559762432d503a1dbad19

(1478)

on March 03, 2012
at 03:04 AM

I really tried to watch your video before I commented, but found it so boring and arrogant I could not finish it. Was this just a ploy to get us to check out your site? I have been a vegetarian for 20 years and started paleo 6 months ago. I only eat fish, no meat. I think many paleos consume too much meat. It should be once or twice a week at most. I determine what diet I do by how I feel. I felt like crap as a vegetarian and have never felt better on paleo. So there you go no sicence just experience.

C6032b723b12cf0073ec6d22c5f4e7ae

on July 29, 2014
at 02:32 AM

Boo this. On the reals.

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0d59bbc7c53f8df3498ed6d9dab0ba42

on March 04, 2012
at 04:24 AM

Q: "We frequently hear about vegans/vegetarians converting to a paleo-like lifestyle. My question: has anyone ever heard of the opposite occurring?" ANSWER: YES.

YES. MANY FORMER PALEOS ARE MOVING ONWARD TO VEGETARIANISM & VEGANISM

There are perhaps an even larger amount of people who have renounced paleo, and gone on to vegetarianism or veganism instead. Usually they do this after learning that "The Paleo Diet" is not actually what paleolithic man actually ate at all (for example, grassfed angus beef isn't paleo, it was only genetically bred artificially by mankind in the 1800's, so Paleolithic caveman never ate it, so grassfed angus beef is not paleo and you can't say you're paleo if you eat it, but most paleos don't know it. yet. - And ladies, to be paleo, you'll need to introduce more Maggots into your meat dinners because stoneage man in the heat of the African sahara desert didn't have Stainless Steel fridges so the meat most-likely would be writing with magots, so to actually paleo you'll need to add more maggots into your dinners. Oh, and to be paleo, naturally you can't drink water from the tap in your house, you'll need to go OUTSIDE and drink out of an animal watering hole that animals bathed in, and perhaps with a few feces floating in it, because that's what our ancestors did for thousands of years. And no bottled water, of purified, or treated. So if you have a child, you'll want to obtain some pond water and feed that to your baby, or child, even though it may potentially give you, your family, or child cryptosporidia bacteria. But being 'paleo' you'll of course believe that it will not infect you because naturally you're "designed" for it, and you 'evolved' to eat paleo style meals which include cryptosporidia, botfly maggots, and feces. Because that's what a true paleo diet would consist of.) So when the few more scientifically-oriented people find out paleo is not based on facts or science, and is just a diet book, that's when they reject paleo and move to something more sound and based on medical science. However, those people who don't know this yet, usually still 'believe' in paleo and still argue for it and will even vehemently defend it as being 'true' and 'fact' and 'based on science', until they learn that it's not. Some may never learn and still 'fight' for it, but most will avoid it once they find out it's not factual.

HERE is a notable example of a REFORMED PALEO DIETER renouncing the paleo diet and moving up to VEGETARIAN & VEGAN INSTEAD:

LOOK: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egqf7k5Lzhk +

Also, you will now find large volumes of increasing search results now showing up all over the place with the words "PaleoVegan" or "Paleo Vegan", "Paleo Vegetarian" and "Paleo-Vegan", which are combined numbers of vegans now co-opting and taking over the word Paleo in order to improve on it and take it to the next stage, plus former reformed paleos who have moved on to a more scientifically robust plant-based diet instead.

Before you respond or begin typing a reply, Watch the video. There's actually a few videos in the sequence.

You should view it 1st before you make a reply so that you don't post something about paleo that's been debunked already. Actually you might want to view all 70, in case you are attempting to deny or debunk any of it. A reply without seeing it 1st will simply lack important information.

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Fb67dc30cead043d1d13ea503a3044dc

(3280)

on March 04, 2012
at 04:45 AM

After telling us we're not Paleo enough because we fail some kind of hardcore re-enactment scenario, you suggest we watch SEVENTY propaganda videos? Amusing.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on March 04, 2012
at 03:55 PM

There's no way in hell I'm watching more than 1 episode of that. The guy is arrogant. Love how this has been said over and over and over again : paleo may be about re-enactment for some, for us it's just about a whole foods diet fine-tuned to your personal needs. I went vegan, it sucked. Both low-carb and raw veganism are dogmatic for me, both lead to stress, isolation, just feeling bad overall.

87b7d250ea30415ed4c1afd809f4053f

(968)

on March 04, 2012
at 05:05 PM

Um, I recall the dude from freetheanimal.com mentioning a hardcore vegan posting 70 something anti paleo videos on utube all in one hit, I guess that was you. Wow, that's a weird thing to do.

6d06945c5244687be2f6a9ca731b9cc6

(405)

on March 04, 2012
at 05:13 AM

okay, yeah. There's no way in hell I'm watching that entire series.

4303a65967884e68bfae59817c227351

(1881)

on March 05, 2012
at 01:09 PM

No offense, but the sheer simplicity of the google search shows that there's no way more paleo to vegan converts than vegan to paleo. Unless they are so ashamed they don't post about it on the net, which I guess is possible. But come on, that's a pretty tough one to try and believe.

6d06945c5244687be2f6a9ca731b9cc6

(405)

on March 04, 2012
at 04:45 AM

..But I digress.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on March 04, 2012
at 03:58 PM

*"Created by someone who was nearly seduced by the Paleo Diet idea before going vegan, these videos provide a wide-ranging response to the evolution-inspired rationale for meat eating which so many have uncritically accepted."* Apparently he was never really paleo... He was *almost* seduced by it. The fact he doesn't show himself yet criticizes Loren Cordain for not being lean says enough to me.

6d06945c5244687be2f6a9ca731b9cc6

(405)

on March 04, 2012
at 04:45 AM

With all due respect this line of thinking, to me, indicates a misunderstanding of the concept of evolutionarily-appropriate eating. Most of us are not reenactors and we'll openly admit to not being keen on the idea of eating feces. That's not the point. As many others have here, I've reviewed literally hundreds of papers and studies regarding nutrition and anthropology and base my eating habits on equal parts science, convenience and personal preference. Plant-based is also not vegan, as far as I'm concerned.. I didn't watch the video but that's only because I don't have sound on this PC.

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