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Paleo Standards?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created July 22, 2012 at 7:52 PM

What, in your opinion, is the basic standard paleo way of eating? It used to mean: no grains, no dairy, no sugar, no soy, no white potatoes, no GMOs, no beans, responsibly-raised and humanely as possible culled meat. The basis was vegetables and meat, limited fruit. I try to stick to this as ideal. Is this still your ideal of paleo? Why or why not?

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

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on July 23, 2012
at 01:16 PM

I have no idea what one is, although it sounds horrifying. A poster mentioned one in a separate thread and wondered if it had made him feel bad.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

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on July 23, 2012
at 04:31 AM

I like your alphabetical grading system! +1

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

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on July 23, 2012
at 04:31 AM

That's why I don't call my eating Paleo - I say Primal, because I am lucky enough to be lactose tolerant. The other stuff I stick with pretty well, at least 85/15 if not better (I haven't done the math in a bit).

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

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on July 23, 2012
at 03:21 AM

Lol. I am still somewhat curious what the heck a flapjack mars bar cake even is...It sounds a bit like a complicated dance move.

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

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on July 23, 2012
at 12:58 AM

Soon we'll be seeing a massive backlash against paleo eating because a lot of these folks are going to fail to lose weight, fail to get healthier, and become totally disillusioned, while in total denial that the corn, honey when ever you want it, beans and and 15% cheat with the flapjack mar's bar cake had anything to do with it.

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

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on July 23, 2012
at 12:53 AM

IMO it's magical thinking. People do paleo now that it's the trendy healthy thing. But they still want to eat their favorite goodies, so they look for someone to give permission and stretch the definition. If one or more people on an internet board say it's ok with paleo, it must be ok. They believe that so long as they can say that they're eating paleo they'll get the health rewards. .... Off to wave my paleo wand over some funnel cakes and flapjack mar's bar cakes.

26b0f1261d1a0d916825bd0deeb96a21

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on July 23, 2012
at 12:14 AM

It seems that all that people really want is a justification for eating junk. Why bother with paleo? Why not just continue eating junk? It's no skin off my teeth!

26b0f1261d1a0d916825bd0deeb96a21

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on July 23, 2012
at 12:03 AM

And, I've earned two down-votes for saying that tortillas are bad and you shouldn't eat them weekly. Not that "down-votes" mean a rat's-butt in Hell, but what gives? Is regular consumption of grains now okay? I'm I crazy?

41dfb1a4fecb38d24075ff52f13ccb28

on July 22, 2012
at 10:30 PM

Uhm, yeah, that sounds pretty close to what I eat. But add in coffee.

26b0f1261d1a0d916825bd0deeb96a21

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on July 22, 2012
at 10:14 PM

I think that that's why it has been adapted and changed by many, although, eating meat with naturally occurring fat and veggies still seems to work for many people.

07c86972a3bea0b0dc17752e9d2f5642

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on July 22, 2012
at 10:09 PM

I do find it interesting that the Paleo diet originally was lean meats and low calorie vegetables, because I really can't imagine a less paleolithic whole foods diet in real life. Humans are driven to eat fat and starch (plant "fat"), I think for good reason. Our bodies need it. Old school Paleo is a lot like CW minus the whole grain bread and low fat cheese.

26b0f1261d1a0d916825bd0deeb96a21

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on July 22, 2012
at 09:28 PM

NO DAIRY and NO PROCESSED FOODS. Paleo was originally limited added fat, except from naturally occurring sources, even then, limited.

07c86972a3bea0b0dc17752e9d2f5642

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on July 22, 2012
at 09:23 PM

Paleo gurus generally approve of processed fats such as butter, coconut oil, olive oil, macadamia oil, bacon grease and ghee which are used in salad dressings or vegetable sauces. Lots of people say they eat their veggies with vast quantities of butter or coconut oil.

26b0f1261d1a0d916825bd0deeb96a21

(5798)

on July 22, 2012
at 09:18 PM

Somehow, I doubt it, lol!

26b0f1261d1a0d916825bd0deeb96a21

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on July 22, 2012
at 09:15 PM

Where did you get the idea that paleo endorses salads drenched in processed fat?

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on July 22, 2012
at 09:15 PM

Maybe they are too busy hunting or gathering right now, and don't have access to the internet.

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on July 22, 2012
at 09:03 PM

Because what you call "straight paleo" meaning no deviation from the rules in a book someone once wrote is hard. We need to take people where we find them and if telling someone to go ahead and enjoy that corn at the party on Saturday is going to help them along their path then I fully support it. I agree that everyone should try a 30 day something or other but I don't think that's wise for most just starting out. Too much restriction and there is a strong reaction in the other direction. Way too much diet mentality to be good for most IMO.

26b0f1261d1a0d916825bd0deeb96a21

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on July 22, 2012
at 08:41 PM

I realize that most paleohackers won't answer this, because they've either: left paleohacks already, haven't a clue what I mean by old-school, or have such a deviated from the original version that they are scared to share. Don't be scared to share!

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on July 22, 2012
at 08:28 PM

I put honey in the A foods list, but it should probably be something that makes up <20% of yearly calories, unless you are trying to reenact life as a Hadza hunter gatherer, which, even then...

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on July 22, 2012
at 08:01 PM

good answer .

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1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

on July 22, 2012
at 08:00 PM

My idea of paleo is high food quality (organic produce, grass fed/wild/free range meat and fish).

A Food List (80+% of calories):

  • meat, fish, eggs
  • green, leafy vegetables
  • roots/tubers
  • fruit
  • honey
  • herbs/spices are okay, as are nightshades, if tolerated.

B + C Food List (<20% of calories):

  • B: traditional fats: coconut oil, olive oil, palm oil, butter/ghee, I guess you could include whole nuts/seeds here too
  • C: fermented dairy products: yogurt, kefir, etc.

Exceptions I personally (make up way less than 20% of calories)

  • coffee, tea, beer, wine, alcohol, dark chocolate

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1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on July 22, 2012
at 08:28 PM

I put honey in the A foods list, but it should probably be something that makes up <20% of yearly calories, unless you are trying to reenact life as a Hadza hunter gatherer, which, even then...

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10480)

on July 23, 2012
at 04:31 AM

I like your alphabetical grading system! +1

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5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

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on July 22, 2012
at 07:57 PM

Yes. Because it works for me. I sometimes wonder how many of the people who favor piles of exceptions have tried straight paleo. I think everyone would benefit from doing a W30 or Robb Wolfs 30 day challenge to find out.

I'm concerned that many people new to paleo see all the "it's ok to eat xxx" and never realize they should try out a true paleo diet.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on July 22, 2012
at 08:01 PM

good answer .

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on July 22, 2012
at 09:03 PM

Because what you call "straight paleo" meaning no deviation from the rules in a book someone once wrote is hard. We need to take people where we find them and if telling someone to go ahead and enjoy that corn at the party on Saturday is going to help them along their path then I fully support it. I agree that everyone should try a 30 day something or other but I don't think that's wise for most just starting out. Too much restriction and there is a strong reaction in the other direction. Way too much diet mentality to be good for most IMO.

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61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

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on July 23, 2012
at 05:14 AM

When it comes to eating Primal (paleo+dairy) I think I am pretty compliant in what I eat on a regular or semi-weekly basis, with the exception of a little dark chocolate, coffee, and depending on your opinion, potatoes. My cheats are still generally quality foods, just not Primal. I recognize that not everyone can tolerate dairy and that I'm lucky to be able to, and I would encourage anyone to take it out of their diet for at least 30 days to see how it works for them.

What I eat regularly:
All manner of animals; ruminants, poultry, pork, all seafood that I like.
Animal fats such as bacon grease, butter, schmaltz and lard when I can get them. Also olive oil. I don't generally add fat to vegetables except to raw leafy salads which I dress with olive oil, S&P, and red wine or balsamic vinegar.
Eggs. I have loved them ever since I was a kid. Usually fried in bacon dripping, sometimes poached or hard-boiled, occasionally scrambled.
All sorts of vegetables, lots of broccoli, tomatoes, avocado, kale, collards, cucumbers, black olives, every lettuce I can think of at the grocery store (except iceberg) and when in season heirlooms from my garden.
Full-fat dairy products including homemade greek yogurt.
Lots of hot peppers, garlic, basil and other herbs/spices.
Hibiscus iced tea. Love the stuff and it is much better Primal-wise than sweet tea.
Lacto-fermented veggies. Sauerkraut, spicy green tomatoes and cauliflower, garlic dill pickles.

A few times a week:
Fruits. Any kind I like. I don't stress about it, as I am not trying to lose weight and I don't find myself having crazy sugar cravings.
Potatoes. Always without peel. I wish I liked sweet potatoes, but I just don't. I realize that some consider this a big ole cheat and I respect that.
A few cashews.
A square or two of dark chocolate. Recognized as a cheat.
Coffee. Recognized as a cheat but doesn't seem to be one that most people have a problem with.

A few times a month, recognized as cheats:
White rice. Usually with sushi or other seafood.
Rice noodles. Love me some pho and basil spring rolls.
Beans. This is my main non-Paleo craving. Usually bacon-enhanced pintos, a chorizo black bean soup, or cannellini beans in my chicken and kale soup.
Sweet tea. Less often than the above cheats, but more often than the below cheats. I am a Southerner and this is non-negotiable.

A few times a year, cheats for sure:
Gourmet breads, usually rye-pumpernickel swirl as a vehicle for grilled cheese or Reubens. I have no desire for white bread. I know how bad this is and it always gives me trouble but a few times a year I can deal with the rash and the digestive upset.
Hot wings. No idea what kind of nasty oil they're cooked in, but once in a while I try and forget about the oil and just focus on the spicy crispy chicken bits.

Never ever ever:
Junk food that is bad even by SAD ideals like Cheetos, Bugles, Big Macs, Snickers, Oreos, etc.
Non-fermented soy.
Vegetable oils (at home, and out to eat except for above exception).
High fructose corn syrup.
Artificial sweetners.

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C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on July 22, 2012
at 08:06 PM

The majority of my food consists of organic happy animals and fish, and a wide variety of vegetables, with as much as possible being organic and/or local. I also cook with butter and coconut oil. I do sweet potatoes, but almost never white potatoes. I do heavy cream in my coffee, and occasional use heavy cream in cooking or whipping for a dessert. I probably average about 5 servings of fruit per week.

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07c86972a3bea0b0dc17752e9d2f5642

on July 22, 2012
at 09:09 PM

I think the idea that agricultural products like edible lettuces and low carb vegetables are "paleo", while starchy roots and tubers and high fruit consumption isn't, is a bit strange. I don't really imagine our ancestors sitting down to a "big ass salad" drowned in processed fat. Why would they eat such low calorie food anyway? (Not that they even had access to edible raw vegetables like that, that took generations of selective breeding)

I think meat, organs, fish, bugs, eggs, roots/tubers, fruits and the odd nuts and honey is probably as close as it gets. Not that I have anything against salads, or any other "neolithic" wholesome foodstuff. I love goat cheese after all. I try to make most of my diet meat, eggs, fish, broth, roots/tubers and fruit and it feels great! (I have issues with organs and bugs. Maybe someday...)

26b0f1261d1a0d916825bd0deeb96a21

(5798)

on July 22, 2012
at 09:15 PM

Where did you get the idea that paleo endorses salads drenched in processed fat?

07c86972a3bea0b0dc17752e9d2f5642

(3162)

on July 22, 2012
at 09:23 PM

Paleo gurus generally approve of processed fats such as butter, coconut oil, olive oil, macadamia oil, bacon grease and ghee which are used in salad dressings or vegetable sauces. Lots of people say they eat their veggies with vast quantities of butter or coconut oil.

26b0f1261d1a0d916825bd0deeb96a21

(5798)

on July 22, 2012
at 09:28 PM

NO DAIRY and NO PROCESSED FOODS. Paleo was originally limited added fat, except from naturally occurring sources, even then, limited.

07c86972a3bea0b0dc17752e9d2f5642

(3162)

on July 22, 2012
at 10:09 PM

I do find it interesting that the Paleo diet originally was lean meats and low calorie vegetables, because I really can't imagine a less paleolithic whole foods diet in real life. Humans are driven to eat fat and starch (plant "fat"), I think for good reason. Our bodies need it. Old school Paleo is a lot like CW minus the whole grain bread and low fat cheese.

26b0f1261d1a0d916825bd0deeb96a21

(5798)

on July 22, 2012
at 10:14 PM

I think that that's why it has been adapted and changed by many, although, eating meat with naturally occurring fat and veggies still seems to work for many people.

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