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paleo diet for kosher people

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created December 07, 2012 at 10:47 PM

Hi all,

I just started Paleo after 2 1/2 yrs vegetarian/vegan. It has been easy due to the fact that i was already gluten and dairy free. The grain free hasn't been too bad either. my question is "why am i so tired all the time now?" It has been like 4 days and i feel so lethargic. I read an earlier answer to almost the same question and the answer suggested she eat more fat. I am Kosher, it is biblically not allowed to eat fat, so i will not do it. i do eat plenty of fruit and vegetables. Any suggestions?

thanks, Aurora

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on December 12, 2012
at 06:47 PM

lol thanks, I didn't grow up jewish. i just believe in keeping Torah as best I can and in Yeshua our messiah. so i wouldn't have grown up with those reciepes. but i will look more into this and will try the broth. going from being vegan to paleo is still a little scary for me. especially because im not able to eat hormone/antibiotic free met yet. but anyways thank you so much.

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on December 12, 2012
at 06:44 PM

thank you. i like coconut oil. as far as the fat goes, whatever i can pull off i will.

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on December 12, 2012
at 06:35 PM

thank you Blueballoon. I will try those options. im not a big fan of lamb but willing to give it a second try.

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on December 12, 2012
at 06:27 PM

to Sunny Beaches. I know that store meat has fat in it. What i mean is that i don't seek out to eat fat. if i eat a hamburger, the ground meat will have fat in it and that is ok because it is just part of the meat, but i wont go and eat the fat that's hanging on the steak because that can be pulled off and thrown away. im not trying to be legalistic. i am just trying to stay away from as much animal fat as i can. i hope that makes sense. it is about the heart and my convictions.

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on December 08, 2012
at 02:35 AM

I eat kosher as well. I have only eaten kosher for about a year though. Before I was eating hc paleo, as in bacon in the morning and steak at night. THIS IS NOT HEALTHY LIKE EVERY ONE HERE BELIEVES. I was totally brainwashed into thinking bacon is good for you. In the last 6 months I have switched from only kosher chicken for meat to full pescetarian. I feel very healthy now, much more so than when I was eating blood.

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on December 08, 2012
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Sorry--or avocados. I don't think there's anything wrong with doing that. :) Good luck! There are tons of options within paleo for fat consumption. I think the biggest thing is to get enough and stay away from things like canola/corn/soybean oils.

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on December 08, 2012
at 01:57 AM

Aurora- I totally understand. Ground meat could be difficult. I'd suggest, then, that you eat saturated fats such as coconut oil and eat leaner meats or whole muscle cuts from the store (especially since you can't afford grass-fed). In addition, you may wish to check out a kosher/halal market for lamb if you're up for it. (I know lamb was one of the last things I started eating after I stopped being veg*n.) Full disclosure: I eat less meat, but grass-fed. Most of my animal fats come from that, butter, or fatty fish. But, the majority of the fat I get is actually via olive or coconut oil.

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on December 08, 2012
at 01:36 AM

Why do you stay away from animal fats? One of the hardest things new paleo eaters have to wrap their heads around is that animal fats are not unhealthy. That said, if all you can afford is conventionally raised (grain fed) meats, then get lean cuts and add coconut or olive oil to increase the fat content. Eat plenty of fish fat, too--salmon, cod, etc. there are plenty of kosher fish.

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on December 07, 2012
at 11:32 PM

I guess I don't really understand...can you clarify? Typical store meat has animal fat..do you mean that you aren't able to have animal fat in a "concentrated" separated form (like lard/drippings)?

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on December 07, 2012
at 11:11 PM

i just try to stay away from all animal fats.

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on December 07, 2012
at 11:10 PM

hi, thanks for responding. yes im sorry i didn't clarify, i meant animal fats. i LOVE avocados and olives and coconut. Kosher butchers do remove that, but in meats like ground beef it's harder. Plus I just started so im not able to eat grass fed organic so im having to eat chainstore meat.

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on December 08, 2012
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Of course you can have fat as long as it's not chelev. How would our grandparents have survived without schmaltz??? When I was in Israel I was invited to the home of a family who were Sephardim and they showed me what they were cooking--shmaltz and gribenes, just like Ashkenazi, but with a different name, of course, which I've now forgotten. And, as pointed out above, there's always vegetable sources like coconut oil and olive oil--try to stay away from other seed oils, though.

If you have drastically reduced carbs since going paleo (most likely if you were eating mostly grains and legumes before) that lethargy you are experiencing is probably a bit of "induction flu". When you reduce carbs, you reduce glycogen stores in your body. Glycogen stores with water, so you tend to lose fluid (larger volume of urine). That's why you need to drink more water and eat a little more salt. The very best thing for you is some good salty bone broth. You'll feel better.

I'm guessing you won't see this until after Shabbos, and by then you should be feeling a little better already, but if not, drink broth and have some extra salt. If you don't have any broth handy, you can get "electrolyte water" at places like Whole Foods--plain tasting water but it has added sodium and potassium.

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on December 12, 2012
at 06:47 PM

lol thanks, I didn't grow up jewish. i just believe in keeping Torah as best I can and in Yeshua our messiah. so i wouldn't have grown up with those reciepes. but i will look more into this and will try the broth. going from being vegan to paleo is still a little scary for me. especially because im not able to eat hormone/antibiotic free met yet. but anyways thank you so much.

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on December 07, 2012
at 11:52 PM

you can still eat intramuscular fat, and the regular fat on meat, that's not chelev. poultry fat is okay too (duck, goose & chicken). coconut oil is fine.

you don't have to increase your fat intake either, you can stick to starchy tubers and fruit for the bulk of your calories. either way is fine.

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on December 12, 2012
at 06:44 PM

thank you. i like coconut oil. as far as the fat goes, whatever i can pull off i will.

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on December 07, 2012
at 11:04 PM

No fat? I am not following. Which rules require no fat? (This is an honest question.) Don't a lot of traditional Jewish foods call for olive oil or schmaltz? Please forgive me if I sound ignorant (I am not Jewish), but according to this website--which may not be accurate, but I have no reference-- I found only the following:

"A certain kind of fat, known as chelev, which surrounds the vital organs and the liver, may not be eaten. Kosher butchers remove this. Modern scientists have found biochemical differences between this type of fat and the permissible fat around the muscles and under the skin."

So I would think that even if you weren't to use animal fats, you could use olive oil and coconut oil fairly liberally. Rendered chicken fat is generally subcutaneous fat, since the organs are removed before roasting, etc.

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on December 07, 2012
at 11:11 PM

i just try to stay away from all animal fats.

78cb3c4f70de5db2adb52b6b9671894b

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on December 07, 2012
at 11:32 PM

I guess I don't really understand...can you clarify? Typical store meat has animal fat..do you mean that you aren't able to have animal fat in a "concentrated" separated form (like lard/drippings)?

3491e51730101b18724dc57c86601173

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on December 08, 2012
at 01:36 AM

Why do you stay away from animal fats? One of the hardest things new paleo eaters have to wrap their heads around is that animal fats are not unhealthy. That said, if all you can afford is conventionally raised (grain fed) meats, then get lean cuts and add coconut or olive oil to increase the fat content. Eat plenty of fish fat, too--salmon, cod, etc. there are plenty of kosher fish.

E36cb992cf0a5eba8b97a359c15f38b3

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on December 08, 2012
at 01:57 AM

Aurora- I totally understand. Ground meat could be difficult. I'd suggest, then, that you eat saturated fats such as coconut oil and eat leaner meats or whole muscle cuts from the store (especially since you can't afford grass-fed). In addition, you may wish to check out a kosher/halal market for lamb if you're up for it. (I know lamb was one of the last things I started eating after I stopped being veg*n.) Full disclosure: I eat less meat, but grass-fed. Most of my animal fats come from that, butter, or fatty fish. But, the majority of the fat I get is actually via olive or coconut oil.

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on December 07, 2012
at 11:10 PM

hi, thanks for responding. yes im sorry i didn't clarify, i meant animal fats. i LOVE avocados and olives and coconut. Kosher butchers do remove that, but in meats like ground beef it's harder. Plus I just started so im not able to eat grass fed organic so im having to eat chainstore meat.

E36cb992cf0a5eba8b97a359c15f38b3

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on December 08, 2012
at 01:59 AM

Sorry--or avocados. I don't think there's anything wrong with doing that. :) Good luck! There are tons of options within paleo for fat consumption. I think the biggest thing is to get enough and stay away from things like canola/corn/soybean oils.

D0560a5617382efe4fda63f5bb389098

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on December 12, 2012
at 06:35 PM

thank you Blueballoon. I will try those options. im not a big fan of lamb but willing to give it a second try.

D0560a5617382efe4fda63f5bb389098

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on December 12, 2012
at 06:27 PM

to Sunny Beaches. I know that store meat has fat in it. What i mean is that i don't seek out to eat fat. if i eat a hamburger, the ground meat will have fat in it and that is ok because it is just part of the meat, but i wont go and eat the fat that's hanging on the steak because that can be pulled off and thrown away. im not trying to be legalistic. i am just trying to stay away from as much animal fat as i can. i hope that makes sense. it is about the heart and my convictions.

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