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Paleo Cheating - Sushi

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Created April 05, 2013 at 9:13 PM

I'm trying the paleo diet, but I LOVE sushi. I love Boston Rolls without cream cheese... The only thing in that that's not paleo would be the rice... How often would it be okay to cheat and eat this (1x Boston Roll, sans cream cheese), provided I'm working out 3 times a week or so?

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on April 07, 2013
at 12:25 AM

I lived in Sevilla for 6 months, and it is the best food I have known! I wasn't paleo then... It would be very difficult with the grains and alcohol.

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on April 06, 2013
at 09:23 PM

Rice isn't Paleo, it's a grain, and Paleo = no grains. White rice is probably the "least bad" of grain-based cheats though and is basically nutritionally neutral. Brown and wild rices are more problematic. I do eat white rice very occasionally just because it's convenient but that doesn't make it Paleo.

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on April 06, 2013
at 06:28 PM

Why would brown rice be a better option? Most people here use white rice as it's been stripped of the few antinutrients rice has - why reintroduce them?

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on April 06, 2013
at 02:23 PM

When you're surrounded by something like in this case it's pretty difficult to fully stay away, I think you've achieved a good general compromise. At least Japanese people are pretty healthy overall. Here in Spain I have do deal with: fast food, grains, sugar, alcohol... hehe.

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on April 06, 2013
at 01:11 PM

@status - that's some really terrible logic right there. Antinutrients for one. Do some reading. @Renee - the soy is fermented so you don't need to worry about it. I still wouldn't chug it, but it's not quite a cheat either.

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on April 06, 2013
at 11:45 AM

Not to split hairs, but wheat-free gluten-free tamari is still made of soy beans which are not strictly paleo. I mean, certainly it's not like you're chugging the stuff, so I would consider it an acceptable cheat. But liquid coconut aminos are another option for dipping.

508a4ebd259022f415326f7a6baec00c

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on April 06, 2013
at 06:39 AM

Excellent point j3wcy. Nothing beats sticking to a healthy plan, and implementing it fastidiously.

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on April 06, 2013
at 05:54 AM

I was abit unaccurate, there can be wheat in vinegar but not necesserily. I just happen to have one bottle that has.

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on April 06, 2013
at 03:29 AM

What about Phelps packing away what looked like iHop menu items...if your body is burning it then what's the issue or is it still bad for you long term...I feel it hard to believe that one of the greatest Olympic athletes of all time was getting suboptimal nutrition advice.

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on April 05, 2013
at 09:44 PM

Rice is not ideologically paleo. It's readily accepted by people here, and does fall under The Perfect Health Diet food umbrella, but PHD isn't really paleo (it's close, though!). However, I totally agree with @Chris: if you can handle it, go for it. DISCLAIMER: I eat rice on occasion - often as (100%) rice noodles when I make phở at home.

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on April 05, 2013
at 09:25 PM

Sushi rice often has sugar added, though. Best to ask.

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on April 05, 2013
at 09:24 PM

Rice is paleo Jamie, it's high carb but still paleo my friend. If you tolerate it well, no weight issues/diabetes, then go for it & enjoy your Sushi. Also cream cheese isn't so bad if you don't have issues with that too. Paleo is about eating foods that are good for you. Hope this helps. =o)

532cfd279d793e8fcc23b9f6d91dde5c

(1981)

on April 05, 2013
at 09:25 PM

Sushi rice often has sugar added, though. Best to ask.

9a5e2da94ad63ea3186dfa494e16a8d1

(15833)

on April 06, 2013
at 09:23 PM

Rice isn't Paleo, it's a grain, and Paleo = no grains. White rice is probably the "least bad" of grain-based cheats though and is basically nutritionally neutral. Brown and wild rices are more problematic. I do eat white rice very occasionally just because it's convenient but that doesn't make it Paleo.

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

(19150)

on April 05, 2013
at 09:44 PM

Rice is not ideologically paleo. It's readily accepted by people here, and does fall under The Perfect Health Diet food umbrella, but PHD isn't really paleo (it's close, though!). However, I totally agree with @Chris: if you can handle it, go for it. DISCLAIMER: I eat rice on occasion - often as (100%) rice noodles when I make phở at home.

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508a4ebd259022f415326f7a6baec00c

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on April 06, 2013
at 12:06 AM

Living in Japan, it's difficult to eat out socially and avoid rice altogether. I only eat sushi about once or twice a month, but rice is incorporated to almost all meals.

If girlfriend cooks with rice, I eat it.
Eating out, I won't order rice. If it's a communal thing, I eat it.

This works out to about 3-4 times/week. I don't like doing it, because I'm trying to get my diet as paleo as possible.

If you're happy eating sushi, and are achieving your goals, eat the food! If you realize it's holding you back, eat Sashimi!

048dd52752c45129c1212bfffb37ca72

(3150)

on April 06, 2013
at 02:23 PM

When you're surrounded by something like in this case it's pretty difficult to fully stay away, I think you've achieved a good general compromise. At least Japanese people are pretty healthy overall. Here in Spain I have do deal with: fast food, grains, sugar, alcohol... hehe.

508a4ebd259022f415326f7a6baec00c

(482)

on April 07, 2013
at 12:25 AM

I lived in Sevilla for 6 months, and it is the best food I have known! I wasn't paleo then... It would be very difficult with the grains and alcohol.

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048dd52752c45129c1212bfffb37ca72

on April 06, 2013
at 06:33 AM

I agree with most folks here, white rice is pretty paleo, it's still a grain but one of those with less anti-nutrients, pretty easy digestible when well cooked (as in sushi form), and far more natural than most other stuff.

I don't think you should even consider it 'cheating', considering that you workout (I guess you are referring to some kind of strength training) then it may even stack quite nicely into your plan.

If you're going to eat it, maybe you could benefit from trying to lower fat in that meal and the surrounding hours as much as possible and go for high protein. Carbs and protein make a nice stack as they will regulate a possible blood spike and will promote the delivery of protein to the muscles (good stuff). Just after a workout, when your muscles are the most insulin sensitive, It can aid a lot.

If you mix the rice with fat, chances are that the triglycerides will be delivered to the fat cells on the body due to the spike of insulin and the availability of fatty acids in the blood. That could promote fat storage and you do not want this.

Protein + carbs before and after workout and Protein + fat on rest days, that's the base after many strength training plans like Carb-Back Loading and similar that seems to be working pretty well with many folks.

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on April 06, 2013
at 06:12 AM

I too suffer from a love of sushi.. specifically with cream chease (looovee my philly rolls).

To put it clearly sushi is:

*Real food!! This is the most important factor I think

*Low in toxins. I am intolerant to gluten but small amounts of soy sauce doesn't bother me and tamari is usually available if you ask nicely. This is a far cry from highly processed chemically enhanced food like substance.

*Has nutritional value (fish!!Seaweed!!)

*Presented in a way that doesn't necessarily encourage over consumption. I dont know about you but a beautifully prepared plate is to be savored and this gives your stomach enough time to say "Im full".

I do avoid the fried stuff though. I find this to be a bit too hyper palatable.

So I see very few negatives. Account for the carbs not just "count them". But they wont hurt you if you are using them.

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on April 06, 2013
at 01:02 AM

Rice is not bad, no gluten, "safe starch", I wouldn't worry about it. As a runner I go to rice as a safe carb source.

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on April 06, 2013
at 04:45 PM

Brown rice sushi may be a better option for sushi. A lot of restaurants have it now and I enjoy the texture more than white rice.

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

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on April 06, 2013
at 06:28 PM

Why would brown rice be a better option? Most people here use white rice as it's been stripped of the few antinutrients rice has - why reintroduce them?

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44348571d9bc70c02ac2975cc500f154

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on April 06, 2013
at 05:50 AM

Be aware that there is wheat in sushi rice vinegar and usually in soy sauce as well. You can bring your own soy but theres not much one can do for the vinegar.

44348571d9bc70c02ac2975cc500f154

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on April 06, 2013
at 05:54 AM

I was abit unaccurate, there can be wheat in vinegar but not necesserily. I just happen to have one bottle that has.

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on April 06, 2013
at 03:13 AM

Could you possibly ask for the Boston roll without rice? My sushi joint that I frequent quite often always modifies my orders and it works like a charm and my taste buds are THRILLED!

Other items at Japanese you should seriously look into: Hamachi Kama, Anago (sashimi or in a hand roll, with no rice or sauce), salmon skin and LOTS of it & of course, sashimi :)

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5e5ff249c9161b8cd96d7eff6043bc3a

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on April 06, 2013
at 02:22 AM

Honestly the soy sauce (assuming you use it) is probably your real problem. If you can stand to do it, bring your own good quality wheat-free gluten-free tamari.

Also as a side note, you can't outrun a bad diet. Stop thinking you can justify bad diet behaviors (not that this specifically is one) with exercise. This drives me insane. I can have this brownie, I just ran 3 miles...ridiculous.

508a4ebd259022f415326f7a6baec00c

(482)

on April 06, 2013
at 06:39 AM

Excellent point j3wcy. Nothing beats sticking to a healthy plan, and implementing it fastidiously.

5e5ff249c9161b8cd96d7eff6043bc3a

(4713)

on April 06, 2013
at 01:11 PM

@status - that's some really terrible logic right there. Antinutrients for one. Do some reading. @Renee - the soy is fermented so you don't need to worry about it. I still wouldn't chug it, but it's not quite a cheat either.

6705f05b7e3b08f7a51312f33844ba10

(43)

on April 06, 2013
at 03:29 AM

What about Phelps packing away what looked like iHop menu items...if your body is burning it then what's the issue or is it still bad for you long term...I feel it hard to believe that one of the greatest Olympic athletes of all time was getting suboptimal nutrition advice.

F92e4ca55291c3f3096a3d4d3d854986

(11698)

on April 06, 2013
at 11:45 AM

Not to split hairs, but wheat-free gluten-free tamari is still made of soy beans which are not strictly paleo. I mean, certainly it's not like you're chugging the stuff, so I would consider it an acceptable cheat. But liquid coconut aminos are another option for dipping.

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