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Overeating with Paleo

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Created May 27, 2010 at 1:18 AM

I've been Paleo for half a year now. The problem is that I tend to overeat with paleo foods compared to when I was on the SAD, where I actually had to force myself to eat enough not to starve. I literally could feel my stomach rumbling and I wouldn't feel like eating.

But now after eating close to two pounds of meat, in lots of butter, with some veg on the side, I'm still up for more. This usually leads to more snacking on meat and whatnot till it becomes pretty uncomfortable to eat any more.

I'm glad I'm eating clean stuff as opposed to junk food, but I find it disturbing that my appetite is as big as it is. I've gained a fair bit of muscle with my strength training, but I've noticed my belly has smoothed out a lot (I had a faint 6-pack before, granted I was skinny as hell). Does anyone have the same problem, or know how to deal with this?

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on May 29, 2010
at 10:20 AM

Cold hands mean ?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on May 28, 2010
at 05:41 PM

I toughed it out for about an hour and I'm feeling pretty satisfied! Thanks!

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on May 28, 2010
at 02:44 AM

Sounds reasonable. I'll give it a try tomorrow and report back.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on May 28, 2010
at 02:40 AM

No. I don't think I have a thyroid problem. I used to eat crap during my teenage years and hunger was almost never an issue even though I was skinnier, had less body fat and ate a lot more carbs.

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on May 27, 2010
at 07:18 PM

It sounds like you have very low body fat, and therefore very low leptin levels, which in turn will make you ravenously hungry b/c of an accumulated energy deficit, likely from your time as a vegetarian + your intense workouts. Also it sounds like you are nearly zero-carb, which can put your metabolism into famine mode, adding to your hunger. If 2 lbs of meat can't fill you, you should really add some starch. Obviously your hunger is not due to overeating carbs. You are hungry for a reason: you are too thin and need to put on mass. Insulin release from eating more carbs will help you do that.

4145b36f1488224964edac6258b75aff

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on May 27, 2010
at 01:08 PM

Also the guy is pretty damn skinny to start out. He doesn't have a lot of fat to burn. Training fasted is great if you're carrying some fat but if you're underweight it might not work as well or at all.

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on May 27, 2010
at 12:35 PM

bro's eating a stick of butter a day! the perhaps he could switch fats, since there has been some discussion of insulin response to butter on the interwebs. http://heartscanblog.blogspot.com/2010/03/butter-and-insulin.html

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on May 27, 2010
at 12:31 PM

hipster skinny jeans are not paleo anyway. i take pride in the fact that my legs can't fit in them.

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on May 27, 2010
at 10:54 AM

Also, if you're doing one meal a day and are hungry all the time, eat another meal before or after that one. There's a lot going around about IF and people eating one meal a day and so on - that might not be the best option for very skinny/active people. Not everyone has their appetite die the way some of the successful IFers do.

4145b36f1488224964edac6258b75aff

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on May 27, 2010
at 10:51 AM

Not in a good way though :P Do the math on 6'3" and 165lbs - you don't exactly have a lot of mass anywhere, even if you have crazy muscle definition. My brother described me as a muscular skeleton, which I think was pretty accurate.

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on May 27, 2010
at 08:28 AM

Yeah I usually eat it all in one meal, but I eat slowly, like over the course of 2 hours. I really like eating my meat, but it gets pretty disconcerting when I have to keep eating instead of doing something else. You must be pretty ripped at 6% though!

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on May 27, 2010
at 08:21 AM

Calorie wise I end up around 2500-3000; fitday gives me 2200 for my base meals. Typical day would be a big steak, about 20oz. I do liver, salmon, bacon (no sugar) and sausages(ingredients: pork and spices). ~2lbs total. Cooking fat is butter about a stick a day. Veggies are broccoli and spinach with bacon. Dessert is usually a chunk of good cheese. No fruit or nuts. No starchy vegetables. If I'm hungry I'll just randomly cook some bacon or some beef heart. I'm 6 feet about 130lbs (was about 120 before). Lift as heavy as I can twice a week: Squats, deadlifts, bench, military press.

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on May 27, 2010
at 02:36 AM

Are you eating anything that could cause an insulin response and the extreme hunger? Are you using lots of salt (which I've noticed stimulate my appetite)? What are some of the sample meals you eat specifically when you get this appetite?

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on May 27, 2010
at 02:02 AM

Height/weight/activity level would help for answerers as well.

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at 01:36 AM

Have you done some random "fitday" calculations? To see where your overall calories come out to? Could you give us a quick run down of a typical day of eating?

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at 01:36 AM

0 Have you done some random "fitday" calculations? To see where your overall calories come out to? Could you give us a quick run down of a typical day of eating?

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on May 27, 2010
at 03:52 PM

Spencer, you are six foot and 130 lbs.

You are seriously underweight, and you are not overeating. If you are eating 3,000 cals a day, you could still eat more.

Don't worry about it until you gain 40-100 pounds, depending on your goals. Even at 100+ lbs. gained, you would not be considered large in lifting circles.

[Edit: Just realize this may have come off a little harsh. I didn't mean it that way. Obviously different people have different goals. If you were a powerlifter, you could easily be 250 lbs. and still be considered small. If you were a rock climber, you might want to weigh a lot less than 200.

Still, for someone who is 6', I think 130 lbs. is a bit alarming, medically speaking, and I don't think that's just a personal opinion. You would probably be a lot healthier after gaining about 30-40 lbs. minimum, and then maybe some more, depending on your goals. Best of luck.]

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on May 27, 2010
at 05:55 PM

If you're eating it all at one meal then you may still be hungry and so over-eating simply because your body hasn't recognised and responded to the intake of calories by the time you reach the end of your meal. I find that the only time when I'm hungry at all is just after a meal. Unlike a bowl of pasta or bread, which turns to sugar in your mouth and nigh-instantly hit the bloodstream, the calories from meat and fat will take hours to fully digest. Unlike some on here who find large amounts of fats incredibly filling, I find that if I eat 50-100g of butter in the morning, then I won't actually feel it for a few hours. Similarly with protein, I tend to find I brighten up and feel noticably warmer 2-3 hours after a lot of meat.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on May 28, 2010
at 05:41 PM

I toughed it out for about an hour and I'm feeling pretty satisfied! Thanks!

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on May 28, 2010
at 02:44 AM

Sounds reasonable. I'll give it a try tomorrow and report back.

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4145b36f1488224964edac6258b75aff

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on May 27, 2010
at 01:52 AM

If you're actually eating two plus pounds of meat per meal that would be impressive. You should sign up for one of those steak eating contests if so!

If you're active (lifting weights), and started out skinny (very low bodyfat), then your body might be trying to tell you something: I WANT TO GROW. I started out with a chiseled six pack (genetics and ill health == very low bodyfat) but it has softened over time, which I'm taking as a good sign. I don't think it's healthy to be in a perpetual state of very low bodyfat, despite what the fitness magazines would have you believe. At 6'3" and now ~170lbs, I think I'm edging into a reasonable weight for my height, and a reasonable bodyfat percentage instead of from too low to measure" to 6% on all those electronic scales.

If your body is asking for more steak, and you're not getting fat, then answer the call!

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on May 27, 2010
at 08:28 AM

Yeah I usually eat it all in one meal, but I eat slowly, like over the course of 2 hours. I really like eating my meat, but it gets pretty disconcerting when I have to keep eating instead of doing something else. You must be pretty ripped at 6% though!

4145b36f1488224964edac6258b75aff

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on May 27, 2010
at 10:51 AM

Not in a good way though :P Do the math on 6'3" and 165lbs - you don't exactly have a lot of mass anywhere, even if you have crazy muscle definition. My brother described me as a muscular skeleton, which I think was pretty accurate.

4145b36f1488224964edac6258b75aff

(7821)

on May 27, 2010
at 10:54 AM

Also, if you're doing one meal a day and are hungry all the time, eat another meal before or after that one. There's a lot going around about IF and people eating one meal a day and so on - that might not be the best option for very skinny/active people. Not everyone has their appetite die the way some of the successful IFers do.

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on May 27, 2010
at 11:07 AM

Just be careful that you aren't doing the "high carb paleo" if you're concerned about sixpack

eating alot of carbs or just lean meat will cause hunger thru insulin, Eat more Fat

cook everything in butter or coconut oil choose the fatty cuts eat eggs, fried in butter, with bacon(nitrate free) find good macadamia nuts to snack on if you need sweets eat an apple and let the pectin help fill you up

I had the hunger issues when I was low carb low fat high protein and resultingly overate when I started eating more butter/coconut oil to cook ate macadamias and stopped avoiding fat, hunger dissapeared

The other huge recommendation is IF, Intermittent Fasting helps your body become more fat adapted And forces your body to eat that fat that's settling on your stomach start by skipping breakfast and not gorging at lunch eventually once fat adapted you can skip meals whenever you want and control your weight the healthy way without discomfort

Train Fasted. Seriously. You'll fat adapt faster, have more energy from your SNS, and All your efforts Burn fat, if you eat before exercise, your body just burns what you ate

I was 285lbs I dropped to a lean buff 180 with well toned muscles and a 4 pack with low carb high fat primal, IF and fasted training. Trust me, it only gets easier the longer you do it, I haven't felt hungry in several months, I enjoy the taste of food...but I eat because it's fuel for my activities, not because I feel the urge or hunger pains I still average 3000cal a day but usually it's over half fat and in a 4-8 hour window

Even muscle gain works doing what our bodies are designed to do

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on May 27, 2010
at 01:08 PM

Also the guy is pretty damn skinny to start out. He doesn't have a lot of fat to burn. Training fasted is great if you're carrying some fat but if you're underweight it might not work as well or at all.

691f120a3e7a1a036845d105d86c99a3

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on May 27, 2010
at 12:35 PM

bro's eating a stick of butter a day! the perhaps he could switch fats, since there has been some discussion of insulin response to butter on the interwebs. http://heartscanblog.blogspot.com/2010/03/butter-and-insulin.html

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on May 27, 2010
at 03:17 AM

My experience has been that putting on more muscle=increased hunger=putting on more fat. I have come to the conclusion that the body needs that fat to support the additional muscle. It is a little disconcerting...I miss my six pack a little bit, and buying bigger pants wasn't all that fun either. But eating good food until I'm full, not getting sick, having tons of energy, flawless digestion, and arms/chest/shoulders/back I get compliments on makes it worth it :)

In short, I think that if you are eating good food...it is virtually impossible to overeat. Your body will give you the right signals.

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on May 27, 2010
at 12:31 PM

hipster skinny jeans are not paleo anyway. i take pride in the fact that my legs can't fit in them.

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on May 28, 2010
at 07:55 PM

Listen to your body. Watch those carbs as THEY will produce cravings for more. Eat drink and listen to your body. Eat with a friend- no real reason but its fun.

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on May 27, 2010
at 07:37 PM

It sounds like you have very low body fat, and therefore very low leptin levels, which in turn will make you ravenously hungry because of an accumulated energy deficit, likely from your time as a vegetarian coupled with your intense workouts. Also it sounds like you are nearly zero-carb, which can put your metabolism into famine mode, adding to your hunger. If 2 pounds of meat can't fill you, you should really consider adding in some starch. Obviously your hunger is not due to overeating carbs. You are hungry for a reason: you are too thin and your body wants to put on mass. Insulin release from eating more carbs will help you do that. What may be good for overweight people (IF and VLC) can be dangerous or at least counterproductive for underweight people.

Also, I am curious: do you have cold hands on the days when you don't work out?

84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

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on May 29, 2010
at 10:20 AM

Cold hands mean ?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on May 28, 2010
at 02:40 AM

No. I don't think I have a thyroid problem. I used to eat crap during my teenage years and hunger was almost never an issue even though I was skinnier, had less body fat and ate a lot more carbs.

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1340fe0b7e7b01683ea33042092e05d6

on May 27, 2010
at 01:35 AM

Have you done some random "fitday" calculations? To see where your overall calories come out to? Could you give us a quick run down of a typical day of eating?

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