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Omnivores versus low carb paleo

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Created February 01, 2011 at 1:21 AM

From the answers that I read I have got the feeling that a large part of this paleo community is low-carb paleo, having large intakes of meat, fish and eggs plus few vegetables and almost no fruit, while the rest, like me are omnivores, eating meat, fish, eggs but also large amounts of vegetables and fruits. Am I right to think this way and how many of you belong to the low-carb or the omnivorous group?

A231170e329756974c79cd8d2116351c

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on February 04, 2011
at 08:47 PM

No problem, and thanks! I would like sweet abs, but I suppose there are more important things in life. :-)

Ac1e55cf06c2180f4008ff01953d10dd

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on February 04, 2011
at 05:44 PM

Meeses thanks for sharing your story, actually you do not look fat at all!

5841391284e7af8c495c54bd90d3a795

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on February 04, 2011
at 03:40 AM

As someone on the other end of that age scale I would agree with you.

Cfccbcf3450ac4919311ded8ef162d49

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on February 03, 2011
at 08:10 AM

that's why I said "low-carber" ;-)

74f5d2ff6567edd456d31dfb9b92af61

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on February 02, 2011
at 04:51 AM

And if you've found peace/balance with how you eat now, then that's great! That's the important thing. :) I almost wish I had trouble eating this much. Hah.

74f5d2ff6567edd456d31dfb9b92af61

(5227)

on February 02, 2011
at 04:43 AM

Wewt, I totally wrote you a novel about my food! :D Hah. As you can tell, I seriously like food. =P I've come a long way from my food being my enemy, for sure. :)

74f5d2ff6567edd456d31dfb9b92af61

(5227)

on February 02, 2011
at 04:42 AM

(con't) that I hadn't already eaten that day (cooked in a fat of choice), then I eat dessert, which is something fatty, or a bit of fruit drenched in coconut milk, and a handful of choccy, and if I'm still unsatisfied, I take a spoonful of nutbutter. Or, depending on if I'm moody or PMS'y, I might have a sweet potato or acorn squash with coconut oil, buttery, cinnamon, vanilla, and a scoop of nutbutter of choice for dinner with some eggs or other protein on the side. (I eat too many nuts! :P) Totals +/- 2000 kcal. So...yeah. I'm a greedy beast; not always hungry, but I love to eat. :D

74f5d2ff6567edd456d31dfb9b92af61

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on February 02, 2011
at 04:39 AM

For instance, breakfast is currently eggs -- 3 jumbo (about 65-70g each) with a bit of tahini and sriracha atop, and a banana on the side with a heaping tbs of nut butter and sometimes coconut butter or oil (500-550 kcal). Lunch is veggies drenched in a heaping tbs of fat o' choice and a protein of choice, either chicken or ground beast or the occasional bit of tuna or salmon. I always eat dessert, unsweetened baker's with coconut butter or nut butter, and sometimes a baked apple with more nut butter. Lunch is ~850-900 kcal. Then dinner is up in the air, but usually just a hunk of protein

74f5d2ff6567edd456d31dfb9b92af61

(5227)

on February 02, 2011
at 04:36 AM

Oh, THAT. Haha. :D That's...easy? Difficult? It's hard to explain. I used to have trouble eating, but I taught myself that I can maintain on higher, so I have a sense of entitlement and eat accordingly to it. (My hunger signals are wonky, as you already know.) I guess what it comes down to is that I really, really like fat. :)

Ac1e55cf06c2180f4008ff01953d10dd

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on February 02, 2011
at 12:17 AM

Sure but I have heard also of some zero-carb paleos

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

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on February 01, 2011
at 11:56 PM

I meant I don't know how you eat so much food! I have a hard time eating up to the 1500 calories I have moved myself up to for maintenance. Maybe it's just getting used to it though, I've been eating 1200 for so long.

74f5d2ff6567edd456d31dfb9b92af61

(5227)

on February 01, 2011
at 05:02 AM

Or do you mean ratios/increasing my protein? Sometimes I choose leaner meats and fatten them up on my own to up my protein. (Ie, a chicken boob with a dish of veggies slathered in buttery or bacon fat.) Other days, I let my tummy guide me and it picks out fattier meats (for instance, ground beast or chicken thigh with skin or something) and I can lay off on the buttery on my veggies. :) (Sorry for being a ditz! xD)

74f5d2ff6567edd456d31dfb9b92af61

(5227)

on February 01, 2011
at 04:54 AM

I'm being super dense (I blame the glutening from the other day :P) but I'm not quite sure what you mean. xD Do you mean how I eat so many carbs and protein? I usually base my meal around a protein, then ramp it up with peripherals, then flavor it with fat. :D

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on February 01, 2011
at 02:35 AM

I don't know how you do it! I am at about 75 grams of carbs and 75 grams of protein and some days that is tough to figure out.

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on February 01, 2011
at 01:43 AM

Very Low Fructose and Zero Fructose, as I'm using it, actually.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

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on February 01, 2011
at 01:40 AM

VLC = Very low carb ZC = Zero Carb VLF = Very low fat ZF = Zero Fat

Ac1e55cf06c2180f4008ff01953d10dd

(3524)

on February 01, 2011
at 01:33 AM

Travis what is VLF, ZF and VLF, I am somewhat at a loss to understand it...

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9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on February 01, 2011
at 01:33 AM

I'm totally omnivorous. I love meat, but I also eat the dreaded starch and enjoy fruit as much as I want. I guess I got into this early enough that my body can still tolerate starch and I don't gain weight. I think it's a different game if you start this when you are 19 vs. when you start it when you at 50 and prediabetic.

5841391284e7af8c495c54bd90d3a795

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on February 04, 2011
at 03:40 AM

As someone on the other end of that age scale I would agree with you.

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62ed65f3596aa2f62fa1d58a0c09f8c3

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on February 01, 2011
at 04:02 AM

It depends on what you are trying to accomplish. Some people are trying to lose weight, some are trying to gain, some need to tweek to improve exercise recovery or energy levels, etc. There is no one size fits all in paleo. It depends on your situation, your lifestyle and your epigenetics.

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95601768ec9cb75cc3a9cbcd2271ed14

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on February 01, 2011
at 02:47 AM

I eat lots of vegetables, especially of the starchy variety, almost every day. I love root vegetables, potatoes both sweet and white, plantains, all types of squash, salad-type veggies and sea vegetables and don't monitor my intake of them consciously, although I do go through periods where I just don't want certain ones very much. I am also pretty liberal with fruit when it is around, although more so in the summertime since I seem to have little desire for it, with the exception of an apple or a handful of berries every few weeks, when it is cold out. I feel better when I include these things in my diet than when I don't.

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74f5d2ff6567edd456d31dfb9b92af61

(5227)

on February 01, 2011
at 01:52 AM

I don't think Paleo necessarily means low-carb. I partake in carbs frequently, and compared to the rest of the Paleo community, I'm probably very high-carb; however, in relation to the rest of the world, I'm also very low-carb.

I average around 150g-ish a day. I eat fruit 2-3 times a day, eat vegetables with lunch (my favorite meal of the day, with a serving each of something like broccoli, zucchini, and cauliflower) and snack on dark chocolate and nut butters for dessert. Once or twice a week or so, I crave a sweet potato or acorn squash, and enjoy it thoroughly. :)

Oh, and I also average around 100-115+ g of protein a day, and the same for fat.

74f5d2ff6567edd456d31dfb9b92af61

(5227)

on February 02, 2011
at 04:36 AM

Oh, THAT. Haha. :D That's...easy? Difficult? It's hard to explain. I used to have trouble eating, but I taught myself that I can maintain on higher, so I have a sense of entitlement and eat accordingly to it. (My hunger signals are wonky, as you already know.) I guess what it comes down to is that I really, really like fat. :)

74f5d2ff6567edd456d31dfb9b92af61

(5227)

on February 01, 2011
at 04:54 AM

I'm being super dense (I blame the glutening from the other day :P) but I'm not quite sure what you mean. xD Do you mean how I eat so many carbs and protein? I usually base my meal around a protein, then ramp it up with peripherals, then flavor it with fat. :D

74f5d2ff6567edd456d31dfb9b92af61

(5227)

on February 01, 2011
at 05:02 AM

Or do you mean ratios/increasing my protein? Sometimes I choose leaner meats and fatten them up on my own to up my protein. (Ie, a chicken boob with a dish of veggies slathered in buttery or bacon fat.) Other days, I let my tummy guide me and it picks out fattier meats (for instance, ground beast or chicken thigh with skin or something) and I can lay off on the buttery on my veggies. :) (Sorry for being a ditz! xD)

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on February 01, 2011
at 02:35 AM

I don't know how you do it! I am at about 75 grams of carbs and 75 grams of protein and some days that is tough to figure out.

74f5d2ff6567edd456d31dfb9b92af61

(5227)

on February 02, 2011
at 04:51 AM

And if you've found peace/balance with how you eat now, then that's great! That's the important thing. :) I almost wish I had trouble eating this much. Hah.

74f5d2ff6567edd456d31dfb9b92af61

(5227)

on February 02, 2011
at 04:43 AM

Wewt, I totally wrote you a novel about my food! :D Hah. As you can tell, I seriously like food. =P I've come a long way from my food being my enemy, for sure. :)

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on February 01, 2011
at 11:56 PM

I meant I don't know how you eat so much food! I have a hard time eating up to the 1500 calories I have moved myself up to for maintenance. Maybe it's just getting used to it though, I've been eating 1200 for so long.

74f5d2ff6567edd456d31dfb9b92af61

(5227)

on February 02, 2011
at 04:42 AM

(con't) that I hadn't already eaten that day (cooked in a fat of choice), then I eat dessert, which is something fatty, or a bit of fruit drenched in coconut milk, and a handful of choccy, and if I'm still unsatisfied, I take a spoonful of nutbutter. Or, depending on if I'm moody or PMS'y, I might have a sweet potato or acorn squash with coconut oil, buttery, cinnamon, vanilla, and a scoop of nutbutter of choice for dinner with some eggs or other protein on the side. (I eat too many nuts! :P) Totals +/- 2000 kcal. So...yeah. I'm a greedy beast; not always hungry, but I love to eat. :D

74f5d2ff6567edd456d31dfb9b92af61

(5227)

on February 02, 2011
at 04:39 AM

For instance, breakfast is currently eggs -- 3 jumbo (about 65-70g each) with a bit of tahini and sriracha atop, and a banana on the side with a heaping tbs of nut butter and sometimes coconut butter or oil (500-550 kcal). Lunch is veggies drenched in a heaping tbs of fat o' choice and a protein of choice, either chicken or ground beast or the occasional bit of tuna or salmon. I always eat dessert, unsweetened baker's with coconut butter or nut butter, and sometimes a baked apple with more nut butter. Lunch is ~850-900 kcal. Then dinner is up in the air, but usually just a hunk of protein

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7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

on February 01, 2011
at 01:41 AM

It depends what you call low carb? I try to get around 75 grams per day, so some days that is starches and some days that is fruits, once in awhile it's both. I just kind of go with I bought at the store and what I'm in the mood for. I have strawberries and blueberries on the menu tomorrow, but I probably haven't had them in a month. I would say I am a moderate carb omnivore.

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on February 01, 2011
at 01:27 AM

I eat lamb, eggs, spinach, mushrooms, clarified butter, russet potatoes, 3 brazil nuts/d, 2 grams kelp/d, 50 g natto/d and no fruit currently. My diet is VLF(ructose) but not really low carb since I generally eat 2-3 potatoes a day. I'm of the opinion that the elimination of fructose is far more important than the reduction or elimination of carbs and the real reason that VLC and ZC work so well for fat loss is that they also happen to be VLF and ZF.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

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on February 01, 2011
at 01:40 AM

VLC = Very low carb ZC = Zero Carb VLF = Very low fat ZF = Zero Fat

Ac1e55cf06c2180f4008ff01953d10dd

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on February 01, 2011
at 01:33 AM

Travis what is VLF, ZF and VLF, I am somewhat at a loss to understand it...

Medium avatar

(39821)

on February 01, 2011
at 01:43 AM

Very Low Fructose and Zero Fructose, as I'm using it, actually.

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A231170e329756974c79cd8d2116351c

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on February 04, 2011
at 05:31 PM

I took up eating tubers and fruit again because I ran into trouble with amenorrhea (for over a year), cold intolerance, and general craziness (binging and purging, irrationality) when I was low carb paleo for too long. I was taking in a ton of coconut oil and meat at the time, so I'm sure I had plenty of calories and ketone bodies to burn, but it wasn't enough to keep me either fertile or sane. Yes, I'm fatter than I would like to be, but it's the price I pay for the capacity to leave viable offspring. Not being batshit insane also a plus. YMMV, of course!

A231170e329756974c79cd8d2116351c

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on February 04, 2011
at 08:47 PM

No problem, and thanks! I would like sweet abs, but I suppose there are more important things in life. :-)

Ac1e55cf06c2180f4008ff01953d10dd

(3524)

on February 04, 2011
at 05:44 PM

Meeses thanks for sharing your story, actually you do not look fat at all!

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on February 01, 2011
at 11:38 PM

Hmmm... how to answer this one? :)

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on February 01, 2011
at 11:25 PM

so what exactly is paleo? (rhetorically asked...) i know all the theories, strict definitions, deviations etc etc - in my view, omnivorous IS paleo/primal provided the carbs are low, you don't avoid the sat-fats (cordain-discrepancy noted), you don't eat grains and you adjust your hand-to-mouth habits with the extra step: hand - is this an evolutionarily positive-neutral or negative food? - mouth.

our ancestors survived. to survive they were forced to eat anything and everything when meat was not available - which must have been a survival-threatening part of the time, yes? i also think that for a much longer part of the time, goat dairy was a nutritional adjunct to many HG nomadic groups as the incidence of lactose-intolerance is in reality, pretty low (another big discussion i know).

so IMHO, the paleo diet thing is a framework that is forever being tweaked as we adopt or discard different viewpoints, analyze information and change personal preferences. Our ancestors were omnivorous within the world of available foodstuffs that they lived. we just gotta make more complicated judgments given the preponderance of food-like substance food rather than (or hopefully along with) the real, natural thing.

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on February 01, 2011
at 10:32 AM

I vary from day to day, I have no weight to lose so just go with circumstance and what's in my fridge really, or what's in the reduced section at tescos :) Although I do tend to lean on the low fruit intake side of things, not for weight gain, it's just my sweet tooth seems to have vanished for things as sweet as most fruits, 85% cocoa and upwards dark chocolate however I have no problem consuming daily :D

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on February 01, 2011
at 02:52 AM

I've been experimenting with zero-carb for the last 3 weeks (total carnivore... no plant-based carbs at all).

I'm shooting for a month of zero-carb, then I might return to eating a few veggies with dinner. I believe I have a pathogenic gut bacteria that florish in a fiber or carb rich evironment. The lower I keep my fiber and carbs, the better I seem to feel.

Here's a good link for zero-carb if you are interested... link text

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on February 01, 2011
at 02:43 AM

I actually consider myself high-carb, in the sense that fruits and veges make up a huge percentage of my daily intake. Along with lots of meat, eggs, and other protein! But say high-carb today, and everyone thinks donuts and pasta. I am very low-Processed-carbs.

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Cfccbcf3450ac4919311ded8ef162d49

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on February 02, 2011
at 12:14 AM

low-carber's are by definition also omnivorous. The question is better worded "Where are you on the low-carb vs high-carb continuum?"

Ac1e55cf06c2180f4008ff01953d10dd

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on February 02, 2011
at 12:17 AM

Sure but I have heard also of some zero-carb paleos

Cfccbcf3450ac4919311ded8ef162d49

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on February 03, 2011
at 08:10 AM

that's why I said "low-carber" ;-)

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