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Nora Gedgaudus' points on less protein needed than many of us consume

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created June 04, 2010 at 10:29 PM

hey all, anyone familiar with Nora Gedgaudus and her book "Primal Mind Primal Body."? http://www.primalbody-primalmind.com/

She is pretty kickass. However, im writing here on PaleoHacks because she points out that less protein is needed than many groks consume. Shes all about eating lots of good quality sat fat and good veggies, and good quality protein with all the fat - only that she says mostly all of that protein should be consumed prolly once a day only and only in smallish amounts at that. Just wondering what you think and if anyone on here is familiar with her. Cheers, ben.

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on August 02, 2012
at 05:47 PM

Dr Price's studies included hunter-gatherer cultures, and he found many elderly people, though they were old and had grey hair they were still fit and valued members of the tribes; ie not sick and retired.

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on March 01, 2012
at 10:22 PM

I followed her recommendations a couple years ago (before getting pregnant and falling WAY off the wagon) and lost 45 lbs in 6 month. I take about 1.5 T. Coconut Oil before each meal (a la "Eat Fat, Lose Fat" by Sally Fallon & Mary Enig. My daily food then included: raw milk, raw cheese, full fat yogurt, uncured bacon, butter, eggs, some poultry or meat, non-starchy veggies, occasionally some berries. Now, I'm finally back to it, except I have a very small portion of potato 1-3X a week and a bit more fruit.

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on May 04, 2011
at 01:49 AM

I think that's only in a cortisol-induced state. I've personally have noticed a loss of muscle during stressful times (finals, etc). But then again, that could just be the lack of sleep, or a combination of both. However, I'm learning sleep and stress effect each other more than I've previously thought. So it wouldn't be completely off to throw them in together.

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on June 05, 2010
at 11:21 PM

This is a statistical question. Each individual paleo man did not die at 30; that may have been the average. When you eliminate non-health factors (injury, child mortality, etc) this becomes much more complicated. HG societies actually don't do that bad: http://www.anth.ucsb.edu/faculty/gurven/papers/GurvenKaplan2007pdr.pdf

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on June 05, 2010
at 09:17 PM

"The Industrial Age added 25 - 30 years to all our lives: we no longer have to work ourselves to death and suffer in the cold"<---Are you referring to people from the Northern climates specifically?

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on June 05, 2010
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The Industrial Age added 25 - 30 years to all our lives: we no longer have to work ourselves to death and suffer in the cold.

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on June 05, 2010
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"Didn't primal man have a life span of about 30-years?"<----Probably true if you count all the murders and the infant mortality. Art DeVany talks about this in his lecture series. He believes that Primal man and the hunter/gatherer populations maintained a high physiological overheard during their life. When the end of their life draws near, they just die. He wants to avoid an extended decline into poor health.

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4145b36f1488224964edac6258b75aff

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on June 05, 2010
at 01:40 AM

Her protein requirements make no sense given the observed diet of many contemporary HGs. She's also predicating a diet on essentially a purely theoretical basis. Mice live longer on mTOR activity lowering diets but do humans? What other costs are associated with it?

I personally have not run across any evidence anywhere that any macronutrient needs to be carefully restricted for magic health. It seems implausible and there is no actual experimental evidence in humans to suggest any real effect, merely hypotheses based on observing caloric restriction in monkeys or mice force-feed mTOR inhibitors. I agree with Kurt Harris on this one: your dietary inputs have wide tolerances.

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on June 04, 2010
at 11:32 PM

The problem is that she's againast carbs too. I eat very little meat compared to many paleo dieters and usually still go over her recommendations. I'd have to do more research on the reason she gives for protein restriction (mTor), but I'd be curious what an actual diet that follows her advice is like....

A salad with a cup of lard? Gallons of coconut milk? I'm not sure it's a good emulation of our ancestor's diet. mTor seems to be more about calorie restriction than anything, so I'd say intermittent fasting is a better strategy to deal with that.

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on March 01, 2012
at 10:22 PM

I followed her recommendations a couple years ago (before getting pregnant and falling WAY off the wagon) and lost 45 lbs in 6 month. I take about 1.5 T. Coconut Oil before each meal (a la "Eat Fat, Lose Fat" by Sally Fallon & Mary Enig. My daily food then included: raw milk, raw cheese, full fat yogurt, uncured bacon, butter, eggs, some poultry or meat, non-starchy veggies, occasionally some berries. Now, I'm finally back to it, except I have a very small portion of potato 1-3X a week and a bit more fruit.

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on June 05, 2010
at 11:42 AM

I've heard interviews with her, and while I respect a lot of her opinions, I already know I can't eat the way she does.

When it comes down to it, she's a calorie restriction person. She appears to eat about 1,400 calories a day (effortlessly), but fat just won't do that for me.

Listen to her interviews with Jimmy Moore, and maybe it will be more clear to you what she's eating.

http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/tag/primal-body-primal-mind

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on June 05, 2010
at 01:14 AM

I followed her recommendations for about 9 months. I noticed a down turn in athletic performance. Got leaner than normal as well. I decided to up my protein and carb intake. Not quite to Sisson's 1 gram per lb of body weight, but about 1 gram per pound of lean muscle mass as determined by a BIA. Noticed an almost immediate increase in muscle size. Especially in the chest region.

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on June 05, 2010
at 09:09 PM

It's been a while since I read her book but didn't she mention excess protein converting to glucose?

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on May 04, 2011
at 01:49 AM

I think that's only in a cortisol-induced state. I've personally have noticed a loss of muscle during stressful times (finals, etc). But then again, that could just be the lack of sleep, or a combination of both. However, I'm learning sleep and stress effect each other more than I've previously thought. So it wouldn't be completely off to throw them in together.

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on June 05, 2010
at 12:26 PM

What? Something she just decided? Where is the science for her comments? Didn't primal man have a life span of about 30-years?

0637289bb4a0ab314d80fa4de627d395

(1015)

on June 05, 2010
at 09:17 PM

"The Industrial Age added 25 - 30 years to all our lives: we no longer have to work ourselves to death and suffer in the cold"<---Are you referring to people from the Northern climates specifically?

B3c0950cd33bf7689ca0b98e5f2b6cdc

(588)

on June 05, 2010
at 09:11 PM

The Industrial Age added 25 - 30 years to all our lives: we no longer have to work ourselves to death and suffer in the cold.

0637289bb4a0ab314d80fa4de627d395

(1015)

on June 05, 2010
at 02:20 PM

"Didn't primal man have a life span of about 30-years?"<----Probably true if you count all the murders and the infant mortality. Art DeVany talks about this in his lecture series. He believes that Primal man and the hunter/gatherer populations maintained a high physiological overheard during their life. When the end of their life draws near, they just die. He wants to avoid an extended decline into poor health.

4145b36f1488224964edac6258b75aff

(7821)

on June 05, 2010
at 11:21 PM

This is a statistical question. Each individual paleo man did not die at 30; that may have been the average. When you eliminate non-health factors (injury, child mortality, etc) this becomes much more complicated. HG societies actually don't do that bad: http://www.anth.ucsb.edu/faculty/gurven/papers/GurvenKaplan2007pdr.pdf

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on August 02, 2012
at 05:47 PM

Dr Price's studies included hunter-gatherer cultures, and he found many elderly people, though they were old and had grey hair they were still fit and valued members of the tribes; ie not sick and retired.

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on June 05, 2010
at 01:03 AM

I agree, Melissa. Paleo diet, but minimal meat!? Can't see how that would work.

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