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Newbie to Paleo and just want to know about if I can cheat with this one littel thing?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created October 02, 2010 at 10:56 PM

Cleaned house of everything that is not part of the program. I had done gluten free for my daughter about 5 years ago and had a head start on how to figure out which things had gluten in it. Not easy for Celiac which requires strict removal of gluten. Also I am taking out nightshade plants too to see if it helps my fibromyalgia and stiff fingers.

I am still trying to figure out odd ball stuff but for the most part we have identified at least 95-98% of bad stuff and removed it. From looking at other sites there seems to be different ideas on what is ok and not ok. There seems to be varying degrees of Paleo and all sorts of takes on this and cheating and it is hard to understand it compared to other diets we have done. I just bought Mr. Wolf's Paleo Solutions book which we are reading and was able to track down his pdf Quick Start Guide online.

The goal is to lose a lot of weight but more importantly to feel better. Both my husband and I are doing this together. We are taking fruit out of our diet since Mr. Wolf recommends that for weight loss. Since we are new to this we are trying to keep it simple. We will add new recipes as we learn which ones we should follow.

If we are being really good can we splurge at night with a Dreyers Pomegranate popsicles that contains 12g of sugar 17g of carb and 70 calories? Is that going to send our insulin levels sky high or whatever? I am the one instigating this whole Paleo diet/lifestyle and the more I take out the more my husband asks why. He is a sugar junky and taking all the sugar out even his Truvia is making him more and more irritated. Can I throw him a bone with a fruit popsicle in the evenings? He is a big guy at 6'4" and over 300 lbs and if no other sugar the rest of the day or fruit will this really upset the apple cart on this diet?

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on October 11, 2010
at 03:06 AM

I am recovering from Fibro and had a lot of success with various amino acid supplementation. The L-glutamine should not make your insulin levels worse. Try Chromium Picolinate to help regulate insulin. D-Ribose chewables are great for energy, Magnesium Malate for overall achiness, Tyrosine for a morning wake-up and Taurine & 5-htp at bedtime. Cutting gluten and fake sweeteners out of my diet made a huge difference in my pain. Paleo over a year, I recently cut way back on fruit, which helped my energy and insulin levels. You may need to check your ferritin and Vit D levels also.

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on October 08, 2010
at 09:36 PM

My pleasure. We learned of it in my nutrition class- it's a great one and I've watched it a few times and will watch a few more I'm sure.

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on October 07, 2010
at 04:22 PM

Not sure about this. Since I have Fibromyalgia, in 10-5-10 radio session Robb Wolf says that condition is heavy insulin resistant and says to stay off of fruit for a long time for lower carbs. Also Omega 3 an 6 imbalance. Also use Natural Calm before bedtime which I plan to pick up today. I think now I have to avoid any type of sweets for a long time. Do you know if this supplement will mess up my insulin more or omega balance or affect sleep?

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on October 07, 2010
at 04:10 PM

What I found interesting in the lecture this doctor did was he said that with the sugar that is with fruit it is much better since it is with fiber. He explained how it gets metabolized much better. So if you do have a craving for sweet you should go with the fruit. He backs this up with lots of science and I highly recommend that folks watch this video. In fact he even mentions Paleo diet towards the end. He explains in great detail how the different types of sweets break down in our bodies and how fructose is toxic in many ways. Robb Wolf says to avoid fruit for Fibromyalgia for long time.

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on October 06, 2010
at 08:04 PM

Re: dates/figs being fructose bombs... I will still always defend a whole fruit vs it's juice or any individual part of a fruit. Just saying... :)

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on October 06, 2010
at 04:13 PM

Wow this is an amazing lecture and full of science and scary as hell. I recommend that folks watch this. This should be mandatory for all high school students to watch. Once again our national policy on food is omitting very important information to the public. This is why we are overweight and sickly. I have switched out popsicles for fresh half of a papaya with lime instead. I hope that is alright. Thank you Diane for posting this great link.

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on October 06, 2010
at 10:04 AM

Welcome and berry up ;)

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at 02:45 AM

Figs and Dates are fructose bombs tho, frozen berries and other low fructose options are best IMO

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on October 06, 2010
at 02:44 AM

I was writing a whole mess about whole food over frozen juice. This is great advice!

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on October 06, 2010
at 12:40 AM

I like the frozen berries thing too :)

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on October 03, 2010
at 12:18 AM

I think this is a good question. I'm sure that many of us live in a relationship where our commitment (or, maybe, fanaticism!) level differs from our partner's.

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on October 03, 2010
at 12:13 AM

I wonder if he'd accept a piece of real fruit for dessert instead of a popsicle.

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on October 03, 2010
at 12:05 AM

I ran into a guy at a store the other day. We got to talking and he mentioned his love of bacon and how he thought the real trick to eating healthy is to eat all natural whole unprocessed foods. He was basically eating mostly paleo but just did not have a special word for it. Of course, I immediately educated him on what to call it and he even loved the term for it! Even more cool, his friend had invented this bacon cooker that was fueled completely by.. wait for it... bacon grease! The bacon cooks and the bacon grease rolls down and fuels it. SO COOL!

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Yeah, it's like how to boil a frog. You coudl get him in part way and let him get accustomed to it. Once he is less addicted to the sugar, it might be easier to let go of the popsicle. THose things really don't even taste that good. Their main attraction is the sugar rush they provide.

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on October 02, 2010
at 11:52 PM

As usual, Eva, you pop in while I'm typing up my answer and totally do a better job of it! LOL!

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on October 02, 2010
at 11:39 PM

There is no one way to do paleo because there is no one person who invented it. It's more of a general theory that looks at both evolution and science. Since our understanding in both areas is continuing evolving, so will the diet. Also, paleo recognizes that each person is unique and no diet is one size fits all. You will need to tailor it according to your genetics, your willpower, and your individual tolerances and needs. Being super strict will do you no good if you are so strict that you cannot maintain compliance. But on the flip side, my personal opinion is it makes no sense to cut out fruit and then decide to cheat with a big popsicle. And that might create sugar cravings.

I personally see no reason why a popsicle could stop all other benefits of the diet though, as long as you can keep it to just that one popsicle. You will still benefit by eating healthy all the rest of the day. However, if it was me, I'd say leave in some Truvia and a tad of fruit and cut out the popsicle which has no health benefits at all. Fruit is more healthy than popsicle. However, if your husband finds he is able to eat very healthy otherwise and only eat one popsicle a day, and that makes him more amenable to the other changes, that could work as well.

Just that personally, I find that eating a bit of sugar just leads to me to eating more and more, just as a smoker trying to quit cannot be trusted to have 'just one more cigarette.' Whereas, for whatever reason, natural fruit does not do that as much for me. So that is one thing you will have to figure out by trial and error for yourself and your own body. One popsicle is not going to kill you, but it could well trigger continuing sugar addiction and prolonged sugar cravings. Or maybe not. Certainly, I have found that some people can generally follow the diet but have some mild cheats and still benefit greatly, whereas others must be much more strict in order to maintain control. Individual mileage may vary and the only way to find out for sure is to try it and see how it goes.

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on October 02, 2010
at 11:52 PM

As usual, Eva, you pop in while I'm typing up my answer and totally do a better job of it! LOL!

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on October 06, 2010
at 12:39 AM

I actually enjoy frozen whole fruit. I'd recommend trying that out. You can do frozen berries, mango or even something fresh/seasonal like figs (I cut them in half then froze them). That way, you get the sweet and frozen taste but you eat the fruit in-tact and don't just get a full-on sugar bomb with the fructose since the fiber is still with it. I'd look at the video "Sugar, the Bitter Truth" on YouTube about fructose.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM

4a1966b5bc00a9aefd3abd63b9913284

on October 06, 2010
at 08:04 PM

Re: dates/figs being fructose bombs... I will still always defend a whole fruit vs it's juice or any individual part of a fruit. Just saying... :)

Ba63c7e94661dab9e244b751a87154c3

(45)

on October 06, 2010
at 04:13 PM

Wow this is an amazing lecture and full of science and scary as hell. I recommend that folks watch this. This should be mandatory for all high school students to watch. Once again our national policy on food is omitting very important information to the public. This is why we are overweight and sickly. I have switched out popsicles for fresh half of a papaya with lime instead. I hope that is alright. Thank you Diane for posting this great link.

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22923)

on October 06, 2010
at 02:44 AM

I was writing a whole mess about whole food over frozen juice. This is great advice!

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22923)

on October 06, 2010
at 02:45 AM

Figs and Dates are fructose bombs tho, frozen berries and other low fructose options are best IMO

4a1966b5bc00a9aefd3abd63b9913284

on October 08, 2010
at 09:36 PM

My pleasure. We learned of it in my nutrition class- it's a great one and I've watched it a few times and will watch a few more I'm sure.

Ba63c7e94661dab9e244b751a87154c3

(45)

on October 07, 2010
at 04:10 PM

What I found interesting in the lecture this doctor did was he said that with the sugar that is with fruit it is much better since it is with fiber. He explained how it gets metabolized much better. So if you do have a craving for sweet you should go with the fruit. He backs this up with lots of science and I highly recommend that folks watch this video. In fact he even mentions Paleo diet towards the end. He explains in great detail how the different types of sweets break down in our bodies and how fructose is toxic in many ways. Robb Wolf says to avoid fruit for Fibromyalgia for long time.

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on October 02, 2010
at 11:38 PM

It seems pretty ridiculous to take all fruit out of your diet to lose weight, but at the same time retain a sugar icicle.

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on October 03, 2010
at 12:13 AM

I wonder if he'd accept a piece of real fruit for dessert instead of a popsicle.

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on October 05, 2010
at 11:23 PM

I don't know, I'm new to this too and if you said I couldn't have ANY fruit I'd say this is not the lifestyle I want! I have have always loved sweets and although I usually don't eat much fruit during the day, my favorite after dinner treat is frozen blueberries with just enough coconut milk/almond milk to coat them so the milk freezes. I stir it up and I basically have blueberry ice cream! Or just frozen mixed berries thawed out halfway so they are like delicious sorbet--but much much better.

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on October 06, 2010
at 10:04 AM

Welcome and berry up ;)

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on October 06, 2010
at 12:40 AM

I like the frozen berries thing too :)

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on October 03, 2010
at 12:10 AM

I feel like, if your husband is a sugar junkie, than, at least in the long-ish term the goal has got to be to change this if you're going to see substantial improvements in health/ weight loss. It's just a question of how to get there. As with many addictions, some withdrawal symptoms are probably inevitable.

I know it's hard, but going cold turkey is probably the way to go. Eat as much fruit as you want. But, as everyone has already said, it's got to be up to you. Try things out and do what works.

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on October 02, 2010
at 11:59 PM

I would think that a popsicle once or twice a week would be of no harm, if total carbs are low enough to keep the weight coming off and you are avoiding the artificial sweetners and grains, legumes and dairy. I struggle with blood sugar issues, not diabetic yet, but I bought a cheap glucose monitor at walmart and started to check my glucose levels after eating. It might be enough to keep me from ever needing to cheat :)

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on October 02, 2010
at 11:51 PM

I guess my first question is why you asked if "we" can cheat instead of "he". Does that mean you would eat a popsicle, too? If so, why? Would that make you feel deprived?

Personally, I'd say that if he really is only eating that one thing off-plan and whatever is in that popsicle doesn't cause other negative effects it's probably no big deal. If, however, that one leetle popsicle leads to sugar cravings like it did for me when I weighed over 300 it's probably not a good idea. Self-experimentation and (honest) assessment of the results is required.

You could also challenge him to do without for a month (barter down to a week if necessary) and see what he feels like then.

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on October 03, 2010
at 12:02 AM

Yeah, it's like how to boil a frog. You coudl get him in part way and let him get accustomed to it. Once he is less addicted to the sugar, it might be easier to let go of the popsicle. THose things really don't even taste that good. Their main attraction is the sugar rush they provide.

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on October 05, 2010
at 10:37 PM

I find that the more sugar I eat, the more I crave, and that the best way to deal with sweet cravings is to fight them. It's probably not the end of the world to have a single popsicle, but a piece of fruit would be more paleo and more nutritious...

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on October 02, 2010
at 11:51 PM

I've been doing "paleo" since about 7 years before the book was released, before anything at all was published. I started doing it quite by accident while I was learning to control my blood sugar to get rid of DMII symptoms, to stop using insulin, and to see if controlling these things would help alleviate the progression of my MS...all were successful in the attempt. I actually do have occasional cheats. Cheating makes my approach to be not strictly paleo, but it's not enough to change my metabolism from surviving on ingested fat (or stored fat when I had plenty of that) but in the end, it's still a successful way of life for myself and my family. Today our cheat for the week was very "not paleo" but it was one meal and the other 27 meals this week have been done right.

If it doesn't cause cravings, and you keep it controlled to once a week or once a month or whatever helps you keep sane with cravings under control, then it's ok. If a popsicle leads to a cheat meal, then a cheat day, then a cheat week... then it's best to be avoided. As the poster before me said...it's individual.

Good luck to you.

EDIT: One other thought. IF this ONE LITTLE THING. Helps you to be more successful with sticking with it as a way of life, then it's a good thing. If it makes it harder, then it's bad. Only you and your husband can answer that. Set yourself up for success, not failure.

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on October 03, 2010
at 12:05 AM

I ran into a guy at a store the other day. We got to talking and he mentioned his love of bacon and how he thought the real trick to eating healthy is to eat all natural whole unprocessed foods. He was basically eating mostly paleo but just did not have a special word for it. Of course, I immediately educated him on what to call it and he even loved the term for it! Even more cool, his friend had invented this bacon cooker that was fueled completely by.. wait for it... bacon grease! The bacon cooks and the bacon grease rolls down and fuels it. SO COOL!

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on October 06, 2010
at 05:33 PM

I agree that cutting out the sugary popsicle and adding a bit of fruit is the way to go. As a converted nighttime sweet treat eater, sugar is a huge trigger for me. After several weeks of breaking the sugar habit, my cravings are minimal. Now, if I want a little after dinner treat, I have 1/2 cup of frozen berries, raspberries, blueberries, etc. with some fresh whipped cream. Yes, I still include some full-fat dairy. You could also make some whipped coconut milk to serve on top. For me, adding a creamy topping helps balance out the carbs and keeps my insulin levels from rising.

You might also try supplementing with L-Glutamine, an amino acid, which helps with carb cravings. Sometimes, when I feel a craving coming, I will pour a capsule of L-glutamine on my tongue. After a few minutes, the craving subsides. This was especially helpful during my first few weeks without much sugar.

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on October 07, 2010
at 04:22 PM

Not sure about this. Since I have Fibromyalgia, in 10-5-10 radio session Robb Wolf says that condition is heavy insulin resistant and says to stay off of fruit for a long time for lower carbs. Also Omega 3 an 6 imbalance. Also use Natural Calm before bedtime which I plan to pick up today. I think now I have to avoid any type of sweets for a long time. Do you know if this supplement will mess up my insulin more or omega balance or affect sleep?

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on October 11, 2010
at 03:06 AM

I am recovering from Fibro and had a lot of success with various amino acid supplementation. The L-glutamine should not make your insulin levels worse. Try Chromium Picolinate to help regulate insulin. D-Ribose chewables are great for energy, Magnesium Malate for overall achiness, Tyrosine for a morning wake-up and Taurine & 5-htp at bedtime. Cutting gluten and fake sweeteners out of my diet made a huge difference in my pain. Paleo over a year, I recently cut way back on fruit, which helped my energy and insulin levels. You may need to check your ferritin and Vit D levels also.

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