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My Father, Paleo and Statins, Encouragement

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created February 15, 2011 at 8:25 PM

Background: My father has always been overweight with little to no exercise. In March 2010 I got him to give primal / paleo a try. When he finally agreed, he was 264lbs, 5'10", sedentary. He has been on Statins, BP meds for as long as he can remember. Our goal was to get him to lose weight and ditch the meds.

He's been doing really well. He is down about 60lbs! and got his Dr. to let him ditch the statins. After 3 months of no statins, his cholesterol numbers went up and now the Dr. wants him back on them. I was able to get some lab results from before he went Paleo, then Paleo, then Paleo without Statins. I'm not to good on the science yet, so I was hoping the brilliant minds of PaleoHacks could help me give him the necessary info to help him make the make the best decision for himself.


9/2008 - SAD, Statins

  • Cholesterol - 174
  • HDL - 44
  • LDL - 108
  • Trigs - 112

6/2009 - SAD, Statins

  • Cholesterol - 200
  • HDL - 47
  • LDL - n/a
  • Trigs - n/a

5/2010 - Paleo, Statins

  • Cholesterol - 167
  • HDL - 48
  • LDL - 102
  • Trigs - 83

8/2010 - Paleo, NO Statins

  • Cholesterol - 187
  • HDL - 60
  • LDL - 111
  • Trigs - 82

11/2010 - Paleo, NO Statins

  • Cholesterol - 269
  • HDL - 59
  • LDL - 194
  • Trigs - 82

I'm no expert, but his HDL is going up and trigs are going down (good stuff right?)... but the Dr. and my Mom are very worried about the LDL and Total C jump. He's kind of stuck between what he should do. He feels great, exercises and is happy, but the CW pressure and him not doing enough of the research on his own to fully understand it all, along with growing up in the SAD, CW Climate.. is making him second guess.

Any input is appreciated :)

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on February 16, 2011
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oh yeah -- couple MORE! http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/?s=statin The Eades ROCK!! And it goes without saying Harris is R O C K S T A R . . . http://www.paleonu.com/panu-weblog/2011/2/14/a-quick-post-on-fh-and-statins.html http://www.paleonu.com/panu-weblog/2010/7/21/statins-and-the-cholesterol-hypothesis-part-i.html

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Thanks, Grace. I appreciate the info. I will check out those links and forward on to him.

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He is trying to get that test done through his Dr. before they make the decision on Statins, or no Statins. I do frequently read most, if not all, of the people you mention.. just trying to learn how it all works at the same time :)

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3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

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Todd,

Congratulations on your father's transformation toward optimal health!!

Has your father read the below citations referenced? http://nephropal.blogspot.com/2010/05/overview-of-transporters-every-vital.html http://www.marksdailyapple.com/statins-do-not-decrease-smalld-dense-ldl-cholesterol/

The TGs will generally still be mildly elevated in some cases during and after enormous wt loss. Amazing results, again!

Even Davis, a conventionalist by paleo standards, stopped Crestor in 2010 (fyi he's not paleo).

Only dietary saturated fats and cholesterol (egg yolks) can substantially improve the HDL which are cardio- and immuno-protective, in addition to fasting, exercise, low carb/ketosis and wt loss. Niacin does reverse heart disease but only because it emulates the above (fasting, ketosis/low carb, exercise, wt loss (burning your own *ss fat). However niacin causes a host of problmes -- liver issues, insulin resistance, high uric acid, gout, sometimes wt gain, muscle issues like statins and rarely arteritis (probably in the absence of dietary sat fats).

Good luck and to continue to hear updates about his progress here!

G

50637dfd7dc7a7e811d82283f4f5fd10

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on February 16, 2011
at 10:54 PM

Thanks, Grace. I appreciate the info. I will check out those links and forward on to him.

3864f9a2af09b1b447c7963058650a34

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on February 16, 2011
at 11:07 PM

oh yeah -- couple MORE! http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/?s=statin The Eades ROCK!! And it goes without saying Harris is R O C K S T A R . . . http://www.paleonu.com/panu-weblog/2011/2/14/a-quick-post-on-fh-and-statins.html http://www.paleonu.com/panu-weblog/2010/7/21/statins-and-the-cholesterol-hypothesis-part-i.html

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on February 15, 2011
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Have him get a lioprotein analysis. It is common to have LDL count go higher on Paleo, but it doesn't mean that's bad. LDL particle type and oxLDL is what's important. His LDL 'calculation' might have gone up, but his LDL health likely improved. If a VAP test reveals that his LDL is dominated by large, bouyant particles, this is a positive sign and he can relax about the total count. If it shows his LDL is dominated by small, dense particles, this would be something to be concerned about. Without knowing, what I see with these numbers is a good sign. Specifically, healthy or high HDL combined with low trigs usually correlates with pattern A (large, bouyant) dominance of LDL.

Make no mistake.. mainstream's interpretation of cholesterol 'lipid' numbers are woefully off course, and it is far better to get the straight and skinny from guys like chris masterjohn, chris kresser, stephan guyenet, dr davis, and kurt harris.

hope that helps,

jack kronk

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on February 15, 2011
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He is trying to get that test done through his Dr. before they make the decision on Statins, or no Statins. I do frequently read most, if not all, of the people you mention.. just trying to learn how it all works at the same time :)

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