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Mushrooms as an Evolutionary Food

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created March 15, 2013 at 7:52 PM

I recently followed a link on paleohack to a previous topic about psilocybin (magic) mushrooms helping with under eye dark circles & then someone mentioned magic mushrooms being paleo, i laughed but its so true, then i got to thinking about theories i'd heard about psilocybin mushrooms, and how ridiculously linked they could be in this whole 'eat what you evolved to eat' diet

Terrence McKenna was a big figure in the psychedelic community and he put forward the theory that part of our evolution, particularly our communication/linguistic skills, possibly pre-frontal cortex development, was somehow catalyzed by psilocybin mushroom use during the transition from homo erectus to homo sapien

"He based his theory on the main effects, or alleged effects, produced by the mushroom. One of the effects that comes about from the ingestion of low doses, which agrees with one of scientist Roland Fischer's findings from the late 1960s-early 1970s,[25] is it significantly improves the visual acuity of humans - so theoretically, of other human-like mammals too. According to McKenna, this effect would have definitely proven to be of evolutionary advantage to humans' omnivorous hunter-gatherer ancestors that would have stumbled upon it "accidentally"; as it would make it easier for them to hunt"

Its just a theory, but its a fact that psilocybin mushrooms would've been actively sought out & taken by humans for many years, there solid proof of at least 6,000 BC, and strong evidence for 9,000 BC, i see no reason why they wouldn't have been used for millions of years

EDIT: Do you guys think that mushrooms could be an evolutionary tool? How do you think they may have been utilized by our ancestors?

De1095b2ba29c1035f00428cbfe3cc7c

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on March 16, 2013
at 03:59 PM

How do you dissmiss it so easily? From my own experience i'd say that at low doses they can clear the mind and objects look sharper/brighter, experientially its irrefutable, so i can't so easily say that they wouldn't benefit survival. At higher doses they definitely wouldn't help you survive as well whilst under the influence, but in the long term i think the 'trips' would bring a deeper awareness of ones environment, as they do at low doses, and being aware of one environment must in some way provide an evolutionary advantage as we evolve with the environment?

De1095b2ba29c1035f00428cbfe3cc7c

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on March 16, 2013
at 03:48 PM

thanks for not closing it, and thanks for editing it

De1095b2ba29c1035f00428cbfe3cc7c

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on March 16, 2013
at 03:48 PM

watching, cheers

De1095b2ba29c1035f00428cbfe3cc7c

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on March 16, 2013
at 03:47 PM

I read it years ago but thanks for mentioning it

De1095b2ba29c1035f00428cbfe3cc7c

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on March 16, 2013
at 03:47 PM

i understand what you mean about shrooms being about love, but i don't think at low doses they would cause a moral dilema when it comes to hunting, i do think that you'd feel more empathy towards your prey but if anything the kill could just be more dignified

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

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on March 16, 2013
at 02:20 AM

I was kinda being funny with "lol moving striped zebra friend." Doesn't mean I don't understand how shrooms affect vision.

3327924660b1e2f8f8fc4ca27fedf2b2

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on March 16, 2013
at 01:43 AM

You misunderstand the way mushrooms affect vision. You're not supposed to take a sufficient dosage to be tripping balls, but even if you do, your vision improves also.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

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on March 15, 2013
at 11:40 PM

lol... so many threads get shut down because they're simply not questions. As if a worthwhile discussion can't be had, regardless. I assumed that's where you were headed by asking. Forgive...

Cc3ce03985eac5ebcbb95fc2329f13b0

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on March 15, 2013
at 10:32 PM

How is asking what his question is militant? I honestly think some people on this forum must have a constant nagging and belittling voice in their head reading this stuff to them. I didn't see the question, I asked.

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on March 15, 2013
at 09:04 PM

Your move, Trebek.

72cf727474b8bf815fdc505e58cadfea

on March 15, 2013
at 08:15 PM

@kashkillz I have to keep reminding myself that even though this site uses the stackexchange engine, it's not a stackexchange site. Those guys are _definitely_ militant about posts being answerable questions.

72cf727474b8bf815fdc505e58cadfea

on March 15, 2013
at 08:13 PM

So you mean that you worship this theory and harvest mind-expanding substances from it?

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

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on March 15, 2013
at 08:04 PM

Fixed it. Hope that's okay, RA, just didn't want your question to be closed because I agree it could be way interesting!

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

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on March 15, 2013
at 08:02 PM

You guys don't have to be so militant all the time, do you? This is an interesting statement that can lead to an interesting discussion. Relax a bit...

De1095b2ba29c1035f00428cbfe3cc7c

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on March 15, 2013
at 07:56 PM

has anyone else had the same thoughts? :p

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on March 15, 2013
at 08:07 PM

I am pretty sure paleo people consumed psychoactives. It's not like they are hard to find in nature. I am also pretty sure that the theory about how the enhanced visual acuity while tripping makes your a better hunter and conveys an evolutionary advantage is a pile of bovine excrement.

De1095b2ba29c1035f00428cbfe3cc7c

(777)

on March 16, 2013
at 03:59 PM

How do you dissmiss it so easily? From my own experience i'd say that at low doses they can clear the mind and objects look sharper/brighter, experientially its irrefutable, so i can't so easily say that they wouldn't benefit survival. At higher doses they definitely wouldn't help you survive as well whilst under the influence, but in the long term i think the 'trips' would bring a deeper awareness of ones environment, as they do at low doses, and being aware of one environment must in some way provide an evolutionary advantage as we evolve with the environment?

72cf727474b8bf815fdc505e58cadfea

on March 15, 2013
at 08:13 PM

So you mean that you worship this theory and harvest mind-expanding substances from it?

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61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10490)

on March 15, 2013
at 08:02 PM

While magic mushrooms do enhance visual acuity - I can't imagine that being useful in hunting. "Whoa, lookit the way the stripes on that zebra move! OMG I'm totally trippin, cavepeeps. I wonder if it wants to be friends?"

Shrooms are definitely for lovers, not fighters. :)

De1095b2ba29c1035f00428cbfe3cc7c

(777)

on March 16, 2013
at 03:47 PM

i understand what you mean about shrooms being about love, but i don't think at low doses they would cause a moral dilema when it comes to hunting, i do think that you'd feel more empathy towards your prey but if anything the kill could just be more dignified

3327924660b1e2f8f8fc4ca27fedf2b2

(2919)

on March 16, 2013
at 01:43 AM

You misunderstand the way mushrooms affect vision. You're not supposed to take a sufficient dosage to be tripping balls, but even if you do, your vision improves also.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10490)

on March 16, 2013
at 02:20 AM

I was kinda being funny with "lol moving striped zebra friend." Doesn't mean I don't understand how shrooms affect vision.

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Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

on March 15, 2013
at 08:16 PM

Graham Hancock takes it even further, suggesting that the current chaotic state of humanity is a result of DEvolution stemming from the prohibition of these powerful spiritual aides.

Check out the lecture he gave at TED...

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CDQQtwIwAg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DxcX2fSWZeP8&ei=b4FDUa2FMcbl4AOU74CwBA&usg=AFQjCNEpCMlIX3f0E_cl_NhzgXYNw_uB0A

De1095b2ba29c1035f00428cbfe3cc7c

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on March 16, 2013
at 03:48 PM

watching, cheers

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Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

on March 15, 2013
at 08:08 PM

McKenna's book "Food of the Gods" is the read you're after, RA...

Another postulation of his is that, across most early civilizations, the cow is considered sacred, even to be god itself. Could this be from the findings of psilocybin growing out of the cow's waste? Early man would have absolutely no notion that mushrooms grow from spores that colonize the cow patties. They just see a cow poop, the next morning there's food in it... eat it and have a profound experience.

He also has some interesting theories on psilocybin and the possibility that it had enabled the development of spoken language.

Read it, it's a good one.

De1095b2ba29c1035f00428cbfe3cc7c

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on March 16, 2013
at 03:47 PM

I read it years ago but thanks for mentioning it

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Cc3ce03985eac5ebcbb95fc2329f13b0

on March 15, 2013
at 07:54 PM

And what is your question?

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10490)

on March 15, 2013
at 08:04 PM

Fixed it. Hope that's okay, RA, just didn't want your question to be closed because I agree it could be way interesting!

De1095b2ba29c1035f00428cbfe3cc7c

(777)

on March 15, 2013
at 07:56 PM

has anyone else had the same thoughts? :p

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on March 15, 2013
at 11:40 PM

lol... so many threads get shut down because they're simply not questions. As if a worthwhile discussion can't be had, regardless. I assumed that's where you were headed by asking. Forgive...

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on March 15, 2013
at 08:02 PM

You guys don't have to be so militant all the time, do you? This is an interesting statement that can lead to an interesting discussion. Relax a bit...

Cc3ce03985eac5ebcbb95fc2329f13b0

(7370)

on March 15, 2013
at 10:32 PM

How is asking what his question is militant? I honestly think some people on this forum must have a constant nagging and belittling voice in their head reading this stuff to them. I didn't see the question, I asked.

De1095b2ba29c1035f00428cbfe3cc7c

(777)

on March 16, 2013
at 03:48 PM

thanks for not closing it, and thanks for editing it

Medium avatar

(39821)

on March 15, 2013
at 09:04 PM

Your move, Trebek.

72cf727474b8bf815fdc505e58cadfea

on March 15, 2013
at 08:15 PM

@kashkillz I have to keep reminding myself that even though this site uses the stackexchange engine, it's not a stackexchange site. Those guys are _definitely_ militant about posts being answerable questions.

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