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Answered on September 12, 2014
Created August 27, 2012 at 11:49 AM

Lets eliminate down votes because at the end of the day they have no purpose except to annoy when someone answers a questions honestly and with facts but people just do not agree and get aggravated. Second, lets move higher voted answers to the top instead of leaving them wherever they fall in time wise. What sayeth y'all?

7bf306ada57db47547e9da39a415edf6

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on August 27, 2012
at 09:33 PM

The real question is how to get the knowledge out of the site. This is seldom as straightforward as asking a question or finding one similar to yours. Nor does voting necessarily help much, since the knowledge one requires is not necessarily in sync with the fad of the day.

93f44e8673d3ea2294cce085ebc96e13

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on August 27, 2012
at 09:12 PM

"Second, lets move higher voted answers to the top instead of leaving them wherever they fall in time wise." -- click on the tab that says "votes" for same effect.

6d64cd6dc98d6ab763bd03678a317964

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on August 27, 2012
at 05:09 PM

Hahaha. I got down voted for this? To whomever did it... your hilarious. :p

Cebbca9a78d5612bf3468b273c2010d5

(452)

on August 27, 2012
at 03:12 PM

I thought maybe it was a "sarcastic" downvote (if that even makes sense...)

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on August 27, 2012
at 02:20 PM

Who knows...it's one of the reasons why foreveryoung bitches about anonymous down voting!

Cebbca9a78d5612bf3468b273c2010d5

(452)

on August 27, 2012
at 01:50 PM

Why was Monte's answer downvoted?

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on August 27, 2012
at 01:28 PM

how often does someone who gives a thoughtful answer and get downvoted? i'm sure it happens but i'd say the majority of the downvotes happen when either someone disagrees with the premise of an answer or if the answer is in some way provoking or insulting whether intentional or not.

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on August 27, 2012
at 01:26 PM

yeah but how do you figure out the motive of someone's downvote? it's literally impossible unless they comment saying "i downvoted to annoy you" which obviously doesn't happen. maybe they have a legitimate reason why they want to downvote but don't have the time or don't feel the need to explain themselves. people anonymously upvote all the time and no one seems to have a problem with it, why should downvotes be any different?

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on August 27, 2012
at 01:21 PM

The biggest problem with the transparency is retaliation. I had a disagreement with someone, pointed out the inaccuracies in their statement, explained why I downvoted their answer, so they downvoted me in retaliation. NOT COOL.

Cebbca9a78d5612bf3468b273c2010d5

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on August 27, 2012
at 01:10 PM

When you sort by time, you can quickly see the newer answer since you last visited, which may or may not get lost in the middle when sorted according to votes.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

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on August 27, 2012
at 01:10 PM

Some ideas are just not widely accepted on PH (perhaps in Bill's case he is feeling the burn of "a calorie is a calorie" argument) and those that espouse them either need to understand that others don't agree and deal with the downvotes, or see why others don't agree and modify their views. Or be quiet. Either way, I don't see the voting system as a problem.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

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on August 27, 2012
at 01:09 PM

Jake, the question comes down to why down votes are used. In your scenario, certainly down voting is the right option. Disagreements are good.

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on August 27, 2012
at 11:53 AM

No, don't remove down voting- remove the ability to down vote anonymously.

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3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

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on August 27, 2012
at 12:06 PM

Bill, under answers there are three tabs, "oldest", "newest", "votes". I leave mine selected on votes which pushes the top votes to the top. So like Ron Popeil says, "Set it, and forget it..."

WRT your first point, I have not seen the down votes used in the way you describe. The one thing I have seen is if I get into a debate with someone, the immediately my old answers suddenly get down voted -- Its childish, but it is what it is. For the most part I think that this is one of the better community generated pages out there, and MOST people don't act childish.

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on August 27, 2012
at 12:50 PM

i don't get why people get so offended at down votes... god forbid someone disagrees with them or doesn't like their answer.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10480)

on August 27, 2012
at 01:10 PM

Some ideas are just not widely accepted on PH (perhaps in Bill's case he is feeling the burn of "a calorie is a calorie" argument) and those that espouse them either need to understand that others don't agree and deal with the downvotes, or see why others don't agree and modify their views. Or be quiet. Either way, I don't see the voting system as a problem.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on August 27, 2012
at 01:09 PM

Jake, the question comes down to why down votes are used. In your scenario, certainly down voting is the right option. Disagreements are good.

Medium avatar

(2338)

on August 27, 2012
at 01:26 PM

yeah but how do you figure out the motive of someone's downvote? it's literally impossible unless they comment saying "i downvoted to annoy you" which obviously doesn't happen. maybe they have a legitimate reason why they want to downvote but don't have the time or don't feel the need to explain themselves. people anonymously upvote all the time and no one seems to have a problem with it, why should downvotes be any different?

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on August 28, 2012
at 06:23 AM

Downvotes are not the problem. Anonymity of downvotes is the problem.

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6d64cd6dc98d6ab763bd03678a317964

(2177)

on August 27, 2012
at 01:14 PM

People keep asking what is so bad about down votes. Let me play devil's advocate here:

When someone takes time out of their day to give a damn about your question and your situation and they tell you something, regardless of the merit of the advice, you should be able to acknowledge them for that or politely ignore it. Who the hell raises their hand in class just so it can get slapped if they get the wrong answer?

People vote on things all the time. It's a natural way to decide on a direction in any community of like minded individuals. But where the hell do we see a penalty for disagreeing?

Oh yeah, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Syria, China...

That said, if down votes are to continue we should do two things:

  1. Register the site with facebook or some other form of verification like disqus for those don't do "social" media.

  2. Make all voting transparent.... If our congress can do it in the USA (where this site is hosted) we damn sure can...

Medium avatar

(2338)

on August 27, 2012
at 01:28 PM

how often does someone who gives a thoughtful answer and get downvoted? i'm sure it happens but i'd say the majority of the downvotes happen when either someone disagrees with the premise of an answer or if the answer is in some way provoking or insulting whether intentional or not.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on August 27, 2012
at 01:21 PM

The biggest problem with the transparency is retaliation. I had a disagreement with someone, pointed out the inaccuracies in their statement, explained why I downvoted their answer, so they downvoted me in retaliation. NOT COOL.

Cebbca9a78d5612bf3468b273c2010d5

(452)

on August 27, 2012
at 01:50 PM

Why was Monte's answer downvoted?

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on August 27, 2012
at 02:20 PM

Who knows...it's one of the reasons why foreveryoung bitches about anonymous down voting!

6d64cd6dc98d6ab763bd03678a317964

(2177)

on August 27, 2012
at 05:09 PM

Hahaha. I got down voted for this? To whomever did it... your hilarious. :p

Cebbca9a78d5612bf3468b273c2010d5

(452)

on August 27, 2012
at 03:12 PM

I thought maybe it was a "sarcastic" downvote (if that even makes sense...)

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32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on August 27, 2012
at 12:05 PM

More votes means top of the page, not sure what time has to do with it (except in the case of a vote tie).

Cebbca9a78d5612bf3468b273c2010d5

(452)

on August 27, 2012
at 01:10 PM

When you sort by time, you can quickly see the newer answer since you last visited, which may or may not get lost in the middle when sorted according to votes.

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