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Maybe we're over thinking things a bit?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created July 21, 2012 at 10:46 PM

Due to total and utter boredom I decided to check out some of the paleohacks question listings; Maybe I'd find some new and interesting ideas or theories in question. So I arrive only to find questions titled "fluorescent urine" which questions how multivitamins are influencing urine color, "Excessive hunger after dinner" which is probably the millionth post about someone eating lean meats and boat loads of veggies and is still hungry (hmm..i wonder why)--after which they get the same answer that 90% of people on this website get, which is the obvious "You're not eating enough fat!" mantra.

Other questions include "Cure low stomach acidity with lemon and coconut oil fast/detox", where someone is trying to reignite their appetite with lemon juice and coconut oil after they probably self diagnosed themselves with some bogus condition and are searching for some strange "holistic" cure.

The reason paleo was initially attractive was due to it's followers questioning the mainstream advice that seemed to fail the majority of people. The beauty was that we all had gut instincts that seemed true, and we supported these instincts with science. Now all that I see paleo has become is just a bunch of people troubleshooting -- or should i say "hacking"-- away every hypochondriac tendency and trying to bury every difficulty in one hack or another.

The truth as I see it is that every endeavor has its difficulties. Losing weight will be difficult when you reduce the reward value of your food, sometimes you'll need to bite the bullet in orthorexic terms and just eat some pizza and drink some beer when your appetite is down in the dumps, and on occasion you'll just feel awful and there's no food or hack in the world that will magically take it away.

Life is difficult, but that doesn't mean we need to make it unnecessarily complicated. Let's question the realms of instituted knowledge and mainstay advice as much as we can. But at the same time, leave those questions about our pee being strange colored for some other venue.

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on July 25, 2012
at 12:42 AM

I generally agree with you and I also blame myself for taking small things too seriously.

782d92f4127823bdfb2ddfcbcf961d0e

(5231)

on July 24, 2012
at 09:15 PM

I think the community wiki recycles questions that don't have an accepted answer. Personally, I have found that I don't need to ask many questions--the ones I have I can often find the answer to by using the search feature.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10480)

on July 24, 2012
at 03:31 AM

+1 for "cow-orkers," intentional or not. I totally LOL'd.

C8b2136ef95ba6aac211825ff38cc0e9

(971)

on July 23, 2012
at 02:19 PM

Ha, Minority Report. ^^^^^^What Jaimie said! I don't mind HuntingBears question. It wasn't the most insightful, but neither are mine and I knew it was B vitamins, but not riboflavin specifically. We'll see how long that lasts in the old brain, may have replaced one of the very important steps of performing CPR.

C8b2136ef95ba6aac211825ff38cc0e9

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on July 23, 2012
at 02:14 PM

I hear you, I'm just not sure you can eliminate humanity on a wikiboard. Or limit IQ range. Or weed out the naive, coddled, sheltered, ignorant and just generally confused. I do think you can influence through your answers. I'm just not jaded and awesome enough to favor a "deleted due to stupidity" (or "mind numbingly boring", "couldn't care less", "screw off you moron") button. Maybe I'm an optimist. I did like some of the suggestions on the other thread for changing the layout. I think repeat questions should be discouraged, but are sometimes helpful. I enjoy some of the crazy questions.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

(20436)

on July 22, 2012
at 09:04 PM

I have an itch, should I scratch it?

F1b82cc7e6d90384ad30007dd6c1b9e3

(1187)

on July 22, 2012
at 08:34 PM

Thanks for your explanation, Ed.

F1b82cc7e6d90384ad30007dd6c1b9e3

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on July 22, 2012
at 08:33 PM

really, so what if a question is repeated, maybe the tags used didn't pinpoint the concern? no one reads old posts, they want fresh stuff.

F1b82cc7e6d90384ad30007dd6c1b9e3

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on July 22, 2012
at 08:32 PM

Karen, cute with the eyes roll. Thanks for your opinion. If you really care about mine, you'd ask for more information and I'd be glad to share. But you already said you refuse to read the book I suggested. Now you are carrying this over onto another separate post? sad.

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on July 22, 2012
at 07:52 PM

Well said. I would venture that life is very much "gray" and that "black & white" thinking is a symptom of our discomfort with the subtleties of reality. Rules give us the illusion of control (over our own bodies or others) and are therefore popular, but ultimately they disappoint when the shit gets real.

Dfeb3c1ef269c5dc03154d1689c14373

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on July 22, 2012
at 03:29 PM

could've sworn that wasn't all i said....."Losing weight will be difficult when you reduce the reward value of your food, sometimes you'll need to bite the bullet in orthorexic terms and just eat some pizza and drink some beer when your appetite is down in the dumps, and on occasion you'll just feel awful and there's no food or hack in the world that will magically take it away."

D83e454e794d761ab524814c0ff8f838

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on July 22, 2012
at 03:25 PM

Yes, there are some seriously OCD folks on here, but so what? Ignore their questions. I think a lot of these types of questions come out of fear that you are seriously damaging your body, whether it's rational or not. Some of these questions come from folks with serious health problems, their doctors have failed them, and when they start tampering with their food intake and chemistry, they get freaked out. I have definitely freaked the hell out while on this diet in the last 2 years, and hacking has been a great support.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on July 22, 2012
at 01:29 PM

Hey all- I deleted a troll comment above, so the conversational flow may not make sense. Also, don't troll. We will find you using our Minority Report like moderating technology.

7cf9f5b08a41ecf2a2d2bc0b31ea6fa0

(4176)

on July 22, 2012
at 11:48 AM

'But at the same time, leave those questions about our pee being strange colored for some other venue' sorry my question didn't meet your high standards, could you suggest some that do? And we're not all trying to lose weight so shut the fuck up

C4134ed417dbc0a6b79ab2cee32632d3

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on July 22, 2012
at 07:42 AM

Way to make things personal. Trolling is such a cowardly hobby. If you're going to say something, say it to someone's face and not being a pseudonym, eh?

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10480)

on July 22, 2012
at 07:40 AM

Agreed! I have heard "God is in the details" which I like in a heathen sort of way. But yeah... not every detail is Paleo, or even related to diet or health. There are some dumb questions, but I find this place to be quite worthwhile, overall.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10480)

on July 22, 2012
at 07:37 AM

I have gotten a lot of very helpful and useful information here, but I have also seen many things that just make me shake my head in dismay. That being said, sometimes it is more fun to do some light trolling (not that I think that's what Jackson is doing) than to just move on, if the experience is still mostly positive. That's also how I feel about reading comments on SciAm and George Takei's FB page. :)

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10480)

on July 22, 2012
at 06:42 AM

Well, you seem like a very reasonable person yourself, Crowlover! :) And Jamie, here is the thread I had in mind when I said that: http://paleohacks.com/questions/115392/any-tricks-to-get-away-with-not-bathing#axzz21KaMU2Q5

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on July 22, 2012
at 06:39 AM

PH = haven for OCD orthorexics. Overseen by cowardly, humorless mods. (Hey Melissa: It's no wonder your ex is with Minger...)

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

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on July 22, 2012
at 06:27 AM

Nothing and I do mean NOTHING of any significance would ever get invented or accomplished, if not for somebody's "obsessing". More people ought to obsess about their diet and health....

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

(4413)

on July 22, 2012
at 05:54 AM

I like you Luckie!

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

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on July 22, 2012
at 05:38 AM

Surely paleo man submersed themselves in water time to time. Where would anyone get the idea early man was water phobic? Could u link the thread? I am curious...

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

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on July 22, 2012
at 05:36 AM

You can't change the people who are attracted to a lifestyle, or the people who visit a popular public forum. You could alter the format of said forum, or downvote the less relevant questions, but purely in terms of questions or people you dont like, my advice: Just get over it. Life is full of disappointments and imperfections. Its easier to change what you can, and accept what you cant.

0d0842381492a41b2173a04014aae810

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on July 22, 2012
at 04:41 AM

"A lie told often enough becomes the truth." was Lenin. Good thing I double checked, I almost said Marx...

6426d61a13689f8f651164b10f121d64

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on July 22, 2012
at 04:12 AM

actually, responding to any question, including old questions, does move the question to the top of the "recent questions" list. Also, if your answer to an old question nets at least 5 upvotes, you will earn the "necromancer" badge.

Fbc96b9fc16d000fe2994759f02c4727

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on July 22, 2012
at 02:03 AM

I whole-heartedly agree! Always good to revist a question, and recent responses should move the question to the top.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on July 22, 2012
at 01:55 AM

Ahhhh dont we love commercialism, marketing, and capitallism. Weeeee. If something is repeated often enough it rings true....dunno who said that, but this site if full of smart people and I'm sure one can tell us ;)

239bcbf6d0013fd74890f5c7305daf64

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on July 22, 2012
at 12:38 AM

Or maybe we need a special 'form' for the questions we see a lot.

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

(11581)

on July 22, 2012
at 12:36 AM

Says the woman who claims that 72 gms of carb/day is the perfect amount for everyone. *rolls eyes*

F1b82cc7e6d90384ad30007dd6c1b9e3

(1187)

on July 21, 2012
at 11:53 PM

Yes, some folks on here are way too OCD and I get really irritated by some of the questions and some of the answers. And then when I share a scientifically valid point, I get thrown to the wolves. A lot of this site is just ridiculous.

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on July 21, 2012
at 11:23 PM

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1c67bc28f4e44bbb8770b86df0463df3

on July 21, 2012
at 11:25 PM

Some people are a little insecure embracing their inner caverperson, and possibly not used to using critical thinking, and also somewhat brainwashed by our government and most certainly brain washed by advertising.

Things like '8 Servings of Grains a day!', 'Breakfast is the most important meal', 'There are starving children in china so you have to finish everything', are all difficult things to let go of. They are all completely wrong, 100% wrong, but yet they linger in our minds.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on July 22, 2012
at 01:55 AM

Ahhhh dont we love commercialism, marketing, and capitallism. Weeeee. If something is repeated often enough it rings true....dunno who said that, but this site if full of smart people and I'm sure one can tell us ;)

0d0842381492a41b2173a04014aae810

(4875)

on July 22, 2012
at 04:41 AM

"A lie told often enough becomes the truth." was Lenin. Good thing I double checked, I almost said Marx...

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C8b2136ef95ba6aac211825ff38cc0e9

on September 07, 2013
at 12:44 AM

Maybe overthinking what other people are thinking about?

1c67bc28f4e44bbb8770b86df0463df3

(6719)

on July 21, 2012
at 11:23 PM

indeeeeeeeeeeed

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

(20436)

on July 22, 2012
at 09:04 PM

I have an itch, should I scratch it?

C8b2136ef95ba6aac211825ff38cc0e9

(971)

on July 23, 2012
at 02:14 PM

I hear you, I'm just not sure you can eliminate humanity on a wikiboard. Or limit IQ range. Or weed out the naive, coddled, sheltered, ignorant and just generally confused. I do think you can influence through your answers. I'm just not jaded and awesome enough to favor a "deleted due to stupidity" (or "mind numbingly boring", "couldn't care less", "screw off you moron") button. Maybe I'm an optimist. I did like some of the suggestions on the other thread for changing the layout. I think repeat questions should be discouraged, but are sometimes helpful. I enjoy some of the crazy questions.

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03a4ec34751186201a56da298ac843ce

on July 22, 2012
at 12:33 AM

Many of the questions you would like to see asked have already been asked!

Out of fear of being yelled at for redundantly posting a question (even if it was posted over a year ago and answered by people who are no longer members) a lot of people have stopped asking such relevant questions.

I think Paleohacks could certainly improve if questions more than 6 months old were allowed to be "recycled." This would allow for new perspectives from new members and allow for new answers as science makes new answers available.

At the very least, when responding to older questions, a new response should move the question to the top of the "new question" list.

239bcbf6d0013fd74890f5c7305daf64

(664)

on July 22, 2012
at 12:38 AM

Or maybe we need a special 'form' for the questions we see a lot.

6426d61a13689f8f651164b10f121d64

(11488)

on July 22, 2012
at 04:12 AM

actually, responding to any question, including old questions, does move the question to the top of the "recent questions" list. Also, if your answer to an old question nets at least 5 upvotes, you will earn the "necromancer" badge.

F1b82cc7e6d90384ad30007dd6c1b9e3

(1187)

on July 22, 2012
at 08:33 PM

really, so what if a question is repeated, maybe the tags used didn't pinpoint the concern? no one reads old posts, they want fresh stuff.

Fbc96b9fc16d000fe2994759f02c4727

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on July 22, 2012
at 02:03 AM

I whole-heartedly agree! Always good to revist a question, and recent responses should move the question to the top.

F1b82cc7e6d90384ad30007dd6c1b9e3

(1187)

on July 22, 2012
at 08:34 PM

Thanks for your explanation, Ed.

782d92f4127823bdfb2ddfcbcf961d0e

(5231)

on July 24, 2012
at 09:15 PM

I think the community wiki recycles questions that don't have an accepted answer. Personally, I have found that I don't need to ask many questions--the ones I have I can often find the answer to by using the search feature.

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239bcbf6d0013fd74890f5c7305daf64

on July 22, 2012
at 12:03 AM

I like this post because I have been thinking something about eating Paleo lately. It is really pretty darned simple. Eat the following...meat, veggies, and fruit. To be sure there are nuts and other things to consider, but those three items will pretty much hit most of the high points. My wife is really the true 85/15 type (I am more like 90/10 or better) and she remarked to me that she is loosing weight and it is far easier than she tought it would be. Got me to thinking.

Maybe you are right...maybe we are overthinking the Paleo thing. There are tons of posts on these forums where the same advice is given, good advice btw, but we also keep reacting to the same questions. Maybe we need a thread for people to just simply say, "hey...I ate 100% paleo today and I want a little pat on the back because gosh that cheescake was tempting!" And no one will ever tell them if they should have eaten it or not...or what they effect could be.

Hey everyone...I am one month on Paleo and I have lost 20lbs and my clothes feel loose. I feel great and aside from a few pot holes, I have stayed true to my cause. I am happy! That is what is truely important here.

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7cf9f5b08a41ecf2a2d2bc0b31ea6fa0

on July 22, 2012
at 11:46 AM

If we can't ask questions on the internet without inhibitions there's a problem, you speak about overthinking but isn't that what you're doing in this post?

'Losing weight will be difficult when you reduce the reward value of your food'

We're not all here to lose weight you know, and frankly that aspect frustrates me most about paleo

Dfeb3c1ef269c5dc03154d1689c14373

(716)

on July 22, 2012
at 03:29 PM

could've sworn that wasn't all i said....."Losing weight will be difficult when you reduce the reward value of your food, sometimes you'll need to bite the bullet in orthorexic terms and just eat some pizza and drink some beer when your appetite is down in the dumps, and on occasion you'll just feel awful and there's no food or hack in the world that will magically take it away."

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4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

on July 22, 2012
at 05:57 AM

Hey Jackson maybe you need a hobby, or a good book, or perhaps volunteering for something you do find meaningful.

Why waste your time with something you find so boring and useless?

Perhaps you need to reflect on why you keep coming to this site.

I've been here almost daily, but Im not dissing it or over-analyzing people's "dumb" questions. When or if I start to find it useless, I won't waste me time complaining, I will just not log-on....

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10480)

on July 22, 2012
at 07:37 AM

I have gotten a lot of very helpful and useful information here, but I have also seen many things that just make me shake my head in dismay. That being said, sometimes it is more fun to do some light trolling (not that I think that's what Jackson is doing) than to just move on, if the experience is still mostly positive. That's also how I feel about reading comments on SciAm and George Takei's FB page. :)

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Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

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on July 22, 2012
at 05:21 AM

While I think the format of PH could be altered somehow to allow more in depth questions and answers to not be drowned in day to day mundane ones (My personal vote: a good selection subject based subforums), and I agree that some of the questions are a bit silly, I take exception to this particular statement "should i say "hacking"-- away every hypochondriac tendency and trying to bury every difficulty in one hack or another.".

Some people here do have significant health issues. Things like low carb, even just higher fat diets, are not that well understood my mainstream doctors (or even remotely understood). Doing paleo wrong can be unhealthy. Ontop of this you have fat-adaption symptoms, and various nutritional road blocks that can be quite disconcerting if you dont have good information on whats going on (even dangerous if your lacking in something important).

Where are people supposed to go for this much needed information, or sometimes even just re-assurance that everythings okay? For most of these things, if its paleo related, they cant rely 100% on their doctor, their peers etc, because thats simply outside of both their understanding and their area of expertise.

Sure, some of those who are health orientated, especially at the start of paleo can get a little OCD about every little minutae. The colour of your pee is something a doctor or nurse can answer, but its not like they would be any less frustrated. You could probably google that sort of thing. Or not take that some much multi-vitamins!

But a little OCD is sort of natural when one is faced with a diet that flies in the face of all convention, is not that easy to find good information on how to do it right, and things like nutritional road blocks and fat adaption can throw up worrying complexities.

If everyone said "don't go past the blue rock, or you will die", and a couple of weird things started to happen when you did go past the blue rock, it would only be natural for you to worry that they were right, even if you doubted them.

Theres not a load of science on the diet either, really, even if one is academically inclined. I only just discovered via PH yesterday that LC can induced non-pathological physiological insulin resistance in the muscles, especially long-term, like a year or more. Thats exactly the sort of things one needs to know if one is doing a LC diet for whatever reason. If i wasnt detail obsessed right now, I never would have known that.

Its also probably natural that people who are somewhat health oriented come from a background of serious illness, fitness, eating disorders and other backgrounds that themselves make one prone to a little obsessive tendancy. That can both be good and bad, but honestly, thats sorta the way it is.

And all the same, we are talking about major adjustments to diet and health, for which there really is no comparable support or information community, or "go to place". Theres a social responsibility to that, beyond any entertainment value IMO.

But yes, agreed, colour of pee after multivitamin ingestion = not a paleohack.

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

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on July 22, 2012
at 06:27 AM

Nothing and I do mean NOTHING of any significance would ever get invented or accomplished, if not for somebody's "obsessing". More people ought to obsess about their diet and health....

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10480)

on July 22, 2012
at 07:40 AM

Agreed! I have heard "God is in the details" which I like in a heathen sort of way. But yeah... not every detail is Paleo, or even related to diet or health. There are some dumb questions, but I find this place to be quite worthwhile, overall.

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61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10480)

on July 21, 2012
at 11:38 PM

I agree that some people take Paleo too far (questions about not bathing come to mind, as well as things you mentioned) but there are still plenty of good questions that aren't about people looking to justify their bad eating habits (is Coke Zero really that bad for me!?) or validate their hypochondria (I was tired today, do I have a vitamin deficiency oh noez?!)

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10480)

on July 22, 2012
at 06:42 AM

Well, you seem like a very reasonable person yourself, Crowlover! :) And Jamie, here is the thread I had in mind when I said that: http://paleohacks.com/questions/115392/any-tricks-to-get-away-with-not-bathing#axzz21KaMU2Q5

4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

(4413)

on July 22, 2012
at 05:54 AM

I like you Luckie!

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on July 22, 2012
at 05:38 AM

Surely paleo man submersed themselves in water time to time. Where would anyone get the idea early man was water phobic? Could u link the thread? I am curious...

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3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

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on July 22, 2012
at 01:52 AM

If there was no need for idiots (me included) to argue over the minutia there would be no paleohacks. In the end there really may not be. TBH this site is really a place of gray. I'd suggest eating on a pattern of Primal or Paleo as designated by Robb. If that doesn't work then you may be able to gleen some information from sites such as this.

They should really rename this place. A hack indicates your making things easier. When you live in the gray nothing is "easy".

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on July 22, 2012
at 07:52 PM

Well said. I would venture that life is very much "gray" and that "black & white" thinking is a symptom of our discomfort with the subtleties of reality. Rules give us the illusion of control (over our own bodies or others) and are therefore popular, but ultimately they disappoint when the shit gets real.

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on July 22, 2012
at 11:00 PM

Hear! Hear! Life is hard, death is easy, giving up is easy. The rewards come after hard work, it's worth it!

But, I somewhat disagree, the food reward value of a good ceder planked grilled wild salmon, bison ribs, rib eye steak, ghee, bacon, smoked oysters, grill shrimp, liver pate done right, home made kefir, home made kraut, 100% chocolate, bulletproof coffee, roasted sweet potatoes with cocoa, vanilla, cinnamon, and coconut oil... these things are not tame, and I've yet to bite the bullet and drink a beer or have a slice of pizza. Sorry, not going back there.

Closest I've come to beer is drinking hard cider. It sort of reminds me of beer, but not quite. :)

I watch cow-orkers eat crap from McD's, or pizza for lunch, while they make jealous comments about my steak and shrimp for lunch. I laugh knowing that I probably paid less for my lunch and ate far better by just buying the raw ingredients and making it myself.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10480)

on July 24, 2012
at 03:31 AM

+1 for "cow-orkers," intentional or not. I totally LOL'd.

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