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ketosis required for optimal mental functioning

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created April 21, 2012 at 9:47 PM

who requires ketosis to function optimally mentally at work or school

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on April 22, 2012
at 05:09 AM

Glad to hear you're feeling better Lucas! Same here too! :)

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on April 22, 2012
at 03:38 AM

wow eugenia your blog sounds similar to my life i had that feeling and then it left me as my health declined then i found low carb and my health problems vanished into thin air almost entirely specifically adhd and anxiety which i forcefuly controlled my whole life has now been omitted

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on April 22, 2012
at 03:33 AM

hey eugenia you greek i am half greek/portuguese

3eca93d2e56dfcd768197dc5a50944f2

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on April 21, 2012
at 11:02 PM

Actually, there's a very good reason why Ketosis causes bliss: ketones. It's the preferred food for the brain, it simply functions better with it (when keto-adapted). When the brain is happy, happiness is induced naturally -- otherwise wild animals would be depressed in the wild too, but they're not. A lot of mental disorders, even bipolar, can become asymptomatic on keto.

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on April 21, 2012
at 10:57 PM

Actually the reason I asked is because I can't think of a mechanism where Ketosis by itself would cause bliss but I can see how a massive reduction in highly pleasurable foods could super-sensitize you to dopamine which might cause elevated mood/bliss. That's actually something Zen monastics do via a flavor restricted vegetarian diet.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on April 21, 2012
at 10:55 PM

I don't see Ketosis as a preventative, I see a healthy diet and exercise in that way. If you've already screwed up your brain's energy regulation then sure, absolutely. Though I should add that at least one person on the forum is on a 90% fat keto-diet to control migraines.

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on April 21, 2012
at 10:40 PM

-nice answer, prompted a thought... for those with reasonably strong Alzheimers family history are those people better off in ketosis when early symptoms of, not full blown alzheimers, appears?

3eca93d2e56dfcd768197dc5a50944f2

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on April 21, 2012
at 10:39 PM

It was fine (I did Paleo-keto for a few months), I missed nothing, except orange-type fruits (I was eating berries). There was a lot of meat, fat, and enough low-carb veggies too. My suggestions for those on keto: l-carnitine, potassium salt (in addition to normal salt, iodine and these superfoods: http://eugenia.queru.com/2012/03/05/top-10-must-eat-paleo-foods/ on top of normal Paleo), eat berries, and eat raw veggies often too. The rawness/berries will help with the feeling of "I need something fresh" that keto might induce. Drink more water too, or wrinkles and broken lips might appear.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on April 21, 2012
at 10:23 PM

Beyond your carb threshold how would you describe your diet as far as flavors, foods, meal variability etc...?

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3eca93d2e56dfcd768197dc5a50944f2

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on April 21, 2012
at 10:20 PM

I've done both Paleo and Paleo-ketogenic, and I'm best functioning mentally under ketosis. But you gotta be keto-adapted for this to happen -- it can take more than 3 months to take full advantage of ketones. ADD (couldn't focus) is gone completely, anxiety too (situational depression had already gone away with plain Paleo), and this appeared instead: http://eugenia.queru.com/2012/03/07/bliss/

3eca93d2e56dfcd768197dc5a50944f2

(11697)

on April 21, 2012
at 10:39 PM

It was fine (I did Paleo-keto for a few months), I missed nothing, except orange-type fruits (I was eating berries). There was a lot of meat, fat, and enough low-carb veggies too. My suggestions for those on keto: l-carnitine, potassium salt (in addition to normal salt, iodine and these superfoods: http://eugenia.queru.com/2012/03/05/top-10-must-eat-paleo-foods/ on top of normal Paleo), eat berries, and eat raw veggies often too. The rawness/berries will help with the feeling of "I need something fresh" that keto might induce. Drink more water too, or wrinkles and broken lips might appear.

Cf938ac46500e200c97f6adbb3365f64

(324)

on April 22, 2012
at 03:33 AM

hey eugenia you greek i am half greek/portuguese

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 21, 2012
at 10:57 PM

Actually the reason I asked is because I can't think of a mechanism where Ketosis by itself would cause bliss but I can see how a massive reduction in highly pleasurable foods could super-sensitize you to dopamine which might cause elevated mood/bliss. That's actually something Zen monastics do via a flavor restricted vegetarian diet.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 21, 2012
at 10:23 PM

Beyond your carb threshold how would you describe your diet as far as flavors, foods, meal variability etc...?

3eca93d2e56dfcd768197dc5a50944f2

(11697)

on April 21, 2012
at 11:02 PM

Actually, there's a very good reason why Ketosis causes bliss: ketones. It's the preferred food for the brain, it simply functions better with it (when keto-adapted). When the brain is happy, happiness is induced naturally -- otherwise wild animals would be depressed in the wild too, but they're not. A lot of mental disorders, even bipolar, can become asymptomatic on keto.

3eca93d2e56dfcd768197dc5a50944f2

(11697)

on April 22, 2012
at 05:09 AM

Glad to hear you're feeling better Lucas! Same here too! :)

Cf938ac46500e200c97f6adbb3365f64

(324)

on April 22, 2012
at 03:38 AM

wow eugenia your blog sounds similar to my life i had that feeling and then it left me as my health declined then i found low carb and my health problems vanished into thin air almost entirely specifically adhd and anxiety which i forcefuly controlled my whole life has now been omitted

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on April 21, 2012
at 11:02 PM

My brain does feel like it works more efficiently and I can concentrate and complete tasks more effectively with a ketogenic diet. For people who don't have focus issues, I doubt they would notice much of difference, but for me it is like night and day.

But....I don't have to be in ketosis to get that feeling, just adding foods that create ketones does it for me. I can have enough carbohydrate to stay out of ketosis, but if I add coconut oil to my coffee, and coconut oil and coconut butter chocolates to what I'm already eating I get the same level of focus. Caffeine plus ketones supercharges things for me when I really need to buckle down and not get distracted.

I don't think it has to be an either/or situation.

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on April 21, 2012
at 10:32 PM

I've noticed better mental performance after about the 20th hour of a faste. Just better mental response and alertness. Its definitely a different feeling. Excellent for my ADD. All of my strategies for dealing with my attention issues work way better in a ketogenic state.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on April 21, 2012
at 10:07 PM

Unless someone had Alzheimer's or some other severe neurological disorder I'd guess almost no one.

I can tell you that regaining metabolic flexibility is nice. You can eat some fruit and eggs for breakfast and if you miss lunch? Meh. You don't have to be in Ketosis to not crash from Carbs.

345c1755efe005edd162b770dc6fb821

(8767)

on April 21, 2012
at 10:40 PM

-nice answer, prompted a thought... for those with reasonably strong Alzheimers family history are those people better off in ketosis when early symptoms of, not full blown alzheimers, appears?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 21, 2012
at 10:55 PM

I don't see Ketosis as a preventative, I see a healthy diet and exercise in that way. If you've already screwed up your brain's energy regulation then sure, absolutely. Though I should add that at least one person on the forum is on a 90% fat keto-diet to control migraines.

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on April 21, 2012
at 10:51 PM

I find that my brain (used To suffer from depression and adhd issues) likes ketosis the best but if I don't occaisionally break ketosis for a couple days a month my psoriasis flares up. It's a balancing act for me because too many days in a row of Moderate carbohydrates starts Leading to mood swings and binge type eating, but I have to ward off autoimmune issues as well.

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