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is there such a thing as non-paleo exercise and is it still beneficial?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created July 03, 2012 at 3:29 PM

Processed carbs are the greatest contributors to dietary problems and anathema to the paleo diet. Is there an equivalent in exercise?

Just as there are poor ways to eat, are there poor ways to exercise? Or is exercise different because any type of exercise is beneficial?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on July 04, 2012
at 02:30 AM

on the other hand, repetitive isolation movements such as sharpening tools or other domestic support activities would not be out of the question either..

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on July 03, 2012
at 11:32 PM

however, in general humans are extremely adaptable. just because one group did persistence hunting and survived, doesn't mean it's necessarily the best way to thrive.

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on July 03, 2012
at 11:31 PM

intensity is not binary. it's a spectrum. there are clearly intensity levels greater than walking that can be sustained for extended periods of time. i.e., less than all out sprint, more than a walk. i believe in general, paleo man walked a lot and then did short burts of sprinting - hence the argument for hiit instead of an hour on the treadmill. i think a better counterargument to my answer would be this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persistence_hunting

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on July 03, 2012
at 09:48 PM

...chronic cardio is the most paleo form of exercise there is.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on July 03, 2012
at 09:46 PM

Chronic cardio is SO paleo. Before agriculture and a steady food supply, our ancestors were forced to be entirely nomadic. Constant walking about at all hours of the day is chronic (low intensity) cardio. By necessity, one cannot do chronic high intensity cardio, because there always exists a tradeoff between intensity and duration. "paleo" is so full of contradictions.

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on July 03, 2012
at 07:01 PM

I've heard people make plausible arguments that it's actually good for some things, but it's definitely not anything like doing a squat.

65bf1ca7071028018c6d8305d0ddcd76

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on July 03, 2012
at 06:48 PM

This is also my experience. I do enjoy cardio, and certainly will continue to do it, but I am conscious of my hunger afterwards :)

81fca18329e68e227cdfef3857bfef96

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on July 03, 2012
at 06:32 PM

If I hear one more person suggest the leg press is a substitute for the squat...

C116f7e54620c6003b67cd4450a298cd

on July 03, 2012
at 05:49 PM

"running FROM something" is so true. We're a bunch of messed up people in this country. Priorities are skewed, eh?

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on July 03, 2012
at 05:32 PM

Normally I would agree, but I think in the year 2012, "synthetic endocrine enhancement" is almost *necessary,* at least for most women. (But I think you're talking more along the lines of anabolic steroids, and I'm talking about balancing hormones that have gotten out of whack as a direct result of our deranged food supply and lifestyles.)

Ae8946707ddebf0f0bfbcfc63276d823

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on July 03, 2012
at 05:18 PM

so you already know the answer and are just looking to stir up a good fight? :)

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on July 03, 2012
at 04:01 PM

.. which would imply team sports are paleo

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on July 03, 2012
at 03:59 PM

yes, a big difference would be that we are not emotionally and cognitively engaged in the exercise - instead we go through our routines (sometimes/oftentimes) like zombies

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on July 03, 2012
at 03:57 PM

also expect to see anti-isolation and pro-compound

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on July 03, 2012
at 03:54 PM

yep, I expect to see two schools of thought emerging - the cardiophobes and the cardiophiles :)

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

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on July 03, 2012
at 03:53 PM

Wait a sec...I spoke too soon. I get what you're saying. All that normal activity for them is what we try to mimic by intentionally going for a walk, lifting heavy things, etc. It's a shame our lives have become so automated and sedentary that we sometimes have to *intentionally* put physical movement into our schedules. Oy vey...(Still, they never would have run 15 miles for "fun," I don't think. Modern ppl do that b/c for some it's the only endorphin rush they ever feel, and others are running *from* something...their own lives in some cases.)

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

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on July 03, 2012
at 03:52 PM

Wait a sec...I spoke too soon. I get what you're saying. All that *normal* activity for them is what we try to mimic by intentionally going for a walk, lifting heavy things, etc. It's a shame our lives have become so automated and sedentary that we sometimes *have to* intentionally put physical movement into our schedules. **Shakes head sadly.** (Still, they never would have run 15 miles for "fun," I don't think. Modern ppl do that b/c for some it's the only endorphin rish they ever feel, and others are running *from* something...their own lives in some cases.)

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on July 03, 2012
at 03:52 PM

is it out of the question that the activity was dopaminergic (i.e. gave them pleasure) and therefore habit forming? just like seeing animals at play

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on July 03, 2012
at 03:49 PM

@Harry: But they weren't doing it to "burn calories" or with the specific intention of building muscle, restoring insulin sensitivity, etc. They were doing it b/c they had to. (Carrying stuff to/from their home site, relocating, going out on long hunting/foraging trips, etc.) They might have had organized "sports" just for fun but I don't know if we'll ever be certain about that.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on July 03, 2012
at 03:49 PM

therefore synthetic endocrine enhancement would be anti-paleo?

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

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on July 03, 2012
at 03:49 PM

But they weren't doing it to "burn calories" or with the specific intention of building muscle, restoring insulin sensitivity, etc. They were doing it b/c they *had to.* (Carrying stuff to/from their home site, relocating, going out on long hunting/foraging trips, etc.) They might have had organized "sports" just for fun but I don't know if we'll ever be certain about that.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on July 03, 2012
at 03:46 PM

however, it is possible that our ancestors engaged in some sort of routine of activity that could be likened to exercise

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on July 03, 2012
at 03:45 PM

Queue up the hating on cardio crowd. :)

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on July 03, 2012
at 03:45 PM

interesting view..

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on July 03, 2012
at 03:43 PM

word. basically anything where your stuck in a fixed position on a machine.

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32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on July 03, 2012
at 03:44 PM

All exercise is non-paleo. Activity is paleo.

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

(8014)

on July 03, 2012
at 03:49 PM

@Harry: But they weren't doing it to "burn calories" or with the specific intention of building muscle, restoring insulin sensitivity, etc. They were doing it b/c they had to. (Carrying stuff to/from their home site, relocating, going out on long hunting/foraging trips, etc.) They might have had organized "sports" just for fun but I don't know if we'll ever be certain about that.

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

(8014)

on July 03, 2012
at 03:53 PM

Wait a sec...I spoke too soon. I get what you're saying. All that normal activity for them is what we try to mimic by intentionally going for a walk, lifting heavy things, etc. It's a shame our lives have become so automated and sedentary that we sometimes have to *intentionally* put physical movement into our schedules. Oy vey...(Still, they never would have run 15 miles for "fun," I don't think. Modern ppl do that b/c for some it's the only endorphin rush they ever feel, and others are running *from* something...their own lives in some cases.)

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on July 03, 2012
at 04:01 PM

.. which would imply team sports are paleo

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on July 03, 2012
at 03:52 PM

is it out of the question that the activity was dopaminergic (i.e. gave them pleasure) and therefore habit forming? just like seeing animals at play

C116f7e54620c6003b67cd4450a298cd

on July 03, 2012
at 05:49 PM

"running FROM something" is so true. We're a bunch of messed up people in this country. Priorities are skewed, eh?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on July 03, 2012
at 03:59 PM

yes, a big difference would be that we are not emotionally and cognitively engaged in the exercise - instead we go through our routines (sometimes/oftentimes) like zombies

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on July 03, 2012
at 03:45 PM

interesting view..

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

(8014)

on July 03, 2012
at 03:52 PM

Wait a sec...I spoke too soon. I get what you're saying. All that *normal* activity for them is what we try to mimic by intentionally going for a walk, lifting heavy things, etc. It's a shame our lives have become so automated and sedentary that we sometimes *have to* intentionally put physical movement into our schedules. **Shakes head sadly.** (Still, they never would have run 15 miles for "fun," I don't think. Modern ppl do that b/c for some it's the only endorphin rish they ever feel, and others are running *from* something...their own lives in some cases.)

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on July 03, 2012
at 03:46 PM

however, it is possible that our ancestors engaged in some sort of routine of activity that could be likened to exercise

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

(8014)

on July 03, 2012
at 03:49 PM

But they weren't doing it to "burn calories" or with the specific intention of building muscle, restoring insulin sensitivity, etc. They were doing it b/c they *had to.* (Carrying stuff to/from their home site, relocating, going out on long hunting/foraging trips, etc.) They might have had organized "sports" just for fun but I don't know if we'll ever be certain about that.

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4ec0fe4b4aab327f7efa2dfb06b032ff

(5145)

on July 03, 2012
at 03:39 PM

Isolation exercises (like cybex or nautilus machines) and an hour on the treadmill.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on July 03, 2012
at 03:43 PM

word. basically anything where your stuck in a fixed position on a machine.

4ec0fe4b4aab327f7efa2dfb06b032ff

(5145)

on July 03, 2012
at 07:01 PM

I've heard people make plausible arguments that it's actually good for some things, but it's definitely not anything like doing a squat.

81fca18329e68e227cdfef3857bfef96

(1320)

on July 03, 2012
at 06:32 PM

If I hear one more person suggest the leg press is a substitute for the squat...

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on July 04, 2012
at 02:30 AM

on the other hand, repetitive isolation movements such as sharpening tools or other domestic support activities would not be out of the question either..

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F0a3e3f17d9a740810ac37ff2353a9f3

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on July 03, 2012
at 04:53 PM

There's no more one right way for everyone to exercise than there is one right way for everyone to eat. Some combination of aerobic, anaerobic, and resistance training will work best for you, determined in the same way that evolution determines fitness: Trial and error.

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Cd77fd01d8be999aa91b8678e262f419

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on July 03, 2012
at 03:48 PM

I would also add extreme supplement-driven bodybuilding to the Chronic Cardio answers. Anything where you are chugging shakes that don't remotely resemble real food and popping a ton of lab-sourced pills to force yourself into a shape and bodyfat % that our ancestors would never have seen.

Lifting heavy things is fine, lifting heavy things to extreme, focusing on big muscle appearance rather than actual strength, and sticking chemicals in your body is too far.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on July 03, 2012
at 03:49 PM

therefore synthetic endocrine enhancement would be anti-paleo?

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

(8014)

on July 03, 2012
at 05:32 PM

Normally I would agree, but I think in the year 2012, "synthetic endocrine enhancement" is almost *necessary,* at least for most women. (But I think you're talking more along the lines of anabolic steroids, and I'm talking about balancing hormones that have gotten out of whack as a direct result of our deranged food supply and lifestyles.)

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on July 03, 2012
at 09:48 PM

...chronic cardio is the most paleo form of exercise there is.

Ae8946707ddebf0f0bfbcfc63276d823

(9402)

on July 03, 2012
at 11:32 PM

however, in general humans are extremely adaptable. just because one group did persistence hunting and survived, doesn't mean it's necessarily the best way to thrive.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on July 03, 2012
at 09:46 PM

Chronic cardio is SO paleo. Before agriculture and a steady food supply, our ancestors were forced to be entirely nomadic. Constant walking about at all hours of the day is chronic (low intensity) cardio. By necessity, one cannot do chronic high intensity cardio, because there always exists a tradeoff between intensity and duration. "paleo" is so full of contradictions.

Ae8946707ddebf0f0bfbcfc63276d823

(9402)

on July 03, 2012
at 11:31 PM

intensity is not binary. it's a spectrum. there are clearly intensity levels greater than walking that can be sustained for extended periods of time. i.e., less than all out sprint, more than a walk. i believe in general, paleo man walked a lot and then did short burts of sprinting - hence the argument for hiit instead of an hour on the treadmill. i think a better counterargument to my answer would be this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persistence_hunting

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C0d63e15a4e21b29c49d0380d87894b3

on July 03, 2012
at 06:37 PM

I'm a chronic cardio addict so am extremely biased; I'd say isolated weight machines before cardio, I bet our caveman ancestors ran for distance before they sat on a rock and strength trained specific muscles!

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C116f7e54620c6003b67cd4450a298cd

on July 03, 2012
at 05:46 PM

I'm currently doing a little N=1 on myself with adding a little cycling/cardio back in the mix. Interestingly enough, on my second ride (btw, just adding it a couple times per week JUST to see how I react) going about 22 miles of "hilly" riding (1 1/2 hours or so), I came back home afterward and did an afternoon/evening binge feast of just about everything in the house. Nothing too terrible, but some left over GF crackers from a shower over the weekend (damn those things!), WAY more fruit than normal, nuts galore, more fruit, some tuna, other lunch meats, and more nuts. Likely 3x+ the normal amount of food I would have throughout the day. I love to do this to mix it up and I do think doing a run or a ride once ever week or two is fine. I just know for me it might mean being on the "tread mill of life" to support this way of "exercise"...like I might be running/riding my way away from food - constantly.

I think our bodies are all different and react differently, but I'm thinking I like the intense type of workout a couple times a week with some sprints and lots of movement.

65bf1ca7071028018c6d8305d0ddcd76

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on July 03, 2012
at 06:48 PM

This is also my experience. I do enjoy cardio, and certainly will continue to do it, but I am conscious of my hunger afterwards :)

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on July 04, 2012
at 03:06 AM

Any thing with Richard Simmons is guarenteed life long ban

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on July 03, 2012
at 03:50 PM

'chronic cardio'

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