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Is there anyone the Paleo Diet DOESN'T work for??

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Created July 20, 2011 at 1:29 PM

Just like some people do OK/fine on a SAD, and some people can only be healthy on Paleo...are there cases out there of people that just can't do Paleo and go back to SAD feeling better? Maybe it was too low carb, maybe too much meat. I don't agree with this or feel this way myself, but just curious.

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on February 14, 2012
at 10:30 PM

Re-read my post. "YOU eat as many carbs as YOU need to feed YOUR activity." Everyone's needs are different. Take me, for example. I'm on my feet all day. I can go low carb all day long and do just fine, even during a busy day. The only time I really NEED more carbs is post workout because it helps with recovery. You're like me. You can be VERY active on low carb. That's awesome. Not everyone is wired that way. It's up to the individual to assess their own dietary needs in regards to macronutrients. There is no black and white.

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on February 14, 2012
at 10:29 PM

Re-read it my post. "YOU eat as many carbs as YOU need to feed YOUR activity." Everyone's needs are different. Take me, for example. I'm on my feet all day. I can go low carb all day long and do just fine, even during a busy day. The only time I really NEED more carbs is post workout because it helps with recovery. You're like me. You can be VERY active on low carb. That's awesome. Not everyone is so fortunate. It's up to the individual to assess their own dietary needs in regards to macronutrients. There is no black and white.

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on January 18, 2012
at 07:02 PM

Right on. Can we start defining specific criteria for generalizations like "work well"?

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on January 18, 2012
at 01:36 PM

"You eat as many carbs as you need to fuel your activity". This suggests that people that don't do much activity, need fewer carbs than those that do a lot of activity. In my own experience, this is not the case. I work in the construction industry doing very physical work. I don't eat carbs all day until I have a few pieces of salad (usually just leaves) with my evening meal. I imagine that most people on here actually eat more carbs and expend less energy than I do, so I don't think the amount of carbs anyone eats is governed by their activity level but more by how they themselves feel.

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on January 18, 2012
at 01:34 PM

As has been pointed out on other answers, it depends on your definition. The basic common 'paleo' principles are typical to msot good diets. If by vegetarian you mean including wheat and soy products then it's more a question of a diet you are able to adhere to by virtue of having a large industry working in your favour. It's not straight-forward to relearn everything to live off a different diet - that doesn't mean the diet itself can't work if you can do it right.

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on July 21, 2011
at 09:50 PM

believe me, I'm strict paleo, but am just not gaining weight and I see all these fat, happy SAD eaters around me all the time?

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on July 21, 2011
at 01:06 PM

Dan, are you touting pizza and pasta as some sort of health food?

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on July 21, 2011
at 06:12 AM

and pizza and pasta will kill ya too! are you trying to gain fat? eat some glutenous foods. wanna gain muscle? eat more protein. I was never fat, but still lost weight, and now I'm gaining weight back again, but in a healthy way, and I'm as close to 100% paleo as I can be.

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on July 21, 2011
at 04:43 AM

the carb source from pizza and pasta is just way higher than carbs from paleo.

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on July 21, 2011
at 02:27 AM

I eat a Kitavan style paleo diet. PALEO IS NOT LOW CARB!!

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on July 21, 2011
at 01:30 AM

my point is, in reality, it's hard to consume enough carbs from veg's, and fruits compared to eating a pizza.

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on July 21, 2011
at 12:01 AM

I read the blog and haven't noticed 'bashing' per se, but YMMV. He does believe carbs are an important factor in weight loss, but I've never paid much attention to the weight loss angle because I need to gain, not lose!

33907fee54e98865a1988e5eef59147e

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on July 20, 2011
at 09:23 PM

anytime he writes about carbs specifically though he "bashes" them. Sure he does fruit and tubers in addition to his lots of veggies, I think in his own actual diet he maybe AVERAGES ~100g (or less, he is super lean). Some days he carb refuels.

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on July 20, 2011
at 08:32 PM

Sisson's 'Carbohydrate Curve' recommends 100-150g per day for weight maintenance and 150+ for gaining weight. That's lower in carbs than the SAD but hardly what most people mean when they say 'low carb'.

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on July 20, 2011
at 08:04 PM

Doubt that: http://s1.static.gotsmile.net/images/2011/05/10/cookie-monster-wtf-this_130497604469.jpg :p

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at 07:51 PM

No, Dan raises a point. Eades, Sisson, Wolf, and Devany all recommend low carb in one way or another. Sisson and Eades flat out say it. Devany and Wolf if I remember correctly say meat, small (if any) fruit, and veggies - no potatoes, very few nuts. That amounts to LOW CARB. I agree that generally potatoes and bananas and fruit are considered paleo, but most don't recommend going wild on these to get your carb up to 200 or 300 g per day, like some people do on paleo, or like some people feel much better on.

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on July 20, 2011
at 07:07 PM

^^^^^^^^^^ditto

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on July 20, 2011
at 06:53 PM

Hahaha! Nice @Phoenix!!

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on July 20, 2011
at 06:48 PM

I heard he eats coconut flour cookies now though. Eliminating gluten cured his severe maniac and addictive disposition.

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on July 20, 2011
at 06:06 PM

Niiiice :-) +1!

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on July 20, 2011
at 05:36 PM

Very well said!

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on July 20, 2011
at 05:20 PM

for the nth time, Paleo is NOT low carb...eat all the carbs (non grains) you need

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on July 20, 2011
at 02:41 PM

truth, sister...

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on July 20, 2011
at 02:36 PM

Your question was Is there anyone the paleo diet DOESN'T work for? and you indicated that too low carb or too much meat is a problem. Paleo is not a meat based or low carb based diet necessarily though. If you eat paleo and feel you don't need much meat then don't eat it, likewise with carbs if you feel better eating more then eat them. Paleo is about avoiding certain food groups not macronutrients. You can take the paleo principles and tailor them to just about any diet from low fat to low carb even vegan if you want.

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on July 20, 2011
at 02:35 PM

Your question was Is there anyone the paleo diet DOESN'T work for? and you indicated that too low carb or too much meat is a problem. Paleo is not a meat based or low carb based diet necessarily though. If you eat paleo and feel you don't need much meat then don't eat it, likewise with carbs if you feel better eating more then eat them. Paleo is about avoiding certain food groups not macronutrients. You can take the paleo principles and make tailor them to just about any diet from low fat to low carb even vegan if you want.

5437163ddf70d4532f196bfb4333753e

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on July 20, 2011
at 02:17 PM

......ROFL......

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on July 20, 2011
at 02:05 PM

Chase, if someone's answer is a restate of your question, maybe you need to elaborate your question. In this case turn it from "are there such cases" to "in what ways could there be such cases". I don't think this answer is arrogant, though it might possibly be a better comment than answer.

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on July 20, 2011
at 01:43 PM

This is essentially the same question I asked. I'm a little sick of some on paleohacks giving arrogant short answers to questions without any backup or insightful information. As far as the tailoring, maybe it is too hard to figure out whether its the meat, the carbs, the fat, etc. that could be causing problems. SAD is pretty simple, you eat whatever macronutrients you want when you want them, and feel good when eating because there's so many carbs.

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on July 20, 2011
at 01:29 PM

What do you consider "OK/fine"?

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5437163ddf70d4532f196bfb4333753e

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on July 20, 2011
at 01:39 PM

A diet free of fake, processed food is the healthiest diet for EVERYONE. It's up to the individual to determine which foods cause them problems (dairy, red meat, nuts, nightshades, etc.) but the Paleo Diet consists of absolutely the healthiest foods on Earth. Some people say Paleo doesn't work for them because it makes them feel rotten and they feel better when they eat Neolithic foods again. What they mean to say is "Low Carb" Paleo doesn't work for them so they feel better when they indulge in high carb processed foods. Paleo does NOT equal "Low Carb." You eat as many carbs as you need to fuel your activity.

In regards to people feeling OK/fine on a SAD diet, that does NOT mean they are healthy. Millions of people are running around with large amounts of visceral fat, non-alcoholic fatty liver disease, and type 2 diabetes yet say they feel "fine" but would you say that their diet is "working" for them? Notsomuch.

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on July 20, 2011
at 05:36 PM

Very well said!

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on January 18, 2012
at 01:36 PM

"You eat as many carbs as you need to fuel your activity". This suggests that people that don't do much activity, need fewer carbs than those that do a lot of activity. In my own experience, this is not the case. I work in the construction industry doing very physical work. I don't eat carbs all day until I have a few pieces of salad (usually just leaves) with my evening meal. I imagine that most people on here actually eat more carbs and expend less energy than I do, so I don't think the amount of carbs anyone eats is governed by their activity level but more by how they themselves feel.

5437163ddf70d4532f196bfb4333753e

(3614)

on February 14, 2012
at 10:29 PM

Re-read it my post. "YOU eat as many carbs as YOU need to feed YOUR activity." Everyone's needs are different. Take me, for example. I'm on my feet all day. I can go low carb all day long and do just fine, even during a busy day. The only time I really NEED more carbs is post workout because it helps with recovery. You're like me. You can be VERY active on low carb. That's awesome. Not everyone is so fortunate. It's up to the individual to assess their own dietary needs in regards to macronutrients. There is no black and white.

5437163ddf70d4532f196bfb4333753e

(3614)

on February 14, 2012
at 10:30 PM

Re-read my post. "YOU eat as many carbs as YOU need to feed YOUR activity." Everyone's needs are different. Take me, for example. I'm on my feet all day. I can go low carb all day long and do just fine, even during a busy day. The only time I really NEED more carbs is post workout because it helps with recovery. You're like me. You can be VERY active on low carb. That's awesome. Not everyone is wired that way. It's up to the individual to assess their own dietary needs in regards to macronutrients. There is no black and white.

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on July 20, 2011
at 01:46 PM

It doesn't work well for making you popular with your local bakery.

Aead76beb5fc7b762a6b4ddc234f6051

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on July 20, 2011
at 02:41 PM

truth, sister...

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(8239)

on January 18, 2012
at 07:02 PM

Right on. Can we start defining specific criteria for generalizations like "work well"?

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A8d95f3744a7a0885894ee0731c9744c

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on July 20, 2011
at 06:45 PM

This Guy:

is-there-anyone-the-paleo-diet-doesn't-work-for??

A8d95f3744a7a0885894ee0731c9744c

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on July 20, 2011
at 06:53 PM

Hahaha! Nice @Phoenix!!

76f3ead3aa977d876bcf3331d35a36e9

(4620)

on July 20, 2011
at 06:48 PM

I heard he eats coconut flour cookies now though. Eliminating gluten cured his severe maniac and addictive disposition.

446d2dddaeeccb2cc31a09cf20e40d46

(676)

on July 20, 2011
at 08:04 PM

Doubt that: http://s1.static.gotsmile.net/images/2011/05/10/cookie-monster-wtf-this_130497604469.jpg :p

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Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on July 20, 2011
at 01:51 PM

Sure.......vegetarians and people who enjoy illness like munchhausen's patients and hypochondriacs.

A8d95f3744a7a0885894ee0731c9744c

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on July 20, 2011
at 06:06 PM

Niiiice :-) +1!

5437163ddf70d4532f196bfb4333753e

(3614)

on July 20, 2011
at 02:17 PM

......ROFL......

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5437163ddf70d4532f196bfb4333753e

(3614)

on July 20, 2011
at 01:52 PM

Pfizer and Merck?

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5437163ddf70d4532f196bfb4333753e

(3614)

on July 20, 2011
at 01:45 PM

To clarify, what is your criteria for something "working" or not? Is it how they look? How they feel? How they perform? Markers of health and disease?

Crack works if you want to feel better. Plastic surgery works if you want to look better (temporarily). Amphetamines will certainly work if you want to perform better.

But will either of these things do all three while actually improving your health?

The Paleo Diet can.

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E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on July 20, 2011
at 01:32 PM

No. Paleo isn't low carb. You can tailor the paleo diet to any persons needs.

My question would be how could it not work for someone? Unless they were a serious food addict.

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on July 20, 2011
at 02:05 PM

Chase, if someone's answer is a restate of your question, maybe you need to elaborate your question. In this case turn it from "are there such cases" to "in what ways could there be such cases". I don't think this answer is arrogant, though it might possibly be a better comment than answer.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on July 20, 2011
at 02:35 PM

Your question was Is there anyone the paleo diet DOESN'T work for? and you indicated that too low carb or too much meat is a problem. Paleo is not a meat based or low carb based diet necessarily though. If you eat paleo and feel you don't need much meat then don't eat it, likewise with carbs if you feel better eating more then eat them. Paleo is about avoiding certain food groups not macronutrients. You can take the paleo principles and make tailor them to just about any diet from low fat to low carb even vegan if you want.

33907fee54e98865a1988e5eef59147e

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on July 20, 2011
at 01:43 PM

This is essentially the same question I asked. I'm a little sick of some on paleohacks giving arrogant short answers to questions without any backup or insightful information. As far as the tailoring, maybe it is too hard to figure out whether its the meat, the carbs, the fat, etc. that could be causing problems. SAD is pretty simple, you eat whatever macronutrients you want when you want them, and feel good when eating because there's so many carbs.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on July 20, 2011
at 02:36 PM

Your question was Is there anyone the paleo diet DOESN'T work for? and you indicated that too low carb or too much meat is a problem. Paleo is not a meat based or low carb based diet necessarily though. If you eat paleo and feel you don't need much meat then don't eat it, likewise with carbs if you feel better eating more then eat them. Paleo is about avoiding certain food groups not macronutrients. You can take the paleo principles and tailor them to just about any diet from low fat to low carb even vegan if you want.

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on July 21, 2011
at 02:34 AM

Paleo as typically recommended heavily suggests going low carb. This is because Paleo is billed as diet. The typical person who starts going paleo is looking to lose weight. The heavy low carb-ing is best for the stereotypical metabolically deranged and thus is the blanket recommendation (and recommended in strong language, often, inorder to get buy in). Low carb can cause all sorts of problems for certain people as has been mentioned. I aslo question the heavy condemnation of all fructose. Upping my fructose intake has been beneficial for me (at least in the short term on a low PUFA diet).

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on July 20, 2011
at 08:34 PM

Depends how you define paleo. As a skinny person I don't feel well in ketosis, or eating tons and tons of protein (though I often get about 100g per day, which is nearly a gram per pound of my body weight). I struggle with hypoglycemia so I simply can't get a lot of my calories from carbs without repercussions.

So I still eat mostly 'paleo' but I also eat limited non-toxic starches and not a lot of meat.

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on July 20, 2011
at 07:11 PM

no, there is no one that will be harmed by avoiding grains, beans, dairy and PUFAs.

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on January 18, 2012
at 11:28 AM

It depends on what you mean by Paleo. I tried to "do Paleo" by following Mark Sisson.

It doesn't work for me.

The low carb makes me dizzy, unable to pay attention and to concentrate and prone to car accidents (unable to pay attention while driving). This is the "low carb flu".

For me, "low carb flu" is a permanent state when I'm doing Paleo. It doesn't go away with time, like Mark Sisson says.

Also, when in "low carb flu", I lose weight initially for about 2 weeks, and then I simply don't lose anymore. It just doesn't happen, the scale shows the same number every day.

Also, when doing paleo I have problems due to high uric acid. .

What I found that works for me better than Paleo, is the "Eat to Live" diet of Dr. Joel Fuhrman, which is mostly vegetarian. But this is no magic solution either.

Right now I'm trying the Life Extension Mix (it's a multivitamin and fitonutrient mix) + PQQ + Coenzyme Q10 + Resveratrol. It is clear that it boosts my metabolism, but unfortunately it also boost my appetite which I try to calm by taking lysine.

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on January 18, 2012
at 01:34 PM

As has been pointed out on other answers, it depends on your definition. The basic common 'paleo' principles are typical to msot good diets. If by vegetarian you mean including wheat and soy products then it's more a question of a diet you are able to adhere to by virtue of having a large industry working in your favour. It's not straight-forward to relearn everything to live off a different diet - that doesn't mean the diet itself can't work if you can do it right.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on July 20, 2011
at 04:55 PM

smart question. Paleo has helped, but hasn't cured all. It's way too low on carbohydrates, especially for people trying to gain weight. It's great for fat (overweight people), but for skinny people, it's too low on carbs.

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on July 21, 2011
at 02:27 AM

I eat a Kitavan style paleo diet. PALEO IS NOT LOW CARB!!

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on July 21, 2011
at 06:12 AM

and pizza and pasta will kill ya too! are you trying to gain fat? eat some glutenous foods. wanna gain muscle? eat more protein. I was never fat, but still lost weight, and now I'm gaining weight back again, but in a healthy way, and I'm as close to 100% paleo as I can be.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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at 01:30 AM

my point is, in reality, it's hard to consume enough carbs from veg's, and fruits compared to eating a pizza.

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on July 21, 2011
at 04:43 AM

the carb source from pizza and pasta is just way higher than carbs from paleo.

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on July 20, 2011
at 08:32 PM

Sisson's 'Carbohydrate Curve' recommends 100-150g per day for weight maintenance and 150+ for gaining weight. That's lower in carbs than the SAD but hardly what most people mean when they say 'low carb'.

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at 05:20 PM

for the nth time, Paleo is NOT low carb...eat all the carbs (non grains) you need

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at 07:07 PM

^^^^^^^^^^ditto

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on July 21, 2011
at 12:01 AM

I read the blog and haven't noticed 'bashing' per se, but YMMV. He does believe carbs are an important factor in weight loss, but I've never paid much attention to the weight loss angle because I need to gain, not lose!

33907fee54e98865a1988e5eef59147e

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at 09:23 PM

anytime he writes about carbs specifically though he "bashes" them. Sure he does fruit and tubers in addition to his lots of veggies, I think in his own actual diet he maybe AVERAGES ~100g (or less, he is super lean). Some days he carb refuels.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on July 21, 2011
at 09:50 PM

believe me, I'm strict paleo, but am just not gaining weight and I see all these fat, happy SAD eaters around me all the time?

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at 07:51 PM

No, Dan raises a point. Eades, Sisson, Wolf, and Devany all recommend low carb in one way or another. Sisson and Eades flat out say it. Devany and Wolf if I remember correctly say meat, small (if any) fruit, and veggies - no potatoes, very few nuts. That amounts to LOW CARB. I agree that generally potatoes and bananas and fruit are considered paleo, but most don't recommend going wild on these to get your carb up to 200 or 300 g per day, like some people do on paleo, or like some people feel much better on.

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on July 21, 2011
at 01:06 PM

Dan, are you touting pizza and pasta as some sort of health food?

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