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Is Paleo the new "hipster" word for low carb dieting?

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Created June 26, 2011 at 6:12 PM

After listening to Robb Wolf's latest podcast I think he is correct that a tipping point is now at hand for paleo lifestyling. I think this is the issue that will drive popular choice. I dont think it will be the crossfit crew that will drive it for many reasons.

What do you all think?

7255a87872b75e6f691d84dca769b87e

on October 15, 2011
at 07:29 PM

Polyunsaturated fats give me anxiety; monounsaturated fats give me a healthy libido. Maybe the dietitian schools are secretly eugenic circles attempting to curb overpopulation by emphasizing killer frankenfoods. :0

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

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on August 28, 2011
at 03:05 PM

sheesh! No, hopefully this won't go mainstream soon.

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on June 27, 2011
at 03:56 AM

What you don't realize, Dr. K, is that the term "hipster" isn't the cool crowd. It's a label much like goth, emo, and preppy.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

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on June 27, 2011
at 01:37 AM

yes, WAPF is just a few hops away from basic Whole Foods/Food Co-op hippies, and then it is just a short hop to Paleo. The shibbolith? It's when you see them whitening their coffee with coconut cream.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

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on June 27, 2011
at 01:33 AM

The sling must be a regional thing. It's too hot here to be wearing much of anything. :-)

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on June 26, 2011
at 10:39 PM

When Paleo goes Hipster, I will have found a better brand name for eating right.

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on June 26, 2011
at 09:53 PM

Drippings on the meat is a brilliant image, btw.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

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on June 26, 2011
at 09:53 PM

Heh, at first I parsed that as grain-sand-sugar, which is what that stuff now tastes like to me.

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

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on June 26, 2011
at 09:35 PM

hahahahahaha!!!

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on June 26, 2011
at 09:32 PM

Cardio-rexic! Awesome.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on June 26, 2011
at 09:21 PM

When someone hears me say I eat real butter with everything they gasp (usually my cardio-rexic female friends). They also care more about eating for weight loss rather than to balance the metabolism. Good call on the People and Skinny Bitch :)

1471beca8e3adff4ae2f89d10e5f7acb

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on June 26, 2011
at 09:15 PM

The association of W'burg + paleo just made me think of that recent question on Robb's podcast about paleo's effect on beard growth.

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

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on June 26, 2011
at 08:47 PM

More likely to see moms with ergos, slings, and baby Bjorns at farmers markets buying Grassfed meat than moms with strollers hahaha. :-)

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

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on June 26, 2011
at 08:35 PM

More likely to see moms with ergos, slings, and baby Bjorns are farmers markets buying Grassfed meat. :-)

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

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on June 26, 2011
at 07:55 PM

I agree with that observation, Dr. K. I can tell when someone's not going to succeed, at least the first few times. It's because they don't really *believe* in what they're doing, and they resist the evidence, even of their own experience. I've done that -- I tried my current way of eating once before for two months, and despite great results, I kept lawyering myself out of it. It took me another year to realize how dense I'd been, and to re-commit with a new mentality.

64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

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on June 26, 2011
at 07:40 PM

well on second thought maybe they also encourage monounsaturated fats in moderation... but still lame ;)

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on June 26, 2011
at 07:34 PM

ugh brutal. use vegetable oils for cooking? and lots of PUFA? I'd say those two are the worst offenders on that list. Christ, we're doomed.

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on June 26, 2011
at 06:55 PM

Proofread please

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on June 26, 2011
at 06:52 PM

This is why I have zero hope my profession is going to lead the lemmings to light the light. I believe they are creating an annuity for themselves. I think people have to realize that to survive this situation is no different than being dropped in a jungle in central america. the first decisions you make ultimately determine whether you live or die. I just wrote about that issue today. Plus one Jeff.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on June 26, 2011
at 06:50 PM

but if you help one of the change you change their thoughts. think about that for a minute.

Cc7381bd787721575ea9198048132adb

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on June 26, 2011
at 06:47 PM

I'm kind of confused by what you're asking but for example, at a graduation party last night, I was approached by friends and family (who happen to be obese) that explained how not a single diet they've tried has worked for them no matter how strict the adhere to it. They know I'm going back for an M.S. in Nutrition and wanted to hear what I thought about their condition. The convo only lasted 2 minutes when I told them that there's a large chance that their stubborn weight was due to consumption of grains, dairy and too many "healthy" carbs. That's why I think paleo has a ways to go.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on June 26, 2011
at 06:46 PM

Wow. That is depressing. But I'm so glad you're in school to be an R.D. -- change can happen, one human being at a time.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on June 26, 2011
at 06:43 PM

I totally agree. Here on paleohacks, in and around NYC, prolly in LA too yes maybe it's pretty popular. But it's nowhere near a tipping point I'd say. 9 of 10 people are still reading People and US weekly and following Skinny Bitch and weight watchers.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 26, 2011
at 06:42 PM

I had no idea I was paleo until it was pointed out to me.....years later. But I really think that the tipping point will be low carb because it essentially eliminates all the bad stuff for overweight folks in one diet while making your health better.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on June 26, 2011
at 06:39 PM

I think it is change......Change is hard for humans to do......that is why in my clinic I work on the mind.....once I have that change comes pretty quick. Its really not about diet. Its about how we think about the diet.

7d0c3ea9bf8be00b93e6433d8f125ac3

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on June 26, 2011
at 06:29 PM

I did. Just couldn't resist the opportunity to make fun of hipsters.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on June 26, 2011
at 06:27 PM

plus one for sharing! thanks!

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on June 26, 2011
at 06:21 PM

Ever think that maybe that group is not going to tip the paleo point and that is why? I think the gist of my question is that the obesity epidemic is the reason this will tip first.....I dont see it tipping for optimization or fitness first. Again this is my perception and I think Robb's as well but since most here are paleo lifestyling now i'd like to hear your thoughts and perception and see if your paleo centric or open to how this lifestyle effects other groups who need it more than they even know.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on June 26, 2011
at 06:18 PM

If that is your perception cool.....now talk about it please

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on June 26, 2011
at 06:15 PM

Hipster? Hipsters are usually pale malnourished skinny-jeans wearing vegans.

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7d0c3ea9bf8be00b93e6433d8f125ac3

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on June 26, 2011
at 06:23 PM

All I can say is I think it's easy to get the impression when you spend all your free time reading stuff about Paleo on the internet and participating in health-oriented forums. But in the real world, I don't think it's anywhere close to a tipping point. Having said that I do see an encouraging move back towards real, whole foods. For some people that does mean changing to a more paleo-type diet, cooking everything from scratch, only cooking in butter or traditional cooking fats, etc. But what I see more often is that this just means someone is going to buy Annie's Organic macaronic and cheese instead of Kraft Dinner, you know?

Edit: I would consider that we had reached a major turning point as a society if I started seeing widespread acknowledgement that seed oils are very probably extremely detrimental to our health. As it stands I'm constantly hearing about how heart-healthy canola, soy and sunflower seed oil are and although I see gluten-free and grass-fed becoming more popular, I don't know anyone else who is even willing to entertain the notion that it's healthier to cook in lard than with these rank oils. I know people who cut out wheat, eat fish 3 times a week, won't buy CAFO meat, and even avoid soy- but cook everything in canola oil.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on June 26, 2011
at 09:21 PM

When someone hears me say I eat real butter with everything they gasp (usually my cardio-rexic female friends). They also care more about eating for weight loss rather than to balance the metabolism. Good call on the People and Skinny Bitch :)

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 26, 2011
at 06:27 PM

plus one for sharing! thanks!

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on June 26, 2011
at 06:43 PM

I totally agree. Here on paleohacks, in and around NYC, prolly in LA too yes maybe it's pretty popular. But it's nowhere near a tipping point I'd say. 9 of 10 people are still reading People and US weekly and following Skinny Bitch and weight watchers.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

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on June 26, 2011
at 09:32 PM

Cardio-rexic! Awesome.

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3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on June 26, 2011
at 06:29 PM

I agree that it won't be the "Crossfit crew," lol (good name). As much as I admire them -- and I do; I'm an artist and I love the human body, and ultrafit people are truly a joy to behold -- the general public is not going to care much if some golden gods add an extra ripple to their already-stunning sixpacks. Sorry to sound glib, but I really think such physical fine-tuning is interesting only to a small segment of the already-fit world.

On the other hand, everyone loves a big weight-loss story. And there's very little doubt (in my mind, anyway) that low-carb trumps just about every other approach for spectacular results in that department.

The other thing that I've found over the last few years is that when I encourage my friends to investigate "paleo," they very quickly become confused, even by Kurt Harris's excellent and simple twelve steps. They're especially confused by the differing, sometimes bickering approaches to paleo; the "Kitivans" versus the "Inuits," ya know? I don't think I have particularly stupid friends, lol, I just think the arguments are distracting. Plus, telling people to "eliminate grains and sugar" leaves them uncertain as to what to eat -- no surprise, given that everything that comes in a box has grainsandsugar in it. Low-carb, on the other hand, is easier to grok. And if it's bundled with some paleo/evolutionary thinking ("this is how humanity ate during our evolution") that's just some theoretical drippings on the meat.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

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on June 26, 2011
at 09:53 PM

Heh, at first I parsed that as grain-sand-sugar, which is what that stuff now tastes like to me.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on June 26, 2011
at 07:55 PM

I agree with that observation, Dr. K. I can tell when someone's not going to succeed, at least the first few times. It's because they don't really *believe* in what they're doing, and they resist the evidence, even of their own experience. I've done that -- I tried my current way of eating once before for two months, and despite great results, I kept lawyering myself out of it. It took me another year to realize how dense I'd been, and to re-commit with a new mentality.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 26, 2011
at 06:39 PM

I think it is change......Change is hard for humans to do......that is why in my clinic I work on the mind.....once I have that change comes pretty quick. Its really not about diet. Its about how we think about the diet.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

(18706)

on June 26, 2011
at 09:53 PM

Drippings on the meat is a brilliant image, btw.

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1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

on June 26, 2011
at 08:45 PM

Seems like my little sister learned about WAPF and Paleo through her hipster circle in Williamsburg (NYC.) I know she was always dogging on me when I was in school for going low carb to lose a couple of pounds but for some reason if it's Weston Price or Paleo it's OK. hahahaha I think it just needed a rebranding for the youngin's. Atkins isn't sexy. Paleo is sexy. Expensive local grassfed meats and produce are sexier.

She's the one who got me on gluten-free WAPF. I found paleo on my own and then she found it too.

1471beca8e3adff4ae2f89d10e5f7acb

(6550)

on June 26, 2011
at 09:15 PM

The association of W'burg + paleo just made me think of that recent question on Robb's podcast about paleo's effect on beard growth.

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

(8989)

on June 27, 2011
at 01:37 AM

yes, WAPF is just a few hops away from basic Whole Foods/Food Co-op hippies, and then it is just a short hop to Paleo. The shibbolith? It's when you see them whitening their coffee with coconut cream.

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

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on June 26, 2011
at 09:35 PM

hahahahahaha!!!

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64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

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on June 26, 2011
at 06:44 PM

I was also wondering about the tipping point after listening to that podcast... If by mainstream we mean that people will have some clue what it is (a la atkins or south beach), I would agree that it will soon become a familiar term.

Unfortunately I don't see it becoming a mainstream diet any time soon though. Being in school to become an R.D., I see what all of the future dietitians in our country are being taught. For the most part it is that

  • fad diets are bad
  • low carb diets are fad diets
  • ketosis is dangerous
  • we are meant to run on 50-65% carbs
  • make someone burn 500 kcals/day on a treadmill while keeping their food intake constant is the way to make someone lose a pound a week
  • emphasize whole grain products
  • keep sat fat as low as possible
  • use vegetable oils for cooking
  • aim for lots of PUFAs

I could keep going but it would be depresing ;(

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 26, 2011
at 06:52 PM

This is why I have zero hope my profession is going to lead the lemmings to light the light. I believe they are creating an annuity for themselves. I think people have to realize that to survive this situation is no different than being dropped in a jungle in central america. the first decisions you make ultimately determine whether you live or die. I just wrote about that issue today. Plus one Jeff.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on June 26, 2011
at 06:46 PM

Wow. That is depressing. But I'm so glad you're in school to be an R.D. -- change can happen, one human being at a time.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on June 26, 2011
at 07:34 PM

ugh brutal. use vegetable oils for cooking? and lots of PUFA? I'd say those two are the worst offenders on that list. Christ, we're doomed.

64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

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on June 26, 2011
at 07:40 PM

well on second thought maybe they also encourage monounsaturated fats in moderation... but still lame ;)

7255a87872b75e6f691d84dca769b87e

on October 15, 2011
at 07:29 PM

Polyunsaturated fats give me anxiety; monounsaturated fats give me a healthy libido. Maybe the dietitian schools are secretly eugenic circles attempting to curb overpopulation by emphasizing killer frankenfoods. :0

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8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

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on June 26, 2011
at 08:22 PM

While I also believe that Paleo has a long way to go, it is the next logical step for the older hippie granola people who start getting fatter, try to diet on Ornish, fail, and then eventually find low carb. But, the low carb lifestyle still has that lower-class, greasy persona, and won't be embraced by people who still have the din, "Healthy Fats", bouncing around in their heads. Where does a fat, macrobiotic, vegetarian, clean-eating, locavore go to if she doesn't want to enter the land of bars and shakes? Paleo, of course. But, right now, it is for the brave few. It is still a bit too sexist, and too unfriendly for vegetarians. You will know when the tipping point has occurred when you hear about it just much at Curves as you do in that clanky, stinky weight room. And an even better way to enter Paleo is through the Farmers' Market instead of the gym. If you want to see where Paleo is really at, get off the internet and go to the Farmers' Market, where you will see a long line of moms with baby strollers, all trying to buy grass-fed meat.

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

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on June 26, 2011
at 08:35 PM

More likely to see moms with ergos, slings, and baby Bjorns are farmers markets buying Grassfed meat. :-)

8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

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on June 27, 2011
at 01:33 AM

The sling must be a regional thing. It's too hot here to be wearing much of anything. :-)

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

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on June 26, 2011
at 08:47 PM

More likely to see moms with ergos, slings, and baby Bjorns at farmers markets buying Grassfed meat than moms with strollers hahaha. :-)

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on June 26, 2011
at 06:35 PM

I'm like you in that I arrived at many of the same paleo conclusions without knowing that I was eating a paleo diet yet. I heard about nasty stuff in grains for other sources and I don't think that conventional pasturized dairy is very healthy. Of course I'm not in favor of too much sugar or seed oils, those seem plainly obvious. I suppose that since the majority of Crossfitters eat paleo diets it is becoming hip in some circles. Many people are busy living their lives, which don't have much to do with biology and what we find ourselves interested in, so they need to put their faith in a paradigm, and if one gets a foothold and seems sexy then people will gravitate towards the trend. Paleo is very compelling and a lot of fun, as well as generally very effective at restoring and maintaining health, so I'm hesitant to proclaim it to be hipster low carb that's simply not associated with fat guys eating cheese and sausages to try to lose weight.

I don't think that Paleo is necessarily low carb, just having to do with types of foods that we are best adapted to eat, I think we're probably adapted to all of the macronutrients quite well, although I think the evidence points towards more fat in the diet than carbohydrate.

Those cool California dudes like Robb Wolf certainly make it a lot more appealing for trend-seekers. Hipsters might be more prone to screwing up, but those who make sure to cover all of their nutritional bases will stay for the health.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 26, 2011
at 06:42 PM

I had no idea I was paleo until it was pointed out to me.....years later. But I really think that the tipping point will be low carb because it essentially eliminates all the bad stuff for overweight folks in one diet while making your health better.

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Cc7381bd787721575ea9198048132adb

on June 26, 2011
at 06:17 PM

Personally, from talking to friends and family, paleo still has a longgggg way to go before it's anywhere close to mainstream. Everyone I talk to is still extremely resistant to the idea that their whole grains are far worse for them than saturated fat is. I could be an outlier but that's what I'm seeing so far.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 26, 2011
at 06:50 PM

but if you help one of the change you change their thoughts. think about that for a minute.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 26, 2011
at 06:21 PM

Ever think that maybe that group is not going to tip the paleo point and that is why? I think the gist of my question is that the obesity epidemic is the reason this will tip first.....I dont see it tipping for optimization or fitness first. Again this is my perception and I think Robb's as well but since most here are paleo lifestyling now i'd like to hear your thoughts and perception and see if your paleo centric or open to how this lifestyle effects other groups who need it more than they even know.

Cc7381bd787721575ea9198048132adb

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on June 26, 2011
at 06:47 PM

I'm kind of confused by what you're asking but for example, at a graduation party last night, I was approached by friends and family (who happen to be obese) that explained how not a single diet they've tried has worked for them no matter how strict the adhere to it. They know I'm going back for an M.S. in Nutrition and wanted to hear what I thought about their condition. The convo only lasted 2 minutes when I told them that there's a large chance that their stubborn weight was due to consumption of grains, dairy and too many "healthy" carbs. That's why I think paleo has a ways to go.

Cc7381bd787721575ea9198048132adb

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on June 26, 2011
at 06:55 PM

Proofread please

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