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Is Paleo making my urinary tract infections worse?

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Created April 12, 2012 at 6:06 AM

So to start I have Lupus and I get infections easier than most people. I have been strict paleo(no yogurt or dairy) two months now and really love it, which is surprising to me. But I have noticed that in those two months I have had 4 UTIs or 2 that just haven't gone away like they were supposed to. Now I eat fruit with every meal, usually apple, pear, tomato and have a serving of berries everyday. For veges I mostly eat leafy greens whichever kinds look good at the farmers market. I honestly don't eat an exotic variety of veges because I am not very good at cooking them yet. The only thing I have been doing different is eating paleo. So why am I constantly having UTI? My medical doctor says paleo is dangerous and I am doing unspeakable things to my body, but I just don't miss grains, beans, or dairy so I can only assume I didn't really need them. Now am I eating too much leafy greens? Or what?

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on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

Thanks I just bought some

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on July 29, 2013
at 02:30 AM

Thanks glib - I am asking for a friend who eats paleo but doesn't seem to be overdoing it on meat and this person is in good health otherwise. wy~

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on April 22, 2012
at 05:46 PM

I agree that you should see a different doctor if possible. This kind of treatment sounds like a deal breaker for the doctor-patient relationship to me. I would have a hard time trusting him to give me the best available treatment even for other problems after this behavior.

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on April 20, 2012
at 04:11 PM

"Paleo" is a dirty word in the doctors office- always better to phrase it "I eat fresh foods that I prepare myself, nothing processed, and no gluten". If you need to get into specifics later, you will, but it starts you and the doc off on a good foot.

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on April 20, 2012
at 04:10 PM

And I totally agree with @Jen- he's your doctor, not your nutritionist. If you don't want to "get into it" with any future doctors, just simply say: "I eat a diet free of processed foods and gluten. Plenty of fresh foods, I prepare it all myself". Easy, and no doctor is going to say that's bad. My doctor/cardiologist always give me props for being a university student that *gasp* eats real food! They love it.

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on April 20, 2012
at 04:08 PM

It's not just unacceptable, it's downright dangerous- you don't want to mess around with a UTI if you have a particularly virulent strain. Urine culture is so easy to do too, it's not like he has to deal with it, he just needs to get your to give your sample at the lab, easy peasy. I would get a different doctor or report this, that is just not a proper way to practice medicine.

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on April 20, 2012
at 04:05 PM

That is ridiculous that your doctor did not take a culture of your urine. You could have a serious strain, and short-term courses of the incorrect type of antibiotics can make it worse. If possible, I would see a different doctor.

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on April 20, 2012
at 02:47 PM

Yes, and Jarrow (and I think a couple others) make one specifically for women. Geared more toward vaginal flora, but it's worth a try...especially with chronic antibiotic usage.

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on April 20, 2012
at 02:38 PM

D-mannose is AMAZING with respect to UTIs.highly recommend.

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on April 13, 2012
at 09:05 PM

I just bought more for myself too...can never be too prepared lol.

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on April 13, 2012
at 10:49 AM

I would kindly demand that your doctor send a sample of your urine for culture. You have to be very careful though when you take the sample so that it wont be tainted and give you false results. Ask for very detailed instructions or find them online, or I can find them for you. It is really not cool of your doctor to just shower you with different antibiotica. He is contributing to antibiotic resistance in native bacterial strains in your gut, plus you might end up with a C. difficile overgrowth gastroenteritis, if he gives you certain drugs, which is bad news. He is killing your flora.

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on April 12, 2012
at 11:58 PM

Thanks a lot I am going to look into that. I don't know if I have had a culture, mY docTOR just Gives me different antibiotics to try.

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on April 12, 2012
at 11:56 PM

I used to eat vegetarian with lots of cheese and yogurt and rice with beans and veges. Basically my diet was everything paleo cuts ouT. I take cranberry and b12

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on April 12, 2012
at 09:01 PM

Alternatively your urinary tract might be infected with a bacterial strain that is resistant to the antibiotics that you have been given. Either way you should have your urine cultured, firstly to know wether it is an infection or not, and secondly to identify bacterial type and antibiotic sensitivity so that the infection can be cured.

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on April 12, 2012
at 07:32 PM

Pure Encapsulations is a company, yes.

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on April 12, 2012
at 01:56 PM

Can you give more details about your previous and current diet? What have you cut out, and what have you added? Do you take any supplements?

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on April 12, 2012
at 01:35 PM

Hi Epic, I've never heard of d-Mannose, is Pure Caps a company? Thanks for this tip

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Bbb65dfde2b925e334048eb6438b3950

on April 12, 2012
at 01:42 PM

Are you sure these are actual UTI??s? Have they been diagnosed with a bacterial culture of your urine or are they only diagnosed clinically? I am just asking because there is such a thing as Interstitial Cystitis (as mentioned by Mama_Z) which mimics UTI??s but is not caused by infection. It gives you the same painful, aching feeling of urgency and fullness as a UTI. Interstitial Cystitis can be triggered or made worse by certain foods, some of which are tomatoes, berries, oranges and other fruits. I highly recommend googling it to find a list of offending foods so that you can experiment with what may cause symptoms for you.

4d19018c899ad4e4c8a8bff5515449e1

(242)

on April 12, 2012
at 11:58 PM

Thanks a lot I am going to look into that. I don't know if I have had a culture, mY docTOR just Gives me different antibiotics to try.

Bbb65dfde2b925e334048eb6438b3950

on April 12, 2012
at 09:01 PM

Alternatively your urinary tract might be infected with a bacterial strain that is resistant to the antibiotics that you have been given. Either way you should have your urine cultured, firstly to know wether it is an infection or not, and secondly to identify bacterial type and antibiotic sensitivity so that the infection can be cured.

Bbb65dfde2b925e334048eb6438b3950

on April 13, 2012
at 10:49 AM

I would kindly demand that your doctor send a sample of your urine for culture. You have to be very careful though when you take the sample so that it wont be tainted and give you false results. Ask for very detailed instructions or find them online, or I can find them for you. It is really not cool of your doctor to just shower you with different antibiotica. He is contributing to antibiotic resistance in native bacterial strains in your gut, plus you might end up with a C. difficile overgrowth gastroenteritis, if he gives you certain drugs, which is bad news. He is killing your flora.

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on April 20, 2012
at 04:05 PM

That is ridiculous that your doctor did not take a culture of your urine. You could have a serious strain, and short-term courses of the incorrect type of antibiotics can make it worse. If possible, I would see a different doctor.

Bbb65dfde2b925e334048eb6438b3950

on April 22, 2012
at 05:46 PM

I agree that you should see a different doctor if possible. This kind of treatment sounds like a deal breaker for the doctor-patient relationship to me. I would have a hard time trusting him to give me the best available treatment even for other problems after this behavior.

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D811808d3bfa5aebc7a1bd971fb6375b

on April 12, 2012
at 06:41 AM

Hey Sarah, try this:

  1. Probiotics. Make sure it's a clean one, without any magnesium stearate or weird fillers/binders. I have a few different varieties from Pure Encapsulations. RenewLife also makes a good one. Take 1-2 per day. Also try eating fermented non-dairy foods like sauerkraut and kim chi. A little full fat goat's milk or sheep's milk yogurt might be all right for you too.

  2. d-Mannose. The "secret weapon." If you feel a UTI coming on, take this and it will wipe it out before it gets a chance to take hold. Again, I use Pure Caps for that, since there's 450 mg per one capsule in their cranberry/d-mannose blend. I would take 2 caps at night with a probiotic if I felt a UTI coming on (but I haven't had to do that in over a year, since going paleo), and it would stop it dead in its tracks.

  3. Uva ursi. A great UTI-killer, but it has loads of tannins, so you only want to use it for a max of about 7 days (some people say 10-14 is fine, but I always stuck with 7, especially since the UTI is gone by then anyway), and only on an empty stomach or at least 30-60 minutes after eating. A liquid extract is best. I've used alcohol and glycerine preparations and both worked fine - they glycerine is more palatable.

Hope that helps!

662a4ea915eb7c758bdd797d77ead7b6

(656)

on April 12, 2012
at 01:35 PM

Hi Epic, I've never heard of d-Mannose, is Pure Caps a company? Thanks for this tip

4d19018c899ad4e4c8a8bff5515449e1

(242)

on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

Thanks I just bought some

D811808d3bfa5aebc7a1bd971fb6375b

on April 12, 2012
at 07:32 PM

Pure Encapsulations is a company, yes.

D811808d3bfa5aebc7a1bd971fb6375b

on April 13, 2012
at 09:05 PM

I just bought more for myself too...can never be too prepared lol.

65bf1ca7071028018c6d8305d0ddcd76

(3049)

on April 20, 2012
at 02:38 PM

D-mannose is AMAZING with respect to UTIs.highly recommend.

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662a4ea915eb7c758bdd797d77ead7b6

on April 12, 2012
at 01:33 PM

Drink lots of water...of course, I've heard higher protein can cause dehydration to a certain extent.

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on April 12, 2012
at 12:45 PM

Google Interstitial Cystitis

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on April 12, 2012
at 06:10 AM

Many women report probiotics stops their UTIs cold. Try it & see.

1296f5fecd084f101d7c5fbe013f07eb

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on April 20, 2012
at 02:47 PM

Yes, and Jarrow (and I think a couple others) make one specifically for women. Geared more toward vaginal flora, but it's worth a try...especially with chronic antibiotic usage.

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65bf1ca7071028018c6d8305d0ddcd76

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on April 20, 2012
at 02:37 PM

Forgive me for criticizing your doctor, but anyone who prescribes antibiotics without a test is acting irresponsibly. Your doctor seems to try to treat you symptoms to get you out of his office...

I undertand that the health care system is pushing doctors to see more people in less time, but this is unacceptable. In fact, it's the opposite of what we try to do with Paleo: we want to bring ourselves to a point of optimal health as naturally as possible. Yes, there is definitely a time to take prescriptions which are prescribed by physicians who have considered many possibilities.

As for your doc telling you that you are harming your body, what background does he have in nutrition and has he studied any data on paleo? Most doctors only study a few hrs of nutrition in their training and are far from experts.

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

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on April 20, 2012
at 04:08 PM

It's not just unacceptable, it's downright dangerous- you don't want to mess around with a UTI if you have a particularly virulent strain. Urine culture is so easy to do too, it's not like he has to deal with it, he just needs to get your to give your sample at the lab, easy peasy. I would get a different doctor or report this, that is just not a proper way to practice medicine.

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on April 20, 2012
at 04:10 PM

And I totally agree with @Jen- he's your doctor, not your nutritionist. If you don't want to "get into it" with any future doctors, just simply say: "I eat a diet free of processed foods and gluten. Plenty of fresh foods, I prepare it all myself". Easy, and no doctor is going to say that's bad. My doctor/cardiologist always give me props for being a university student that *gasp* eats real food! They love it.

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on April 12, 2012
at 02:12 PM

So many factors to take into consideration.

First, have you seen a urologist? You may have kidney stones which can only be detected with a CT scan.

Second, what is your average daily calcium/magnesium/potassium intake? You said you eat fruit with every meal. How much sugar (in any form--fructose, galactose or sucrose) do you eat each day? Bacteria LOVE sugar.

Third, what sort of leafy greens are you eating?

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on April 12, 2012
at 06:57 AM

Cranberry extract.

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on July 28, 2013
at 05:57 PM

Paleo may be a bit heavy on your kidneys and liver if you eat a lot of meat. But you can be paleo with as low as 10% proteins, 20% is quite comfortable to achieve. I should mention that when I first changed my fat profile (quite dramatically and suddenly, using the last half gallon of soybean oil to light the wood stove), for a few months I was rather prone to infections. I was not paleo but I had cut out vegetable oils completely, I was getting fish oil daily, and only eating grass fed meat. I garden, and any little scratch around my nails would get heavily infected. Same with sore throats and some other things including burning urinary tract. It had never happened before, and it id not happen after. I interpreted it as my immune system being affected by the change. Perhaps it needed the constant inflammation to work properly, before readjusting.

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on July 28, 2013
at 03:56 PM

Lisa,

Where did you get the information about the paleo diet being bad for someone with gall bladder or kidney problems?

Thanks wy~

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on July 29, 2013
at 02:30 AM

Thanks glib - I am asking for a friend who eats paleo but doesn't seem to be overdoing it on meat and this person is in good health otherwise. wy~

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on July 02, 2012
at 05:52 AM

Paleo diet could be dangerous for you. It is not recommended for those with kidney/gallbladder or pancreatic problems. Lupus affects the kidneys and high-protein (paleo) diet can further damage your kidneys. It could be a resistant bacteria or you could be having kidney stones or even cysistis. I recommend that you see a urologist.

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on April 12, 2012
at 03:20 PM

Hey Sarah. Many different things can cause UTI's so you really do need to be careful with what you eat. One thing I have used in the past is a special Paleo Recipe Book

Paleo Recipe Book

It has really helped me and once I started using the cookbook I have felt 50 times better than before I started my Paleo Diet

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