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Is paleo even beneficial if you r not in ketosis?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created September 09, 2012 at 6:45 AM

If im understanding this correctly, the main objective (besides eating healthier) of a paleo diet is to make it so that you burn fat vs carbs for fuel. If i have this right, the only way to make that switch is to put your body into ketosis. From what ive read even the slightest carbs will keep you from going into ketosis. So, say you fail to go into ketosis while on palo/primal type diet, are you just making yourself unhealthy by consuming more fats which cannot be burned since you're not in ketosis?

From what i gather if you are eating (a "regular" diet) more carbs you're depleting your carb stores, which convert to enegy before you become hungry again?

If you go into ketosis, then have a day of carbing it up, you go back out of ketosis?

basically, if you're eating higher fats and not in ketosis are you just storing the fat and increasing your bodies fat percentage?

Is ketosis required in order for paleo/primal to work properly?

Is ketosis another form of starvation?

Is eating paleo counter productive if you are unable to burn fat for fuel?

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on November 14, 2012
at 11:03 PM

Bad things happen to me when I'm not in ketosis. 0_0

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on September 14, 2012
at 06:20 AM

That's exactly what I'm saying (maybe not too well) - I don't think you should do low carb if it makes you feel worse or out of energy. You need to adjust things to your own metabolism and situation.

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on September 13, 2012
at 04:22 PM

What if you feel worse?

D7f404b29047b12e2c2f528934b7b80b

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on September 09, 2012
at 04:43 PM

So ketosis is different than being keto adapted? Im so confused right now!!!

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on September 09, 2012
at 03:39 PM

So fat people cause food shortage and eating a "healthy" diet can stop everyone from getting fat. FAIL.

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on September 09, 2012
at 03:15 PM

Technically, you do starve yourself of glucose to achieve ketosis.

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on September 09, 2012
at 02:43 PM

Being in ketosis for extended periods of time is quite paleo as well. It's a normal physiological process.

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on September 09, 2012
at 01:12 PM

Dipping in and out of ketosis for periods of time is quite paleo.

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on September 09, 2012
at 10:07 AM

I'm a T2 diabetic - ketosis helps me keep my HbA1c < 5% (which is better than most non-diabetics). For sure there are risks, but in my case the known benefits (no diabetic complications) easily outweigh the speculative risks.

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on September 09, 2012
at 06:52 AM

Is ketosis even something a normal non-athlete human should be in? Is it a healthy or unhealthy thing to put you body through / is it dangerous?

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Bf57bcbdc19d4f1728599053acd020ab

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on September 09, 2012
at 09:03 AM

No, the main objective of the Paleo Diet is to eat for optimal health. It's my impression that there are plenty of us here who have never been overweight or metabolically deranged and who have no other health issues to deal with. There may be some advantage for being fat-burning-adapted for endurance exercise (this year's Western States 100 winner was a low carber and set a course record) but it doesn't appear to work equally for everyone. IMHO the bottom line is getting the most out of your time on this planet by optimizing your physical and mental health. What you eat happens to be critical for that.

D7f404b29047b12e2c2f528934b7b80b

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on September 13, 2012
at 04:22 PM

What if you feel worse?

Bf57bcbdc19d4f1728599053acd020ab

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on September 14, 2012
at 06:20 AM

That's exactly what I'm saying (maybe not too well) - I don't think you should do low carb if it makes you feel worse or out of energy. You need to adjust things to your own metabolism and situation.

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on September 09, 2012
at 07:31 AM

No, the main objective of Paleo is to eat healthy and to protect yourself from neolithic agents of disease. Some people use ketosis and fat-adaption, but many do not.

Ketosis is not required for paleo to work properly.

Ketosis is a starvation protection mechanism (in particular a glucose starvation protection mechansism) but you don't have to starve yourself to get into it.

If you were unable to burn fat for fuel, you'd be dead.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on September 09, 2012
at 03:15 PM

Technically, you do starve yourself of glucose to achieve ketosis.

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on September 10, 2012
at 01:34 AM

The single most important aspect of the "paleo diet" is removing overly processed foods. That alone will have the greatest number of benefits. Ketosis is just an option afterwards.

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on September 10, 2012
at 12:08 AM

Fat adaptation is another word for metabolic flexibility. It's also both a function of and a result of being aerobically fit. It is not necessarily dependent upon ketosis. However, depending on how carbohydrate intolerant you are, ketosis may be beneficial to you attaining metabolic flexibility. The easiest way to figure it out is to do a two-four-week test where you reduce carbohydrates from refined sources, dairy and fruit and eat only meat, vegetables, nuts and seeds. Something like the Whole 30 or similar. Then see if you feel better or not. If you feel better, you probably have a measure of carb intolerance and should limit your carbs to a level that doesn't bring back whatever negative things were cured by the test.

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on September 07, 2013
at 12:44 AM

OP, one myth propagated by LC diet proponents is that a person has to be in ketosis to burn fat. In fact lipolysis occurs all the time without ketosis. Ketosis occurs when there is a lack of blood glucose, resulting in release of ketones by the liver to supply energy in place of the missing glucose. http://themedicalbiochemistrypage.org/fatty-acid-oxidation.php#ketogenesis

LC diets work well as food avoidance strategies, providing that incentive some dieters need to stay away from many of the high calorie processed foods. That does not make LC paleo or ancestral. Our ancestors, not living in a world of food superabundance, ate what was available utilizing all metabolic pathways.

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on December 05, 2012
at 01:26 AM

Fat people cause food shortages, that's why we have those fat starving Africans, right, how short sighted and stupid, yes just stupid!

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on September 09, 2012
at 02:01 PM

Let us be clear on one thing. Being in ketosis means you are burning ketones for fuel, not burning fat for fuel.

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on September 09, 2012
at 08:48 AM

What we really want is people who never get fat who only ever eat a healthy diet and then you don't need starvation/ketosis at all. There is no merit in food shortage.

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on September 09, 2012
at 03:39 PM

So fat people cause food shortage and eating a "healthy" diet can stop everyone from getting fat. FAIL.

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