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Is paleo a subset of primal which is a subset of WAPF?

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Created June 03, 2012 at 10:58 PM

Am I understanding this correctly? All paleo foods are a subset of all primal foods, and all primal foods are a subset of all WAPF foods?

If yes, where does white rice fit? And, I guess all 3 of these are examples of ancestral diets?

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You are focusing on a single food as the defining attribute of 3 totally different ways of eating. Sisson is "ok" with white rice as an occasional "treat", and not a primary mode of calories. Diets like PHD and Archevore, while Ancestral and focusing on antinutrients, are not "Paleo" or "Primal" - they are their own iterations on Ancestral dieting.

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To your point on rice, I was thinking the primal circle represented the diets recommended by people like Mark Sisson and Kurt Harris, both of whom are okay with white rice. But I think you're saying white rice doesn't fit there? What am I missing?

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on June 04, 2012
at 03:34 PM

snazzy graphic - love those Venns!

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at 01:29 AM

I don't really know the answer but WAP is the shit. They been walking to walk for a whole long time and don't shout and convert the world like paleo and vegans tend to. I like their subtle, slow and steady, family-oriented vibe.

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Extremely helpful. Thank you.

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on June 04, 2012
at 12:48 AM

Though, now that I re-watch it, I'm not exactly sure why.

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at 12:43 AM

:) of course I certainly wasn't. your comment reminds me of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y

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For sure. Didn't mean to imply it was a duplicate, by the way. Also don't mean to imply that you were definitely implying I was implying that, just that you were possibly implying I was implying that. Or maybe you were definitely implying I was possibly implying that.

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at 12:21 AM

Thanks Paul. Yes, I've seen that posting. I stole some of the content for above from Melissa's excellent response. I am more interested in how WAPF fits in and much less about Atkins. Also, I have harder time seeing subsets in venn diagram than euler diagram.

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at 11:24 PM

Of interest to you perhaps, from back in the day: http://paleohacks.com/questions/4034/whats-the-difference-between-atkins-and-the-paleo-diet/4035#4035

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As a lover of anything remotely Venn in the diagram universe, I applaud you.

From the "what you can eat" standpoint, you may actually be fairly close to the mark.

However, from a "origin" perspective -

WAPF - Based off the findings and teachings of Weston A. Price and focuses on "Traditional", not necessarily "Ancestral" foods with a more agrarian-bent, prior to the emergence of heavily processed foods (Pre-WW2 era). Think of this, "Paleo is to Caveman as WAPF is to Amish, and you'd have a general idea.

Paleo - Arguments abound as to where "Paleo" really started. Was it Vilhjalmur Stefansson who introduced it, did Loren Cordain actually coin the phrase? All irrelevant. The purpose of Paleo is to initially replicate a pre-agrarian diet by eradicating specific post-agricultural foods such as grains, beans, refined sugars, dairy, and in some circles - tubers (but definitely not the consensus here).

Primal - An iteration of Paleo from Mark Sisson that uses similar logic, but opens the door to some modern foods after some examination (dairy, some legumes with low saponin content, fermented soy). Primal seems to focus primarily on carbs for weightloss, while also retaining much of the logic about antinutrients from the Paleo diet.

Where does white rice fit in? IN those above, nothing. Perfect Health Diet (an example of a "Ancestral Diet" that includes rice) is not a "Paleo" diet per se, instead it is a diet that takes the principles of Paleo and expands it (in similar fashion to the primal diet outlined above) and primarily looks at the content of anti-nutrients in foods.

There is much common ground between all of these. They all exclude refined, processed "foods of technology". They all aim to improve health through un-demonizing foods that were perfectly fine until Ancel Keys and Joseph Kellogg successfully reformed the western world to sick, fat people in the name of notoriety and profit. They also look to our evolutionary (or cultural, in the case of WAPF) past, to provide a healthier future devoid of processed, unnatural food.

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Extremely helpful. Thank you.

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on June 05, 2012
at 01:54 AM

To your point on rice, I was thinking the primal circle represented the diets recommended by people like Mark Sisson and Kurt Harris, both of whom are okay with white rice. But I think you're saying white rice doesn't fit there? What am I missing?

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on June 05, 2012
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You are focusing on a single food as the defining attribute of 3 totally different ways of eating. Sisson is "ok" with white rice as an occasional "treat", and not a primary mode of calories. Diets like PHD and Archevore, while Ancestral and focusing on antinutrients, are not "Paleo" or "Primal" - they are their own iterations on Ancestral dieting.

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