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Is obsession Paleo?

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Created October 07, 2012 at 2:44 AM

Is obsessing on a particular food Paleo? Whether it is a love or hate relationship with that food is it Paleo, or for that matter healthy, to scrutinize the diet to a high degree?

Pro's

Fewer Known toxins in the diet; Greater nutrient density; informed consent.

Con's

Higher Cortisol; Time wasted on-line instead of getting freaky, having fun or workin' out; Boring, tasteless diets become a real possibility.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on November 02, 2012
at 12:42 AM

@Luckie - Is it just me or is the irony here palpable? Someone being a deeply, profoundly spiritual-elitist talking about how bad elitism is? Speaking of which, Harry, you had a thread closed, you've down-voted every comment I've made since I voted to close your tripled-up bacon thread. You can't really talk about being high-minded while behaving like a petty troll.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10480)

on October 08, 2012
at 12:10 PM

Oh, wow, you're so deep! Did you get that out of a motivational book?! There is a time and place for everything and everyone. If hating bacon and being ridiculously banal is your new mission, go forth and have fun with that.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 08, 2012
at 08:15 AM

Luckie, some of the best qualities in people include honesty, respect for others, a sense of humor, confidence, emotional openess, compassion and a positive attitude. Being snarky, mean and elitist is very far removed from these.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10480)

on October 08, 2012
at 03:02 AM

Snark =/= hostility.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 07, 2012
at 11:07 PM

Luckie, hostility is founded on fear. You may not want to deny its a terrible thing but you may want to ask yourself why.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10480)

on October 07, 2012
at 08:47 PM

It's a valid point, MiMintzer. I come looking for both answers and fun. I find being snarky to be fun. I am also very legitimately helpful to real, nonstupid questions. While LLiM may have been inspired by Harry for this question, Harry is certainly not the only one it could apply to, and I have enjoyed some of Harry's other questions and answers. It's not personal. I don't deny that I am mean, snarky and elitist. I just deny that it's a terrible thing.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 07, 2012
at 07:29 PM

I definitely identify with the first bit about being betrayed by MDs etc... but I think at some point you have to stop and just take a breath. The practical difference between 62% fat and 59.4% fat in your diet. Or the difference between 1 slice of bacon every 4 days Vs. 2 slices ever 3 days is just so tiny it isn't going to make a huge difference in....anything. Other then draining mental energy via stress.

782d92f4127823bdfb2ddfcbcf961d0e

(5231)

on October 07, 2012
at 07:26 PM

MathGirl- I found it mean-spirited because this appears to be gloating about the 'ridiculous' questions from Harry. I find it off-putting and juvenile, but that's just me. I come to this site to look for information and most questions I think are legitimate and deserve intelligent responses, not baiting. I guess some folks look for answers, others look for fights.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 07, 2012
at 05:57 PM

I really am concerned that some people aren't so much dotting the "I"s but are worried about if the dot is perfectly circular.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 07, 2012
at 05:55 PM

I don't think it is actually that hard to see when someone has an obsession and can't let go. "OCD" might be flippant and not meant literally but when someone has 1 tiny point that they obsess on and think will somehow save themselves, or save the world when it is clearly a tiny, tiny variable...well in that case I think it is worth looking into. For instance, the people who think that switching from 85 to 90 percent chocolate will help extend their lifespan.

47edf681280750c3712a3a56f2eae33b

on October 07, 2012
at 06:30 AM

...at what they are eating.

47edf681280750c3712a3a56f2eae33b

on October 07, 2012
at 06:29 AM

Exactly: Paleo is subjective. We each do our diet to fulfill our specific needs. I want to look great and compete well. I get results on this diet I hadn't before. Sold. Some other people's needs may differ. That's ok. They complain about getting fat and wanting to workout while eating a donut my inner coach comes out. Everybody is fat. look...

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on October 07, 2012
at 05:57 AM

I'm not sure why mean spirited...I upvoted a while ago....some people are way too emotional.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on October 07, 2012
at 04:32 AM

Why is it mean spirited, MiMintzer?

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on October 07, 2012
at 04:20 AM

Sometimes my mind keeps running and I don't filter out the noise.....but then again who cares. Its just the internet :P

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on October 07, 2012
at 04:17 AM

Quite true LLM and I went way off topic wiht my answer. Been in too many conversations with that Harry fellow lately :P

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 07, 2012
at 04:09 AM

There is a difference between passionately researching a subject that is fascinating and being OCD about your diet to the point that you can make yourself drink coffee or eat a piece of bacon because it isn't "Optimal".

06ca9c524c28bc3fba95d4d90f8f43c6

on October 07, 2012
at 03:41 AM

I can think of worse things than being obsessed with learning and one's own health. We have to exercise our minds as well and the continued learning, teaching, and sharing the knowledge keeps the most important muscle growing! Not to mention it makes for some interesting debate where we all want to advance the knowledge.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on October 07, 2012
at 03:31 AM

If you disagree with ....or GASP...prove one of my previously held conceptions wrong, I'm not gonna shoot myself or anything. Shit, I was convinced veganism was correct at a more naive point in my live. I'm not scared to change.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on October 07, 2012
at 03:27 AM

Mine is an obsessive persons comment by the way....I have been and will continue to contemplate health obsessively for my own good and that of the people I do advise. However, this is not a source of stress to me, but that of continuing learning and some fun on the interwebs :)

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on October 07, 2012
at 03:13 AM

but it is lol....

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 07, 2012
at 03:09 AM

I gotta say Harry inspired the question but I really want answers. There is a lot of OCD on this site and although I'm guilty of it too, that doesn't mean we shouldn't at least stop and think. Ya know?

2e6e673ce3eb647407d260d4d57a731b

(1021)

on October 07, 2012
at 03:01 AM

throw me a pity party why don't ya

2e6e673ce3eb647407d260d4d57a731b

(1021)

on October 07, 2012
at 03:00 AM

what friends lol

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 07, 2012
at 02:59 AM

Also: "Awwww poor dear"

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10480)

on October 07, 2012
at 02:59 AM

You are right, MiMintzer. I am a meanie. But it takes all kinds and there are more than enough sheeple and hand-holders in the world to make up for snarks like me. We meanies keep each other amused.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 07, 2012
at 02:58 AM

You don't think it would be even higher from sitting on-line stressing about finding the magic bullet rather than going and talking with friends, having a walk or working out a touch?

782d92f4127823bdfb2ddfcbcf961d0e

(5231)

on October 07, 2012
at 02:56 AM

I think this is just mean-spirited.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 07, 2012
at 02:48 AM

Now I feel Luckie....punk.

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61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10480)

on October 07, 2012
at 02:46 AM

Pros - Amusing others online with your ridiculous and insane rantings.

Cons - Annoying others online after the first two or three postings of it.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 07, 2012
at 11:07 PM

Luckie, hostility is founded on fear. You may not want to deny its a terrible thing but you may want to ask yourself why.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on October 07, 2012
at 05:57 AM

I'm not sure why mean spirited...I upvoted a while ago....some people are way too emotional.

782d92f4127823bdfb2ddfcbcf961d0e

(5231)

on October 07, 2012
at 07:26 PM

MathGirl- I found it mean-spirited because this appears to be gloating about the 'ridiculous' questions from Harry. I find it off-putting and juvenile, but that's just me. I come to this site to look for information and most questions I think are legitimate and deserve intelligent responses, not baiting. I guess some folks look for answers, others look for fights.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10480)

on October 07, 2012
at 08:47 PM

It's a valid point, MiMintzer. I come looking for both answers and fun. I find being snarky to be fun. I am also very legitimately helpful to real, nonstupid questions. While LLiM may have been inspired by Harry for this question, Harry is certainly not the only one it could apply to, and I have enjoyed some of Harry's other questions and answers. It's not personal. I don't deny that I am mean, snarky and elitist. I just deny that it's a terrible thing.

782d92f4127823bdfb2ddfcbcf961d0e

(5231)

on October 07, 2012
at 02:56 AM

I think this is just mean-spirited.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10480)

on October 07, 2012
at 02:59 AM

You are right, MiMintzer. I am a meanie. But it takes all kinds and there are more than enough sheeple and hand-holders in the world to make up for snarks like me. We meanies keep each other amused.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 07, 2012
at 02:48 AM

Now I feel Luckie....punk.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on October 07, 2012
at 04:32 AM

Why is it mean spirited, MiMintzer?

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10480)

on October 08, 2012
at 03:02 AM

Snark =/= hostility.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 07, 2012
at 03:09 AM

I gotta say Harry inspired the question but I really want answers. There is a lot of OCD on this site and although I'm guilty of it too, that doesn't mean we shouldn't at least stop and think. Ya know?

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on October 07, 2012
at 03:13 AM

but it is lol....

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 08, 2012
at 08:15 AM

Luckie, some of the best qualities in people include honesty, respect for others, a sense of humor, confidence, emotional openess, compassion and a positive attitude. Being snarky, mean and elitist is very far removed from these.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10480)

on October 08, 2012
at 12:10 PM

Oh, wow, you're so deep! Did you get that out of a motivational book?! There is a time and place for everything and everyone. If hating bacon and being ridiculously banal is your new mission, go forth and have fun with that.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on November 02, 2012
at 12:42 AM

@Luckie - Is it just me or is the irony here palpable? Someone being a deeply, profoundly spiritual-elitist talking about how bad elitism is? Speaking of which, Harry, you had a thread closed, you've down-voted every comment I've made since I voted to close your tripled-up bacon thread. You can't really talk about being high-minded while behaving like a petty troll.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 07, 2012
at 08:26 AM

To recast your question in a broader context, you're asking if OCD behaviour provides a selective advantage.

One definition of OCD is a behaviour outside of appropriate context that is characterised by obsessive thought and compulsive action. Another definition is that it is a thought process designed to defend against harm in response to dangers that may be encountered in the future.

I dare say that it would not exist if there were no selective advantage for such a trait. OCD type personalities are known for their extreme concern for minutiae and cautiousness.

The inevitable problem that arises is when such evolutionary adaptations clash with modern environments.

However, it should be noted that OCD is also a highly subjective descriptive in the hands of an untrained observer. Under those circumstances diligence, attention to detail and perseverance - all highly valuable traits - can be confused with OCD.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 07, 2012
at 05:55 PM

I don't think it is actually that hard to see when someone has an obsession and can't let go. "OCD" might be flippant and not meant literally but when someone has 1 tiny point that they obsess on and think will somehow save themselves, or save the world when it is clearly a tiny, tiny variable...well in that case I think it is worth looking into. For instance, the people who think that switching from 85 to 90 percent chocolate will help extend their lifespan.

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F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on October 07, 2012
at 09:01 AM

I was wondering that myself... as well as I was wondering if most people here are food obsessed and the answer is - NO.

I think that when you feel sick and cheated by doctors and mainstream medicine, when you want your life and energy back and when one day you understand - there is hope, but everything you have learned so far is wrong... you want to make sure you are on the right path. You don't want to screw up this time.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 07, 2012
at 07:29 PM

I definitely identify with the first bit about being betrayed by MDs etc... but I think at some point you have to stop and just take a breath. The practical difference between 62% fat and 59.4% fat in your diet. Or the difference between 1 slice of bacon every 4 days Vs. 2 slices ever 3 days is just so tiny it isn't going to make a huge difference in....anything. Other then draining mental energy via stress.

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06ca9c524c28bc3fba95d4d90f8f43c6

on October 07, 2012
at 03:39 AM

  • Obsessing over which rock would make the best spear tip - - PALEO
  • Obsessing over the best way to carry a deer back to the cave - - PALEO
  • Obsessing over finding wild boar bacon - - PALEO
  • Obsessing over how I look in a loin cloth - - DEFINITELY PALEO

Matt
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3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on October 07, 2012
at 03:22 AM

Seriously what a lot of paleo and all persons miss is that health is physical, chemical and emotional. IF you don't have all three in balance you will not be as healthy as you can be. What modern science can not achieve is accurate measurement of each of these in a consistent manner and with relative knowledge to that persons individual needs.

We are all at the disadvantage of incomplete knowledge....BUT, we try to emulate healthy individuals. Instead of studying disease and illness, we try to ascertain what makes wild humans so darn healthy. What are the common factors among the various tribes that we know of that suffer little to none in the way of cancer, cardiovascular events, diabetes, obesity, and so on....We follow that simple model since biochemistry and our understanding of the human machine is still in its infancy.

Our knowledge does and continues to improve and expand, but not in pace with our processing of food. Its like the old Jurassic Park bit..."yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should."....that is the state of nutritional science. We have no option but to go back to what use to work.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 07, 2012
at 04:09 AM

There is a difference between passionately researching a subject that is fascinating and being OCD about your diet to the point that you can make yourself drink coffee or eat a piece of bacon because it isn't "Optimal".

47edf681280750c3712a3a56f2eae33b

on October 07, 2012
at 06:30 AM

...at what they are eating.

06ca9c524c28bc3fba95d4d90f8f43c6

on October 07, 2012
at 03:41 AM

I can think of worse things than being obsessed with learning and one's own health. We have to exercise our minds as well and the continued learning, teaching, and sharing the knowledge keeps the most important muscle growing! Not to mention it makes for some interesting debate where we all want to advance the knowledge.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on October 07, 2012
at 04:17 AM

Quite true LLM and I went way off topic wiht my answer. Been in too many conversations with that Harry fellow lately :P

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on October 07, 2012
at 04:20 AM

Sometimes my mind keeps running and I don't filter out the noise.....but then again who cares. Its just the internet :P

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on October 07, 2012
at 03:31 AM

If you disagree with ....or GASP...prove one of my previously held conceptions wrong, I'm not gonna shoot myself or anything. Shit, I was convinced veganism was correct at a more naive point in my live. I'm not scared to change.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on October 07, 2012
at 03:27 AM

Mine is an obsessive persons comment by the way....I have been and will continue to contemplate health obsessively for my own good and that of the people I do advise. However, this is not a source of stress to me, but that of continuing learning and some fun on the interwebs :)

47edf681280750c3712a3a56f2eae33b

on October 07, 2012
at 06:29 AM

Exactly: Paleo is subjective. We each do our diet to fulfill our specific needs. I want to look great and compete well. I get results on this diet I hadn't before. Sold. Some other people's needs may differ. That's ok. They complain about getting fat and wanting to workout while eating a donut my inner coach comes out. Everybody is fat. look...

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 07, 2012
at 05:57 PM

I really am concerned that some people aren't so much dotting the "I"s but are worried about if the dot is perfectly circular.

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3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on October 07, 2012
at 04:01 AM

Hey nada, we all feel that way at times....No worrys :>)......we wouldn't be here talking on the interwebs if we didnt right?

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2e6e673ce3eb647407d260d4d57a731b

(1021)

on October 07, 2012
at 02:56 AM

I'll have high cortisol levels regardless of whatever diet I choose :(

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 07, 2012
at 02:59 AM

Also: "Awwww poor dear"

2e6e673ce3eb647407d260d4d57a731b

(1021)

on October 07, 2012
at 03:00 AM

what friends lol

2e6e673ce3eb647407d260d4d57a731b

(1021)

on October 07, 2012
at 03:01 AM

throw me a pity party why don't ya

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 07, 2012
at 02:58 AM

You don't think it would be even higher from sitting on-line stressing about finding the magic bullet rather than going and talking with friends, having a walk or working out a touch?

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