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Is natural honey effectively Paleo?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created May 23, 2012 at 7:42 PM

I consume maybe 20 grams of carb daily. High fat and some protein. However I do down a teaspoon of raw honey before bed. I seem to sleep more soundly that way. My question: Is honey Paleo? It's been consumed by humans for a few thousand years, bui don't know if it goes back 10,000 years. Can someone shed light on this?

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on June 27, 2013
at 10:23 AM

you don't need to kill bees to get honey! you also don't need to actively keep them. bees often fill up a whole tree with honey and then move (swarm) to a new nearby home. if you think our ancestors wouldn't have eaten raw unfiltered honey straight from an abandoned tree?!?! it also keeps forever without any preservation and is considered a sacred food.

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on April 22, 2013
at 03:47 AM

yes .

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on July 11, 2012
at 07:06 AM

Well in practice actually even the fructose content would become fermentable if you ate too much at once. I guess SCD and gaps only worries about things that ferment in you bowel (ie starches etc), fodmaps only worries about things that ferment before then (small and large intestine). Personally I do a bit of both -avoid fodmaps, use glucose as a sweetner and limit starches to a smaller amount, and berries per serve as well, just to cover all bases, without going ketogenic.

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on July 11, 2012
at 06:52 AM

(well actually technically its not allowed because of its high fructose content, but practically fructose is only a fodmap based on quantity consumed, not its mere presence, ie the rate limiting factor of fructose absorbtion, and so in small quantities, its more likely the galactose and maltose will give you trouble....and I found it trouble, even in small amounts, and some other people on the net who found it gave them trouble while on GAPS too)

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on July 11, 2012
at 06:51 AM

(well actually technically its not allowed because of its high fructose content, but practically fructose is only a fodmap based on quantity consumed, ie the rate limiting factor of fructose absorbtion, and so in small quantities, its more likely the galactose and maltose will give you trouble....at least it did for me, and some other people on the net who found it gave them trouble while on GAPS)

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The presence of insulin like compounds that prevent insulin spikes (which is a great plus), not its digestibility, which is mostly pretty good, except for the maltose and galactose in it, which is a bit iffy if your trying to avoid fermentables, even if there in small quantity, they are both sugars that are significantly hard to digest...

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"s for its fructose and other sugar content, it's all monosaccarides, which is totally absorbable by the human body before reaches the gut" - Ah, no. Honey has a small amount of sucrose, a decent wack of fructose (absorbable quickly if its under a certain thresold quantity) & glucose (very very absorbable, and speed up absorbtion of fructose), AND a smaller amount of maltose and galactose, both of which are very very hard to digest. Hence why honey is not allowed on the fodmaps diet. No idea why the GAPSs diet prefers honey over sugar, or better glucose, as honeys main benefit sugar wise is..

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on May 24, 2012
at 01:51 AM

I see no reason why honey would prevent weight-loss, or why it would have to be unfiltered.

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on May 23, 2012
at 09:16 PM

I can remember watching Ray Mears in Africa with tribes that still hunter gather and they eat honey ! I found this clip which shows how they obtain it. Go to 2.39 to see! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7s9DWNDkbI

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on May 23, 2012
at 08:59 PM

i doubt it was worth the trouble.. my guess is they only ate honey if someone was dumb enough to attract the swarm away from the hive. that or found it abandoned.

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on May 23, 2012
at 07:55 PM

But did Paleolithic woman keep bees, or did she smash the hive and run?

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on May 23, 2012
at 07:53 PM

Why kill the bees? Keep them around to make more!

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on May 23, 2012
at 07:47 PM

Yes, honey IS Paleo (despite some Paleo decision-tree graphics that float online saying it's not). Hunter-gatherer tribes are often put their lives at risk to get some honey. As long as:

  1. You're not trying to lose weight

  2. You're not trying to be ketogenic

  3. Your honey is raw, unfiltered, AND local

then honey is perfectly Paleo, and it has very potent anti-microbial properties (just don't heat it up, so its agents remain alive during consumption).

As for its fructose and other sugar content, it's all monosaccarides, which is totally absorbable by the human body before reaches the gut, and so it does not feed gut bacteria (which result in other problems). This is why the healing SCD and GAPS diets (similar to Paleo) allow "real" honey, even if they're low carb otherwise.

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on May 24, 2012
at 01:51 AM

I see no reason why honey would prevent weight-loss, or why it would have to be unfiltered.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on July 11, 2012
at 07:06 AM

Well in practice actually even the fructose content would become fermentable if you ate too much at once. I guess SCD and gaps only worries about things that ferment in you bowel (ie starches etc), fodmaps only worries about things that ferment before then (small and large intestine). Personally I do a bit of both -avoid fodmaps, use glucose as a sweetner and limit starches to a smaller amount, and berries per serve as well, just to cover all bases, without going ketogenic.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on July 11, 2012
at 06:46 AM

The presence of insulin like compounds that prevent insulin spikes (which is a great plus), not its digestibility, which is mostly pretty good, except for the maltose and galactose in it, which is a bit iffy if your trying to avoid fermentables, even if there in small quantity, they are both sugars that are significantly hard to digest...

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on July 11, 2012
at 06:51 AM

(well actually technically its not allowed because of its high fructose content, but practically fructose is only a fodmap based on quantity consumed, ie the rate limiting factor of fructose absorbtion, and so in small quantities, its more likely the galactose and maltose will give you trouble....at least it did for me, and some other people on the net who found it gave them trouble while on GAPS)

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on July 11, 2012
at 06:52 AM

(well actually technically its not allowed because of its high fructose content, but practically fructose is only a fodmap based on quantity consumed, not its mere presence, ie the rate limiting factor of fructose absorbtion, and so in small quantities, its more likely the galactose and maltose will give you trouble....and I found it trouble, even in small amounts, and some other people on the net who found it gave them trouble while on GAPS too)

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on July 11, 2012
at 06:44 AM

"s for its fructose and other sugar content, it's all monosaccarides, which is totally absorbable by the human body before reaches the gut" - Ah, no. Honey has a small amount of sucrose, a decent wack of fructose (absorbable quickly if its under a certain thresold quantity) & glucose (very very absorbable, and speed up absorbtion of fructose), AND a smaller amount of maltose and galactose, both of which are very very hard to digest. Hence why honey is not allowed on the fodmaps diet. No idea why the GAPSs diet prefers honey over sugar, or better glucose, as honeys main benefit sugar wise is..

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De641ff2accb4975e1f42886b43009db

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on May 23, 2012
at 07:50 PM

Raw honey contains a small amount of minerals, amino acids, and vitamins making it a far better choice than cane sugar, agave or stevia. Processed honey is crap.

Source: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/is-honey-a-safer-sweetener/#axzz1viwXz39m

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on May 23, 2012
at 09:19 PM

Remember: we eat this way because it is an effective way to eat whole, natural foods, which benefit our bodies. It doesn't necessarily follow that we would or would not eat something that our ancestors ate thousands of years ago (we wouldn't be able to know exactly what they ate, anyways, without a time machine!). If you wanted to go that route, why are you on the internet? haha

Whenever possible, you should purchase locally raised, raw honey. It is tastier & more potent! The benefits outweigh any negatives in my opinion.

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on May 24, 2012
at 04:05 AM

Ask this guy if it's Paleo after he climbed a 40m tree in the Congo to gather honey for his family (from the MDA post mentioned previously):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p06p65vU4-4

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on June 27, 2013
at 10:32 AM

Honey was absolutely, without a doubt, consumed by our ancestors. I'm a farmer and I know how hard it is to use my hands to turn soil and water and sunshine into nourishing calories...so I can only imagine how hard it was without seed catalogs, composted horse manure, and drip irrigation! If a paleolithic tribe found an abandoned hollow log full of honey it would have been our modern day equivalent to winning the lottery! Easy calories that don't need any processing (drying, fermenting, etc.) and keeps forever! A separate question is, for a contemporary tummy attempting to tap into the health of our ancestors, is honey a good choice? If you are eating honey before bed and feeling good, then I think you have already answered your own question. Honey is 'paleo' for you. For some people (sadly, myself right now) honey causes problems. But my feeling is a healthy happy healed tummy can tolerate honey very well and that raw honey is an amazing and sacred food! I see not being able to digest honey, or honey giving my stomach a hard time, as a sign of needing healing in the gut. Because, honey is right up there with lard and liver as being a crazy awesome gift from the earth!

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on June 27, 2013
at 05:06 AM

Ancient Egyptians used honey to sweeten their blue lotus infused wine as blue lotus made the wine more bitter. Honey is a fantastic sweetener in moderation... I like brushing it on my fish or veggies with salt and pepper. Raw organic honey has a stronger flavor than the store bought processed garbage, only a little (1/2 teaspoon to 1 teaspoon) I've found goes a very long way, so if in moderation it should not affect a low carb diet badly unless you eat massive quantities. I also use organic liquid and powdered stevia to sweeten, stevia is just an herb that's a great alternative to disgusting artificial cancer causing sweeteners.

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on April 22, 2013
at 02:32 AM

Honey was definitely eaten and enjoyed by our Paleolithic ancestors. There are pictographs in Africa from c5000 bc showing hunters raiding wild bee hives for honey. Depictions in Egypt on tombs 2500 bc showing smoke blown into wild hives and in Israel man made hives have been excavated from 1000bc.

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on July 11, 2012
at 06:34 AM

Watch the BBC human planet series. there is a great examples of tribes risking their lives for honey.

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on May 24, 2012
at 01:29 AM

Ive read that honey is a whole food only when larva is present.

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on May 23, 2012
at 07:45 PM

Only if you kill the bees yourself.

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on May 23, 2012
at 07:55 PM

But did Paleolithic woman keep bees, or did she smash the hive and run?

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on May 23, 2012
at 07:53 PM

Why kill the bees? Keep them around to make more!

De641ff2accb4975e1f42886b43009db

(2227)

on May 23, 2012
at 08:59 PM

i doubt it was worth the trouble.. my guess is they only ate honey if someone was dumb enough to attract the swarm away from the hive. that or found it abandoned.

6d99341e97fe2dfaff52273a455336b1

(15)

on May 23, 2012
at 09:16 PM

I can remember watching Ray Mears in Africa with tribes that still hunter gather and they eat honey ! I found this clip which shows how they obtain it. Go to 2.39 to see! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7s9DWNDkbI

4856eae0511e116135bba0acc3e42ce5

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on June 27, 2013
at 10:23 AM

you don't need to kill bees to get honey! you also don't need to actively keep them. bees often fill up a whole tree with honey and then move (swarm) to a new nearby home. if you think our ancestors wouldn't have eaten raw unfiltered honey straight from an abandoned tree?!?! it also keeps forever without any preservation and is considered a sacred food.

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