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Is Marmite paleo?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created May 22, 2011 at 4:48 PM

Hi all,

It seems somewhat open to question whether Marmite (a yeast extract based spread from the UK) is truly gluten-free or not but the preponderance of sites seem to say so (at least for Marmite made in the UK), including Wikipedia.

That said, is there anything else that would make Marmite non-paleo?

Its ingredients are listed as follows: Yeast extract, salt, vegetable extract, niacin, thiamin, spice extracts (contains celery), riboflavin, folic acid, vitamin B12.

If it is, then I'd recommend it to those who haven't tried it, as a dressing for eggs or a cooking 'sauce' in its own right (it's more typically eaten with toast in the UK).

Thanks,

Richard

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on February 18, 2013
at 03:15 PM

+1 for lemon curd!

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on February 07, 2012
at 02:42 PM

I use a yeast extract from Organic Gourmet, which is quite nice. http://www.organic-gourmet.com/products2.html#co07 It is nutritional yeast extract and sea salt.

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on May 24, 2011
at 07:12 PM

“If people let the government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny.” ~Thomas Jefferson, 1781

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on May 24, 2011
at 06:45 PM

OK I give up. Just please try and think more critically about the things that you read.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on May 24, 2011
at 03:28 PM

It's not the same as the glutamate your body creates when you ingest natural forms found in foods such as vegetables, mushrooms or meat. Even lots of natural glutamic acid is safe. However yeast extract, hydrlolyzed proteins are all dangerous. Lots of impurities! Wouldn't you agree people should know that a product they are eating contains impurities and is not the same as the real stuff?

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on May 24, 2011
at 01:52 PM

Vast neuroscience literature? So can you link to a single study showing that dietary glutamate, at a normal level of consumption such as a spoonfull of Marmite, causes excitotoxicity in the human brain? I would be very interested to see one.

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on May 24, 2011
at 12:15 PM

Vast neuroscience literature? So can to link to a single study showing that dietary glutamate, at a normal level of consumption such as a spoonfull of Marmite, causes excitotoxicity in the human brain? I would be very interested to see one.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on May 23, 2011
at 09:37 PM

Also I'd like to add, whenever I refer to GMO's, fluoride, MSG and other industrial toxins for the most part I am speaking for the USA. I don't know how bad it is in Europe or other parts of the world.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on May 23, 2011
at 09:31 PM

Marmite is capable of causing toxicity similar to MSG because it causes nearly as much excessive neurotransmitter excitation. People should know the truth and then decide on whether they want to add this to their diet. Many people would avoid this and other products if they knew it was the same as MSG. At least that fact should be known, whether or not it causes "brain damage" is whether or not you believe all the extensive neuroscience literature on "excitoxins". I recommend reading "Excitotoxins: The Taste That Kills". That covers it all....then decide for yourself! =) For more Paleo

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 23, 2011
at 09:31 PM

Marmite is capable of causing toxicity similar to MSG because it causes nearly as much excessive neurotransmitter excitation. People should know the truth and then decide on whether they want to add this to their diet. Many people would avoid this and other products if they knew it was the same as MSG. At least that fact should be known, whether or not it causes "brain damage" is whether or not you believe all the extensive neuroscience literature on "excitoxins". I recommend reading "Excitotoxins: The Taste That Kills". That covers it all....then decide then for yourself! =)

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 23, 2011
at 09:29 PM

Marmite is capable of causing toxicity similar to MSG because it causes nearly as much excessive neurotransmitter excitation. People should know the truth and then decide on whether they want to add this to their diet. Many people would avoid this(and soy sauce/Worcestershire sauce if they knew it was the same as MSG. At least that fact should be known, whether or not it causes "brain damage" is whether or not you believe all the extensive neuroscience literature on "excitoxins". I recommend reading "Excitotoxins: The Taste That Kills". That covers it all....then decide then for yourself! =)

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on May 23, 2011
at 09:26 PM

Marmite is capable of causing toxicity similar to MSG because it causes nearly as much excessive neurotransmitter excitation. People should know the truth and then decide on whether they want to add this to their diet. Many people would avoid this if they knew it was the same as MSG. At least that fact should be known, whether or not it causes "brain damage" is whether or not you believe all the medical/neurology literature. I recommend reading "Excitotoxins: The Taste That Kills". The truth ain't fun but it's better than ingesting addictive drugs-like/taste enhancing substances such as MSG.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on May 23, 2011
at 09:20 PM

Marmite is capable of causing MSG symptoms because it contains almost as much neurotransmitter excitation as MSG. People should know the truth, then decide on whether they want to add this to their diet. Many people would avoid MSG if they knew a product had it, but many don't realize it hides in stuff like marmite, soy sauce and worchester shrire sauce. I realize marmite has cultural significance to you Europeans but no reason to be scared of the truth! ;)

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on May 23, 2011
at 02:51 PM

You strongly implied that eating Marmite will destroy your brain. There are other reasons but that was the one that stood out most.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on May 23, 2011
at 02:30 PM

Whoever pointed me down can you explain why? Just curious lol don't be afraid to comment.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on May 23, 2011
at 02:29 PM

To whoever pointed my point down can you explain why? I'm just curious and perhaps it can be helpful information.

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on May 23, 2011
at 09:44 AM

Hahaha! Marmite is a subject that divides the nation (well Britain at least). Even the advertising slogan is "You either love it or hate it" and that just about sums it up - there is no middle ground. You don't find people saying "yeah, it's OK".

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Cf5a9f26a193a938ad4ea7002e425069

on May 23, 2011
at 05:28 AM

Does it matter? Marmite is nasty stuff!

(Two years in boarding school in UK, and people used to sneak it into the jam on my toast when I went to get more tea, just to see me make faces...yuck)

  • Yank hates marmite (and weetabix, for that matter, which also is not paleo)

7f4c64d6caca80c74a6c2d91efa3259b

(831)

on May 23, 2011
at 09:44 AM

Hahaha! Marmite is a subject that divides the nation (well Britain at least). Even the advertising slogan is "You either love it or hate it" and that just about sums it up - there is no middle ground. You don't find people saying "yeah, it's OK".

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on May 01, 2012
at 11:25 AM

Never liked marmite or marmalade I was a lemon curd on toast addict as a kid

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on February 18, 2013
at 03:15 PM

+1 for lemon curd!

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on May 25, 2011
at 08:14 AM

Just out of interest since this is a Marmite thread, it has just been reported that Denmark has banned Marmite from all of its stores (along with a few other foodstuffs - I use the term loosely in some cases :) because it/they are fortified with vitamins, various B vits and folic acid in Marmite's case.

The idea is that the Danish Government doesn't want its people to exceed the daily recommended amounts of vitamins which, apparently, they may do if they eat nothing but these items 24 hours a day! Would have thought the salt content would have got them long before the extra vitamins. Besides, B vitamins are flushed from your system regularly since they are water soluble.

Other items on the banned list include Vegemite (the Australian version of Marmite), Horlicks and Ovaltine (British, hot beverages with malt/chocolate etc.), Farleys Rusks, and various Kelloggs cereals.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13536479

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on May 23, 2011
at 12:55 AM

I edited my post because I believe this explains it better than I did in my own words:

How do truly natural glutamic acid and manufactured glutamic acid (MSG) differ?

Glutamic acid is an amino acid found in abundance in both plant and animal protein. In humans it is a non-essential amino acid, i.e., the body is capable of producing its own glutamic acid, and is not dependent upon getting glutamic acid from ingested food.

Glutamate is glutamic acid to which a mineral ion has been attached. (Researchers call this mineral ion a ???salt???.) If the mineral ion is sodium, the glutamic acid becomes sodium glutamate. If the mineral ion is potassium, the glutamic acid becomes potassium glutamate.

In addition to its role as a building block of protein, glutamic acid serves as a neurotransmitter vital to the transmission of nerve impulses in many parts of the central nervous system. Under certain circumstances, glutamic acid becomes a neurotoxin, causing neuron degeneration and cell death which may be followed by neuroendocrine disorders.

When protein is digested, the glutamic acid in that protein is released for use in the body. If there is need, additional glutamic acid can be synthesized from other amino acids contained in ingested protein. If an individual never ingested protein with glutamic acid in it, that individual could synthesize all the glutamic acid needed for body function from other amino acids. The human brain is also capable of synthesizing glutamic acid according to its metabolic needs, from endogenous materials. Glutamic acid is referred to as a non-essential amino acid because a healthy human can manufacture/synthesize all the glutamic acid needed for normal body function from other amino acids.

What is MSG?

MSG is glutamic acid that has been produced outside of the human (or animal) body. But when glutamic acid is produced or created in this way (outside of the human body), it differs significantly from the glutamic acid found in unadulterated, unprocessed, unfermented protein or released from unadulterated, unprocessed, unfermented protein during digestion. Glutamic acid found normally in the human body (and in all higher organisms) is glutamic acid in the L form, i.e., L-glutamic acid. Glutamic acid that is produced outside of the human body is made up of L-glutamic acid and an array of unwanted by-products often referred to as impurities. L-glutamic acid produced outside of the human body is always accompanied by impurities such as D-glutamic acid and pyroglutamic acid; and when L-glutamic acid is produced by way of acid hydrolysis, carcinogenic mono and dichloro propanols inevitably accompany it.

All manufactured free amino acids are accompanied by impurities. The fact that glutamate produced outside of the human body is categorized as food grade or pharmaceutical grade (99% pure) attests to the fact that impurities always accompany amino acids produced outside the body.

MSG fed to the very young has been shown to cause brain damage and subsequent learning, behavior, and endocrine disorders such as reproductive disorders and gross obesity. Ingestion of MSG by people of all ages will cause adverse reactions when people ingest amounts that exceed their individual tolerance levels. Eating protein (which will contain bound glutamic acid that is L-glutamic acid, only) does not cause either brain damage or adverse reactions.

source:http://www.truthinlabeling.org/III.What%20is%20MSG.html

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19235)

on May 24, 2011
at 01:52 PM

Vast neuroscience literature? So can you link to a single study showing that dietary glutamate, at a normal level of consumption such as a spoonfull of Marmite, causes excitotoxicity in the human brain? I would be very interested to see one.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 23, 2011
at 09:31 PM

Marmite is capable of causing toxicity similar to MSG because it causes nearly as much excessive neurotransmitter excitation. People should know the truth and then decide on whether they want to add this to their diet. Many people would avoid this and other products if they knew it was the same as MSG. At least that fact should be known, whether or not it causes "brain damage" is whether or not you believe all the extensive neuroscience literature on "excitoxins". I recommend reading "Excitotoxins: The Taste That Kills". That covers it all....then decide then for yourself! =)

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 23, 2011
at 09:31 PM

Marmite is capable of causing toxicity similar to MSG because it causes nearly as much excessive neurotransmitter excitation. People should know the truth and then decide on whether they want to add this to their diet. Many people would avoid this and other products if they knew it was the same as MSG. At least that fact should be known, whether or not it causes "brain damage" is whether or not you believe all the extensive neuroscience literature on "excitoxins". I recommend reading "Excitotoxins: The Taste That Kills". That covers it all....then decide for yourself! =) For more Paleo

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 23, 2011
at 09:20 PM

Marmite is capable of causing MSG symptoms because it contains almost as much neurotransmitter excitation as MSG. People should know the truth, then decide on whether they want to add this to their diet. Many people would avoid MSG if they knew a product had it, but many don't realize it hides in stuff like marmite, soy sauce and worchester shrire sauce. I realize marmite has cultural significance to you Europeans but no reason to be scared of the truth! ;)

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19235)

on May 23, 2011
at 02:51 PM

You strongly implied that eating Marmite will destroy your brain. There are other reasons but that was the one that stood out most.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 23, 2011
at 02:30 PM

Whoever pointed me down can you explain why? Just curious lol don't be afraid to comment.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 23, 2011
at 09:29 PM

Marmite is capable of causing toxicity similar to MSG because it causes nearly as much excessive neurotransmitter excitation. People should know the truth and then decide on whether they want to add this to their diet. Many people would avoid this(and soy sauce/Worcestershire sauce if they knew it was the same as MSG. At least that fact should be known, whether or not it causes "brain damage" is whether or not you believe all the extensive neuroscience literature on "excitoxins". I recommend reading "Excitotoxins: The Taste That Kills". That covers it all....then decide then for yourself! =)

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 24, 2011
at 03:28 PM

It's not the same as the glutamate your body creates when you ingest natural forms found in foods such as vegetables, mushrooms or meat. Even lots of natural glutamic acid is safe. However yeast extract, hydrlolyzed proteins are all dangerous. Lots of impurities! Wouldn't you agree people should know that a product they are eating contains impurities and is not the same as the real stuff?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 23, 2011
at 02:29 PM

To whoever pointed my point down can you explain why? I'm just curious and perhaps it can be helpful information.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 23, 2011
at 09:37 PM

Also I'd like to add, whenever I refer to GMO's, fluoride, MSG and other industrial toxins for the most part I am speaking for the USA. I don't know how bad it is in Europe or other parts of the world.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 24, 2011
at 07:12 PM

“If people let the government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny.” ~Thomas Jefferson, 1781

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19235)

on May 24, 2011
at 12:15 PM

Vast neuroscience literature? So can to link to a single study showing that dietary glutamate, at a normal level of consumption such as a spoonfull of Marmite, causes excitotoxicity in the human brain? I would be very interested to see one.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 23, 2011
at 09:26 PM

Marmite is capable of causing toxicity similar to MSG because it causes nearly as much excessive neurotransmitter excitation. People should know the truth and then decide on whether they want to add this to their diet. Many people would avoid this if they knew it was the same as MSG. At least that fact should be known, whether or not it causes "brain damage" is whether or not you believe all the medical/neurology literature. I recommend reading "Excitotoxins: The Taste That Kills". The truth ain't fun but it's better than ingesting addictive drugs-like/taste enhancing substances such as MSG.

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19235)

on May 24, 2011
at 06:45 PM

OK I give up. Just please try and think more critically about the things that you read.

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on May 22, 2011
at 05:28 PM

I think that the controversy probably stems from the fact that Marmite is derived from brewer's yeast, which is not gluten free when a by-product of beer, although can often be when created from sugar or other coeliac friendly sources. If you're unsure, I suggest getting in touch with the company - most large brands will be more than happy to provide you with this sort of information.

However, from a more general Paleo perspective Marmite is best avoided (or at least not consumed regularly) as yeast extract is very high in free glutamates, an MSG analogue which some believe acts as a neuro-excitotoxin/has other undesireable effects.

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on February 18, 2013
at 01:19 PM

Love Marmite, on toast, with cheese, Marmite sandwich with carrot and celery sticks ... No bread, no Marmite, I guess.

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on May 01, 2012
at 07:37 PM

all that being said above..if you really love it and want to eat it and it..go ahead!! it is your life..and I mean that. no guru would tell me NOT to eat what I want. the choice always belongs to the one eating..and no one else.The paleo gurus are "human" just like you and I and the rest of the world.

the idea is a healthy eating platform..you don't need to get fundamentalist over it..>>anyone!

some paleo gurus won't give up their wine/spirits..they each have it tuned to their own ideas..you are free to make your own too..

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on May 01, 2012
at 03:39 PM

I asked this question on another paleo site and I got a resounding "no it's not paleo, and you're an idiot because you didn't know." I'm not calling you an idiot, but look it up on wikipedia. It's just about the most processed thing in existence.

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on May 01, 2012
at 01:25 PM

Marmite is definitely not paleo (from a puritanistic or sensible paleo angle). It's made from yeast. Our ancestors most certainly did not farm yeast. Even neolithic advances in fermentation relied on wild fermentation for a very long time.

However, I also use nutritional yeast on occasion. It's technically not paleo at all, but is a good source of protein and vitamins. Marmite may also be fortified IIRC, so it may have a different vitamin profile than pure yeast.

If you enjoy it, I wouldn't worry about it being paleo or not -- it's close enough. :-)

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on May 24, 2011
at 05:11 AM

I found a FAQ on marmite at truthinlabeling.com, I hope this helps too:

http://www.truthinlabeling.org/Marmite%20FAQ.htm#whatare

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