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Is it just me or is Paleo Hacks being flooded with new people who keep saying paleo doesn't work

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Created January 05, 2011 at 11:35 AM

Is it just me? I'm not accusing anyone of lying about paleo not working for them but if more people understood that each individual is different. Individuals need to experiment on themselves to find what foods work for them.

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on February 24, 2012
at 04:33 AM

Whee, I've been achieving the nearly impossible, lately. Seriously, though, I see your point, but it may not apply to people with celiac disease or other weird autoimmune disorders. When I went on an elimination diet for a few months of mostly meat and green veggies, I managed to gain 5 lbs (of fat). There are a lot of reasons that could be, but I was still eating the vast majority of my calories from beef and kale. I'd hate for someone to see this comment and get discouraged because they think it should be impossible to gain weight on such a strict regimen. So it's good you wrote "nearly".

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on February 24, 2012
at 12:19 AM

Well said, Alex! My point exactly.

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on February 24, 2012
at 12:12 AM

I agree 100%. If I eat too much paleo food, I put on weight. Recently, my weight crept up a bit, and I counted calories on FitDay and dropped back down, eight pounds in five weeks. For me, starch in any form elevates hunger. The fruits I do eat and non-starchy veggies don't have that effect, and I get all the hunger suppression effects of low-carb while eating as much as 150 grams of carbohydrate per day. For me, that's the real beauty of paleo.

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on February 24, 2012
at 12:03 AM

You can still eat too many paleo foods that lead to weight gain, that's my point (see above regarding the "still need to watch calories"). Eating 3,000 calories worth of paleo foods when you're only burning 2,000 will still lead to fat accumulation. And again, I prefaced this with "in my case." Others may be different, but I needed to re-adopt calorie counting to see any movement in the opposite direction in regards to my waistline. Still, I only eat paleo foods... just way, way less at a time.

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on February 23, 2012
at 11:58 PM

Non-sequitar last paragraph. You say staying away from cereal grains is the solution, but paleo-approved foods are the problem? Huh? I will concede that the so-called paleo diet is a chaotic mess of misinformation, but your line of thought is a bigger mess.

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on March 03, 2011
at 07:49 AM

Thanks for the encouragement. Just finished a strict Paleo detox of 4 weeks. Managing expectations of what that could do for me is the hard part. Although I achieved some of the results many people want like losing weight and getting off sugar, the more complex problems I started this for are still with me unabated. I'm prepared to keep going- I just don't know what the refinements are after such a strict detox.

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at 10:05 AM

Zen. Search could utilized though.

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at 12:01 AM

amen to your second paragraph there. i think a while back on the podcast Wolf was like, paleo works as long as really do paleo.

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on January 05, 2011
at 11:43 PM

And the whole world!

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on January 05, 2011
at 11:39 PM

^ omg. Could I have more typos? Seriously. "It took ME" and I was watching "RATIOS" not rations.

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on January 05, 2011
at 11:38 PM

It took my 6 years of "healthy eating" to find Paleo. I started out just watching calories and still eating crap like 100 calorie oreo packs and no fat cheese. As I hit different plateaus over the years, I researched and learned more all the time. I started watching rations of fat/protein/carbs. I learned to strength train instead of killing myself with cardio. It was a HUGE learning curve for me. When my trainer started Paleo, I thought he was nuts, but I saw his results and thought I'd give it a try. I thought I was eating well/healthy this whole time!

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on January 05, 2011
at 06:57 PM

I know to some of you that have been around for longer it must be frustrating. I see some value to asking the questions again sometimes and in a different way. There are always new people floating around and who knows what they may have knowledge about. I know updating an older thread is possible, but it doesn't always garner the same responses.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on January 05, 2011
at 06:33 PM

Yeah totally. I do feel though that this forum has been flooded in the way I described above since a few months prior to new year. Like someone commented above, I kind of wish more people would search for related questions before posting some of the usual suspects. But hey, wise Internet-usage is a different animal than paleo living.

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on January 05, 2011
at 06:13 PM

+1 for "Bottom line is that this takes work and some degree of discipline. It it's not worth it to someone to put the time in, then the results can't be guaranteed." I couldn't agree more! Paleo isn't a quick fix and that's what a lot of people are looking for.

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at 05:08 PM

@sherpamelissa: Yeah, my local YMCA is super-crowded too. I just find an open space and do stretches and swings with a 22 pound steel bar, until I get the room I need. (evil heh)

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at 04:51 PM

totally agree. if you're insulin resistant yet your cheat is something that is high in fructose for your 5-20% then you're probably going to drastically slow down your progress. by the way, steve-aegis, your comment on the potatoes post led me to put them back in my diet and two weeks in, i'm feeling better and still maintaining the same steady weight loss. thanks for that. now i tell the other people that i help that potatoes aren't gone forever!

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at 04:27 PM

even more so, even if your 95%/5%, if that 5% contains something that is damaging your system, its 100% useless and wont work. My best analogy would be a Celiac eating Organic, Natural, Non-GMO, Homegrown, Wheat. If you arent smart about what that small percent of cheats are specifically, you Fail.

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It's also part of the New Year's Resolutioners that are googling everything to do with "DIET" stuff that are probably appearing too.

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at 12:36 PM

agree - I think if we say away from sugar and grains - work out the rest on an individual basis - stop obsessing about which food and how much - listen to our bodies and above all enjoy our life - we probably cant go wrong!

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on January 05, 2011
at 12:07 PM

I find that when I gain weight/feel lousy while trying to "be paleo," I'm not being as paleo as I think I am. I'll assume I'm 80% there, but when I keep a food log and track my exercise and sleep, I'm really only 40% there. That other 60% is really holding me back.

You are correct that each individual needs to experiment on themselves to find what works. Use Mark's book or Robb's book as a guide, but make it work for you.

Many newbies also need to understand that years and years of SAD and wreaking metabolic havoc on your body may not be undone in a few weeks or months. Stick with it, learn from other's experiences, and trust that the results will happen - it just may take more time than you like.

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on January 05, 2011
at 04:27 PM

even more so, even if your 95%/5%, if that 5% contains something that is damaging your system, its 100% useless and wont work. My best analogy would be a Celiac eating Organic, Natural, Non-GMO, Homegrown, Wheat. If you arent smart about what that small percent of cheats are specifically, you Fail.

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on January 05, 2011
at 04:51 PM

totally agree. if you're insulin resistant yet your cheat is something that is high in fructose for your 5-20% then you're probably going to drastically slow down your progress. by the way, steve-aegis, your comment on the potatoes post led me to put them back in my diet and two weeks in, i'm feeling better and still maintaining the same steady weight loss. thanks for that. now i tell the other people that i help that potatoes aren't gone forever!

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on January 05, 2011
at 12:29 PM

Absolutely, I don't think we've been invaded by the raw vegans yet, but whole foods is still really broad and really easy to misbalance.

Technically the raw vegans would be a sub category of paleo, however unsustainable long term.

What we hope to achieve here I think, is aiming people towards the education of good meats, good fats, which carbs are friendly. Lectins, antinutrients, hormones and a better understanding o how our bodies and digestive systems work.

There is no Red Pill. There is simple self experimentation, and when you find your personal n=1 that works long term, it's a great weight.

There are however some broad things that seem to affect the majority short or Long term, those are what I believe we should focus on correcting.

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on January 05, 2011
at 12:36 PM

agree - I think if we say away from sugar and grains - work out the rest on an individual basis - stop obsessing about which food and how much - listen to our bodies and above all enjoy our life - we probably cant go wrong!

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on January 05, 2011
at 05:57 PM

I don't think there's any one book or plan that is going to work perfectly off-the-shelf for everyone. I also tend to think that when someone says a paleo diet "doesn't work" that they're doing it incorrectly. I, for one, started out going gluten-free--and it didn't work. Not perfectly, at least. So, I include myself in that category of one who was doing it incorrectly. Then, I eliminated soy and it was much better but not perfect (of course, eliminating gluten and soy works wonders because it gets rid of most processed foods).

Later, I tried the SCD plan (Specific Carbohydrate). Eliminating "illegal" foods on that plan helped even more. I believe this eliminated small intestinal overgrowth and allowed me to better utilize food. Only after about two years of self-experimentation did I hear about "paleo." By this point I was already 95% there. That additional 5% was huge, incidentally.

My self-experimentation continues, but only within the parameters that I know are effective. It so happens that these parameters are all paleo. But this isn't dogma for me. I don't know why I can't eat starchy vegetables, cruciferous vegetables, or nightshades. I have my theories (involving lectins and my celiac and cystic fibrosis genes) but they're pretty vague.

Bottom line is that this takes work and some degree of discipline. It it's not worth it to someone to put the time in, then the results can't be guaranteed. This goes for anything, really.

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on January 05, 2011
at 06:13 PM

+1 for "Bottom line is that this takes work and some degree of discipline. It it's not worth it to someone to put the time in, then the results can't be guaranteed." I couldn't agree more! Paleo isn't a quick fix and that's what a lot of people are looking for.

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on February 23, 2012
at 11:51 PM

Speaking on behalf of myself only, I think the problem is that on all of the paleo blogs out there, you're told time and time again that calories don't matter. Just eat this, this, this, and avoid dairy, wheat, legumes, rice, etc... and you'll magically lose weight, regardless of how much you eat. Sadly, for me, I've learned the hard way that you still need to be in a caloric deficit to lose weight, even when eating strict paleo.

I think the most beneficial part of eating paleo is that you're never as hungry as when you have grains in your diet, so it makes it much easier to eat less. Wheat and grains make you hungry. I was never able to go more than 3-4 hours without being ravenous on a diet with grains, but there are times now when I haven't eaten for 8 hours during the day and I have nary a hunger pang. To me, that's the trick. Eating copious amounts of bacon and beef drenched in paleo-approved fats did nothing but make me have to go out and buy a new (bigger) pair of pants...

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on February 24, 2012
at 12:19 AM

Well said, Alex! My point exactly.

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on February 24, 2012
at 12:03 AM

You can still eat too many paleo foods that lead to weight gain, that's my point (see above regarding the "still need to watch calories"). Eating 3,000 calories worth of paleo foods when you're only burning 2,000 will still lead to fat accumulation. And again, I prefaced this with "in my case." Others may be different, but I needed to re-adopt calorie counting to see any movement in the opposite direction in regards to my waistline. Still, I only eat paleo foods... just way, way less at a time.

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on February 24, 2012
at 12:12 AM

I agree 100%. If I eat too much paleo food, I put on weight. Recently, my weight crept up a bit, and I counted calories on FitDay and dropped back down, eight pounds in five weeks. For me, starch in any form elevates hunger. The fruits I do eat and non-starchy veggies don't have that effect, and I get all the hunger suppression effects of low-carb while eating as much as 150 grams of carbohydrate per day. For me, that's the real beauty of paleo.

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on February 23, 2012
at 11:58 PM

Non-sequitar last paragraph. You say staying away from cereal grains is the solution, but paleo-approved foods are the problem? Huh? I will concede that the so-called paleo diet is a chaotic mess of misinformation, but your line of thought is a bigger mess.

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on January 05, 2011
at 11:23 PM

Welcome to January. Similar things are happening with every diet and at every gym all across America. Happy New Years.

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on January 05, 2011
at 11:43 PM

And the whole world!

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on January 05, 2011
at 05:06 PM

I'm happy that they are coming here, it could mean that we are a good source of information.

I'm unhappy that few of them seem to be searching the prior questions, it could lead to much repetition.


Some results come quickly, the rest come slowly.

Welcome to Real (paleo) Life, it ain't always easy, but it always beats Fantasy (processed food) Land.

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on January 06, 2011
at 10:05 AM

Zen. Search could utilized though.

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on January 05, 2011
at 11:47 PM

There's a lot of room to screw it up while technically adhering to the principals. I think nut butters are a common pitfall.

That being said, I think it's nearly impossible to eat meals comprised primarily of meat and green veggies with a piece of fruit here and there and somehow not lose excess fat.

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on January 06, 2011
at 12:01 AM

amen to your second paragraph there. i think a while back on the podcast Wolf was like, paleo works as long as really do paleo.

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on February 24, 2012
at 04:33 AM

Whee, I've been achieving the nearly impossible, lately. Seriously, though, I see your point, but it may not apply to people with celiac disease or other weird autoimmune disorders. When I went on an elimination diet for a few months of mostly meat and green veggies, I managed to gain 5 lbs (of fat). There are a lot of reasons that could be, but I was still eating the vast majority of my calories from beef and kale. I'd hate for someone to see this comment and get discouraged because they think it should be impossible to gain weight on such a strict regimen. So it's good you wrote "nearly".

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on January 05, 2011
at 06:15 PM

This, in my experience, has been an adjustment that was found after continued reduction in health and wellness following conventional wisdom. Discovering that the standard operating procedure wasn't doing it for me my curiosity and willingness to guinea pig myself with new ideas led me to try paleo and find success, much like a lot of folks who have been involved over the years. With more mainstream attention curious people are doing the standard American thing: asking to be told what EXACTLY they need to do to achieve a very specific goal, lose weight. As with any other nutritional concept, to fully achieve success there is an exceptional amount of experimentation necessary and a true adaptation of a different way of LIFE, not just a few different things to stuff in your pie whole. The only thing that annoys me more than people being unwilling to to do more than just ask questions and not research for themselves and experiment is the drive to "define" paleo in some tight and specific definition. This packaging of a concept seems effective only in offering a label to give oneself and to compare others efforts to, IE "I'm a REAL paleo" type comparisons. The general concept of following a more evolutionarily based life is NOT an ideology, it is a practice. If you want ideology, go VEGAN.

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at 03:58 PM

I agree that there is an influx of new people with very "diet-oriented" questions: can i eat this? Is this paleo? Etc. I think its part of the process of this way of living just getting more popular, more media attention, etc.

While in the beginnings it may have been a lot of people who were already fairly involved in their own health: crossfitters, former WAPers, etc. As the concept of this way of life gets more popular it will attract, and is attracting, more laypeople who may not have any health-orientation in their lives before.

On Paleohacks specifically, i feel like since Robb Wolf's book came out the numbers of (I hate to say it but) somewhat silly questions has dramatically increased. Please know that I am in no way blaming his book or this forum. I own his book, have given two copies to family and friends cuz i think its a terrific, well-written intro to the concepts, and continue to be present on these boards cuz this is simply the best forum for our discussions.

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at 05:08 PM

@sherpamelissa: Yeah, my local YMCA is super-crowded too. I just find an open space and do stretches and swings with a 22 pound steel bar, until I get the room I need. (evil heh)

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on January 05, 2011
at 04:19 PM

It's also part of the New Year's Resolutioners that are googling everything to do with "DIET" stuff that are probably appearing too.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on January 05, 2011
at 06:33 PM

Yeah totally. I do feel though that this forum has been flooded in the way I described above since a few months prior to new year. Like someone commented above, I kind of wish more people would search for related questions before posting some of the usual suspects. But hey, wise Internet-usage is a different animal than paleo living.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

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on January 05, 2011
at 06:57 PM

I know to some of you that have been around for longer it must be frustrating. I see some value to asking the questions again sometimes and in a different way. There are always new people floating around and who knows what they may have knowledge about. I know updating an older thread is possible, but it doesn't always garner the same responses.

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on January 05, 2011
at 12:49 PM

It's not a quick fix. It really depends on how long your body needs to rid itself of the toxins and reboot. I switched to the Paleo diet for allergy reasons and while I noticed an improvement within weeks, it took 6 months for my symptoms to reprieve completely. Think about how long it took for our bodies to develop problems, be it weight gain, illness, acne, etc. It wasn't overnight! Years worth of buildup caused medical problems. Our bodies need time to adjust, so be patient and trust that you will see incredible results. The proof is in the online Paleo community. Just look at the before & after photos!

Cara primroseandpaleo.wordpress.com

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on March 03, 2011
at 07:49 AM

Thanks for the encouragement. Just finished a strict Paleo detox of 4 weeks. Managing expectations of what that could do for me is the hard part. Although I achieved some of the results many people want like losing weight and getting off sugar, the more complex problems I started this for are still with me unabated. I'm prepared to keep going- I just don't know what the refinements are after such a strict detox.

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on January 05, 2011
at 11:08 PM

When I talk to people I am very surprised at how relatively little people know about nutrition in general. And the people who take the time to inform themselves usually end up referencing hacks like Gary Null. It's no surprise. Humans, like any animal, adapt to what they eat without thought. No one told a tiger that eating whole antelope was his most nutritional choice. He evolved to the available resources. The only major difference is that humans have the foresight now to opt out of natural selection to a degree by purposefully choosing foods that we have previously evolved to be nutritionally maximal.

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on January 05, 2011
at 11:39 PM

^ omg. Could I have more typos? Seriously. "It took ME" and I was watching "RATIOS" not rations.

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on January 05, 2011
at 11:38 PM

It took my 6 years of "healthy eating" to find Paleo. I started out just watching calories and still eating crap like 100 calorie oreo packs and no fat cheese. As I hit different plateaus over the years, I researched and learned more all the time. I started watching rations of fat/protein/carbs. I learned to strength train instead of killing myself with cardio. It was a HUGE learning curve for me. When my trainer started Paleo, I thought he was nuts, but I saw his results and thought I'd give it a try. I thought I was eating well/healthy this whole time!

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