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Is any diet that restricts any unprocessed food incomplete

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created August 11, 2013 at 2:42 AM

I've been thinking for a while, about how much contraversy there is in nutrition, and how maybe everyone is wrong for the same reason. Maybe an unrestricted diet of whole foods is best. You here the vegetarian say,"ever since I stopped eating animal products I've been so much healthier", but is he/she healthier now that he/she ditched liver, eggs, and fatty fish, or because he/she no longer eats Big Macs, lasagna, and KFC. And every die hard paleo says,"I'm so much healthier and feel great now that I stopped eating grains and legumes", but does he/she feel great because he/she stopped eating brown rice and lentils, or because he/she stopped eating pastries, donuts, and GMO soybeans fried in refined corn oil. All foods have things that make them "unhealthy" in people's minds, grains and legumes have lectins and phytic acid, red meat has heme iron and carcinogens, so whats the point of restricting any unprocessed food. The only exception is if your body doesn't react well to something, in which case you shouldn't eat it, even if its healthy. But if there's a whole, unprocessed food that your body has no problem digesting then you should make it a regular part of your diet. Can some of you give me your opinion on this

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on August 13, 2013
at 10:45 AM

thhq: You can digest and metabolize cyanide by your definition, so for you, since you claim that it's food, please go and consume some right now and get back to us as to the result.

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on August 12, 2013
at 01:35 PM

Bananas maybe...but this raises the question of whether durianrider is actually human...

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on August 12, 2013
at 01:33 PM

Mix 'em with yogurt and soak them out, and add fresh blueberries. Rolled would work better than steel cut.

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on August 12, 2013
at 01:15 PM

If you can digest it and metabolize it, it's food. If you clean it and cook it it's processed food. The difference between two foods like a grilled piece of halibut and a Twinkie isn't in the processing.

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on August 12, 2013
at 01:07 PM

Good question..

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on August 12, 2013
at 01:43 AM

I've been thinking about bark cambium for a while but haven't brought myself to try it. I've seen squirrels suck sap in early spring so there's some food to be had there. I'm just not desperate enough...spruce leaf buds are good enough for now.

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on August 11, 2013
at 11:51 PM

This is pretty much my response when doing things like ordering a massive 4x4 with extra everything at In-N-Out, but"protein style". I don't REALLY have a problem with grains, but why blow my caloric load on bread and soda when I can have extra meat, cheese and veggies instead.

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on August 11, 2013
at 09:24 PM

Do a proper elimination diet. Being willy-nilly unscientific isn't going to reveal anything meaningful.

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on August 11, 2013
at 01:52 PM

"I think there needs to be some system because clearly, steak and broccoli are not equivalent." True, a person couldn't survive just eating broccoli.

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on August 11, 2013
at 05:26 AM

You have a great point. TBH though, I've been a 'clean' eater for like a year and a half before paleo, and it made a bit of difference when i switched

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on August 11, 2013
at 03:50 AM

I would say it is not just about avoiding harm, but about actually doing good for your body. If someone is only going to eat so much food in a day, they should maximize the stuff that is actually healthy. Just because grains don't bother you, they also do absolutely no good for you either. Unless they are processed and fortified with vitamins, they are just empty calories. Why waste space in your gut when you can eat something actually healthy instead. Personally, I try to avoid grains, but still probably eat some form of them once a week or less. Legumes, I eat about once a week or less also. I do eat dairy, and enjoy it. Will eating whole foods (including grains and legumes) be healthier than Big Macs, twinkies, and hotdogs? Sure, but maybe eating whole foods without wasting foodspace on grains is even healthier.

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on August 11, 2013
at 11:51 PM

This is pretty much my response when doing things like ordering a massive 4x4 with extra everything at In-N-Out, but"protein style". I don't REALLY have a problem with grains, but why blow my caloric load on bread and soda when I can have extra meat, cheese and veggies instead.

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on August 11, 2013
at 10:30 PM

Sorry, but I just don't get questions like this. Food groups are merely a convenient construct by the USDA and I no longer find it useful. To me, the only groups that I consider relevant are macronutrients and micronutrients. Macros will vary person to person depending on goals, taste, and what they can tolerate. And as long as I'm hitting my micros I really don't care about much else.

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on August 12, 2013
at 12:23 AM

I question the validity of the term "entire food group" when it is used mostly to refer to highly processed, uber palatable prepackaged food like products.

It smells of "Oh, I'm afraid my profits this quarter are going to drop because paleo is becoming popular, so let's scare them into thinking they're missing out on some nutrient."

Guess what? Gluten is not required for living, nor thriving. GMO corn isn't a required food. You won't get sick for a GMO corn deficiency. Soy doesn't contain any magic nutrients you can't get elsewhere. But all of these will make you sick. So how is that a "food" or even "food group" when it's actually toxic?

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on August 13, 2013
at 10:45 AM

thhq: You can digest and metabolize cyanide by your definition, so for you, since you claim that it's food, please go and consume some right now and get back to us as to the result.

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on August 12, 2013
at 01:15 PM

If you can digest it and metabolize it, it's food. If you clean it and cook it it's processed food. The difference between two foods like a grilled piece of halibut and a Twinkie isn't in the processing.

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on August 12, 2013
at 05:09 PM

Yes, restriction diets like the "paleo" diet that remove entire food groups without evidence of a disease present in an individual (such as an allergy) can lead to various deficiencies and add un-do stress to an individual's lifestyle. It is known and well researched that foods restricted from a "paleo" diet like whole, unprocessed grains and dairy are part of a healthy diet that leads to lower incidences of heart disease, diabetes, and other diseases.

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on August 12, 2013
at 01:29 PM

Our ancestors didn't eat complete diets. They ate what was locally available, in season, and processed it for edibility. Their diets were neither optimal or balanced.

I'm not saying eat Twinkies. But recognize that it takes a lot of processing to make edible food out of the deer you just killed. The berries, seeds and buds, not as much, but a lot of what it means to be ancestral is doing your own processing (cooking).

So eat what's in season where you live. And get out of the corn belt if you can. The choices are better out here where the oysters sleep with the fishes.

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on August 11, 2013
at 10:22 PM

I can not see that grains are a "food group". Group what? Can we make a group out of twigs? There will be vitamins and minerals in them twigs. Then I can say my diet is incomplete. It is better to go with natural history. We started with fruits, nuts, eggs, leaves and bugs. Later we added shellfish, roots, and large mammals. Later still we added fish. Then 90% of the last 100,000 years elapsed without any dramatic change. Out of this framework you can vary and find what is best for you. In my case I do not agree with nuts all that much, but I agree with grass fed butter. The only "food group" that is missing (in modern paleo diets) is insects, and even there I have to quibble. Larvae are the equivalent of eggs and milk, high fat foods prepared to be foods by nature, with higher nutrient levels than eggs or milk. Crickets and earthworms are the equivalent of beef, protein bombs with higher nutrients than beef.

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on August 12, 2013
at 01:43 AM

I've been thinking about bark cambium for a while but haven't brought myself to try it. I've seen squirrels suck sap in early spring so there's some food to be had there. I'm just not desperate enough...spruce leaf buds are good enough for now.

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on August 11, 2013
at 08:38 PM

So I just had some steel cut oats for dinner. My rule of, if you feel like crap after you eat it then dont eat it again, definetly applies. I'm probably going to be bloated for 3 or 4 days now. However, I'm fine with soaked lentills

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on August 11, 2013
at 09:24 PM

Do a proper elimination diet. Being willy-nilly unscientific isn't going to reveal anything meaningful.

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on August 12, 2013
at 01:33 PM

Mix 'em with yogurt and soak them out, and add fresh blueberries. Rolled would work better than steel cut.

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on August 11, 2013
at 04:19 AM

I've come to hate the idea of food groups in general. I agree that foods need to be classified in some manner, but the way that they're grouped (in Canada, anyways) is kind of... ridiculous. I mean, we consider fruits and veggies to be equivalent (same group), and potatoes/sweet potatoes are vegetables, so people can meet a goal of 7 servings of "Vegetables and Fruits" with what's essentially fruit sugar and starch. Also, it's hard to try and explain why nuts and seeds are "meat alternatives" but OMG don't eat them because they're full of fat, which you must avoid! Plus, there's that whole thing with complete vs. incomplete proteins, and how you need to eat grains with your protein (if you're going with nuts/seeds) to actually get a "true" dose of amino acids. And people think paleo is hard to follow...

Unfortunately, I think there needs to be some system because clearly, steak and broccoli are not equivalent, and if you tell someone to just "eat what you want as long as it's a whole food", they might override the common sense feature and just eat fruit ("because it's a whole food, right?"). Actually, I think that overriding common sense is causing a lot of problems, nutritionally and otherwise... people seem to want to be told what to do, and when it fails (or if it has anything to do with government) they flip out and can't figure out how to solve the problem themselves. But that's another rant...

So, yeah, my opinion is that a grouping system is necessary, but it needs to be thought-out and relatively simple. I like Fitbomb's proposition... http://www.fitbomb.com/2011/06/its-not-that-hard.html

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on August 11, 2013
at 01:52 PM

"I think there needs to be some system because clearly, steak and broccoli are not equivalent." True, a person couldn't survive just eating broccoli.

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on August 12, 2013
at 01:35 PM

Bananas maybe...but this raises the question of whether durianrider is actually human...

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