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Is 51% fat, 23% carbs, 26% considered Paleo (all from meat, veggies, fruit)?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created May 05, 2012 at 2:29 AM

I don't think it matters but I'm 5'10" male, 185lbs wanting to lose the last 10 pounds.

The screen shot below shows I ate 1,832 cals.

I guess I could lose more weight by eating less fruit, but it's soo yummy!

Mike

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on May 07, 2012
at 03:39 PM

The research on the benefits of carbs for exercise is based on a false premise. The mistake is that when athletes on a high or moderate carb diet run out of glycogen, they can't access their fat stores efficiently, so the assumption is that athletes need to keep glycogen stores high, and/or keep feeding carbs. It turns out that when you are keto-adapted, fat access is much more efficient, and is a sufficient source of energy for sustained high intensity exercise.

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on May 07, 2012
at 12:21 PM

Point 5) I didnt give you the down vote, you are entitled to your opinion, even if it is wrong.

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on May 07, 2012
at 12:20 PM

Point 4) Show me the research that shows that the paleo diet was low carb. You cant because it doesn't exist. Because paleo diet is dependant on the area the people settled in. Closer to the equator = more seasonal fruit, further from the equator = less fruit. There is no one paleo diet. If a cave man found a bunch of bananas is gonna skip them in case he has too many carbs that day?

6b8d12fc3e43179f9ae1765a4d1a9dc2

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on May 07, 2012
at 12:20 PM

Point 3) Absurd claim that macros dont matter? So cavemen were counting carbs and making sure that there macros were in order? WTF are you talking about? I dont want to follow a low carb diet. I dont need will power as I am happy to exercise and eat carbs. I have tried low carb and it is crab, it negatively effects your exercise performance, and I didn’t lose any weight.

6b8d12fc3e43179f9ae1765a4d1a9dc2

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on May 07, 2012
at 12:14 PM

Point 3) Absurd claim that macros dont matter? So cavemen were counting carbs and making sure that there macros were in order? WTF are you talking about? I dont want to follow a low carb diet. I dont need will power as exercise and eat carbs. I have tried low carb and it is crab.

6b8d12fc3e43179f9ae1765a4d1a9dc2

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on May 07, 2012
at 12:12 PM

Point 2) Where the hell do I make this claim? So is it either low carb or 30Bad a day? What is your point?

6b8d12fc3e43179f9ae1765a4d1a9dc2

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on May 07, 2012
at 12:11 PM

Point 1) "I consider the paleo diet to be a low carb diet. But 100g carbs a day is not a big deal, unless you want to lose weight fast. If I were you I'd reduce the fruit intake, that will really accelerate the fat loss process." You are recommending the OP limits their carbs, which I disagree with.

6b8d12fc3e43179f9ae1765a4d1a9dc2

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on May 07, 2012
at 12:09 PM

@Caveman_Mike - A Nad is part of the male genitalia

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on May 06, 2012
at 06:33 PM

neolithic agents of disease. http://www.archevore.com/get-started/

Bf57bcbdc19d4f1728599053acd020ab

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on May 06, 2012
at 05:22 PM

In my book (however bad it may be) tracking macro nutrient ratios is anal. And boring. I thought paleo was about eating whole food as close to its natural pre-neolithic state as possible. I don't think they had fit day back in the day.

7fc82eebafd44badc73c520f44660150

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on May 06, 2012
at 04:28 PM

Let me just put myself in the mind of a caveman 100,000 years ago: If I came across 10 bananas, I would surely eat them. YUM!! Certainly safer than ricking a fight with a wild animal. So, on what basis can we say that caveman would NOT eat that much fruit if were available?

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on May 06, 2012
at 03:07 PM

Just to complement, that is why I think macro ratios matter in a paleo diet. It's important to control our carb intake, because it's very unlikely that paleo men would consume that much carbs. I don't think we've evolved to eat hundreds upon hundreds of carbs a day. And that is just using common sense, if we take a look at the science we can notice that it's a scientific fact that low carb diets (specifically) present some distinct benefits that wouldn't be achieved in a diet where one would have 300 grams of carbs a day.

48b3a3fac68ce4e0b80d8d29a584cc93

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on May 06, 2012
at 03:03 PM

Mike, bananas (and fruits) in general are awesome foods, I mean it. But I believe there is a limit to daily fruit consumption. I think we're better off by having at most 150 grams of carb a day, that will keep us on "the right zone" to get all the benefits that low carb diets brings us. And I really doubt paleolithic men would consume more than 150 grams a day if he didn't dominate agriculture. Taking bananas as an example, paleo men would have to eat at least 7 medium bananas a day to get past 150 grams of carbs. Should we really believe that paleo men consumed that much fruit?

7fc82eebafd44badc73c520f44660150

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on May 06, 2012
at 02:16 PM

I'm embarrassed to ask: what the heck is a NAD?

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on May 05, 2012
at 11:47 AM

I am an n=1 guy, but my understanding is that the Kitavans eat around 70% carbohydrate! Personally I LOVE cyclyic low carbing. I do not bother counting any grams of anything but focus on food quality. I'd estimate I go 3 days under 100 grams of carbs total.

6b8d12fc3e43179f9ae1765a4d1a9dc2

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on May 05, 2012
at 05:46 AM

Always avoid the NADs - Immature LOL!

6b8d12fc3e43179f9ae1765a4d1a9dc2

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on May 05, 2012
at 05:45 AM

Extensive research has show the benefits of eating carbs if you exercise. Also, BS that research has show we evolved to eat low carb, no one has proved that we have evolved to eat ONE specific diet, and anyone who claims otherwise is full of it. Show me this research. Finally, N=1 is not evidence of anything.

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on May 05, 2012
at 05:12 AM

I have foud that coconut milk can make me gain fat. Maybe cut that out and eat some meat and egg instead?

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on May 05, 2012
at 03:28 AM

My shake was: cooked 6oz of kale in .5oz coconut oil, added it to 1 can coconut milk, and 1/2 cantaloupe (12oz). Blend. YUMMM!!!! That makes 3 servings (each the size of a magic bullet blender cup).

48b3a3fac68ce4e0b80d8d29a584cc93

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on May 05, 2012
at 03:24 AM

I completely disagree with that. I see that the new trend in the paleo community is recommending people to eat white rice and potatoes and telling them they're paleo, I can't wait to read the white bread recommendations. Extensive research has shown the benefits of eating low carb, and that is how we most likely evolved to eat, hence this kind of diet is called paleo. And 100g of carbs is far from nothing. I eat generous amounts of vegetables and fruits almost daily and I rarely consume more than 100g carbs a day.

980a08fc871f83f803191278d1a8c3c3

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on May 05, 2012
at 03:15 AM

*treaded water. Stupid autocorrect

980a08fc871f83f803191278d1a8c3c3

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on May 05, 2012
at 03:14 AM

* and body recomp hit a wall

980a08fc871f83f803191278d1a8c3c3

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on May 05, 2012
at 03:14 AM

+1. I lost 25 lbs on VLC and then majorly upped my exercise in body recomp hit a wall so I started getting really neurotic about the carbs in even my green veggies. (Def fat adapted btw.) I had this idea of my ideal macro ratios and it was like the harder I pushed perfection and cut carbs, which I read over and over here was necessary to finish leaning out, the more I threaded water- lately I decided to take a little break from obsessing and have been eating fruit on WO days when I want- and immediately started leaning out. Lesson: trust your gut, eat FOOD not MACROS

6b8d12fc3e43179f9ae1765a4d1a9dc2

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on May 05, 2012
at 02:58 AM

BSBL, if you consider a paleo diet to be low carb, then you are wrong IMO. Paleo = food quality & ingredients, not macros. 100g of carbs is nothing and doing a lot of exercise is too low.

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6b8d12fc3e43179f9ae1765a4d1a9dc2

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on May 05, 2012
at 02:56 AM

Paleo isn't about the macro's, it is about the foods that you eat. You could eat 70/15/15 or 33/33/34 and still be eating a paleo diet.

What is in your "paleo shakes"?

Don't bother eating less fruit if you like it. 1800 calories is fine for weight loss, just keep at it.

980a08fc871f83f803191278d1a8c3c3

(531)

on May 05, 2012
at 03:14 AM

* and body recomp hit a wall

7fc82eebafd44badc73c520f44660150

(3275)

on May 05, 2012
at 03:28 AM

My shake was: cooked 6oz of kale in .5oz coconut oil, added it to 1 can coconut milk, and 1/2 cantaloupe (12oz). Blend. YUMMM!!!! That makes 3 servings (each the size of a magic bullet blender cup).

980a08fc871f83f803191278d1a8c3c3

(531)

on May 05, 2012
at 03:14 AM

+1. I lost 25 lbs on VLC and then majorly upped my exercise in body recomp hit a wall so I started getting really neurotic about the carbs in even my green veggies. (Def fat adapted btw.) I had this idea of my ideal macro ratios and it was like the harder I pushed perfection and cut carbs, which I read over and over here was necessary to finish leaning out, the more I threaded water- lately I decided to take a little break from obsessing and have been eating fruit on WO days when I want- and immediately started leaning out. Lesson: trust your gut, eat FOOD not MACROS

980a08fc871f83f803191278d1a8c3c3

(531)

on May 05, 2012
at 03:15 AM

*treaded water. Stupid autocorrect

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on May 05, 2012
at 05:12 AM

I have foud that coconut milk can make me gain fat. Maybe cut that out and eat some meat and egg instead?

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1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

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on May 05, 2012
at 03:28 AM

Thre Macro ratio does not matter. It is all about eating whole foods and avoiding the NADs...

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on May 06, 2012
at 06:33 PM

neolithic agents of disease. http://www.archevore.com/get-started/

7fc82eebafd44badc73c520f44660150

(3275)

on May 06, 2012
at 02:16 PM

I'm embarrassed to ask: what the heck is a NAD?

6b8d12fc3e43179f9ae1765a4d1a9dc2

(5914)

on May 05, 2012
at 05:46 AM

Always avoid the NADs - Immature LOL!

6b8d12fc3e43179f9ae1765a4d1a9dc2

(5914)

on May 07, 2012
at 12:09 PM

@Caveman_Mike - A Nad is part of the male genitalia

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on May 06, 2012
at 04:51 PM

Food Quality first! Make anything that passes your lips absolutely delicious.

Eat based on what you crave and feel second, and also what's IN SEASON!

Quantitative measurements only for fine tuned tweaking purposes (generally not needed).

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48b3a3fac68ce4e0b80d8d29a584cc93

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on May 05, 2012
at 02:35 AM

I consider the paleo diet to be a low carb diet. But 100g carbs a day is not a big deal, unless you want to lose weight fast. If I were you I'd reduce the fruit intake, that will really accelerate the fat loss process.

48b3a3fac68ce4e0b80d8d29a584cc93

(242)

on May 05, 2012
at 03:24 AM

I completely disagree with that. I see that the new trend in the paleo community is recommending people to eat white rice and potatoes and telling them they're paleo, I can't wait to read the white bread recommendations. Extensive research has shown the benefits of eating low carb, and that is how we most likely evolved to eat, hence this kind of diet is called paleo. And 100g of carbs is far from nothing. I eat generous amounts of vegetables and fruits almost daily and I rarely consume more than 100g carbs a day.

6b8d12fc3e43179f9ae1765a4d1a9dc2

(5914)

on May 05, 2012
at 02:58 AM

BSBL, if you consider a paleo diet to be low carb, then you are wrong IMO. Paleo = food quality & ingredients, not macros. 100g of carbs is nothing and doing a lot of exercise is too low.

6b8d12fc3e43179f9ae1765a4d1a9dc2

(5914)

on May 05, 2012
at 05:45 AM

Extensive research has show the benefits of eating carbs if you exercise. Also, BS that research has show we evolved to eat low carb, no one has proved that we have evolved to eat ONE specific diet, and anyone who claims otherwise is full of it. Show me this research. Finally, N=1 is not evidence of anything.

Medium avatar

on May 05, 2012
at 11:47 AM

I am an n=1 guy, but my understanding is that the Kitavans eat around 70% carbohydrate! Personally I LOVE cyclyic low carbing. I do not bother counting any grams of anything but focus on food quality. I'd estimate I go 3 days under 100 grams of carbs total.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

(18706)

on May 07, 2012
at 03:39 PM

The research on the benefits of carbs for exercise is based on a false premise. The mistake is that when athletes on a high or moderate carb diet run out of glycogen, they can't access their fat stores efficiently, so the assumption is that athletes need to keep glycogen stores high, and/or keep feeding carbs. It turns out that when you are keto-adapted, fat access is much more efficient, and is a sufficient source of energy for sustained high intensity exercise.

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on May 06, 2012
at 02:15 PM

@Peter & @BSBL: Are there two schools of thought on "paleo": ????

On one hand, "paleo" is eating foods for which we are well adapted to eating (e.g. foods older than 10,000 years ago). These, I guess would be low-inflammatory foods. And, not eating new foods like wheat for which we are not well suited?

On the other hand, "paleo" is mirroring general macro-nutrient ratios that your average caveman might have eaten (not exactly, but generally). So, assuming a banana existed more than 10,000 years ago, it would not be considered a bad food. However, it would be unlikely that a caveman would have eaten 100% of his calories from bananas.

Thoughts?

Mike

48b3a3fac68ce4e0b80d8d29a584cc93

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on May 06, 2012
at 03:03 PM

Mike, bananas (and fruits) in general are awesome foods, I mean it. But I believe there is a limit to daily fruit consumption. I think we're better off by having at most 150 grams of carb a day, that will keep us on "the right zone" to get all the benefits that low carb diets brings us. And I really doubt paleolithic men would consume more than 150 grams a day if he didn't dominate agriculture. Taking bananas as an example, paleo men would have to eat at least 7 medium bananas a day to get past 150 grams of carbs. Should we really believe that paleo men consumed that much fruit?

Bf57bcbdc19d4f1728599053acd020ab

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on May 06, 2012
at 05:22 PM

In my book (however bad it may be) tracking macro nutrient ratios is anal. And boring. I thought paleo was about eating whole food as close to its natural pre-neolithic state as possible. I don't think they had fit day back in the day.

7fc82eebafd44badc73c520f44660150

(3275)

on May 06, 2012
at 04:28 PM

Let me just put myself in the mind of a caveman 100,000 years ago: If I came across 10 bananas, I would surely eat them. YUM!! Certainly safer than ricking a fight with a wild animal. So, on what basis can we say that caveman would NOT eat that much fruit if were available?

48b3a3fac68ce4e0b80d8d29a584cc93

(242)

on May 06, 2012
at 03:07 PM

Just to complement, that is why I think macro ratios matter in a paleo diet. It's important to control our carb intake, because it's very unlikely that paleo men would consume that much carbs. I don't think we've evolved to eat hundreds upon hundreds of carbs a day. And that is just using common sense, if we take a look at the science we can notice that it's a scientific fact that low carb diets (specifically) present some distinct benefits that wouldn't be achieved in a diet where one would have 300 grams of carbs a day.

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48b3a3fac68ce4e0b80d8d29a584cc93

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on May 06, 2012
at 03:02 AM

@ peter

Please let's stop with the strawmen. Where did I say that carbs are not beneficial if one wants to have more energy to support himself while doing exercises? Why did you even say that?

Also, if you claim that all the archeological work that has been done to show that paleolithic man didn't dominate agriculture is "bullshit", there is no point continuing this discussion. Unless you're going to tell me that paleolithic men was having 30 bananas a day.

I don't think you really know what you're talking about and you're making these absurd claims "macro ratios don't matter" in order to justify your lack of will power to follow a low carb diet.

Nothing of what you said has scientific backing neither most of the most prominent figures of the paleo community would support your "macro ratios don't matter" nonsense.

But then again, people keep liberally recommending rice and potatoes as paleo foods on these boards, so I'm not surprised by your stance.

6b8d12fc3e43179f9ae1765a4d1a9dc2

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on May 07, 2012
at 12:20 PM

Point 4) Show me the research that shows that the paleo diet was low carb. You cant because it doesn't exist. Because paleo diet is dependant on the area the people settled in. Closer to the equator = more seasonal fruit, further from the equator = less fruit. There is no one paleo diet. If a cave man found a bunch of bananas is gonna skip them in case he has too many carbs that day?

6b8d12fc3e43179f9ae1765a4d1a9dc2

(5914)

on May 07, 2012
at 12:21 PM

Point 5) I didnt give you the down vote, you are entitled to your opinion, even if it is wrong.

6b8d12fc3e43179f9ae1765a4d1a9dc2

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on May 07, 2012
at 12:11 PM

Point 1) "I consider the paleo diet to be a low carb diet. But 100g carbs a day is not a big deal, unless you want to lose weight fast. If I were you I'd reduce the fruit intake, that will really accelerate the fat loss process." You are recommending the OP limits their carbs, which I disagree with.

6b8d12fc3e43179f9ae1765a4d1a9dc2

(5914)

on May 07, 2012
at 12:20 PM

Point 3) Absurd claim that macros dont matter? So cavemen were counting carbs and making sure that there macros were in order? WTF are you talking about? I dont want to follow a low carb diet. I dont need will power as I am happy to exercise and eat carbs. I have tried low carb and it is crab, it negatively effects your exercise performance, and I didn’t lose any weight.

6b8d12fc3e43179f9ae1765a4d1a9dc2

(5914)

on May 07, 2012
at 12:14 PM

Point 3) Absurd claim that macros dont matter? So cavemen were counting carbs and making sure that there macros were in order? WTF are you talking about? I dont want to follow a low carb diet. I dont need will power as exercise and eat carbs. I have tried low carb and it is crab.

6b8d12fc3e43179f9ae1765a4d1a9dc2

(5914)

on May 07, 2012
at 12:12 PM

Point 2) Where the hell do I make this claim? So is it either low carb or 30Bad a day? What is your point?

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