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IBS and Paleo...looking for answers

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created April 05, 2012 at 3:08 AM

My daughter and I started eating a well balanced paleo plan August 2011 because of her unknown GI disorder and being hospitalized 73 times in 2010, I wanted to see if eating paleo would help keep her home more.

Through multiple diagnostics, we discovered that her body simply could note process grains. Grains ended up as sludge and sat in her GI tract clogging up the works resulting in hospitalizations to "Roto Router" her her Gi tract.

After starting the Paleo eating plan 8 months ago, her overall abdominal pain left and she is joyous and youthful most of the time. She still has all her body parts! And last week she was finally diagnosed as having IBS.

Paleo has worked very well for both of us. I got rid of 58 pounds, am no longer diagnosed with diabetes, fibromyalga, chronic fatigue, and no fit nicley into a size 8/10. WOW...

My question to all of you with GI dissoroders is how does insoluable fiber effect IBS? we only eat organic since pesticides and preservatives create so much choas in the body and we also only eat fresh nothing processed. It is a running joke amoung our friends that we all have an extra linen closet in our kitchens since none of us eat non parishable foods any longer.

Breakfast is Organic uncurred turkey bacon, vegetables and guacamolie

Lunch is chicken, veggies, fruit, and guacamolie

Dinner is lamb fruit and veggies, and guacamolie What a joy it is to eat as much guac as you want. It also gives my daughter the fat she needs since she has so many allergies. i am attempting to get some weight on her since we eat sooooooooooooooooo healthy.

Throughout the day we drink wonderful smoothies made with my Blendtec so we are drinking the WHOLE FOOD instead of just the juice so we are getting the fiber the body needs.

Any of you who have constipation IBS or mixed IBS and eat Paleo that would like to comment I would like to hear from you.

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on July 30, 2012
at 07:00 AM

The word is 'guacamole' not 'guacamolie.'

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on April 06, 2012
at 12:07 AM

Simple. It appears humans don't require any insoluble fiber, and it can bring on or worsen GI conditions.

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on April 05, 2012
at 05:33 PM

I don't know where you can find this in europe but I would contact great lakes for help. I suggested the hydrolysate because it is more readily digestible and it would be the only variety I recommend. That being said, I would recommend against NOW gelatin - Whatever brand you find, it must be hydrolysate and pure. Grass fed isn't particularly an issue since the amino acid profiles are the same. I would shy away from the dogma that surrounds "candida". Eat foods that she doesn't have a reaction too that are also paleo and nutritious.

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on April 05, 2012
at 02:21 PM

I put the Betaine HCl information in the post since it became longer than the comment box.

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on April 05, 2012
at 02:09 PM

The basic idea behind Betaine HCl supplementation is to restore the proper acidity of the stomach. Most of the time, its a concern for people over 50, and less frequently for young people, so your daughter "probably" won't have to worry about it. You can buy Betaine HCl is as a supplement (try to get it formulated with pepsin) or it usually comes formulated with Digestive Enzymes (which is a suggestion I forgot to give you, these may help as well). NOW Super Enzymes is recommended by Robb Wolf, which contain Betaine HCl. ( http://www.amazon.com/Now-Foods-Super-Enzymes-tabs/dp/B000JNA5T4 )

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on April 05, 2012
at 01:37 PM

Holly, amazing progress for your daughter and you! Congratulations. I too have been helped immensely by going Paleo though it couldn't fix some things. I started following this woman's blog in Australia who has been successfully treating severe IBS with FMT. Something to consider and an amazing story worth checking out - http://thepowerofpoo.blogspot.com/p/my-story-warning.html.

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on April 05, 2012
at 01:33 PM

Another good resources for FODMAP that I found very helpful when I went through an elimination diet : http://www.cassandraforsythe.com/blog/Complete+FODMAP+List+For+a+Happy+Gut.

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on April 05, 2012
at 11:07 AM

Do you maybe know where could we get this in europe? Also is it ok to the the Hydrolysate form if you have leaky gut? Or is it better to buy the standard beef gelatin? Also what if the beef isnt grass feed and organic? Also what about brand NOW Beef Gelatin? Is it ok to take for those who might have candida. I'm asking this because there is some info that we shouldnt eat food that might be infeceted with antibitoics as it might promote the growth of candida. Thanks!!!

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on April 05, 2012
at 07:24 AM

This is a great story!!! Well done!!!

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on April 05, 2012
at 06:46 AM

Holly, +1 because it's great to read that you have both improved your health. I am very happy for you both.

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on April 05, 2012
at 06:07 AM

OMG 73 times??? What a nightmare. congratulations for turning that around.

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on April 05, 2012
at 03:41 AM

Thanks for your comment. So far as your comment on hydration. She drinks 2,000 ML of various fluids daily and she also takes 12 grams of sodium cloride -crushed- perscription grade in her fluids 4g 3 times a day closely followed up by her nephologist(kidney doc) to kep her electrolyes in balance so she will not have seizures. Please elaborate on Betaine HCI. Thanks

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on April 05, 2012
at 03:20 AM

Sounds like you guys are doing great! That is awesome, great to hear of such improvement! Looking at a list of the foods that contain insoluble fibers, it seems to be a lot of foods that bothered me while my gut was healing up. I could eat carrots just fine, but onions killed me. I would look into FODMAPs, that was a great help to me, and Melissa will probably drop an answer about it if she sees this post. Listen to her, she knows more than I.

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on April 05, 2012
at 03:27 AM

It is great to hear of such progress. Many cheers! Insoluble fibers seem to be a mixed bag on whether or not they agitate IBS. I would look into FODMAPs if your daughter experiences any further problems. It helped me to avoid them for awhile, and my gut seems to have healed completely since then. Ate some broccoli today, as a matter of fact, and no problems. :) Used to be a problem food for me.

( FODMAPs List )

Also I would look into sufficient hydration (water with sea salt), as that alone removed 75% of my remaining digestive issues. Additionally, temporary betaine HCl supplementation has proven very helpful.

My gut had improved so much going paleo in the first place, I initially didn't realize it could yet still get healthier! If your daughter experiences any more pain, and would be willing to give it a try, it may be worth seeing just how healthy you can get her gut with the above tweaks.

EDIT 4/5/2012:

The basic idea behind Betaine HCl supplementation is to restore the proper acidity of the stomach. Most of the time, its a concern for people over 50, and less frequently for young people, so your daughter "probably" won't have to worry about it.

You can buy Betaine HCl as a supplement (try to get it formulated with pepsin) or it usually comes formulated with Digestive Enzymes (which is a suggestion I forgot to give you, these may help as well). NOW Super Enzymes is recommended by Robb Wolf, which contain Betaine HCl (200 mg) . ( http://www.amazon.com/Now-Foods-Super-Enzymes-tabs/dp/B000JNA5T4 ) I recommend the capsule form of the digestive enzymes. I remember reading the tablets were disgusting somewhere ><.

To properly use Betaine HCl, you take just 1 pill, before or during meal, and assess after whether you feel a "warm tea" feeling in the gut. If you don't, you take 2 with the next meal, etc until getting the warm tea feeling. Once you find the dose that gives this warm tea feeling, you back off by one pill, and keep taking that dose each meal until you get the warm tea feeling there. Then back off, etc. until down to 1 pill with Now Super Enzymes or you're done with a Betaine HCl/Pepsin supplement. If she takes the NOW and gets the warm tea feeling from 1 pill, then she is just fine and dandy on acidity.

I found out for me that the first required dose for me took the maximum dose allowed! Don't exceed 1400mg, or 7 capsules of the NOW. If she gets to 7 and doesn't get the warm tea feeling, just keep doing it, don't up it to 8. Eventually she should regain acidity.

Here is some more information, http://www.modernherbalist.com/betaine.html

Note that Betaine HCl supplements are normally much higher dose, 648 mg per capsule. I used the NOW Betaine HCl with Pepsin, and that seemed to work fine. As an example of results, I can now eat dairy as a cheat and not hate myself after haha.

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on April 05, 2012
at 02:21 PM

I put the Betaine HCl information in the post since it became longer than the comment box.

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on April 05, 2012
at 03:41 AM

Thanks for your comment. So far as your comment on hydration. She drinks 2,000 ML of various fluids daily and she also takes 12 grams of sodium cloride -crushed- perscription grade in her fluids 4g 3 times a day closely followed up by her nephologist(kidney doc) to kep her electrolyes in balance so she will not have seizures. Please elaborate on Betaine HCI. Thanks

E1c41fc9d29cec2c3066e000c9562d92

(730)

on April 05, 2012
at 02:09 PM

The basic idea behind Betaine HCl supplementation is to restore the proper acidity of the stomach. Most of the time, its a concern for people over 50, and less frequently for young people, so your daughter "probably" won't have to worry about it. You can buy Betaine HCl is as a supplement (try to get it formulated with pepsin) or it usually comes formulated with Digestive Enzymes (which is a suggestion I forgot to give you, these may help as well). NOW Super Enzymes is recommended by Robb Wolf, which contain Betaine HCl. ( http://www.amazon.com/Now-Foods-Super-Enzymes-tabs/dp/B000JNA5T4 )

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on April 05, 2012
at 01:33 PM

Another good resources for FODMAP that I found very helpful when I went through an elimination diet : http://www.cassandraforsythe.com/blog/Complete+FODMAP+List+For+a+Happy+Gut.

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on April 05, 2012
at 05:44 AM

Coconut oil!!!!! I cannot say enough great things about it! It has helped my gut soooo much and I'm lactose intolerant and gluten sensitive! Just read about the benefits of coconut oil. Awesome!

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on April 05, 2012
at 04:36 AM

Personal experience alone but I would highly suggest incorporating gelatin into the diet - specifically Collagen Hydrolysate (green bottle) http://greatlakesgelatin.com/storefront/ . I noticed a benefit from consuming regular bone broth but when I started adding 2TBSP to each meal the benefits quadrupled. These amino acids are the ones you need to repair a digestive tract and are in a very bio-available format.

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on April 05, 2012
at 05:33 PM

I don't know where you can find this in europe but I would contact great lakes for help. I suggested the hydrolysate because it is more readily digestible and it would be the only variety I recommend. That being said, I would recommend against NOW gelatin - Whatever brand you find, it must be hydrolysate and pure. Grass fed isn't particularly an issue since the amino acid profiles are the same. I would shy away from the dogma that surrounds "candida". Eat foods that she doesn't have a reaction too that are also paleo and nutritious.

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on April 05, 2012
at 11:07 AM

Do you maybe know where could we get this in europe? Also is it ok to the the Hydrolysate form if you have leaky gut? Or is it better to buy the standard beef gelatin? Also what if the beef isnt grass feed and organic? Also what about brand NOW Beef Gelatin? Is it ok to take for those who might have candida. I'm asking this because there is some info that we shouldnt eat food that might be infeceted with antibitoics as it might promote the growth of candida. Thanks!!!

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on April 05, 2012
at 04:06 AM

Folks with irritable gut issues (Crohn's, Ulcerative Colitis, IBS, Celiac Sprue, et al.) have often shown signs and symptoms suggestive of poor lymphatic drainage and facilitated (read: hyperreactive) autonomic nervous activity. There are also some highly promising case studies involving osteopathic manipulation techniques that improve lymphatic flow and normalize autonomic activity, and the positive effect of these techniques on palliating and/or reversing the irritable gut lining of these states.

You might want to consider finding an osteopathic physician near you who practices these sorts of techniques. It certainly won't hurt, and it might just be of immeasurable benefit.

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on April 05, 2012
at 07:26 AM

Dr Allison Siebecker http://www.siboinfo.com/

She is a great resource and will do skype calls as well.

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