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I sense a disturbance in the force...

Commented on September 13, 2013
Created September 10, 2013 at 3:15 PM

The past few days on this forum have been heavy with cynicism and doubt. I've asked several perfectly rational questions and been mocked and ridiculed for no apparent reason. The most active posts are those calling into question the entire idea of eating Paleo... Am I missing something? A lot of it seems to be revolving around this idea that the Paleo diet makes you practically allergic to common foods. What?

Paleo seems to have corrected many long-standing issues for me. I have no interest in weight loss, just feeling all around good for the first time in 15 years. I personally haven't noticed any outrageous food sensitivities developing, though I am more aware of my body's reaction to bad things.

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on September 13, 2013
at 07:42 PM

Thanks VB. What do you mean you cannot answer anymore though? I certainly hope you can!

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on September 13, 2013
at 03:17 PM

We know most of the really bad ones because the effects are so obvious (don't chew seeds of apple, pare, peach, apricot, etc... because they can maim and kill you in higher doses) but take the humble blueberry, and most people don't manage to break up the seeds anyway. It's just so damn good for you that people don't stop to ask what's in the seed, so it's not entirely clear. Now that we have lots of people pulverizing them in uber-blenders, maybe the research will be done. Did you know some people still think grape seeds will sprout vines in your stomach? LoLz

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on September 13, 2013
at 03:17 PM

Buuuttt... I think I provided sufficient info to get what I was looking for. I certainly could have provided more, but I can be lazy like that. I got the answers I needed to the best of the ability of the internet and current knowledge on the subject, so I think it was sufficient for most repliers. It turns out we really don't have a catalogue of the toxins in all the plant seeds out there.

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on September 13, 2013
at 03:08 PM

The last thing I want is to get into an argument over this. Yet, I am deeply compelled to reply. So, I could just leave it at that.

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on September 13, 2013
at 02:52 PM

This response made me want to learn more about cortisol. ALso, it made me laugh. I wish I could take a nap right now...

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on September 13, 2013
at 12:24 PM

But if you are going to propose a question, there onus is on you to provide sufficient information to receive a sufficient response

46f7fc24a213b038ab3f0a97c73a5441

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on September 12, 2013
at 07:16 PM

When the vegan dog police come knocking show them this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnassial

I also work with dogs and their owners, yes there are some very confused people out there.

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on September 12, 2013
at 05:26 PM

I'm all for academic integrity but I don't feel that every question, or even every answer, on a casual health forum need be backed up with references.

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

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on September 11, 2013
at 04:41 AM

"Commenting still doesn't work yet"...does that mean, commenting does not work with the particular browser/app you are using? another option would be to Edit your answer (browser/app permitting) as another way to respond/reply to a comment

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

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on September 11, 2013
at 04:01 AM

i also perceive that the site usage & interactions has change somewhat since the switch/upgrade to the new web site, maybe this will 'quiet' down after a while (& i could just be imagining it anyway). may not be helped by the disappearance of the rules/faq page & the up/down vote arrow options, changing to a 'like' button.

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on September 11, 2013
at 02:25 AM

You threw out a comment about berry seeds being poisonous. I asked for a reference so I could help. You refused or were unable to provide the reference. Rather you said, "we all know some seeds are poisonous". Well we all know some liquids are poisonous too should we stop drinking? A straw man with no reference will not get straight answers.

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on September 10, 2013
at 11:56 PM

I enjoy the seasonal aspects as well. Not to the extent that you do, probably, but I have definitely been much more seasonal these last couple of years transitioning to whole foods. It also helps when you have your own garden, like to forage, and you have friends that hunt and share. :)

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on September 10, 2013
at 11:46 PM

With so few people up here on the WA coast it's easy to eat the same foods the Salish ate for thousands of years. The chances to hunt and gather are great but the weather and job situation suck. When I leave here I'll miss the fresh salmon, shucking native oysters, digging clams and picking wild berries.

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on September 10, 2013
at 11:41 PM

There's a massive difference between dissent and mockery, ridicule, and shaming. I agree with the OP's assessment--there seems to be more mockery and ridicule, and less helpfulness on paleohacks of late.

I'm no tender flower, and don't shy away from conflict. We can disagree until the (grass-fed) cows come home, but we don't need to diminish the other to do so.

And yes, "haters are gonna hate" and you will find that anywhere; the issue (I believe) is why that is becoming more prominent on paleohacks.

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on September 10, 2013
at 10:57 PM

I desperately wish I could experience this. When I was growing up in Oregon, this lifestyle was a real possibility but it never really crossed my mind. Now I'm learning what matters most in a healthy lifestyle but living in south OC (just think hollywood with more trees and fewer actors) and it's just not there. Getting off topic anyone?

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on September 10, 2013
at 10:55 PM

This, too is very important. Sometimes it s real tuff to give a reel question a reel reply... But those of us most enlightened have to step back and realize some poor kid with a crappy education is sincerely trying to improve their lives through diet, exercise, and enlightenment.

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on September 10, 2013
at 10:52 PM

I completely agree with most of this and it's why I keep coming back to PaleoHacks almost daily. I guess i'm just frustrated (read pissed) that sometimes I can't get a straight answer to a straight question but instead get jerks coming along and making jokes at my expense. Then again, other days, I can ask an off-the-wall question and get 3 or 4 completely constructive responses that same day. I guess it's just hit-or-miss. This is the first time I've ever been truly active in a "forum" before.

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718fd304d7abab150730638bf2be5153

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on September 10, 2013
at 08:50 PM

Here's a hint: if you find an online community where everyone agrees on most things, where dissenders are called trolls and banned on the spot by moderators, and where there's an identified leader or small group of leaders that everyone openly worships, run away, and run away fast. You just found a cult.

On Paleohacks, there's none of the above. There is dissent, there's no leader. And I'll take cynicism and doubt any day over faith and obedience.

3013d1b44fd7f65b4c8412f229d1d00e

on September 10, 2013
at 11:41 PM

There's a massive difference between dissent and mockery, ridicule, and shaming. I agree with the OP's assessment--there seems to be more mockery and ridicule, and less helpfulness on paleohacks of late.

I'm no tender flower, and don't shy away from conflict. We can disagree until the (grass-fed) cows come home, but we don't need to diminish the other to do so.

And yes, "haters are gonna hate" and you will find that anywhere; the issue (I believe) is why that is becoming more prominent on paleohacks.

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(624)

on September 10, 2013
at 10:52 PM

I completely agree with most of this and it's why I keep coming back to PaleoHacks almost daily. I guess i'm just frustrated (read pissed) that sometimes I can't get a straight answer to a straight question but instead get jerks coming along and making jokes at my expense. Then again, other days, I can ask an off-the-wall question and get 3 or 4 completely constructive responses that same day. I guess it's just hit-or-miss. This is the first time I've ever been truly active in a "forum" before.

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on September 13, 2013
at 03:51 PM

Hey, I cannot answer anymore, but I find your questions very intelligent and reasonable. Some people can be rude just because that's the way they are. They do not care about other person's feelings. Just ignore them and wait for the good answers to be posted. Good luck!

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on September 13, 2013
at 07:42 PM

Thanks VB. What do you mean you cannot answer anymore though? I certainly hope you can!

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on September 12, 2013
at 07:12 PM

Reading this thread spiked my cortisol I'm going to eat a sweet potato and nap for a bit

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46f7fc24a213b038ab3f0a97c73a5441

on September 12, 2013
at 07:12 PM

Reading this thread spiked my cortisol I'm going to eat a sweet potato and nap for a bit

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(624)

on September 13, 2013
at 02:52 PM

This response made me want to learn more about cortisol. ALso, it made me laugh. I wish I could take a nap right now...

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on September 11, 2013
at 04:52 PM

It seems that I can't like or comment here. Maybe it's just page 2 of posts? Loosing the ability to down-vote sucks but not even being able to like and comment... well that's called broken. Can't seem to do anything on my phone either. I thought this was supposed to be more mobile friendly?

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on September 11, 2013
at 02:05 PM

Many trolls out there who bounce from forum to forum never having anything good to say, no matter the subject. They are called keyboard cowboys who ride from forum to forum showing my azz on each one till I get the boot. Few are have real true viewpoints.

That said there are some strange views out there of which Paleo is not one of them IMO. I own a company that manufacturers dog treats and I have interaction with a lot of dog owners...(not kidding on this) there are folks that HONESTLY believe that dogs are VEGANS, yes they will argue with you that dogs do not eat meat and only do because we feed it to them. I have not seen any animosity toward anyone and just soon it does not occur here. If you don't like the way and what I eat then move on, I don't do it for you I do it for me.

Went to an event last nite thinking there would be dinner, well there was but it was only sandwiches and cake. Being as I was HUNGRY I ate. Felt like I weighed a ton afterwards, woke up at 3 am with heartburn, no doubt from all the wheat I consumed. WIfe said same, nothing set right.

46f7fc24a213b038ab3f0a97c73a5441

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on September 12, 2013
at 07:16 PM

When the vegan dog police come knocking show them this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnassial

I also work with dogs and their owners, yes there are some very confused people out there.

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on September 11, 2013
at 04:28 AM

@daz

Facebook-style 'like' buttons without a 'dislike' button irritate me. These "Like" buttons could be renamed "I visited this location; and might buy products like this. Please show me such ads".

Without a down vote button, managing answer quality is still possible but it can't distinguish between adequate posts that get no votes and shitty posts that deserve a less than zero rating. To approximate this, you'd have to upvote every non-shitty answer on the site by a set amount; and vote more than once for the answer you actually admire most - which you can't do.

(Hmm. Commenting still doesn't work yet. Posting as an answer. Incidentally don't use Ctrl-Z for word undo; the granularity is currently too coarse - you'll lose most or all of your post!)

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

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on September 11, 2013
at 04:41 AM

"Commenting still doesn't work yet"...does that mean, commenting does not work with the particular browser/app you are using? another option would be to Edit your answer (browser/app permitting) as another way to respond/reply to a comment

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on September 11, 2013
at 02:54 AM

I suspect we now have an entirely different ecology since the switch to AnswerHub. I don't know precisely why that would have altered the quality of discourse.

Do we even know if the scope of questions on this site are still limited to people who have approached the Paleo concept in good faith?

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

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on September 11, 2013
at 04:01 AM

i also perceive that the site usage & interactions has change somewhat since the switch/upgrade to the new web site, maybe this will 'quiet' down after a while (& i could just be imagining it anyway). may not be helped by the disappearance of the rules/faq page & the up/down vote arrow options, changing to a 'like' button.

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on September 11, 2013
at 01:21 AM

In addition to these (true) comments, you need to consider that the people who stumble onto this site usually have a problem with Paleo and they googled that problem and found us. For some people any eating transition is going to be rocky, and some of those people found this site.

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on September 11, 2013
at 12:35 AM

Allergic? No, I think that because you've been feeling crappy for so many years without really knowing it because it's all you've ever known, like not knowing you need corrective lenses until you go to the eye doctor then putting on prescription glasses to see all that you've been missing (Pre-Paleo was 49 years ill, on Paleo is 2 years healthy for me). I think that after you are introduced to Paleo and go your 21 to 30 days clean & once you begin to feel great, have been living clean (gluten free or whatever) for so long, then get a dose of contaminated food and feel crappy again you are simply reminded of how bad you really felt. No more allergic, simply a slap in the face to say HEY get back on track!

Weight loss is simply a side effect of Paleo for most of us who were/are fatsos that need to lose weight. Paleo is about getting healthy, naturally through diet and lifestyle. Common sense isn't common, but some people need to see if they can find some. Eat right, live right and feel great.

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on September 10, 2013
at 11:14 PM

The silent majority is pro-Paleo. Moreover, many of the better commenters seem to become lurkers or rarities after a period of activity. They do not de-lurk only to comment on crap questions.

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on September 10, 2013
at 06:08 PM

When something shows up that sounds like an eating or behavioral disorder, my responses are sometimes not as sensitive as they could be. Thoughts like "dainty eater" enter my brain.

It's bow hunting season here and I'm seeing a lot of pictures of elk in pickup trucks. Shellfish and hazelnuts are coming into season, and the berries are about done. I forget that most of the people posting here aren't living a life related to seasonal availability. It's getting more and more difficult for me to conceive of paleo outside this context.

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on September 10, 2013
at 11:46 PM

With so few people up here on the WA coast it's easy to eat the same foods the Salish ate for thousands of years. The chances to hunt and gather are great but the weather and job situation suck. When I leave here I'll miss the fresh salmon, shucking native oysters, digging clams and picking wild berries.

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(624)

on September 10, 2013
at 10:57 PM

I desperately wish I could experience this. When I was growing up in Oregon, this lifestyle was a real possibility but it never really crossed my mind. Now I'm learning what matters most in a healthy lifestyle but living in south OC (just think hollywood with more trees and fewer actors) and it's just not there. Getting off topic anyone?

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on September 10, 2013
at 11:56 PM

I enjoy the seasonal aspects as well. Not to the extent that you do, probably, but I have definitely been much more seasonal these last couple of years transitioning to whole foods. It also helps when you have your own garden, like to forage, and you have friends that hunt and share. :)

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on September 10, 2013
at 05:13 PM

Trolls are everwhere. Sift through it and ignore the negativity. I think they key is to do what works for you and dont get buried in the minutiae.

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on September 10, 2013
at 05:06 PM

I couldn't agree more. I see downvoting for no apparent reason all the time. I understand if you disagree, but maybe make an educated rebuttal, or why you disagree. I also see a lot of newbies (with poor grammar and spelling) who are probably young and don't have the knowledgebase that a lot of us have hear, and some people treat them like idiots. They might be, but underneath the typos and silly ideas are legitimate questions and a desire to learn something and I think it's a crime that we are scaring people away that need help the most.

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(624)

on September 10, 2013
at 10:55 PM

This, too is very important. Sometimes it s real tuff to give a reel question a reel reply... But those of us most enlightened have to step back and realize some poor kid with a crappy education is sincerely trying to improve their lives through diet, exercise, and enlightenment.

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on September 10, 2013
at 03:46 PM

its called the internet, and possibly people who switch to paleo oversimplify their diets and only eat a very limited range of foods and then develop sensitivities. not really surprising on either front.(givin you adopt the prerequisite assumptions)

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on September 10, 2013
at 03:30 PM

Well, it's called Paleo HACKS right? Is this not the place to grind and swing your axe?

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on September 10, 2013
at 03:18 PM

Not sure why anyone would come here to mock Paleo, must be bored folks.

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