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I have no energy for my workouts, is this normal?

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Created October 29, 2012 at 12:59 PM

I started paleo a few weeks ago and felt good the first two days but now i have no energy and feel tired all the time. I also have no energy for my workouts. Am I doing something wrong? I want to try and lose some fat so that I can get lean but not sure what to do. I guess i need like a paleo plan or something. The other day I had a bowl of oatmeal for breakfast and felt like crap and bloated but was able to lift the heaviest at the gym but i dont want to eat grains so im not really sure how to go about this because i cant keep up with my hour long workouts. I also now notice that I have no appetite in the mornings. Before I would eat at 6am and was ready for my day everyday, but now I dont seem to get hungry until about 9 or 10am and my last meal of the day is at 6pm. I guess I just want to know what to eat pre and post workout for fat loss. Also, should I just focus on getting stronger, because the fat loss will come with it (slower of course)? Thanks

81181cab058dd652659e4bb2e6f25843

(528)

on November 01, 2012
at 11:58 PM

I realize that after our exchange on my linola question that I had commented on two of your answers. I'm not stalking you I can assure you. I don't care to read who posts, I only care what they have to say.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

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on November 01, 2012
at 08:29 PM

Whatever. It has nothing to do with being fat adapted it may occur with any major dietary transition regardless of marcos. I have never had to go through a drug or heavy metal detoxification, I pray that I never do. But if the term, "Detox", helps someone to understand that their physical and mental symptoms will alleviate over time, then I will continue to use it. And you can continue to stalk me from post to post as the literal-cop. I know, for me personally, thinking of it in this context helped me push through a very tough few weeks. Which is more important than a medical definition.

81181cab058dd652659e4bb2e6f25843

(528)

on November 01, 2012
at 02:58 PM

If you intended it as a metaphor you would not have tried defending it in your original reply. You can call it a metaphor but the problem lies in that having your brain ease into a different metabolism regime is not analogous to detox. (definition of Detoxify for your reference: "De-tox-i-fy v :1. To counteract or destroy the toxic properties of." You are accurate in saying Detox is a widely used term in our community, unfortunately it is an inappropriate term and is far from innocuous. People waste money every day getting Alt Med Detox treatments that are complete bunk.

81181cab058dd652659e4bb2e6f25843

(528)

on November 01, 2012
at 02:42 PM

@ crightfunnylol Eating carbs the night before is not carb loading and will confer no benefit. @CD Again, how does this have anything to do with the OP?

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

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on October 30, 2012
at 12:29 PM

It's called a metaphor. Call it the low-carb flu or the keto-cold or detox -- the fact is his symptoms may just be the result of making a drastic transition in his diet. Beyond that I believe that wheat is a low level chronic poison to many people -- even those (like me) who do not have celiac. And sugar is definitely toxic, albeit not a toxin. If you want to create a theoretical threshold where detoxification (which means to rid the body of substances not just toxins) goes from colloquial to clinical, then fine -- enjoy yourself.

2e1591c76896828077b930de5107f1af

on October 30, 2012
at 10:32 AM

if he cant eat in the morning, and that his workout sucks, maybe loading on carbs when you feel like eating(in that case at night) it might be benificial

81181cab058dd652659e4bb2e6f25843

(528)

on October 30, 2012
at 02:33 AM

I understand it will take time to become a 'fat burner' in a sense, this is in no way detox though. The term is incredibly misleading. Lead and Mercury are toxins. Wheat, MSG, and processed additives are not optimal but not toxins.

81181cab058dd652659e4bb2e6f25843

(528)

on October 30, 2012
at 02:24 AM

That may be true, but how does that have anything to do with the OP?

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

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on October 29, 2012
at 08:31 PM

There have been several studies that have shown that groups who eat carbs at night have reduced hunger than control groups. Feel free to read up!

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

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on October 29, 2012
at 08:26 PM

primarily sugar and to a lesser extent MSG, Wheat, and other processed additives. it takes time for the body to change it's primary fuel source. It is a very common term used on this board and other paleo blogs. Some call it the "low carb fuel" but it occurs even on a transition to paleo with comparable carb ratios. There are literally dozens of scientific literature discussing this, please feel free to read them.

81181cab058dd652659e4bb2e6f25843

(528)

on October 29, 2012
at 07:45 PM

What is the proposed benefit of your advice?

81181cab058dd652659e4bb2e6f25843

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on October 29, 2012
at 07:44 PM

What 'toxins' do you speak of? Please be specific. Why would the removal of said 'toxins' make the OP feel such a way?

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on October 29, 2012
at 04:29 PM

Yes I also get 7-8 hrs of sleep at night. Also, if I go to the gym in the early morning fasted then I do ok. But since I wake up at 5am and dont do a class until 8am, thats when I feel like I have no energy. I am eating high protein, high fat and get all of my carbs from vegetables. I just got my blood work done and my cholesterol was 238, it was normal before. Is this also normal? Im just eating good fats

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94e89cc96d5a58b71f36b369b8082999

on October 29, 2012
at 01:31 PM

"Paleo" doesn't have to mean "no carbs". Try having a sweet potato or a bit of white rice shortly before your workouts. If you're lifting, those carbs will be put to good use and not be stored as fat.

I'm in a similar situation to yours. I lift 3 times a week and train martial arts 3-6 days per week. I've found that sticking with meat and veggies for most of the day and eating a good helping of carbs directly before and after my workout leaves me performing well and progressing on my physique goals.

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B6400137b7a50279de74a24a2e08ae7f

on October 29, 2012
at 08:33 PM

I think it's likely one of the two scenarios suggested by the previous commenters: keto flu or you're just not eating enough carbs. See what happens in a week or two (by which time the flu should have subside). Eat when you're hungry! If piling on the fats isn't filling you up, then definitely add in carbs with a sweet potato, banana etc. I totally agree with the poster above that Paleo is not LC, and the degree to which it is not correlates highly with your activity level. Check out this post from Mark: marksdailyapple.com/paleo-potatoes/

You may also want to consider adding in a bulletproof coffee pre-workout since you're going for fat loss. This will increase your metabolism and also give you natural energy from medium chain triglycerides.

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0f8f4a38cf76cea5aa3bc9560f8b2866

on October 29, 2012
at 08:21 PM

They call it the low carb flu. It is normal and it sucks, you feel hungover, your body is moving from a carb burner to a fat burner. I felt great the first two days, had a low carb flu for 3 days, and I've been great ever since. A buddy of mine had it for 3 weeks and gave up. He recently went back to paleo and didn't have it at all (he was super low carb already).

You may be able to mitigate it but you can just power through too.

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on October 29, 2012
at 08:20 PM

Sounds like the dreaded 'Carb-flu' google it - It takes a few days/weeks for most to get used to the LC/ULC/VLC paleo that usually happens when jumping onto the paleo wagon.

Sounds like some beginner mistakes...

  1. You need to make sure that your getting enough Fat in your diet. Atleast 1:1 Fat:Protein - If you are unsure, add MORE fat from quality animal sources, avacados and coconut oils.

  2. Salt - add some quality sea salt to your diet - i like Himalayan Salt, but most sea salt is decent. On the SAD most people are getting a lot of salt (the bad processed kind, but getting it) in switching to Paleo many people unknowingly strip out all the salt which causes imbalances.

  3. Carbs - Carbs? yes Carbs! Time them right and they can help you with your energy and not effect you adversely. Throw some sweet potatoes, white rice (and other clean carbs) post workout/heavy lifting days. Realize that your taking these carbs in less because of 'repair' and more for preparing for your next workout. i.e. replenishing glycogen stores for the next workout.

If unsure about where your fat protein carbs are at check out the many free food tracking apps and sites - i like myfitnesspal but there are many other ones.

The other option is to stay completely ULC/VLC Ketogenic for a few weeks and wait for your body to adapt - however most athletes throw some carbs in here and there.

Everyone is different though so test and tweek and see what works for you :)

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on October 29, 2012
at 06:23 PM

I believe u have to be going wayyyy to LC . Calorie cutting andLCis short lived . Look into www.leangains.com for some awesome info . As someone posted above , paleo doesn't have to be LC . WE MUST HAVE CALORIES AND CARBS IN THE BODY TO PERFORM !!! Low cal & Low Carb is short lived check out my Youtube channel as well for great info the channel is realitychuck821000

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47edf681280750c3712a3a56f2eae33b

on October 29, 2012
at 03:16 PM

First don't overlook that a crucial part of Paleo is getting 8 hours of sleep. Are you getting enough sleep? Personally I like to work out fasted on just a coffee, then I eat whatever post workout until I'm satisfied. I usually eat pretty late at night because of my schedule. To recover I do coconut water.

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3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on October 29, 2012
at 01:44 PM

Yes, feeling tired when you start is normal. You are Detoxing from SAD. It took me three weeks before I started to feel better, some people are a week, some are four-five weeks. Your strategy should be to eat as clean as you can, and get your body used to eating this way first.

Second, in terms of weight loss/ strength. Adopt a good weight training routine. Try to progress on it, but remember weight loss and strength gain is difficult to accomplish at the same time, especially for beginners. Maintenance during weight loss is a HUGE accomplishment.

Finally, in terms of pre/post. I think at this point you should just eat when hungry. If you feel the need for carbs, tubers and bananas are great (although some people see less weight loss with fruits). Once you feel more comfortable, you can play around with fasted training.

Good luck!

81181cab058dd652659e4bb2e6f25843

(528)

on October 29, 2012
at 07:44 PM

What 'toxins' do you speak of? Please be specific. Why would the removal of said 'toxins' make the OP feel such a way?

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on October 29, 2012
at 08:26 PM

primarily sugar and to a lesser extent MSG, Wheat, and other processed additives. it takes time for the body to change it's primary fuel source. It is a very common term used on this board and other paleo blogs. Some call it the "low carb fuel" but it occurs even on a transition to paleo with comparable carb ratios. There are literally dozens of scientific literature discussing this, please feel free to read them.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on November 01, 2012
at 08:29 PM

Whatever. It has nothing to do with being fat adapted it may occur with any major dietary transition regardless of marcos. I have never had to go through a drug or heavy metal detoxification, I pray that I never do. But if the term, "Detox", helps someone to understand that their physical and mental symptoms will alleviate over time, then I will continue to use it. And you can continue to stalk me from post to post as the literal-cop. I know, for me personally, thinking of it in this context helped me push through a very tough few weeks. Which is more important than a medical definition.

81181cab058dd652659e4bb2e6f25843

(528)

on November 01, 2012
at 11:58 PM

I realize that after our exchange on my linola question that I had commented on two of your answers. I'm not stalking you I can assure you. I don't care to read who posts, I only care what they have to say.

81181cab058dd652659e4bb2e6f25843

(528)

on November 01, 2012
at 02:58 PM

If you intended it as a metaphor you would not have tried defending it in your original reply. You can call it a metaphor but the problem lies in that having your brain ease into a different metabolism regime is not analogous to detox. (definition of Detoxify for your reference: "De-tox-i-fy v :1. To counteract or destroy the toxic properties of." You are accurate in saying Detox is a widely used term in our community, unfortunately it is an inappropriate term and is far from innocuous. People waste money every day getting Alt Med Detox treatments that are complete bunk.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on October 30, 2012
at 12:29 PM

It's called a metaphor. Call it the low-carb flu or the keto-cold or detox -- the fact is his symptoms may just be the result of making a drastic transition in his diet. Beyond that I believe that wheat is a low level chronic poison to many people -- even those (like me) who do not have celiac. And sugar is definitely toxic, albeit not a toxin. If you want to create a theoretical threshold where detoxification (which means to rid the body of substances not just toxins) goes from colloquial to clinical, then fine -- enjoy yourself.

81181cab058dd652659e4bb2e6f25843

(528)

on October 30, 2012
at 02:33 AM

I understand it will take time to become a 'fat burner' in a sense, this is in no way detox though. The term is incredibly misleading. Lead and Mercury are toxins. Wheat, MSG, and processed additives are not optimal but not toxins.

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2e1591c76896828077b930de5107f1af

on October 29, 2012
at 01:25 PM

eat carbs at night, you dont have to eat in the morning

81181cab058dd652659e4bb2e6f25843

(528)

on October 29, 2012
at 07:45 PM

What is the proposed benefit of your advice?

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on October 29, 2012
at 08:31 PM

There have been several studies that have shown that groups who eat carbs at night have reduced hunger than control groups. Feel free to read up!

81181cab058dd652659e4bb2e6f25843

(528)

on October 30, 2012
at 02:24 AM

That may be true, but how does that have anything to do with the OP?

2e1591c76896828077b930de5107f1af

on October 30, 2012
at 10:32 AM

if he cant eat in the morning, and that his workout sucks, maybe loading on carbs when you feel like eating(in that case at night) it might be benificial

81181cab058dd652659e4bb2e6f25843

(528)

on November 01, 2012
at 02:42 PM

@ crightfunnylol Eating carbs the night before is not carb loading and will confer no benefit. @CD Again, how does this have anything to do with the OP?

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