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How to eat right for LASTING weight loss and health...?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created March 11, 2012 at 11:38 PM

I've been doing a lot of research on Ray Peat's and 180degree health (Matt Stone)'s stuff, among experimenting with other things (paleo, GAPS, WAPF, raw primal, ray peat, RRARF, etc) over the past few years. I want to learn the best way to lose weight (and keep it off), and heal from multiple sclerosis....basically, to be healthy and feel great!

From what I know now (from learning from all those different diets and theories), it seems like the best thing to do is heal yourself (metabolism, thyroid --->gut, digesting ---->autoimmune problems etc, kind of a cascade of healing that ALL goes together--you can't just do one part!!). The best healing diet seems to be all whole, REAL foods consisting of~~ (obviously, eveyone is different, but this is just my general ideas)

  1. carbs (mainly from simple sugars like fruit, fruit juice, honey. Ray Peat and GAPS both advocate cutting out the harder to digest starches until the gut is healed, and after experimenting on myself I tend to agree)--also fruit-veggies like zuchini, squash, cucumber.

  2. protein (grass fed meat, but not too much muscle; accompany it with gelatin in the form of powdered (great lakes), bone broth, oxtail soup or offal. Also, dairy in the form of greek yogurt (strained of the whey = which has lactic acid = stressful to the metabolism), raw milk, and cheese. Also, eggs if they're acutally free range.

  3. saturated fat, (and as LITTLE polyunsaturated fat as possible) in the form of butter, refined coconut oil, fat from meat and whole milk. Also, egg yolks.

It seems like in order for healing and weight loss to "stick", you have to fix your metabolism/thyroid first, so your body is in the right state to support its health. So the list of stuff above would be the "healing diet", with the eventual goal being, to be able to eat a much wider variety of foods (pretty much ALL whole healthy foods including grains, beans etc, restaurant and junk food occasionally etc.) and digest them easily and not have them cause any problems like weight gain or digestive distress. Although a major thing I learned is that restrictive diets aren't usually sustainable long-term, and are essentially like a "band aid" over the REAL problem (for ex: super-low-carb/fat/calorie, all liquid, all raw meat etc etc) becaues you can't do them forever or you'll screw up your metabolism. So, if you lose weight or cure a health issue on one such diet, and then add back in the restricted thing, a lot of times the weight/health problem/etc will come back because you didn't fix the underlying issue, YOU! haha ;-)

What do y'all think about my conclusions? Anyone tried something similar and got good results? Sorry this is so long, but I just kind of wanted to get my ideas written down and out there and get some feedback. :-)

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on March 12, 2012
at 07:52 PM

I'm hoping by next winter I'll be digesting starches well, and can stock up on lots of local potatoes, squashes and wild rice, as well as buy yams and white sticky rice. Yum!

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at 07:02 PM

I'm planning to more seasonally in the next year, meaning plenty of fruit (varying from month to month) and vegetables with fish during the growth season but mostly starchy and meaty next winter. I'm just curious about how that will work for me.

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on March 12, 2012
at 06:59 PM

In the last 3 weeks I've had one meal-portion each of white and sweet potatoes and 3 servings of converted rice. I had no negative reactions but I don't find them nearly as tasty as rutabagas, cauliflower, asparagus or brussels sprouts, etc. Once in a while I have some just to confirm they still don't do much for me.

E69cdc23a8d09c3bc46a16695276f42b

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on March 12, 2012
at 06:41 PM

What do you think about potatoes?

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at 06:40 PM

I agree; I love to eat seasonally. Always something to look forward to! Also, this summer, I'm going to make sure and preserve a lot of summer foods (fruit/berries etc) that I can't get here in the winter, so I don't have to buy them at the store.

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on March 12, 2012
at 02:15 AM

@Sile, when you talk about grains be careful. When we said "there's no one set of foods" we were talking within the overall umbrella of whole foods. I can eat rice without problems but it's not a staple for me; wheat is risky for me and isn't even a desired splurge. It's a good goal to say you want a much larger list of comfortable foods a year from now but grains may not ever be something you can eat regularly.

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on March 12, 2012
at 02:03 AM

Thanks Nance! I like this reocurring theme of "the foods you need for healing will change" --there is no ONE diet you need to eat forever. :-) I didn't realize how much I missed the variety that grains and potatos brought to my diet, until I had them every day for the past week or so, for the first time in about 3 years! However, due to the digestive trouble they've given me, I know I dove in wayyyy to fast and need to start over again... Its much easier to skip them until I'm ready, now that I know its not forever!

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on March 12, 2012
at 01:09 AM

The same seems to be true for healing from illness like MS...you're doing fine as long as you are SUPER strict with what you eat (and typically the list of what you tolerate gets shorter and shorter), but then as soon as you stray a teeny bit, wham! I don't want to live with that hanging over my head! My goal is to really BE healthy, 110%, so I can live a normal, fun life without worrying too much about what I'm eating!!! :-)

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on March 12, 2012
at 01:07 AM

Thanks for fixing that Sara <3 Yeah, the same thing happened with a couple of people in my family who are trying to lose weight, and it seems to be a reacurring theme with ANYONE who's gone on a restricted-something diet; that they initially did well, but then SOMETHING always happens and they gain it back, and think "if only I didn't do _____, I wouldn't have gained it back..." but I think that its more the fact that their body isn't healed yet, so its not really because of "_____" that they gained it back because the "_____" could technically be anything!

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I agree! That was the main thing I got from the 180degree health website, is the whole "non-diet" approach. After going through several different diets and finding that none were THE answer, I've realized that its more about the PERSON than some label that defines what they eat.

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Hi Sile, it looks like the formatting is a bit messed up. Your numbered items are HUGE. I hope you don't mind, but I'm going to try to edit it to fix it.

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on March 12, 2012
at 12:22 AM

I'd say that there's no one way and what you might at one point think is THE way for you is subject to change over time.

Eat real foods, minimize stress, maximize play and movement, sleep well. Tinker as needed.

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on March 12, 2012
at 01:03 AM

I agree! That was the main thing I got from the 180degree health website, is the whole "non-diet" approach. After going through several different diets and finding that none were THE answer, I've realized that its more about the PERSON than some label that defines what they eat.

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on March 12, 2012
at 01:38 AM

For lasting weight loss and improved health I can agree healing the gut is high priority but my gut took a long time to heal completely so I lost a lot of fat while the gut was healing. I changed from junk to whole foods in April 2011 and it's only in the past month that there's been evidence of full recovery.

A probiotic drink, water kefir, was an important part of rehabilitating my gut flora. For months, I was like a sponge soaking it up but finally in the last month my body signaled "enough"--I now drink about 2 cups every other day rather than 4 cups per day. I also eat 2/3 cup of extra-fat home-made yogurt every other day but that was not a major factor in my recovery.

My loss of body fat has been a series of shallow ledges rather than a slope; there have been times of noticeable fat loss and times when I've stabilized. I think this bodes well for sustained success because my failed diets always fell apart at about the 6-8 month point and I rapidly regained the lost weight.

I think Anonymous Chump is exactly right and you will find that your optimal mix of foods is likely to shift from month to month as you heal and become better nourished. Just relax and enjoy the journey!

E69cdc23a8d09c3bc46a16695276f42b

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on March 12, 2012
at 06:41 PM

What do you think about potatoes?

E69cdc23a8d09c3bc46a16695276f42b

(123)

on March 12, 2012
at 02:03 AM

Thanks Nance! I like this reocurring theme of "the foods you need for healing will change" --there is no ONE diet you need to eat forever. :-) I didn't realize how much I missed the variety that grains and potatos brought to my diet, until I had them every day for the past week or so, for the first time in about 3 years! However, due to the digestive trouble they've given me, I know I dove in wayyyy to fast and need to start over again... Its much easier to skip them until I'm ready, now that I know its not forever!

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on March 12, 2012
at 06:59 PM

In the last 3 weeks I've had one meal-portion each of white and sweet potatoes and 3 servings of converted rice. I had no negative reactions but I don't find them nearly as tasty as rutabagas, cauliflower, asparagus or brussels sprouts, etc. Once in a while I have some just to confirm they still don't do much for me.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on March 12, 2012
at 02:15 AM

@Sile, when you talk about grains be careful. When we said "there's no one set of foods" we were talking within the overall umbrella of whole foods. I can eat rice without problems but it's not a staple for me; wheat is risky for me and isn't even a desired splurge. It's a good goal to say you want a much larger list of comfortable foods a year from now but grains may not ever be something you can eat regularly.

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on March 12, 2012
at 12:19 AM

I'm exploring these issues right now, myself. I've always been a bit overweight, but every time I exercise more and eat less to lose 10 or 20 lbs, I end up gaining it back and then some, such that I'm now about 30 lbs over my ideal, muscular weight. After my celiac diagnosis, I realize that the problem may be due to inflammation and malnourishment as well as some thyroiditis. I am hoping that if I can fix my micronutrient deficiencies and thyroid issues, I can then lose weight and maintain it. I agree with you that if you don't fix the underlying issues, they'll just come back.

E69cdc23a8d09c3bc46a16695276f42b

(123)

on March 12, 2012
at 01:09 AM

The same seems to be true for healing from illness like MS...you're doing fine as long as you are SUPER strict with what you eat (and typically the list of what you tolerate gets shorter and shorter), but then as soon as you stray a teeny bit, wham! I don't want to live with that hanging over my head! My goal is to really BE healthy, 110%, so I can live a normal, fun life without worrying too much about what I'm eating!!! :-)

E69cdc23a8d09c3bc46a16695276f42b

(123)

on March 12, 2012
at 01:07 AM

Thanks for fixing that Sara <3 Yeah, the same thing happened with a couple of people in my family who are trying to lose weight, and it seems to be a reacurring theme with ANYONE who's gone on a restricted-something diet; that they initially did well, but then SOMETHING always happens and they gain it back, and think "if only I didn't do _____, I wouldn't have gained it back..." but I think that its more the fact that their body isn't healed yet, so its not really because of "_____" that they gained it back because the "_____" could technically be anything!

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on March 12, 2012
at 12:28 PM

What you have down as the your best guess 'healing diet' pretty much covers what I typically eat based on seasonal availability. I'm comfortable enjoying changes in certain circumstances to include other foods (including some junk) but I don't feel I need that in order to make the healing diet sustainable. Heading into spring now the balance of what I eat will change and there will be a lot more variety available anyway, and I'll know that come next winter I'll be naturally restricted again. And if that is a healing diet then I can be even more liberal during summer! I'm not sure how it fits in to helping with long-term chronic illnesses but eating seasonally/locally seems to make sense for a sustainable lifestyle.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on March 12, 2012
at 07:02 PM

I'm planning to more seasonally in the next year, meaning plenty of fruit (varying from month to month) and vegetables with fish during the growth season but mostly starchy and meaty next winter. I'm just curious about how that will work for me.

E69cdc23a8d09c3bc46a16695276f42b

(123)

on March 12, 2012
at 07:52 PM

I'm hoping by next winter I'll be digesting starches well, and can stock up on lots of local potatoes, squashes and wild rice, as well as buy yams and white sticky rice. Yum!

E69cdc23a8d09c3bc46a16695276f42b

(123)

on March 12, 2012
at 06:40 PM

I agree; I love to eat seasonally. Always something to look forward to! Also, this summer, I'm going to make sure and preserve a lot of summer foods (fruit/berries etc) that I can't get here in the winter, so I don't have to buy them at the store.

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on March 12, 2012
at 12:08 AM

I like the idea of the four pillars of nutrition, mixed with GAPS, and paleo-low carb with a side of PHD and a few Primal movements....dont forget to push your SUV up a hill and have the paleo solution and the anwer ready for test time.

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