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How long before Paleo will be seen as an ideal health diet to the mainstream?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created August 02, 2013 at 5:07 PM

I was quickly browsing through facebook and one of my old teachers had posted this ( http://www.sott.net/article/242516-Heart-surgeon-speaks-out-on-what-really-causes-heart-disease?fb_action_ids=10201084137479614&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_source=timeline_og&fb_aggregation_id=288381481237582&ref=profile_open_graph#_= ). I shared a bit of my success with the Paleo diet and linked some interesting books and sites to use. Surprisingly, only one out of 10 people had anything opposing to say, she linked this book for reference http://www.amazon.co.uk/Paleofantasy-Evolution-Really-Tells-ebook/dp/B007Q6XM1A

It's just interesting to see more people reconsidering what we've been told what we should and shouldn't eat all these years. Anybody else?

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on August 03, 2013
at 07:27 AM

"Health crazes come in cycles, it used to be pretty standard that you at fat and meat and veg and laid off the carbs if you were fat." Absolutely. It has been the last 40 yeras in the UK/US when doctors were saying go low fat and have that food pyramid stuffed with carbs for good health what was the change and aberration and made people so obese. Everyone knew if you went back 40 or 50 years if you want to be slimmer cut out your carbs. it is what doctors always said too. We just need to get back to that.

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on August 03, 2013
at 03:16 AM

Maybe opponents was the wrong word. Competition? The point is there is a lot of interested parties where convenient, unhealthy food is concerned. Yeah they aren't worried about hunting and gathering type things on a very small scale. But they certainly aren't doing honest research and getting the message out there about healthy food, self reliance and all that.

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on August 03, 2013
at 01:54 AM

We don't have enemies. We have cover in our obscurity. Big Agra has not the slightest interest in stopping my clam digging. If everyone wanted my small supply of clams they'd be out there with backhoes. But I'm the only one that's ever out there. No one knows and no one cares.

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on August 02, 2013
at 11:19 PM

Why do you keep doing it, then?

56c28e3654d4dd8a8abdb2c1f525202e

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on August 02, 2013
at 10:22 PM

In regard to coconut, google a map of where it is grown. It is all coastal plains. It can not be grown far in the interior, it starts dying when the temperature goes below 50F. Sure, palm oil is nearly as good, and a lot cheaper, but my guess is that a lot of the "budget pale" folks here would be budgeted out.

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(1822)

on August 02, 2013
at 10:19 PM

Surely you are jesting, Gruffalo. In my case, beef carcass has gone up from $2/lb to $3.50/lb in 7 years. I am not sure I want Cargill to start producing "grass fed beef", whatever that might mean. The price of that "beef" might go down but I do not want it. I bet it is still an indoors animal with hormones and antibiotics. It also makes no sense that the cost of grass fed beef would go down. A grass fed steer is 2 years old. A corn fed steer is 12-14 months old.

9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on August 02, 2013
at 10:07 PM

you know someones argument sucks when they keeps bringing up irrelevant stuff rather than addressing points.

9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on August 02, 2013
at 09:13 PM

4 hours intense combat sports is not small exertion. lifting weights on the other hand.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on August 02, 2013
at 09:02 PM

No, no, no! No peeps, no twinkies, no rice Krispies treats! Kale, carrot and grass fed meat for you, my friends!

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10490)

on August 02, 2013
at 08:48 PM

I want homemade marshmallows. (Yah, yah, totally not Paleo!)

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on August 02, 2013
at 08:12 PM

So I guess more of a primal approach will become more popular.

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on August 02, 2013
at 08:11 PM

Speaking of brain action, look up Alzheimer's and glucose metabolism. You might appreciate it later in life.

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on August 02, 2013
at 08:06 PM

By depending one glycogen for even the smallest of exertion you build up lactic acid at a much faster pace than if glycogen is reserved for the most extreme activity.

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on August 02, 2013
at 08:05 PM

Fat, you mean hovering just over 6%.

9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on August 02, 2013
at 07:52 PM

brain, goddamn I am never buying a wireless keyboard again.

9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on August 02, 2013
at 07:51 PM

I am on a broken keyboard you douce. Can you please address my point or are you too lipemic in the rain with all that fat brah?

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on August 02, 2013
at 07:47 PM

Dude, work on your spelling and grammar, so your sentences are comprehendible.

9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on August 02, 2013
at 07:36 PM

you don't seem tog et this is not about needing it, its about using it to push harder, it is simple kindergarten science that if you fuel your body during exercise with simple sugars you can push harder and longer, even if its just 5% more

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on August 02, 2013
at 07:36 PM

Serve the salmon cooked on a stick and give the guests a potlatch gift of little debbies to destroy.

9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on August 02, 2013
at 07:34 PM

its notn that I can't go 4 hours, its that I want to be able to go harder than ui could without a electrolyte sugar drink. If you are claiming that sugar intra workout will not raise your performance you are lying.

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on August 02, 2013
at 07:33 PM

I'll bet you enjoyed microwaving Peeps as a child. I used to mash twinkies. There's a vicarious thrill that comes from destroying junk food.

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on August 02, 2013
at 07:25 PM

Once again, it sounds like you are metabolically inflexible if you require glycogen for the entire period. I am sorry for you.

9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on August 02, 2013
at 07:25 PM

ut I want to perform better during my 4 hours of grappling, not replenish glycogen at my next meal, see the wall you keep not seeing and running into

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on August 02, 2013
at 07:21 PM

If you are not glycogen depleted, you do not need "fast acting" carbs. For that matter, even if you are, you will replenish your glycogen at the next meal.

9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on August 02, 2013
at 07:19 PM

In many areas where hunting is not allowed, and where coyotes have not become very populated, deer do not have to run around all day being chased by predators. Deer tracked with GPS collars to show activity level show now significant difference in bodyweight between those that are most active and those that are least. In fact, animals in the wild have shown to maintain virtually the same bodyfat percentage during long periods of famine, they just reproduce less. – SUSTAINEDfitness 2 mins ago please can you provide a source for this?

9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on August 02, 2013
at 07:19 PM

That is irrelevant and a strawman lol.

9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on August 02, 2013
at 07:18 PM

So really If someone eats fresh and nutritious meals but enhances himself during and after training, how will that diverge his hormones or remove the nutrition he recieves from foods considered paleo?

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on August 02, 2013
at 07:18 PM

Do you want to know who is the most dehydrated during a marathon.....the winners. That has been proven over and over again.

9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on August 02, 2013
at 07:17 PM

The performance bible according to master B. Having the right nutrients during training and prior to competition can dramatically impact competition performance, training recovery, body composition, and strength. • Dehydration is a high performance killer and a loss of as little as 2% of body mass can negatively affect performance. • During workouts and immediately after workouts athletes should sip a fast digesting carbohydrate-protein drink containing around 0.8g carbohydrate/kg and 0.4g protein/kg.

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on August 02, 2013
at 07:16 PM

great question..

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on August 02, 2013
at 07:16 PM

In many areas where hunting is not allowed, and where coyotes have not become very populated, deer do not have to run around all day being chased by predators. Deer tracked with GPS collars to show activity level show now significant difference in bodyweight between those that are most active and those that are least. In fact, animals in the wild have shown to maintain virtually the same bodyfat percentage during long periods of famine, they just reproduce less.

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on August 02, 2013
at 07:07 PM

Sorry Sustained, i have ask, when does a DEER not have to worry about predators. I agree with the idea that we eat our natural diet and all, but I'm fairly certain all wild animals including Lions and Tigers and Bears all have an eye out at all times for anything that may want to eat their food and or kill them... after all they are wild animals and therefore have no laws or moral beliefs.

9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on August 02, 2013
at 07:03 PM

Hey man yeah I like it too, I wasn't responding to you in that message mate.

9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on August 02, 2013
at 07:03 PM

Actually the whole michael phelps diet was bogus, He has stated multiple times he was fucking around and that while he ate alot he ate like half of that. "I never ate that much," Phelps said. "It's all a myth. I've never eaten that many calories." Seacrest replied: "Good because I was starting to loathe you, that you could really eat all this." Said Phelps: "I wish. It's too much though. It's pretty much impossible."

235e74b9adb57eff80592f064e1d298b

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on August 02, 2013
at 07:00 PM

Im not just trying to disagree, I like the healthy debate we have. I learn alot and it keeps me busy while Im sitting at a desk nursing a police related injury.

9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on August 02, 2013
at 06:59 PM

maybe so but it won't make someone gain weight on a calorie defecit because that is not happening, hence my accusation, fat people are fat because they ate too much, that is the only possible way. So when they say that carbs made then fat I say no fat face, calories made you fat, that and you not being able to ay no to chocolate. Let me also state, when I was younger I was in a road accident that left me off my feet for ages and fat as hell. I lost like 60lbs and got back in shape by merely cutitng calories 200 below maintenance, I still ate a snickers bar every day iifym style.

235e74b9adb57eff80592f064e1d298b

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on August 02, 2013
at 06:57 PM

As long as you are young and maintain an active lifestyle you will believe that everything is OK. Has anyone seen how much weight Michael Phelps has gained since his last Olympic appearance. He used to eat 12000 calories a day including Pizza and Peanut Butter and today he weighs 60lbs more than his competition weight and who knows how his body will be 10, 15, 20 years down the road. Youth is the great equalizer but you can not escape health.

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on August 02, 2013
at 06:57 PM

Eat the locally available sat fat whenever you can. For most people that's tallow, lard, butter. If you don't realize that coconut oil is a product of Big Agra you've missed something.

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on August 02, 2013
at 06:54 PM

GU...calories in/calories out is both right AND wrong. What you eat affects what your body does with those calories.

9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on August 02, 2013
at 06:53 PM

If you bothered reading what I said i actually just said that. Please read what I type and don't just try and disagree. "Now if you want performance aswell as being lean then you would want to fous on a paleo or whole food diet, but thats not my point, my point was fat levels, if you eat at or below what you burn off you won't gain fat. FACT. Now if you want to perform at your best and feel your best then you better be eating good and nutritious foods, as paleo followers do"

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on August 02, 2013
at 06:53 PM

Big worm....even when animals such as deer are near farmland with unlimited supply of food, and no predators, they don't get fat because they have hormones to regulate weight. When they eat their natural diet, the system works. When humans eat their natural diet it works also. When they don't it has a tendency to get messed up.

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on August 02, 2013
at 06:52 PM

GU...Eating junk while looking healthy and actually being healthy are not the same thing. That is why studies of marathon runners generally show a lot of atherosclerosis.

9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on August 02, 2013
at 06:50 PM

Howeer I see no adverse affect on my health, leanness or performance when I add non paleo foods to paleo, infact I feel I perform and recover better. To me it dies not matter if i eat bread, or eat this or that, it matters how much goodness I am feeding my body with to perform at its highest ability.

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(10601)

on August 02, 2013
at 06:48 PM

All you need to grow more coconut oil is clear a few more rainforests to feed the supply chain. Think to yourself whether coconut oil is a good idea, then get something made locally. If you live under a palm tree go for it.

9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on August 02, 2013
at 06:48 PM

Now if you want performance aswell as being lean then you would want to fous on a paleo or whole food diet, but thats not my point, my point was fat levels, if you eat at or below what you burn off you won't gain fat. FACT. Now if you want to perform at your best and feel your best then you better be eating good and nutritious foods, as paleo followers do.

9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on August 02, 2013
at 06:47 PM

hey man i never said that, I always say the reason paleo is great is because it forces a great micronutrient profile. I however can eat meat fruit, fresh fish, bone broth at 3000 calories and stay at 10% bodyfat if 3000 is my maintenance level, I can also eat 3000 calories worth of bigmacs and stay at 10% bodyfat

235e74b9adb57eff80592f064e1d298b

(421)

on August 02, 2013
at 06:44 PM

So GU, by your logic if I eat 3000 calories of McDonalds or 3000 calories of Fresh meats and veggies I will be just fine either way. There ae no differences in calories so there are no difference in types of fats, by-products, additives or preservatives... I'm just sayin'.

9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on August 02, 2013
at 06:42 PM

surely they would go down, like is discussed in capital, "overproduction" leads prices to go down because thewy are less scarce. So demand would probably not rise the price as the commodity would become more common thus lowering price. I bet we would see it go down around 30% of what it is now.

235e74b9adb57eff80592f064e1d298b

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on August 02, 2013
at 06:40 PM

I would say its because wild animals dont have fast food or televisions or video games, they dont have jobs that keep them in seats for 8 hours a day and they are constantly on the go trying to get that food before some other animal gets it or a predator gets them...

9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on August 02, 2013
at 06:39 PM

Hence why so many people found garry taubes and his psuedo science so offensive and reactionary. Its the same quackery that makes people buy into the bullshit vegan talk about how meat cloggs your arteries or how fat makes you fat. Nothing but excess in caloric intake vs expenditure makes you fat.

9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on August 02, 2013
at 06:37 PM

I know plenty of people who eat junk and are in shape merely due to calorie control. While I agree a diet like the paleo diet helps people, this idea that this macro or that processed food makes you fat is such a cop out for fat quitters to fall back on. Most of my family are lean, they all eat crap but simply make sure to burn off more than they take in. I have experienced great things from paleo ut its sad to see obese people use paleo or carbs or sugar as the reason for their obeseness, rather than just saying, I am fat because I eat too much.

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on August 02, 2013
at 06:30 PM

Like the faileo "Paleo bread".

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on August 02, 2013
at 06:29 PM

GU...how do animals in the wild with unlimited food at their disposal not get overweight? Hormones are the key, and learning what foods helps keep the hormones in balance is what will stop obesity, not keeping calories in check. Overweight people eat too much because hormones tell them too.

235e74b9adb57eff80592f064e1d298b

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on August 02, 2013
at 05:44 PM

I completely agree, Coconut Oil was the oil of choice until the 70's when it became detrimental to your health according to the FDA and slanderous propeganda against the stuff pretty much put it out of distribution here in the states. Too many lobbyists in the US AGRA business will keep Paleo from going mainstream just like the tobacco industry. Today, not a single person thinks tobacco is good for you, or the persons next to you, but the lobbyists still see $$$ and therefore it is still one of the biggest cash crops in the US and abroad.

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on August 02, 2013
at 05:33 PM

Depends on what your definition of paleo is I guess.

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(10601)

on August 02, 2013
at 07:13 PM

Never. It's a difficult choice and you have to have a good reason to want to do it. You have to cook for yourself with expensive ingredients. There's no paleo equivalent to eating 40 bananas a day.

What's more likely is the co-opting of paleo behavior. 10,000 steps a day is a recreation of paleo. Avoiding processed foods. Eating local foods, gathering the ones you can still gather. These are things people can and will do on a long term basis.

If being paleo means eating grass fed internal organs daily not 0.01% of the population would sign up for longer than a week. The paleo community, through hyperbole and shaming, turns the diet into a death march and shoots its slackers, driving them back to whatever they were doing before. The difference between optimal and acceptable is not very far. Why sweat optimal when all it does is extend your life for 15 minutes extra when you're 85.

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on August 02, 2013
at 05:46 PM

Selfishly, one would hope not for a long time. The price of grass fed beef would go through the roof, and wild caught fish would all but disappear from stores. Cod liver oil would also disappear. Coconut oil? There is not a whole lot of land in the world where coconut grows.

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on August 02, 2013
at 06:48 PM

All you need to grow more coconut oil is clear a few more rainforests to feed the supply chain. Think to yourself whether coconut oil is a good idea, then get something made locally. If you live under a palm tree go for it.

56c28e3654d4dd8a8abdb2c1f525202e

(1822)

on August 02, 2013
at 10:19 PM

Surely you are jesting, Gruffalo. In my case, beef carcass has gone up from $2/lb to $3.50/lb in 7 years. I am not sure I want Cargill to start producing "grass fed beef", whatever that might mean. The price of that "beef" might go down but I do not want it. I bet it is still an indoors animal with hormones and antibiotics. It also makes no sense that the cost of grass fed beef would go down. A grass fed steer is 2 years old. A corn fed steer is 12-14 months old.

9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on August 02, 2013
at 06:42 PM

surely they would go down, like is discussed in capital, "overproduction" leads prices to go down because thewy are less scarce. So demand would probably not rise the price as the commodity would become more common thus lowering price. I bet we would see it go down around 30% of what it is now.

56c28e3654d4dd8a8abdb2c1f525202e

(1822)

on August 02, 2013
at 10:22 PM

In regard to coconut, google a map of where it is grown. It is all coastal plains. It can not be grown far in the interior, it starts dying when the temperature goes below 50F. Sure, palm oil is nearly as good, and a lot cheaper, but my guess is that a lot of the "budget pale" folks here would be budgeted out.

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on August 02, 2013
at 05:40 PM

I am afraid not for a long, long time.

Why is that?

  1. The food industry (and it is a huge multi-billion dollar business) is never going to give up their money generated machines - it is too easy to make money this way.

  2. All the junk food is embedded in us from childhood. What do we get for our birthday? That's right, a cake. Chocolates as a thank you gift, cookies for Christmas, Halloween, thanksgiving, you name it. Chips and ice cream is our comfort food and popcorn is a must at the movies. However, nobody tells you that people who make microwave popcorn get a very rare form of cancer.

  3. Working moms, working dads, who has time to cook? Most people concentrate on getting a healthy take out.

  4. Soda galore. And juice is considered "the healthy alternative".

  5. Low fat/ whole grain nutritional advice.

Processed foods are highly regarded as homemade food. I watched a lady making... HOMEMADE MARSHMALLOWS on Youtube. My good, what is this world coming to?

This is a sad, sad truth.

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(15515)

on August 02, 2013
at 09:02 PM

No, no, no! No peeps, no twinkies, no rice Krispies treats! Kale, carrot and grass fed meat for you, my friends!

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(10601)

on August 02, 2013
at 07:36 PM

Serve the salmon cooked on a stick and give the guests a potlatch gift of little debbies to destroy.

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(10601)

on August 02, 2013
at 07:33 PM

I'll bet you enjoyed microwaving Peeps as a child. I used to mash twinkies. There's a vicarious thrill that comes from destroying junk food.

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on August 02, 2013
at 08:48 PM

I want homemade marshmallows. (Yah, yah, totally not Paleo!)

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on August 02, 2013
at 08:07 PM

I don't think it's likely the Paleo diet will go mainstream - ever. Why? Because Paleo dictates two fundamental food groups (grains, dairy) as forbidden. So much of what Americans eat involve these foods. It requires such a ground up transformation to go Paleo that most folks simply wouldn't bother. In fact they would laugh and not hear pro-Paleo health arguments.

Now as we all know gluten free is getting popular. Gluten free is maybe tolerable for most because one cause always use gluten free grain substitutes (to make bread, for example). But going completely grain free is much more challenging. Grain free flours, for example made from almond and coconut, are quite limited in their ability to serve as a grain substitutes.

Things are even worse when it comes to dairy. Dairy is everywhere. We are repeatedly told dairy is good for us. Dairy substitutes are hard to find in stores, hard to prepare at home, relatively expensive, and you will rarely find them in restaurants. I personally found adjusting to a dairy free lifestyle to be especially difficult in the beginning.

Having said all this, I think Paleo, in some form or another (..perhaps it will be rebranded at some point), will become mainstream among people with chronic illnesses (autoimmune diseases, allergies, ...). But this still means no more than 10-15% of the general populace would do Paleo.

_Lazza

PS - I just visited a new GP and he never heard of Paleo. We have a lot of work to do!!!

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on August 02, 2013
at 08:12 PM

So I guess more of a primal approach will become more popular.

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on August 02, 2013
at 06:36 PM

First we have to examine what the Paleo diet is...

I will start by stating what is not; it is not a "diet" in the sense that people should expect to lose weight by eating Paleo. Many people will lose weight as a result of cutting out grains since so many bad foods are included with the use of grains, but to expect to eat Paleo and the weight will melt off your body is unrealistic.

Paleo is a "diet" in the sence of a nutritionists view of a diet. It is a way of eating to be healthy, it is a way of living to be happy, and it is a way of thinking to be stress free.

I believe that if you look around the industrialized parts of the world more and more people are realizing the downside of grains and their harmful effects. It will take some time for this to be mainstream but it is happening now.

I also think that if people continue to view the Paleo diet as a diet to lose weight then it will never become mainstream it will only be a fad diet like every other fad diet out there. People will have unrealistic goals and when those goals are not met they will yo-yo just like everything else they have tried.

Ultimately I think that Paleo is a personal choice of the individual rather than a mainstream diet like SAD or Atkins or South Beach or any of the other fads out there.

What I would like to see become mainstream is the knowledge of Grains being bad for you. I do believe that is happening, however there are places in the world that depend on grains to survive; even here in America there are people who have no meat or fish or veggies at all in their diet because of poverty. Too many people think that starvation only happens in 3rd world countries when in fact it happens right where all of us live. And for that reason BIG AGRA companies will continue to profit and lobby the government and the Paleo diet will continue to be viewed as a fad.

For me it is a choice to be healthy...

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9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on August 02, 2013
at 05:46 PM

Health crazes come in cycles, it used to be pretty standard that you at fat and meat and veg and laid off the carbs if you were fat, then it became veganism to fight obesity, then atkins came around, now that is dying out.

Most people will do fine eating anything as long as they keep their calories in check. Paleo is a great framework because it helps people get in quality micro nutrients. Howeer the rise of paleo, like veganism or atkins will eb and flow and like all diets, be cycled around forever by the general public.

9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on August 02, 2013
at 06:53 PM

If you bothered reading what I said i actually just said that. Please read what I type and don't just try and disagree. "Now if you want performance aswell as being lean then you would want to fous on a paleo or whole food diet, but thats not my point, my point was fat levels, if you eat at or below what you burn off you won't gain fat. FACT. Now if you want to perform at your best and feel your best then you better be eating good and nutritious foods, as paleo followers do"

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on August 02, 2013
at 06:53 PM

Big worm....even when animals such as deer are near farmland with unlimited supply of food, and no predators, they don't get fat because they have hormones to regulate weight. When they eat their natural diet, the system works. When humans eat their natural diet it works also. When they don't it has a tendency to get messed up.

9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on August 02, 2013
at 07:52 PM

brain, goddamn I am never buying a wireless keyboard again.

9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on August 02, 2013
at 07:25 PM

ut I want to perform better during my 4 hours of grappling, not replenish glycogen at my next meal, see the wall you keep not seeing and running into

9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on August 02, 2013
at 07:36 PM

you don't seem tog et this is not about needing it, its about using it to push harder, it is simple kindergarten science that if you fuel your body during exercise with simple sugars you can push harder and longer, even if its just 5% more

9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on August 02, 2013
at 06:47 PM

hey man i never said that, I always say the reason paleo is great is because it forces a great micronutrient profile. I however can eat meat fruit, fresh fish, bone broth at 3000 calories and stay at 10% bodyfat if 3000 is my maintenance level, I can also eat 3000 calories worth of bigmacs and stay at 10% bodyfat

9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on August 02, 2013
at 07:51 PM

I am on a broken keyboard you douce. Can you please address my point or are you too lipemic in the rain with all that fat brah?

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on August 02, 2013
at 06:54 PM

GU...calories in/calories out is both right AND wrong. What you eat affects what your body does with those calories.

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(421)

on August 02, 2013
at 07:00 PM

Im not just trying to disagree, I like the healthy debate we have. I learn alot and it keeps me busy while Im sitting at a desk nursing a police related injury.

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on August 02, 2013
at 08:11 PM

Speaking of brain action, look up Alzheimer's and glucose metabolism. You might appreciate it later in life.

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on August 02, 2013
at 06:29 PM

GU...how do animals in the wild with unlimited food at their disposal not get overweight? Hormones are the key, and learning what foods helps keep the hormones in balance is what will stop obesity, not keeping calories in check. Overweight people eat too much because hormones tell them too.

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(421)

on August 02, 2013
at 07:07 PM

Sorry Sustained, i have ask, when does a DEER not have to worry about predators. I agree with the idea that we eat our natural diet and all, but I'm fairly certain all wild animals including Lions and Tigers and Bears all have an eye out at all times for anything that may want to eat their food and or kill them... after all they are wild animals and therefore have no laws or moral beliefs.

9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on August 02, 2013
at 06:37 PM

I know plenty of people who eat junk and are in shape merely due to calorie control. While I agree a diet like the paleo diet helps people, this idea that this macro or that processed food makes you fat is such a cop out for fat quitters to fall back on. Most of my family are lean, they all eat crap but simply make sure to burn off more than they take in. I have experienced great things from paleo ut its sad to see obese people use paleo or carbs or sugar as the reason for their obeseness, rather than just saying, I am fat because I eat too much.

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on August 02, 2013
at 07:47 PM

Dude, work on your spelling and grammar, so your sentences are comprehendible.

9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on August 02, 2013
at 07:03 PM

Actually the whole michael phelps diet was bogus, He has stated multiple times he was fucking around and that while he ate alot he ate like half of that. "I never ate that much," Phelps said. "It's all a myth. I've never eaten that many calories." Seacrest replied: "Good because I was starting to loathe you, that you could really eat all this." Said Phelps: "I wish. It's too much though. It's pretty much impossible."

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on August 03, 2013
at 07:27 AM

"Health crazes come in cycles, it used to be pretty standard that you at fat and meat and veg and laid off the carbs if you were fat." Absolutely. It has been the last 40 yeras in the UK/US when doctors were saying go low fat and have that food pyramid stuffed with carbs for good health what was the change and aberration and made people so obese. Everyone knew if you went back 40 or 50 years if you want to be slimmer cut out your carbs. it is what doctors always said too. We just need to get back to that.

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on August 02, 2013
at 11:19 PM

Why do you keep doing it, then?

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(421)

on August 02, 2013
at 06:44 PM

So GU, by your logic if I eat 3000 calories of McDonalds or 3000 calories of Fresh meats and veggies I will be just fine either way. There ae no differences in calories so there are no difference in types of fats, by-products, additives or preservatives... I'm just sayin'.

9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on August 02, 2013
at 07:17 PM

The performance bible according to master B. Having the right nutrients during training and prior to competition can dramatically impact competition performance, training recovery, body composition, and strength. • Dehydration is a high performance killer and a loss of as little as 2% of body mass can negatively affect performance. • During workouts and immediately after workouts athletes should sip a fast digesting carbohydrate-protein drink containing around 0.8g carbohydrate/kg and 0.4g protein/kg.

9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on August 02, 2013
at 06:50 PM

Howeer I see no adverse affect on my health, leanness or performance when I add non paleo foods to paleo, infact I feel I perform and recover better. To me it dies not matter if i eat bread, or eat this or that, it matters how much goodness I am feeding my body with to perform at its highest ability.

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on August 02, 2013
at 07:25 PM

Once again, it sounds like you are metabolically inflexible if you require glycogen for the entire period. I am sorry for you.

9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on August 02, 2013
at 07:03 PM

Hey man yeah I like it too, I wasn't responding to you in that message mate.

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on August 02, 2013
at 08:05 PM

Fat, you mean hovering just over 6%.

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(421)

on August 02, 2013
at 06:57 PM

As long as you are young and maintain an active lifestyle you will believe that everything is OK. Has anyone seen how much weight Michael Phelps has gained since his last Olympic appearance. He used to eat 12000 calories a day including Pizza and Peanut Butter and today he weighs 60lbs more than his competition weight and who knows how his body will be 10, 15, 20 years down the road. Youth is the great equalizer but you can not escape health.

9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on August 02, 2013
at 07:18 PM

So really If someone eats fresh and nutritious meals but enhances himself during and after training, how will that diverge his hormones or remove the nutrition he recieves from foods considered paleo?

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on August 02, 2013
at 07:16 PM

In many areas where hunting is not allowed, and where coyotes have not become very populated, deer do not have to run around all day being chased by predators. Deer tracked with GPS collars to show activity level show now significant difference in bodyweight between those that are most active and those that are least. In fact, animals in the wild have shown to maintain virtually the same bodyfat percentage during long periods of famine, they just reproduce less.

9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on August 02, 2013
at 07:19 PM

In many areas where hunting is not allowed, and where coyotes have not become very populated, deer do not have to run around all day being chased by predators. Deer tracked with GPS collars to show activity level show now significant difference in bodyweight between those that are most active and those that are least. In fact, animals in the wild have shown to maintain virtually the same bodyfat percentage during long periods of famine, they just reproduce less. – SUSTAINEDfitness 2 mins ago please can you provide a source for this?

9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on August 02, 2013
at 06:48 PM

Now if you want performance aswell as being lean then you would want to fous on a paleo or whole food diet, but thats not my point, my point was fat levels, if you eat at or below what you burn off you won't gain fat. FACT. Now if you want to perform at your best and feel your best then you better be eating good and nutritious foods, as paleo followers do.

9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on August 02, 2013
at 07:34 PM

its notn that I can't go 4 hours, its that I want to be able to go harder than ui could without a electrolyte sugar drink. If you are claiming that sugar intra workout will not raise your performance you are lying.

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(421)

on August 02, 2013
at 06:40 PM

I would say its because wild animals dont have fast food or televisions or video games, they dont have jobs that keep them in seats for 8 hours a day and they are constantly on the go trying to get that food before some other animal gets it or a predator gets them...

9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on August 02, 2013
at 10:07 PM

you know someones argument sucks when they keeps bringing up irrelevant stuff rather than addressing points.

9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on August 02, 2013
at 07:19 PM

That is irrelevant and a strawman lol.

9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on August 02, 2013
at 06:59 PM

maybe so but it won't make someone gain weight on a calorie defecit because that is not happening, hence my accusation, fat people are fat because they ate too much, that is the only possible way. So when they say that carbs made then fat I say no fat face, calories made you fat, that and you not being able to ay no to chocolate. Let me also state, when I was younger I was in a road accident that left me off my feet for ages and fat as hell. I lost like 60lbs and got back in shape by merely cutitng calories 200 below maintenance, I still ate a snickers bar every day iifym style.

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on August 02, 2013
at 08:06 PM

By depending one glycogen for even the smallest of exertion you build up lactic acid at a much faster pace than if glycogen is reserved for the most extreme activity.

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on August 02, 2013
at 06:52 PM

GU...Eating junk while looking healthy and actually being healthy are not the same thing. That is why studies of marathon runners generally show a lot of atherosclerosis.

9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on August 02, 2013
at 09:13 PM

4 hours intense combat sports is not small exertion. lifting weights on the other hand.

9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on August 02, 2013
at 06:39 PM

Hence why so many people found garry taubes and his psuedo science so offensive and reactionary. Its the same quackery that makes people buy into the bullshit vegan talk about how meat cloggs your arteries or how fat makes you fat. Nothing but excess in caloric intake vs expenditure makes you fat.

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on August 02, 2013
at 07:18 PM

Do you want to know who is the most dehydrated during a marathon.....the winners. That has been proven over and over again.

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on August 02, 2013
at 07:21 PM

If you are not glycogen depleted, you do not need "fast acting" carbs. For that matter, even if you are, you will replenish your glycogen at the next meal.

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on August 02, 2013
at 10:15 PM

I don't think it will ever reach the popularity of say, the atkins diet. We have too many opponents in the form of fast food giants, Big Agriculture, and all the "experts" who recommend filling up on low fat junk food and whole grains. But a big reason that we tend to forget is that people go for the easy way out. That is, groups like weight watchers who tell you that you can "eat pizza without cheating"; simply reduce calories and fat a bit and the pounds will fly off - that message really appeals to the masses. We know it isn't nearly that simple. But most people want to believe it.

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on August 03, 2013
at 01:54 AM

We don't have enemies. We have cover in our obscurity. Big Agra has not the slightest interest in stopping my clam digging. If everyone wanted my small supply of clams they'd be out there with backhoes. But I'm the only one that's ever out there. No one knows and no one cares.

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on August 03, 2013
at 03:16 AM

Maybe opponents was the wrong word. Competition? The point is there is a lot of interested parties where convenient, unhealthy food is concerned. Yeah they aren't worried about hunting and gathering type things on a very small scale. But they certainly aren't doing honest research and getting the message out there about healthy food, self reliance and all that.

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on August 02, 2013
at 08:35 PM

It took the U.S. 60 years to get to this point, and it would take at least that long to make Paleo mainstream. We won't have to worry about that though, because in 35–40 years, the climate is going to be so unstable that reliable food production of any kind will be history.

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on August 02, 2013
at 05:33 PM

It is certainly starting to be adopted more and more. See on Google Trends:

http://www.google.com/trends/explore?q=diet#q=diet&cmpt=q

Of all diet searches, paleo is the fourth highes "Rising" trend with a +2,850% increase. The only two specific diets that get searched more often are Atkins and South Beach.

http://www.google.com/trends/explore?q=paleo+diet#q=paleo%20diet&cmpt=q

As you can see from the "Paleo Diet" trend, since 2010 the trend is certainly still on the increase.

That being said, I am not sure I want "Paleo" to be mainstream for two reasons.

1) Using this site as a template, some people have a pretty messed up view of what "Paleo" means (or maybe I am the one with the messed up view). Mainstream = more adoptions with less research = increase in "Faileo Diets"

2) Mainstream also means marketing. As we've seen, even in a niche marketplace, there are plenty of people willing to push out "Paleo" products that are just as bad as anything else. This of course fosters concern #1...

Ultimately if we can "Mainstream" the whole foods and organic movement, that helps everyone.

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on August 02, 2013
at 06:30 PM

Like the faileo "Paleo bread".

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on August 02, 2013
at 05:16 PM

To answer your question about how long until a paleo template is seen as healthy by the mainstream, it is happening more and more. I would assume within the next 10 years, possibly sooner, but the progress will be slow, and big Ag will try to slow or stop it. American is the largest producer in the world of cereal grains, soy and industrial seed oils. That is a lot of influential money to be lost. It was big Ag that convinced everyone decades ago to give up coconut oil, claiming it we unhealthy because it was mostly saturated fats. In reality, it was because America wasn't a large producer of coconut oil, and it competed against soy, corn, canola and other seed oils.

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on August 02, 2013
at 06:57 PM

Eat the locally available sat fat whenever you can. For most people that's tallow, lard, butter. If you don't realize that coconut oil is a product of Big Agra you've missed something.

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(421)

on August 02, 2013
at 05:44 PM

I completely agree, Coconut Oil was the oil of choice until the 70's when it became detrimental to your health according to the FDA and slanderous propeganda against the stuff pretty much put it out of distribution here in the states. Too many lobbyists in the US AGRA business will keep Paleo from going mainstream just like the tobacco industry. Today, not a single person thinks tobacco is good for you, or the persons next to you, but the lobbyists still see $$$ and therefore it is still one of the biggest cash crops in the US and abroad.

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