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How important would you say veggies are in a paleo diet?

Commented on July 21, 2014
Created July 18, 2014 at 8:39 PM

Let's just say that, for argument's sake, I was getting all of my nutrients from animal-based foods like beef liver, pastured eggs, wild sockeye, bone broth etc. Are vegetables and fruit still necessary and what would I be deficient in?

I eat vegetables personally, and don't have any personal vendetta against them or anything. However, I am curious as to how much weight should be given to their importance. We do know that vegans and vegetarians hold veggies as the holy grail. Yet I have heard there are side effects such as oxalates and in some cases phytates, and in many cases, such as with non-heme iron and beta carotene, bio-availability can often be inferior to animal foods.

Thoughts?

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on July 21, 2014
at 12:05 PM

Omnivore 101.

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on July 21, 2014
at 03:19 AM

I like plants.

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on July 21, 2014
at 02:48 AM

Plant man?

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Two URLs stuck together. Hit paste, twice probs.

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on July 20, 2014
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Thanks.... what did I do wrong? I copied & pasted the link to a new window before I pasted in my answer and it worked fine?

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Fixed.....

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The link to the video leads to page with a "video not found message."

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Yes, I understand Vitamin C is cooked off by cooking so that would need to be obtained either through fruits or vegetables. I'm wondering what else is needed though?

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on July 19, 2014
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Survive vs thrive. You can survive without veggies, but not likely thrive without them.

Toss beef, chicken, pork (8 oz each), salmon (4 ounces) and eggs (6) into Cronometer and see what numbers show up. That's nearly my calorie needs… but deficient in folate, vitamin A, vitamin C, vitamin E, vitamin K, Ca, Cu, Mg, Mn, Na, K. What foods have those in spades? Plants!

Toss spinach, onions, peppers, and potatoes in totaling half that number of calories (mostly potatoes mind you)… but the gaps are only B12, Se, only slightly low on Ca and Zn. A single brazil nut corrects the selenium deficiency by twice daily needs.

Now which one is more essential? Seems like plants to me. Of course, you'll never get enough B12 from plants alone, but the same goes (effectively) for Vitamin C, K, Mn from animal sources.

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on July 21, 2014
at 12:05 PM

Omnivore 101.

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on July 21, 2014
at 02:48 AM

Plant man?

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on July 19, 2014
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While I do agree that eating your veggies is a good thing, I also believe:

"the dose makes the poison" and "the dose gives the benefit".

A little red wine is probably good for you, a bottle a day...not so much. Spinach & greens are good for you, as are nuts but a "spinach & nut diet"?

Here's a link to Geogia Ede, MD, she take a look the questions "are veggies good for you / are veggies necessary in your diet"

http://www.diagnosisdiet.com/is-broccoli-good-for-...

a video presentation about veggies

http://vimeo.com/52606062

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The link to the video leads to page with a "video not found message."

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on July 19, 2014
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Vegetables are fundemental in the paleo diet or any health-seeking diet.

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on July 18, 2014
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If you believe that certain minerals are best in a certain ratio, like Ca/P about 2-2.5, and Ca/Mg between 1 and 2, you would know that there is no chance of getting those ratios without vegetables. Plus what TG said.

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on July 18, 2014
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Unless you're eating raw meat quite often (which carries a high risk of acquiring parasites and food poisoning), you would probably become deficient in vitamin C. You would get scurvy and die.

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on July 18, 2014
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Yes, I understand Vitamin C is cooked off by cooking so that would need to be obtained either through fruits or vegetables. I'm wondering what else is needed though?

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