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Hail and Farewell to Paleohacks?

Commented on February 19, 2014
Created February 18, 2014 at 8:40 PM

@TheGastronomer made an excellent point earlier--I should not call myself "paleo" anymore.

So I guess this is my coming-out-of-paleo post.

I've begun eating freely in order to heal my adrenals and get my temperature up. I'm tired of being tired and cold and unable to do much of anything. I'm tired of orthorexia.

I'm ready to live and eat and be healthy. And have a sex drive.

I will be avoiding PUFAs/AA (arichodonic acid), and excess anything. I'll back off the sugar excess once my body is convinced I've stopped starving it.

I hope to always stay open-minded about this and everything else. I've already lived through a religious cult and I am not going to be a food cultist.

Freedom!

(a week of Matt Stone's advice and I am a new person, FWIW. Eat For Heat, Eat Better Than a Caveman, etc.)

If I need to delete myself from this group I will, but I've always loved the interactions here. So much more civility and intelligence than the norm. :-)

Thanks, everyone!

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on February 19, 2014
at 01:13 PM

Indeed, sounds like a too low carb thing. I personally eat primal, moderate carb, and have occasional cheat days, where I eat pizza or similar. So far as I am concerned, its high regular intake of wheat, oils, sugars, very high carbs that is the issue. So long as you are more moderate that most people with such foods, they won't kill ya. Anti-nutrients especially work on volume. In small amounts some of them can be quite positive.

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on February 19, 2014
at 12:43 PM

I am glad :) Enjoy your day :)

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on February 19, 2014
at 12:17 PM

your comment made me happy this morning--thank you!

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on February 19, 2014
at 01:30 AM

I've learned so much stuff here. Some useful, some not, some just plain psycho. This is the first place I heard about Christopher Hitchens passing, and about leptin reset, and bulletproof coffee....why bother with the mono focus of someone like Sisson? Maybe the name should be changed to Paleoriffs....it's the main clearinghouse of paleo info of all kinds...

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on February 18, 2014
at 11:06 PM

Thanks! And you're totally not a jerk. I always enjoy reading your answers. I'm fine with closing it and would do it myself except that comments are ongoing. ? I did TECHNICALLY phrase it as a question. :D

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on February 18, 2014
at 10:56 PM

perhaps once i get my dose optimized, my brain fog, energy and weight won't be as negatively influenced by carbs, and I can add a few back in.

Eb87941a669017dfb288d296cc672130

on February 18, 2014
at 10:46 PM

gotcha. I used to have a low body temp and also tried dessicated thyroid. It wasn't until I got over my carbphobia that my body temp went back up again and my feet/hands were no longer cold all the time. IDK if you have the same phobia but I just thought I'd share how I cleaned myself up. I went from eating only green vegetables to eating around 150 grams of carbs a day from starches and fruits and sure enough that did the job. There is no mistaking it either because the effect was immediate. But then again I do a lot of glycolitic exercise too.

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on February 18, 2014
at 10:43 PM

Not to be a jerk -- but shouldn't this be closed as not a question? :).

No need to leave Beth, as long as you are eating whole, unprocessed foods you are paleo in my book!

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on February 18, 2014
at 10:39 PM

I'm not so much concerned with adaptation as I believe that man, being an opportunistic omnivore, is perfectly capable of eating a wide variety of foods. I see it more from an engineering perspective: the body is a machine that works via biochemical control systems and feedback loops that it uses to regulate outputs which can be directly mapped to biological parameters indicative of our health. In my opinion, health should be about maintaining this machinery in the best possible shape, by providing the least offensive inputs, thereby causing the least damage required to keep it functional.

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on February 18, 2014
at 10:29 PM

@AnyonesGhost Good advice, telling the OP to eat more calories even though she is experiencing weight gain by eating Paleo. Isn't this contrary to your assertion that calories increase body weight? Why are you so prone to contradicting yourself? Is there something lacking in the logic department?

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on February 18, 2014
at 10:26 PM

I guess I'm more optimistic (based on my reading and experience) about what man is capable of adapting to eat. I certainly understand your point of view.

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on February 18, 2014
at 10:25 PM

no, unfortunately. I've been eating around 2k calories (probably 1600-2000 on weekdays and 2000-2400 on weekends) with no exercise. I've just switched to desiccated thyroid in october and have raised my dose a week ago, so hopefully that will help.

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on February 18, 2014
at 10:22 PM

You're 100% right Eugenia. Pizza and pasta certainly do not help. It's one or the other (unconstrained access to delicious food vs. good health) and in this case the OP can't have her cake and eat it too. If health is to be improved junk food must be cut out, but if one wishes to enjoy food to its fullest, some health must be sacrificed.

What can't be done is heal one's ailments while simultaneously throwing care into the wind with regards to nutrition. Such a feat would result in a great deal of cognitive dissonance and failure in either realm (health vs. enjoyment of food) is certain.

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on February 18, 2014
at 10:22 PM

All I know is I ate good paleo meals for a long time and it all just sat in my stomach. I didn't hold back on the meat or fat or good oils.

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on February 18, 2014
at 10:20 PM

as I said, I'm not entirely sure what my eating will look like once my metabolism is reset. :-) I would have been saying the same thing you're saying a few weeks ago.

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on February 18, 2014
at 10:14 PM

Are you sure you're not just eating too few calories? It could just be as simple as that (and hopefully it is).

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on February 18, 2014
at 09:56 PM

Gluten, seed oils and excess sugars are going to be a hindrance on your effort to "fix this". Adding pizzas and pastas are not going to help, period.

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on February 18, 2014
at 09:56 PM

yeah, I think most people do very well for a period of time.

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on February 18, 2014
at 09:44 PM

interesting. the only issue i have that has not gotten better on Paleo (has gotten worse) is the temperature.

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on February 18, 2014
at 09:19 PM

After my metabolism is reset, I'm not entirely sure what my eating style will look like, but it's not going to be obsessive or restrictive. I've got to fix this from the ground up (or brain down). :-) Food is a gift!

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on February 18, 2014
at 09:13 PM

Thanks! You're a good person. :-)

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on February 18, 2014
at 09:13 PM

part 2: someone here mentioned Matt Stone's book Eat For Heat last week. I read it that same day and began eating whatever the hell I wanted for the first time in forever. Too little space here to explain his system, but I feel AMAZING. Warm feet, good mood, digestion working, sex drive, appetite, energy...

He's scorned by the paleo faithful, but for me he was on the money. He explains the blood sugar/insulin stuff to my satisfaction. I'm resetting my metabolism, basically. Done starving my body. Woo!

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on February 18, 2014
at 09:09 PM

I've gone through hyperthyroidism and hypothyroidism and been trying to overcome adrenal fatigue. I'm really a fan of mineral balancing. I avoided meat for a long time so when I first started Paleo I was like Eureka! This is it!

But I have gained SO MUCH WEIGHT on Paleo. I crossed the pound number I swore I'd never cross, and kept going. I blamed myself for not being strict enough. But since then I have read similar stories from people who were hard-core perfect paleos. Grass-fed, local, you name it.

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on February 18, 2014
at 08:52 PM

No, Paleo doesn't do that. The problem was already there, but was masked because of the high carb consumption was sustaining the thyroid from showing its true colors. When the carbs went bye-bye, the problem (that was always there), appeared. Same thing happened to me.

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Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

on February 19, 2014
at 12:01 PM

Sounds good. I think I can dunerstand a bit where you are coming from, having reintroduced dairy recently and cultivating a different mentality than had in the past... Experimenting is still fun though, it just won't be so much like try play soccer without realy any carbs (done that already...! (I must say that warmed, spiced milk post workout is great...)

I don't see why you 'need to delete youself'... There might be some dogmatism promoted on this site sometimes, people stridently giving their opinion on the way™ to do things, but for me this is not need to spur you to not continue being in community with the people you enjoy intereacting with... To delete/withdraw due to some dietary liberalisation is absurd to me... Who says eating pizza can't be 'healthy'...? Health is many things to many people... I glad you have willingness to consider different points of view, and make up your mind...

Maybe if you 'can't call youself paleo' (who is arbitting...?), this might invite some critical thinking about the meaning of definiing. Was 'paleo' man, woman etc very stringent in theri approach, never being willing to be flexible, enjoy the honey pot...? Maybe the honey pot is always around in soem settings these days, but this is no reason not to enjoy some well made pizza occasionally, if you can and are willing, no...? If paleo is about wrapping up in cotton wool, and trying to live the longest/with least problems manifesting from food consumption, count me out... Hell, I don't need or want any label anyway...Most here I can think have braodly similar aspiration in pursuing 'health', and in many respects that relates to mental and bodily wellbeing... I suspect sometimes mental wellbeing is subrodiante and physcial can then follow, with isolation of food molecules and nutrition as being influential factors (rather than being part of a big picture) happening here sometimes...

Good luck with 'refeeding' Beth :)I hope things go well for you. In my book call yourself what you want. I will not say you aren't 'paleo' for seeking your health... While even 'paleo' people probably didn't care so much about health as many do today, I still think that caring and consdieration is what makes a lot of people on this board and other 'non'paleo' borads similar... What is more primitive/primal/paleo than self preservation and caring for those around you...? :)

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on February 19, 2014
at 12:17 PM

your comment made me happy this morning--thank you!

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on February 18, 2014
at 08:51 PM

Beth, I had the same problem when I went Paleo-ketogenic. I had the exact symptoms as you did. Cold and shivering in the middle of a hot summer. However, this was not the case anymore when I simply started eating more carbs, up to 120-130 gr of net carbs per day. You don't have to bid adieu to paleo to have a version of the diet that works for you. Chris Kresser has said many times that some people need more carbs, or they go into hibernation (due to their Reverse T3 going berserk -- there's no way to fix this, getting more T3 is not the right solution). The only thing you can do, is add more carbs AND go out in the sun more. However, that does NOT mean that you should start eating gluten again! Or seed oils. Or processed foods.

Simply add some more tubers, maybe some white rice or quinoa, maybe some dairy if you can tolerate it, and properly prepared legumes. But, still, don't go for gluten, or seed oils, or too much sugar. These are the big-3 in terms of bad health. Everything else, is a "yes, but" kind of a deal, under the right circumstances.

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on February 18, 2014
at 09:19 PM

After my metabolism is reset, I'm not entirely sure what my eating style will look like, but it's not going to be obsessive or restrictive. I've got to fix this from the ground up (or brain down). :-) Food is a gift!

8b9c2dcd3dfc929a0428d3d6dac4918e

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on February 19, 2014
at 01:13 PM

Indeed, sounds like a too low carb thing. I personally eat primal, moderate carb, and have occasional cheat days, where I eat pizza or similar. So far as I am concerned, its high regular intake of wheat, oils, sugars, very high carbs that is the issue. So long as you are more moderate that most people with such foods, they won't kill ya. Anti-nutrients especially work on volume. In small amounts some of them can be quite positive.

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on February 18, 2014
at 08:45 PM

did Paleo cause your adrenals harm? I'd love to hear more of your story, i suffer from some of the things you've listed

Eb87941a669017dfb288d296cc672130

on February 18, 2014
at 10:14 PM

Are you sure you're not just eating too few calories? It could just be as simple as that (and hopefully it is).

A6b7afacdb512b861716bca9e9226ad3

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on February 18, 2014
at 09:13 PM

part 2: someone here mentioned Matt Stone's book Eat For Heat last week. I read it that same day and began eating whatever the hell I wanted for the first time in forever. Too little space here to explain his system, but I feel AMAZING. Warm feet, good mood, digestion working, sex drive, appetite, energy...

He's scorned by the paleo faithful, but for me he was on the money. He explains the blood sugar/insulin stuff to my satisfaction. I'm resetting my metabolism, basically. Done starving my body. Woo!

3eca93d2e56dfcd768197dc5a50944f2

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on February 18, 2014
at 08:52 PM

No, Paleo doesn't do that. The problem was already there, but was masked because of the high carb consumption was sustaining the thyroid from showing its true colors. When the carbs went bye-bye, the problem (that was always there), appeared. Same thing happened to me.

A6b7afacdb512b861716bca9e9226ad3

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on February 18, 2014
at 09:09 PM

I've gone through hyperthyroidism and hypothyroidism and been trying to overcome adrenal fatigue. I'm really a fan of mineral balancing. I avoided meat for a long time so when I first started Paleo I was like Eureka! This is it!

But I have gained SO MUCH WEIGHT on Paleo. I crossed the pound number I swore I'd never cross, and kept going. I blamed myself for not being strict enough. But since then I have read similar stories from people who were hard-core perfect paleos. Grass-fed, local, you name it.

(cont'd next comment)

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on February 18, 2014
at 08:46 PM

I applaud you for your sincerity and honesty. I wish you well and hope you enjoy the freedom of being able to eat the foods that you love. Eating delicious food is quite a pleasure and I completely understand and applaud your choice. Although some of us choose differently (mostly for health reasons), it doesn't make your stance any less valid.

A6b7afacdb512b861716bca9e9226ad3

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on February 18, 2014
at 09:13 PM

Thanks! You're a good person. :-)

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